Coronavirus Outbreak

[Tiger5150]

I really don’t know. Guessing, and that is all it is, with input from others I listen to, I reckon 60% over all.

Mate why not just use the official data. How could you possibly get better data ?

Interestingly I just read that NSW are considering not opening up to unvaccinated until we get to 95% double dosed. I am really pro that decision. ***I'd also add a health care tax to any unvaccinated people.***

Earl, in a very recent post you correctly posted that heart disease kills 18k a year. Why not tax fat people?

 

[earl]

I really don’t know. Guessing, and that is all it is, with input from others I listen to, I reckon 60% over all.

Mate why not just use the official data. How could you possibly get better data ?

Interestingly I just read that NSW are considering not opening up to unvaccinated until we get to 95% double dosed. I am really pro that decision. I'd also add a health care tax to any unvaccinated people.

It's not personal. I don't really care if individual people don't get vaccinated. It's their call. It's a really poor decision for society though and to me they should have to wear a cost for that.

I'll remain friends with unvaccinated people. I know 2 of them at this point.

To me it's all about the science and the data.

That health care tax is an interesting concept, Earl.
So if you, or any of your extended family has ever smoked, they should be in line for your tax.
Same if any of them drive a V8 car. ( far more likely to speed)
Or drink any alcohol.
Or partake, or have ever partaken in any drugs.
Or skydive.
Or any have ever driven a car while under the influence.
It is however a credit to you as a person, that you have the decency and empathy towards your fellow man, to remain friends with BOTH your friends who chose not to get vaccinated.

A lot of that stuff is taxed. Your examples to me support my argument and not yours.

I believe recreational drugs should be legal and taxed. Years ago I heard Milton Friedman state the same thing. He is one of the greatest economists in history.

 

[Tiger5150]

Earl:
Invermectin is a classic example. There is peer reviewed science out there but it's really low quality studies. It's terrible. People have been misled to believe that **it's a good drug for treating COVID when it's not**.

Also Earl:

*Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective). Using Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.*

*I don’t think this is the best thing for any country with access to the vaccine. It’s more something that could really help the developing countries who can’t get access to vaccines.*

*This is my policy conclusion from listening to information about this. If someone has better information I’d love to see it.*

https://weststigersforum.com/topic/30513/coronavirus-outbreak/10859

I should add the misinformation has killed a lot of people and it will kill a lot more people.

Doctors all over the world regularly prescribe Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) as a therapeutic for COVID. My friend in Hungary got it in ICU and it probably saved his life. In India they prescribe it as prophylactic purposes. Lets be real about misinformation.

 

[Eyeofthetiger 0]

A health care tax would be a step too far I think, that would be opening pandora’s box.

It's not going to happen and I'm cool with that but I studied economics at uni and my approach to any anti-societal action is to tax the people doing it. You let them do it but you make them pay.

This is actually one of the major ways society manages all sorts of issues.

I’ll happily pay forever mate rather than put that crap in my body. God gave us an immune system for a reason

It won't go on forever. The thing is you'll get it and develop immunity or you'll die. There will be a small percentage who die but it's going to happen predominantly to unvaccinated even with really high vaccination rates.

Most unvaccinated though will be okay. So long as they are only a small percentage of the population society will be fine. It's when there are a lot of them that the health care system gets overwhelmed.

Until COVID mutates and starts killing every second person, I don’t see a need for the vaccine. I know plenty of people that have had COVID and they beat it at home like any other virus. The government then gives you a 6 month exemption from the vaccine once you have had COVID

 

[Eyeofthetiger 0]

Earl:
Invermectin is a classic example. There is peer reviewed science out there but it's really low quality studies. It's terrible. People have been misled to believe that **it's a good drug for treating COVID when it's not**.


Also Earl:

*Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective). Using Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.*

*I don’t think this is the best thing for any country with access to the vaccine. It’s more something that could really help the developing countries who can’t get access to vaccines.*

*This is my policy conclusion from listening to information about this. If someone has better information I’d love to see it.*

https://weststigersforum.com/topic/30513/coronavirus-outbreak/10859

I should add the misinformation has killed a lot of people and it will kill a lot more people.

Doctors all over the world regularly prescribe Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) as a therapeutic for COVID. My friend in Hungary got it in ICU and it probably saved his life. In India they prescribe it as prophylactic purposes. Lets be real about misinformation.

I’m hearing they give to you here once hospitalised with COVID. @Earl believes everything the government tells him lol

 

[Tiger5150]

Earl:
Invermectin is a classic example. There is peer reviewed science out there but it's really low quality studies. It's terrible. People have been misled to believe that **it's a good drug for treating COVID when it's not**.


Also Earl:

*Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective). Using Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.*

*I don’t think this is the best thing for any country with access to the vaccine. It’s more something that could really help the developing countries who can’t get access to vaccines.*

*This is my policy conclusion from listening to information about this. If someone has better information I’d love to see it.*

https://weststigersforum.com/topic/30513/coronavirus-outbreak/10859

I should add the misinformation has killed a lot of people and it will kill a lot more people.

Doctors all over the world regularly prescribe Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) as a therapeutic for COVID. My friend in Hungary got it in ICU and it probably saved his life. In India they prescribe it as prophylactic purposes. Lets be real about misinformation.

I’m hearing they give to you here once hospitalised with COVID. @Earl believes everything the government tells him lol

Im not getting into bagging Earl, but the meta analysis that Earl references here (correctly...its good data) clearly shows that Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) as a therapeutic is VERY efffective in the VERY early stages of COVID and is only slightly better than not taking it by the time you are in ICU. Based on the data, everyone should have it in the kitchen cupboard and as soon you get the +ve result start chucking them down Joe Rogan style.

https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Fulltext/2021/08000/Ivermectin_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.7.aspx

 

[earl]

I really don’t know. Guessing, and that is all it is, with input from others I listen to, I reckon 60% over all.

Mate why not just use the official data. How could you possibly get better data ?

Interestingly I just read that NSW are considering not opening up to unvaccinated until we get to 95% double dosed. I am really pro that decision. ***I'd also add a health care tax to any unvaccinated people.***


Earl, in a very recent post you correctly posted that heart disease kills 18k a year. Why not tax fat people?

Good point but this is harder. Heart disease isn't as simple. Animal products are probably the biggest issue and the easiest to target. I wouldn't tax fat people but I'd tax animal products and junk food for sure.

There appears to be a reaction against this approach but it's used all the time now. It just seems hard to add a tax. Why not an outcry over taxing alcohol or cigarettes ? It's the same argument.

 

[Geo]

This was boring the 1st 2000 times...

 

[Tiger5150]

I really don’t know. Guessing, and that is all it is, with input from others I listen to, I reckon 60% over all.

Mate why not just use the official data. How could you possibly get better data ?

Interestingly I just read that NSW are considering not opening up to unvaccinated until we get to 95% double dosed. I am really pro that decision. ***I'd also add a health care tax to any unvaccinated people.***


Earl, in a very recent post you correctly posted that heart disease kills 18k a year. Why not tax fat people?

Good point but this is harder. Heart disease isn't as simple. Animal products are probably the biggest issue and the easiest to target. I wouldn't tax fat people but I'd tax animal products and junk food for sure.

Is there a safe level of consumption for animal products and junk food ? Is there a safe level of obesity?

 

[earl]

I really don’t know. Guessing, and that is all it is, with input from others I listen to, I reckon 60% over all.

Mate why not just use the official data. How could you possibly get better data ?

Interestingly I just read that NSW are considering not opening up to unvaccinated until we get to 95% double dosed. I am really pro that decision. ***I'd also add a health care tax to any unvaccinated people.***


Earl, in a very recent post you correctly posted that heart disease kills 18k a year. Why not tax fat people?

Good point but this is harder. Heart disease isn't as simple. Animal products are probably the biggest issue and the easiest to target. I wouldn't tax fat people but I'd tax animal products and junk food for sure.

Is there a safe level of consumption for animal products and junk food ? Is there a safe level of obesity?

For sure. Same as alcohol. Same as cigarettes. If you take less levels you get taxed less.

I'm going off line now though. I get the impression that this is going to end poorly. See you later.

 

[earl]

A health care tax would be a step too far I think, that would be opening pandora’s box.

It's not going to happen and I'm cool with that but I studied economics at uni and my approach to any anti-societal action is to tax the people doing it. You let them do it but you make them pay.

This is actually one of the major ways society manages all sorts of issues.

I’ll happily pay forever mate rather than put that crap in my body. God gave us an immune system for a reason

It won't go on forever. The thing is you'll get it and develop immunity or you'll die. There will be a small percentage who die but it's going to happen predominantly to unvaccinated even with really high vaccination rates.

Most unvaccinated though will be okay. So long as they are only a small percentage of the population society will be fine. It's when there are a lot of them that the health care system gets overwhelmed.

Until COVID mutates and starts killing every second person, I don’t see a need for the vaccine. I know plenty of people that have had COVID and they beat it at home like any other virus. The government then gives you a 6 month exemption from the vaccine once you have had COVID

I know a couple of people that have had COVID and they are all alive. It sort of misses the point though. Lot's of people have died. The Florida example shows that it's a massive killer if you don't take it seriously. Significantly worse than Australia's greatest killer which is heart disease.

Plenty of people have also died at home with the same idea that you have.

I'm cool with you not getting vaccinated and I don't want you or anyone else to die. It's just the facts and the data to me.

 

[Pascoes_barber]

Doctors all over the world regularly prescribe Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) as a therapeutic for COVID. My friend in Hungary got it in ICU and it probably saved his life. In India they prescribe it as prophylactic purposes. Lets be real about misinformation.

I’m hearing they give to you here once hospitalised with COVID.

Wrong.

 

[Eyeofthetiger 0]

Doctors all over the world regularly prescribe Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) as a therapeutic for COVID. My friend in Hungary got it in ICU and it probably saved his life. In India they prescribe it as prophylactic purposes. Lets be real about misinformation.

I’m hearing they give to you here once hospitalised with COVID.

Wrong.

You are wrong. I know for a fact

 

[TheDaBoss]

people will take cocaine weed and vape and smoke

A lot of unknowns substances going into your body there..how ever when it comes to taking a vaccine that has been deceloped to keep u healthy and safe and potentially others around u, people rebel... lol how weird

 

[Eyeofthetiger 0]

people will take cocaine weed and vape and smoke

A lot of unknowns substances going into your body there..how ever when it comes to taking a vaccine that has been deceloped to keep u healthy and safe and potentially others around u, people rebel... lol how weird

That’s what the government tells you to believe

 

[TheDaBoss]

people will take cocaine weed and vape and smoke

A lot of unknowns substances going into your body there..how ever when it comes to taking a vaccine that has been deceloped to keep u healthy and safe and potentially others around u, people rebel... lol how weird

That’s what the government tells you to believe

???? here we go with the government

So the earth is flat and 5G is now implanted in my body is it?

 

[Eyeofthetiger 0]

people will take cocaine weed and vape and smoke

A lot of unknowns substances going into your body there..how ever when it comes to taking a vaccine that has been deceloped to keep u healthy and safe and potentially others around u, people rebel... lol how weird

That’s what the government tells you to believe

???? here we go with the government

So the earth is flat and 5G is now implanted in my body is it?

Let’s not be silly son. I’m not here to influence anyone, I have my beliefs. But I also think that you have to think positive in life and not think oh I’m going to get COVID and die tomorrow.

 

[Tiger5150]

I really don’t know. Guessing, and that is all it is, with input from others I listen to, I reckon 60% over all.

Mate why not just use the official data. How could you possibly get better data ?

Interestingly I just read that NSW are considering not opening up to unvaccinated until we get to 95% double dosed. I am really pro that decision. ***I'd also add a health care tax to any unvaccinated people.***


Earl, in a very recent post you correctly posted that heart disease kills 18k a year. Why not tax fat people?

Good point but this is harder. Heart disease isn't as simple. Animal products are probably the biggest issue and the easiest to target. I wouldn't tax fat people but I'd tax animal products and junk food for sure.

Is there a safe level of consumption for animal products and junk food ? Is there a safe level of obesity?

For sure. Same as alcohol. Same as cigarettes. If you take less levels you get taxed less.

Thats the point. There is no safe level of consumption for cigarettes......no worries.

 

[Pascoes_barber]

Doctors all over the world regularly prescribe Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) as a therapeutic for COVID. My friend in Hungary got it in ICU and it probably saved his life. In India they prescribe it as prophylactic purposes. Lets be real about misinformation.

I’m hearing they give to you here once hospitalised with COVID.

Wrong.

You are wrong. I know for a fact

Nope. Not unless you happen to have worms or scabies at the same time.

 

[Tiger5150]

Doctors all over the world regularly prescribe Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) as a therapeutic for COVID. My friend in Hungary got it in ICU and it probably saved his life. In India they prescribe it as prophylactic purposes. Lets be real about misinformation.

I’m hearing they give to you here once hospitalised with COVID.

Wrong.

You are wrong. I know for a fact

Nope. Not unless you happen to have worms or scabies at the same time.

Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) has been established in a number of Meta Analysis, over 64 trials, over 30 CRT, it is prescribed all over the world by Doctors based on scientific evidence, it is used in hospitals all over the world to treat COVID.

To say it isnt a valid treatment and prophylactic option is denying reality and science. It is saying "I know better than the American Journal of Therapeutics". To say it is "rubbish" and "not a good option for treating COVID" as Earl stated (after stating it was good) is flat out dangerous misinformation and flys in the face of science and medical practice.

That will be all I say on the matter.

https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Fulltext/2021/08000/Ivermectin_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.7.aspx
https://ivmmeta.com/