Coronavirus Outbreak

[cochise]

**What Mike refers to as "vaccine apartheid," will not last forever**. I know Dwight doesn't actually fit into that category as he is jabbed, but it won't be forever. Businesses who might be fully vaccinated might not want to close off their business to unvaccinated individuals. It looks as though people who are going to be eligible but remain unvaxxed by choice are going to represent a small fraction of the population anyway, it would make no sense to keep those people locked up forever once everyone else is vaccinated. Those people will probably get COVID eventually, they'll survive and have immunity or they'll die. That will be the reality for them.

I’m not actually convinced of that. Some businesses and people would like this to be permanent.

I am not against businesses making that decision for themselves, if I am a business owner and I wanted to make it mandatory that employees or customers are vaccinated I should be able to do that. Some businesses it should already be mandatory like aged care.

It won't be through a government mandate forever though. They'll eventually relax the rules and leave it to businesses to choose as they please.

Will the unvaccinated be able to take public transport, go to their local coffee shop or pub, go to the post office, to sporting events? This is a very dangerous path we are heading down.

Probably not at first. Once everyone who can be vaccinated is, I see no reason to not allow unvaccinated people to do those things also. The people who want to be vaccinated against this disease should have every right to do so and not be put at risk by those whom wish not to do so. Once they are jabbed, they're no longer at any risk of becoming severely ill from it.

On the other hand, if unvaccinated people are allowed to do all these things but certain businesses wish to police it, do you oppose that?

Absolutely I would be opposed to it. Where does it end, are the unvaccinated not allowed into the health system?

I understand that certain occupations require vaccination, health care workers and age care workers come to mind, but disallowing someone access to a business or government agency because of their vaccination status is Vaccine Apartheid.

So what happens to the unfortunate people who can not receive the vaccine. Are you are happy for them to be at risk?

I would encourage all that can be vaccinated do so. Always have and always will. However I will not discriminate against those who are not.

So you are ok for those that can't be to have to isolate indefinitely, while those that have a choice get to go about their lives?

I'd prefer to protect the vulnerable.

 

[Harvey]

Good to see the daily press conferences are stopping. It is so inconvenient when cold, hard facts get in the way of a narrative.

 

[mike]

**What Mike refers to as "vaccine apartheid," will not last forever**. I know Dwight doesn't actually fit into that category as he is jabbed, but it won't be forever. Businesses who might be fully vaccinated might not want to close off their business to unvaccinated individuals. It looks as though people who are going to be eligible but remain unvaxxed by choice are going to represent a small fraction of the population anyway, it would make no sense to keep those people locked up forever once everyone else is vaccinated. Those people will probably get COVID eventually, they'll survive and have immunity or they'll die. That will be the reality for them.

I’m not actually convinced of that. Some businesses and people would like this to be permanent.

I am not against businesses making that decision for themselves, if I am a business owner and I wanted to make it mandatory that employees or customers are vaccinated I should be able to do that. Some businesses it should already be mandatory like aged care.

It won't be through a government mandate forever though. They'll eventually relax the rules and leave it to businesses to choose as they please.

Will the unvaccinated be able to take public transport, go to their local coffee shop or pub, go to the post office, to sporting events? This is a very dangerous path we are heading down.

Probably not at first. Once everyone who can be vaccinated is, I see no reason to not allow unvaccinated people to do those things also. The people who want to be vaccinated against this disease should have every right to do so and not be put at risk by those whom wish not to do so. Once they are jabbed, they're no longer at any risk of becoming severely ill from it.

On the other hand, if unvaccinated people are allowed to do all these things but certain businesses wish to police it, do you oppose that?

Absolutely I would be opposed to it. Where does it end, are the unvaccinated not allowed into the health system?

I understand that certain occupations require vaccination, health care workers and age care workers come to mind, but disallowing someone access to a business or government agency because of their vaccination status is Vaccine Apartheid.

So what happens to the unfortunate people who can not receive the vaccine. Are you are happy for them to be at risk?

I would encourage all that can be vaccinated do so. Always have and always will. However I will not discriminate against those who are not.

We do already. Your kids can't go to preschool/school unless they are jabbed. You have to be vaccinated for certain diseases in aged care. Why is it only a problem now? Is it the scope you have an issue with?

Absolutely it is the scope. It’s a problem now because there has never been, in Australia, this level of discrimination. While the unvaccinated child may not be allowed into preschool/school there is no other limitation placed on their movements or interaction with society.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Good to see the daily press conferences are stopping. It is so inconvenient when cold, hard facts get in the way of a narrative.

Wests Tigers Forum? was my reaction when I read this and popped on the TV to check before replying.

We are about to head into that which Gladys herself had stated are going to be worsening conditions and we are going to get a video presentation from health, what the actual!

So basically we are going to in the main get Stokes' media or Ray Hadley like interviews, no accountability in parliament for more than yet another month and press conferences when her vaccination numbers are good.

 

[Tiger5150]

Good to see the daily press conferences are stopping. It is so inconvenient when cold, hard facts get in the way of a narrative.

Wests Tigers Forum? was my reaction when I read this and popped on the TV to check before replying.

We are about to head into that which Gladys herself had stated are going to be worsening conditions and we are going to get a video presentation from health, what the actual!

So basically we are going to in the main get Stokes' media or Ray Hadley like interviews, no accountability in parliament for more than yet another month and press conferences when her vaccination numbers are good.

I think that Gladys pulling back was always going to happen and should happen because we need to shift peoples paradigm about this disease to a "living with it" paradigm which is not conducive to daily reports of cases. To use the obvious example, in previous years we had large case numbers of influenza and average daily deaths of 3 a day but didnt have daily press conferences about it.

I do also think that Gladys has pulled the pin early. I cant understand the rationale of stopping before opening up and reaching vaccine targets.

 

[Tiger5150]

Im off to get my arm pumped full of 5G. I expect to be able to post here with my mind shortly.

 

[mike]

Im off to get my arm pumped full of 5G. I expect to be able to post here with my mind shortly.

Your internet connectivity will be awesome. lol

 

[cochise]

Good to see the daily press conferences are stopping. It is so inconvenient when cold, hard facts get in the way of a narrative.

Wests Tigers Forum? was my reaction when I read this and popped on the TV to check before replying.

We are about to head into that which Gladys herself had stated are going to be worsening conditions and we are going to get a video presentation from health, what the actual!

So basically we are going to in the main get Stokes' media or Ray Hadley like interviews, no accountability in parliament for more than yet another month and press conferences when her vaccination numbers are good.

I think that Gladys pulling back was always going to happen and should happen because we need to shift peoples paradigm about this disease to a "living with it" paradigm which is not conducive to daily reports of cases. To use the obvious example, in previous years we had large case numbers of influenza and average daily deaths of 3 a day but didnt have daily press conferences about it.

I do also think that Gladys has pulled the pin early. I cant understand the rationale of stopping before opening up and reaching vaccine targets.

I think they should have continued until opening up as well.

 

[mikey]

Good to see the daily press conferences are stopping. It is so inconvenient when cold, hard facts get in the way of a narrative.

Wests Tigers Forum? was my reaction when I read this and popped on the TV to check before replying.

We are about to head into that which Gladys herself had stated are going to be worsening conditions and we are going to get a video presentation from health, what the actual!

So basically we are going to in the main get Stokes' media or Ray Hadley like interviews, no accountability in parliament for more than yet another month and press conferences when her vaccination numbers are good.

I think that Gladys pulling back was always going to happen and should happen because we need to shift peoples paradigm about this disease to a "living with it" paradigm which is not conducive to daily reports of cases. To use the obvious example, in previous years we had large case numbers of influenza and average daily deaths of 3 a day but didnt have daily press conferences about it.

I do also think that Gladys has pulled the pin early. I cant understand the rationale of stopping before opening up and reaching vaccine targets.

I think they should have continued until opening up as well.

No gumption like Andrews who turns up every day no matter how bad it is.

 

[Snake]

Good to see the daily press conferences are stopping. It is so inconvenient when cold, hard facts get in the way of a narrative.

Wests Tigers Forum? was my reaction when I read this and popped on the TV to check before replying.

We are about to head into that which Gladys herself had stated are going to be worsening conditions and we are going to get a video presentation from health, what the actual!

So basically we are going to in the main get Stokes' media or Ray Hadley like interviews, no accountability in parliament for more than yet another month and press conferences when her vaccination numbers are good.

I think that Gladys pulling back was always going to happen and should happen because we need to shift peoples paradigm about this disease to a "living with it" paradigm which is not conducive to daily reports of cases. To use the obvious example, in previous years we had large case numbers of influenza and average daily deaths of 3 a day but didnt have daily press conferences about it.

I do also think that Gladys has pulled the pin early. I cant understand the rationale of stopping before opening up and reaching vaccine targets.

I think they should have continued until opening up as well.

Theres no point in continuing with these daily diatribes … the Doctors can explain the cases/ deaths etc .
Every day it’s the same areas ands suburbs of the metro area that refuse to acknowledge that there is a problem and are spreading the virus through there community. The Premier has gotten through to the majority and the majority are responding no need for her to be there everyday from now on , she still is having daily press conferences where explanations of what is coming and what will be happening when the opening occurs.
The line has been drawn in 6 weeks the shackles in part come off , Delta will sought out the rest .
The government need to ready for what is coming as it is going to get ugly !

 

[mikey]

**What Mike refers to as "vaccine apartheid," will not last forever**. I know Dwight doesn't actually fit into that category as he is jabbed, but it won't be forever. Businesses who might be fully vaccinated might not want to close off their business to unvaccinated individuals. It looks as though people who are going to be eligible but remain unvaxxed by choice are going to represent a small fraction of the population anyway, it would make no sense to keep those people locked up forever once everyone else is vaccinated. Those people will probably get COVID eventually, they'll survive and have immunity or they'll die. That will be the reality for them.

I’m not actually convinced of that. Some businesses and people would like this to be permanent.

I am not against businesses making that decision for themselves, if I am a business owner and I wanted to make it mandatory that employees or customers are vaccinated I should be able to do that. Some businesses it should already be mandatory like aged care.

It won't be through a government mandate forever though. They'll eventually relax the rules and leave it to businesses to choose as they please.

Will the unvaccinated be able to take public transport, go to their local coffee shop or pub, go to the post office, to sporting events? This is a very dangerous path we are heading down.

Probably not at first. Once everyone who can be vaccinated is, I see no reason to not allow unvaccinated people to do those things also. The people who want to be vaccinated against this disease should have every right to do so and not be put at risk by those whom wish not to do so. Once they are jabbed, they're no longer at any risk of becoming severely ill from it.

On the other hand, if unvaccinated people are allowed to do all these things but certain businesses wish to police it, do you oppose that?

Absolutely I would be opposed to it. Where does it end, are the unvaccinated not allowed into the health system?

I understand that certain occupations require vaccination, health care workers and age care workers come to mind, but disallowing someone access to a business or government agency because of their vaccination status is Vaccine Apartheid.

So what happens to the unfortunate people who can not receive the vaccine. Are you are happy for them to be at risk?

I would encourage all that can be vaccinated do so. Always have and always will. However I will not discriminate against those who are not.

This is such a difficult question - when does greater good override individual choice?
People will have the choice to not be vaccinated and rightly so but others need to be protected from the potential of the non-vaccinated harming them.
When it comes to people working in 'essential', 'care' or hospitality/ customer service roles where they are in contact with greater numbers of people on a day to day basis, I think greater good overrides individual freedom as the risk to both the worker and those they come in contact with is much greater.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Good to see the daily press conferences are stopping. It is so inconvenient when cold, hard facts get in the way of a narrative.

Wests Tigers Forum? was my reaction when I read this and popped on the TV to check before replying.

We are about to head into that which Gladys herself had stated are going to be worsening conditions and we are going to get a video presentation from health, what the actual!

So basically we are going to in the main get Stokes' media or Ray Hadley like interviews, no accountability in parliament for more than yet another month and press conferences when her vaccination numbers are good.

I think that Gladys pulling back was always going to happen and should happen because we need to shift peoples paradigm about this disease to a "living with it" paradigm which is not conducive to daily reports of cases. To use the obvious example, in previous years we had large case numbers of influenza and average daily deaths of 3 a day but didnt have daily press conferences about it.

I do also think that Gladys has pulled the pin early. I cant understand the rationale of stopping before opening up and reaching vaccine targets.

I think they should have continued until opening up as well.

No gumption like Andrews who turns up every day no matter how bad it is.

Generally agree as Andrews has always been much more accommodating and informative, having turned up each and every relevant day last year.

Whilst the first of above remains, to be fair, he has not fronted for many more days than Gladys has this time around. Still, she shouldn't be stopping her pressers until we are at least past this current hump. Everyone deserves some social or family life, even the PM flying up for father's day on the public purse, though he needed to be honest about it, rather than trying to hide behind an old photograph.

 

[mikey]

Can't disagree that they do need downtime. With Gladys it's the timing - NSW is about to get uglier - and it just makes it like she is running away from having to face up to the poor decisions and reality. The Liberals at both state and federal levels are making fup after fup. (And I'm not saying Labor would have done better.)

 

[jadtiger]

Good to see the daily press conferences are stopping. It is so inconvenient when cold, hard facts get in the way of a narrative.

Wests Tigers Forum? was my reaction when I read this and popped on the TV to check before replying.

We are about to head into that which Gladys herself had stated are going to be worsening conditions and we are going to get a video presentation from health, what the actual!

So basically we are going to in the main get Stokes' media or Ray Hadley like interviews, no accountability in parliament for more than yet another month and press conferences when her vaccination numbers are good.

I think that Gladys pulling back was always going to happen and should happen because we need to shift peoples paradigm about this disease to a "living with it" paradigm which is not conducive to daily reports of cases. To use the obvious example, in previous years we had large case numbers of influenza and average daily deaths of 3 a day but didnt have daily press conferences about it.

I do also think that Gladys has pulled the pin early. I cant understand the rationale of stopping before opening up and reaching vaccine targets.

I think they should have continued until opening up as well.

No gumption like Andrews who turns up every day no matter how bad it is.

Generally agree as Andrews has always been much more accommodating and informative, having turned up each and every relevant day last year.

Whilst the first of above remains, to be fair, he has not fronted for many more days than Gladys has this time around. Still, she shouldn't be stopping her pressers until we are at least past this current hump. Everyone deserves some social or family life, even the PM flying up for father's day on the public purse, though he needed to be honest about it, rather than trying to hide behind an old photograph.

Our current PM and honesty should rarely be used in the same sentence.I probably just wrote one of the few that it applies to

 

[Tim Sheens]

Can't disagree that they do need downtime. With Gladys it's the timing - NSW is about to get uglier - and it just makes it like she is running away from having to face up to the poor decisions and reality. The Liberals at both state and federal levels are making fup after fup. (And I'm not saying Labor would have done better.)

Okay, but I happily will, as I am 99% plus sure of it and there is enough out there on the public record throughout this pandemic to show such confidence.

Our federation of states almost certainly saved us from disaster and expecting that most leaders will continue to play a vital role in protecting their number in the coming weeks and months, including Liberals in Marshall and Gutwein.

As long suffering WT fans we have endured a decade of finals' drought, but thanks to borders and sharp lockdowns we get to watch footy tonight and likely right through to the grand final, as do fans of other major sports.

 

[TigerTone]

First they went away from puting up the locations
that have or have had infections , like shops etc in syd metro areas,
now theyre pulling out of the daily reporting.
What a load of crap this is.

 

[tiger_one]

First they went away from puting up the locations
that have or have had infections , like shops etc in syd metro areas,
now theyre pulling out of the daily reporting.
What a load of crap this is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0k5DQ92kqk

 

[Tiger5150]

**What Mike refers to as "vaccine apartheid," will not last forever**. I know Dwight doesn't actually fit into that category as he is jabbed, but it won't be forever. Businesses who might be fully vaccinated might not want to close off their business to unvaccinated individuals. It looks as though people who are going to be eligible but remain unvaxxed by choice are going to represent a small fraction of the population anyway, it would make no sense to keep those people locked up forever once everyone else is vaccinated. Those people will probably get COVID eventually, they'll survive and have immunity or they'll die. That will be the reality for them.

I’m not actually convinced of that. Some businesses and people would like this to be permanent.

I am not against businesses making that decision for themselves, if I am a business owner and I wanted to make it mandatory that employees or customers are vaccinated I should be able to do that. Some businesses it should already be mandatory like aged care.

It won't be through a government mandate forever though. They'll eventually relax the rules and leave it to businesses to choose as they please.

Will the unvaccinated be able to take public transport, go to their local coffee shop or pub, go to the post office, to sporting events? This is a very dangerous path we are heading down.

Probably not at first. Once everyone who can be vaccinated is, I see no reason to not allow unvaccinated people to do those things also. The people who want to be vaccinated against this disease should have every right to do so and not be put at risk by those whom wish not to do so. Once they are jabbed, they're no longer at any risk of becoming severely ill from it.

On the other hand, if unvaccinated people are allowed to do all these things but certain businesses wish to police it, do you oppose that?

Absolutely I would be opposed to it. Where does it end, are the unvaccinated not allowed into the health system?

I understand that certain occupations require vaccination, health care workers and age care workers come to mind, but disallowing someone access to a business or government agency because of their vaccination status is Vaccine Apartheid.

So what happens to the unfortunate people who can not receive the vaccine. Are you are happy for them to be at risk?

I would encourage all that can be vaccinated do so. Always have and always will. However I will not discriminate against those who are not.

This is such a difficult question - when does greater good override individual choice?
People will have the choice to not be vaccinated and rightly so but others need to be protected from the potential of the non-vaccinated harming them.
When it comes to people working in 'essential', 'care' or hospitality/ customer service roles where they are in contact with greater numbers of people on a day to day basis, I think greater good overrides individual freedom as the risk to both the worker and those they come in contact with is much greater.

I think Delta has cahnged things significantly. With the original virus and even Alpha, the Vaccines had 94% and 80somehting % efficacy. With that knowledge I think you could just open the doors, let everyone live like normal, mix vaxxed and unvaxxed and the unvaxxed have made their choice (except for the very small numbers who cant get vaxxed).

Trouble is that AZ has only 67% efficacy against Delta and Pfizer is down to 88% which means significant numbers of vaxxed people are going to catch it and that has implications.

 

[mikey]

Can't disagree that they do need downtime. With Gladys it's the timing - NSW is about to get uglier - and it just makes it like she is running away from having to face up to the poor decisions and reality. The Liberals at both state and federal levels are making fup after fup. (And I'm not saying Labor would have done better.)

Okay, but I happily will, as I am 99% plus sure of it and there is enough out there on the public record throughout this pandemic to show such confidence.

Our federation of states almost certainly saved us from disaster and expecting that most leaders will continue to play a vital role in protecting their number in the coming weeks and months, including Liberals in Marshall and Gutwein.

As long suffering WT fans we have endured a decade of finals' drought, but thanks to borders and sharp lockdowns we get to watch footy tonight and likely right through to the grand final, as do fans of other major sports.

To clarify, I meant at Federal level not state. Most states are doing better job than this clusterf of a state.

 

[Geo]

What to do with my 11am's now..