Coronavirus Outbreak

[Tiger5150]

Re Australia having a higher vaccination rate than Israel. I guess that depends on whether you have faith in the figures being stated by the various State Governments in Australia. I don't.

Serious question, what would be the incentive to quote higher than actual vaccination rates? I would have thought in order to encourage vaccination the opposite would be more beneficial?

 

[nuggetron]

However, I do note that the Federal Health Minister, Greg Hunt, has just ordered another 150million doses of Covid vaccines. Really? 6 more doses for every man, woman and child in Australia? Better start rolling up your sleeves guys and gals.

2.5 million needing the 2nd dose
18/25.6 million will then be fully vaxxed
so thats 2.5+7.6+7.6 + the need for another booster 25.6 and then there's the high probability it will be signed off for kids sooner rather than later
plus probably purchasing some for the poorer nations surrounding us that we frequently travel to, help them get their vax rates up reducing the risk of travelling there

 

[swag_tiger]

People still believe that the vaccine kills your white blood cells. Seems some people don't want to let facts get in the way of a good story.

 

[Tiger5150]

FWIW my son came out with a horrible rash all over his body, about a week after his second shot. Ugly, itchy and painful, swollen lips. Cant sleep. Went to the Doctor who misdiagnosed it and it has gotten worse and sent him to a specialist dermatologist. He just got back from the specialist. The first question the dermatologist asked him was how long since you had the covid vaccination. The specialist told my son that it is an immune reaction to the vax. He will be fine and will recover with the right treatment, but nasty.

 

[hank37w]

Singapore is getting bad too I hear and most of them are vaxxed

Unbelievably high population density.

We need to put Singapore into perspective as well. They are doing better than us and we've done exceptionally well. I like to use the counter example of Florida.

Deaths per million population:-

Florida:- 2,744
Australia:- 66
Singapore:- 59

Guess who has the most freedoms and lowest vaccination rates. You have to show me data like that in reverse to provide a rational argument that vaccines and restrictions don't work.

Another way of looking at Florida's figures is that Australia's greatest killer is heart disease and a reasonable estimate per year of deaths from heart disease is about 18k people per year. Florida have had over 58k deaths from COVID. Florida has less people than Australia.

If you're talking about America, Australia is rated higher on the human freedom index.

I'm not surprised. I would state America has major problems in relation to their rights/freedoms.

But as long as they can carry a gun ....all is good

2nd shot today ...

Of a gun or a vaccine?

 

[Geo]

Can I still buy a PIE...

 

[jadtiger]

FWIW my son came out with a horrible rash all over his body, about a week after his second shot. Ugly, itchy and painful, swollen lips. Cant sleep. Went to the Doctor who misdiagnosed it and it has gotten worse and sent him to a specialist dermatologist. He just got back from the specialist. The first question the dermatologist asked him was how long since you had the covid vaccination. The specialist told my son that it is an immune reaction to the vax. He will be fine and will recover with the right treatment, but nasty.

Which shot did he have?

 

[yeti]

Re Australia having a higher vaccination rate than Israel. I guess that depends on whether you have faith in the figures being stated by the various State Governments in Australia. I don't.

Serious question, what would be the incentive to quote higher than actual vaccination rates? I would have thought in order to encourage vaccination the opposite would be more beneficial?

This is a serious answer. There is incredible 'pressure'/coercion, whatever you want to call it, to get the jab. If people believe they are on their own, that they are the only ones with a "no to this jab" stand, then there is even more pressure to 'cave in'. On the other hand, if one was part of a large minority, it's much easier to stand your ground.
The censorship, the coercion, the continual rhetoric and narrative we are bombarded with, (if you only listen to MSM), is nothing more or less than psychological warfare.

 

[swag_tiger]

Re Australia having a higher vaccination rate than Israel. I guess that depends on whether you have faith in the figures being stated by the various State Governments in Australia. I don't.

Serious question, what would be the incentive to quote higher than actual vaccination rates? I would have thought in order to encourage vaccination the opposite would be more beneficial?

This is a serious answer. There is incredible 'pressure'/coercion, whatever you want to call it, to get the jab. If people believe they are on their own, that they are the only ones with a "no to this jab" stand, then there is even more pressure to 'cave in'. On the other hand, if one was part of a large minority, it's much easier to stand your ground.
The censorship, the coercion, the continual rhetoric and narrative we are bombarded with, (if you only listen to MSM), is nothing more or less than psychological warfare.

So what do you believe the actual percentage of people vaccinated is?

 

[Tiger5150]

FWIW my son came out with a horrible rash all over his body, about a week after his second shot. Ugly, itchy and painful, swollen lips. Cant sleep. Went to the Doctor who misdiagnosed it and it has gotten worse and sent him to a specialist dermatologist. He just got back from the specialist. The first question the dermatologist asked him was how long since you had the covid vaccination. The specialist told my son that it is an immune reaction to the vax. He will be fine and will recover with the right treatment, but nasty.


Which shot did he have?

AZ although the medical advice is that any vaccine (even non Covid) are known triggers for it.

 

[earl]

Re Australia having a higher vaccination rate than Israel. I guess that depends on whether you have faith in the figures being stated by the various State Governments in Australia. I don't.

Serious question, what would be the incentive to quote higher than actual vaccination rates? I would have thought in order to encourage vaccination the opposite would be more beneficial?

This is a serious answer. There is incredible 'pressure'/coercion, whatever you want to call it, to get the jab. If people believe they are on their own, that they are the only ones with a "no to this jab" stand, then there is even more pressure to 'cave in'. On the other hand, if one was part of a large minority, it's much easier to stand your ground.
The censorship, the coercion, the continual rhetoric and narrative we are bombarded with, (if you only listen to MSM), is nothing more or less than psychological warfare.

Here is the thing there is pressure because it saves lives which should be a really important goal of anyone trying to represent society. It also leads to considerably less pressure on the health care system.

As for the censorship like I said earlier I require a really high burden of proof. I rely on high quality peer reviewed research. There is a lot of misinformation out there. Shouldn't we have high standards rather than low standards.

Invermectin is a classic example. There is peer reviewed science out there but it's really low quality studies. It's terrible. People have been misled to believe that it's a good drug for treating COVID when it's not.

I think you and others are making it about something that it isn't. To me it's a scientific issue based on data in relation to should you take the vaccine and the answer to me is clear cut. It appears to me that the people like yourself who are anti COVID vaccines are making it a political issue when it shouldn't be.

I should add the misinformation has killed a lot of people and it will kill a lot more people.

 

[earl]

Singapore is getting bad too I hear and most of them are vaxxed

Unbelievably high population density.

We need to put Singapore into perspective as well. They are doing better than us and we've done exceptionally well. I like to use the counter example of Florida.

Deaths per million population:-

Florida:- 2,744
Australia:- 66
Singapore:- 59

Guess who has the most freedoms and lowest vaccination rates. You have to show me data like that in reverse to provide a rational argument that vaccines and restrictions don't work.

Another way of looking at Florida's figures is that Australia's greatest killer is heart disease and a reasonable estimate per year of deaths from heart disease is about 18k people per year. Florida have had over 58k deaths from COVID. Florida has less people than Australia.

If you're talking about America, Australia is rated higher on the human freedom index.

I'm not surprised. I would state America has major problems in relation to their rights/freedoms.

Not if you ask them...Jim Jeffries stand up piece on freedom sums it up well.

I haven't seen this. I'll have a look. It's interesting how we define freedom though. I think a whole bunch of people in America like Happy states believe gun ownership is freedom. Democracy doesn't matter. America is nuts.

Go to Youtube and search Jim Jeffries Freedumb - I won't post the link here as it's once of those NSFW due to the language.

I watched this. It's good.

 

[yeti]

Re Australia having a higher vaccination rate than Israel. I guess that depends on whether you have faith in the figures being stated by the various State Governments in Australia. I don't.

Serious question, what would be the incentive to quote higher than actual vaccination rates? I would have thought in order to encourage vaccination the opposite would be more beneficial?

This is a serious answer. There is incredible 'pressure'/coercion, whatever you want to call it, to get the jab. If people believe they are on their own, that they are the only ones with a "no to this jab" stand, then there is even more pressure to 'cave in'. On the other hand, if one was part of a large minority, it's much easier to stand your ground.
The censorship, the coercion, the continual rhetoric and narrative we are bombarded with, (if you only listen to MSM), is nothing more or less than psychological warfare.

So what do you believe the actual percentage of people vaccinated is?

I really don't know. Guessing, and that is all it is, with input from others I listen to, I reckon 60% over all.

 

[jadtiger]

FWIW my son came out with a horrible rash all over his body, about a week after his second shot. Ugly, itchy and painful, swollen lips. Cant sleep. Went to the Doctor who misdiagnosed it and it has gotten worse and sent him to a specialist dermatologist. He just got back from the specialist. The first question the dermatologist asked him was how long since you had the covid vaccination. The specialist told my son that it is an immune reaction to the vax. He will be fine and will recover with the right treatment, but nasty.


Which shot did he have?

AZ although the medical advice is that any vaccine (even non Covid) are known triggers for it.

During the last 8 years i have become allergic to 2 of 3 antibiotic types and can now only have the clyndamiacine variety.The last time i had penicillin i came out in a terrible itchy rash overnight and when i saw the doctor he called an ambulance and i was put in hospital overnight with dangerously low blood pressure.I have a lot of empathy for your son as it is scary when it happens to you

 

[earl]

I really don’t know. Guessing, and that is all it is, with input from others I listen to, I reckon 60% over all.

Mate why not just use the official data. How could you possibly get better data ?

Interestingly I just read that NSW are considering not opening up to unvaccinated until we get to 95% double dosed. I am really pro that decision. I'd also add a health care tax to any unvaccinated people.

It's not personal. I don't really care if individual people don't get vaccinated. It's their call. It's a really poor decision for society though and to me they should have to wear a cost for that.

I'll remain friends with unvaccinated people. I know 2 of them at this point.

To me it's all about the science and the data.

 

[TillLindemann]

I really don’t know. Guessing, and that is all it is, with input from others I listen to, I reckon 60% over all.

Mate why not just use the official data. How could you possibly get better data ?

Interestingly I just read that NSW are considering not opening up to unvaccinated until we get to 95% double dosed. I am really pro that decision. I'd also add a health care tax to any unvaccinated people.

It's not personal. I don't really care if individual people don't get vaccinated. It's their call. It's a really poor decision for society though and to me they should have to wear a cost for that.

I'll remain friends with unvaccinated people. I know 2 of them at this point.

To me it's all about the science and the data.

A health care tax would be a step too far I think, that would be opening pandora's box.

 

[earl]

A health care tax would be a step too far I think, that would be opening pandora’s box.

It's not going to happen and I'm cool with that but I studied economics at uni and my approach to any anti-societal action is to tax the people doing it. You let them do it but you make them pay.

This is actually one of the major ways society manages all sorts of issues.

 

[Eyeofthetiger 0]

A health care tax would be a step too far I think, that would be opening pandora’s box.

It's not going to happen and I'm cool with that but I studied economics at uni and my approach to any anti-societal action is to tax the people doing it. You let them do it but you make them pay.

This is actually one of the major ways society manages all sorts of issues.

I’ll happily pay forever mate rather than put that crap in my body. God gave us an immune system for a reason

 

[Go_You_Good_Things]

I really don’t know. Guessing, and that is all it is, with input from others I listen to, I reckon 60% over all.

Mate why not just use the official data. How could you possibly get better data ?

Interestingly I just read that NSW are considering not opening up to unvaccinated until we get to 95% double dosed. I am really pro that decision. I'd also add a health care tax to any unvaccinated people.

It's not personal. I don't really care if individual people don't get vaccinated. It's their call. It's a really poor decision for society though and to me they should have to wear a cost for that.

I'll remain friends with unvaccinated people. I know 2 of them at this point.

To me it's all about the science and the data.

That health care tax is an interesting concept, Earl.
So if you, or any of your extended family has ever smoked, they should be in line for your tax.
Same if any of them drive a V8 car. ( far more likely to speed)
Or drink any alcohol.
Or partake, or have ever partaken in any drugs.
Or skydive.
Or any have ever driven a car while under the influence.
It is however a credit to you as a person, that you have the decency and empathy towards your fellow man, to remain friends with BOTH your friends who chose not to get vaccinated.

 

[earl]

A health care tax would be a step too far I think, that would be opening pandora’s box.

It's not going to happen and I'm cool with that but I studied economics at uni and my approach to any anti-societal action is to tax the people doing it. You let them do it but you make them pay.

This is actually one of the major ways society manages all sorts of issues.

I’ll happily pay forever mate rather than put that crap in my body. God gave us an immune system for a reason

It won't go on forever. The thing is you'll get it and develop immunity or you'll die. There will be a small percentage who die but it's going to happen predominantly to unvaccinated even with really high vaccination rates.

Most unvaccinated though will be okay. So long as they are only a small percentage of the population society will be fine. It's when there are a lot of them that the health care system gets overwhelmed.