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@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504148) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504141) said:
@nrlsurvivor said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504138) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504120) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504105) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504098) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504068) said:
Is the booster shot mandatory?

For the majority not yet, but I think it’s a safe bet that sometime in the future it will be.

I don't think that is the plan.

@cochise if you catch COVID and beat it, NSW Health give you a 6 month exemption from getting the vaccine in writing. Does that mean then the vaccinated will have to get boosters every 6 months? Is getting COVID and having a natural immunity better than the vaccine and boosters?

The difference is negligible but getting vaccinated is better in reducing risk of death or long term illness… Better to think of a booster as the third dose. When the vaccine was originally released for emergency use we weren’t sure what dosage would be needed as it was too early to tell. Turns out we need 3 and in it is hoped that will be all that is needed for long term immunity. There are other vaccinations that require 3 doses which we receive in childhood (I think hep?). Most require 2. Covid needs 3.

For now. We don’t know if COVID will mutate again and evade the vaccines. Then we start again?

So let's not bother?

@cochise isn’t that what happens though? the virus mutates, the vaccines may become in effective and back to the drawing board. The only defence we have then is our immune system
 
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504149) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504148) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504141) said:
@nrlsurvivor said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504138) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504120) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504105) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504098) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504068) said:
Is the booster shot mandatory?

For the majority not yet, but I think it’s a safe bet that sometime in the future it will be.

I don't think that is the plan.

@cochise if you catch COVID and beat it, NSW Health give you a 6 month exemption from getting the vaccine in writing. Does that mean then the vaccinated will have to get boosters every 6 months? Is getting COVID and having a natural immunity better than the vaccine and boosters?

The difference is negligible but getting vaccinated is better in reducing risk of death or long term illness… Better to think of a booster as the third dose. When the vaccine was originally released for emergency use we weren’t sure what dosage would be needed as it was too early to tell. Turns out we need 3 and in it is hoped that will be all that is needed for long term immunity. There are other vaccinations that require 3 doses which we receive in childhood (I think hep?). Most require 2. Covid needs 3.

For now. We don’t know if COVID will mutate again and evade the vaccines. Then we start again?

So let's not bother?

@cochise isn’t that what happens though? the virus mutates, the vaccines may become in effective and back to the drawing board. The only defence we have then is our immune system

It works like this but it's not that bad. The flu requires a new vaccine every year. It's basically has an expiry date of a year. The COVID vaccines that are working so well are the same vaccine against Delta as against whatever strain they developed the vaccines under.

My take is that you are also making immunity too simplistic. A better way to think of it is being vaccinated is going to provide you better protection. I don't understand the down side. You have no immunity until you catch it or you are vaccinated. Then you develop immunity. Why not take the vaccine and be safer.
 
Mutations will likely occur if the immuno compromised and developing nations aren’t getting vaccinated. If we end up down that path then the covid vaccine will likely become an annual vaccine that’s given at the same time with the flu shot.
 
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504149) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504148) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504141) said:
@nrlsurvivor said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504138) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504120) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504105) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504098) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504068) said:
Is the booster shot mandatory?

For the majority not yet, but I think it’s a safe bet that sometime in the future it will be.

I don't think that is the plan.

@cochise if you catch COVID and beat it, NSW Health give you a 6 month exemption from getting the vaccine in writing. Does that mean then the vaccinated will have to get boosters every 6 months? Is getting COVID and having a natural immunity better than the vaccine and boosters?

The difference is negligible but getting vaccinated is better in reducing risk of death or long term illness… Better to think of a booster as the third dose. When the vaccine was originally released for emergency use we weren’t sure what dosage would be needed as it was too early to tell. Turns out we need 3 and in it is hoped that will be all that is needed for long term immunity. There are other vaccinations that require 3 doses which we receive in childhood (I think hep?). Most require 2. Covid needs 3.

For now. We don’t know if COVID will mutate again and evade the vaccines. Then we start again?

So let's not bother?

@cochise isn’t that what happens though? the virus mutates, the vaccines may become in effective and back to the drawing board. The only defence we have then is our immune system

Not quite. The mRNA vaccines can be produced pretty quickly now. All they need is the sequence for the new variant and they can modify to suite. I heard the CTO of Moderna say they can basically be set up for a new strain within 2 weeks. The hurdle will be the regulatory requirements.
 
But here is the thing

It mutates and u get infectef...sure u may get sick if u r fully vaxxed

But if u r not vaxxed, ur survival rate drops real low
 
@thedaboss said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504177) said:
But here is the thing

It mutates and u get infectef...sure u may get sick if u r fully vaxxed

But if u r not vaxxed, ur survival rate ***drops real low***

Not sure that is a true statement. Survival rate in Aus, even unvaxxed is around 98%.
 
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504159) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504149) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504148) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504141) said:
@nrlsurvivor said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504138) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504120) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504105) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504098) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504068) said:
Is the booster shot mandatory?

For the majority not yet, but I think it’s a safe bet that sometime in the future it will be.

I don't think that is the plan.

@cochise if you catch COVID and beat it, NSW Health give you a 6 month exemption from getting the vaccine in writing. Does that mean then the vaccinated will have to get boosters every 6 months? Is getting COVID and having a natural immunity better than the vaccine and boosters?

The difference is negligible but getting vaccinated is better in reducing risk of death or long term illness… Better to think of a booster as the third dose. When the vaccine was originally released for emergency use we weren’t sure what dosage would be needed as it was too early to tell. Turns out we need 3 and in it is hoped that will be all that is needed for long term immunity. There are other vaccinations that require 3 doses which we receive in childhood (I think hep?). Most require 2. Covid needs 3.

For now. We don’t know if COVID will mutate again and evade the vaccines. Then we start again?

So let's not bother?

@cochise isn’t that what happens though? the virus mutates, the vaccines may become in effective and back to the drawing board. The only defence we have then is our immune system

It works like this but it's not that bad. The flu requires a new vaccine every year. It's basically has an expiry date of a year. The COVID vaccines that are working so well are the same vaccine against Delta as against whatever strain they developed the vaccines under.

My take is that you are also making immunity too simplistic. A better way to think of it is being vaccinated is going to provide you better protection. I don't understand the down side. You have no immunity until you catch it or you are vaccinated. Then you develop immunity. Why not take the vaccine and be safer.

@Earl you make some great points. However, I’m a bit old school and unscientific. There is also a religious aspect to my beliefs. I will always
back my body to fight any virus rather than put something artificial
In it that we don’t know the long term impacts of.
 
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504204) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504159) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504149) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504148) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504141) said:
@nrlsurvivor said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504138) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504120) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504105) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504098) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504068) said:
Is the booster shot mandatory?

For the majority not yet, but I think it’s a safe bet that sometime in the future it will be.

I don't think that is the plan.

@cochise if you catch COVID and beat it, NSW Health give you a 6 month exemption from getting the vaccine in writing. Does that mean then the vaccinated will have to get boosters every 6 months? Is getting COVID and having a natural immunity better than the vaccine and boosters?

The difference is negligible but getting vaccinated is better in reducing risk of death or long term illness… Better to think of a booster as the third dose. When the vaccine was originally released for emergency use we weren’t sure what dosage would be needed as it was too early to tell. Turns out we need 3 and in it is hoped that will be all that is needed for long term immunity. There are other vaccinations that require 3 doses which we receive in childhood (I think hep?). Most require 2. Covid needs 3.

For now. We don’t know if COVID will mutate again and evade the vaccines. Then we start again?

So let's not bother?

@cochise isn’t that what happens though? the virus mutates, the vaccines may become in effective and back to the drawing board. The only defence we have then is our immune system

It works like this but it's not that bad. The flu requires a new vaccine every year. It's basically has an expiry date of a year. The COVID vaccines that are working so well are the same vaccine against Delta as against whatever strain they developed the vaccines under.

My take is that you are also making immunity too simplistic. A better way to think of it is being vaccinated is going to provide you better protection. I don't understand the down side. You have no immunity until you catch it or you are vaccinated. Then you develop immunity. Why not take the vaccine and be safer.

@Earl you make some great points. However, I’m a bit old school and unscientific. There is also a religious aspect to my beliefs. I will always
back my body to fight any virus rather than put something artificial
In it that we don’t know the long term impacts of.

Yeah, who cares about the vulnerable. You must be really old school, we have been using vaccines since 1796.
 
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504208) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504204) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504159) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504149) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504148) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504141) said:
@nrlsurvivor said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504138) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504120) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504105) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504098) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504068) said:
Is the booster shot mandatory?

For the majority not yet, but I think it’s a safe bet that sometime in the future it will be.

I don't think that is the plan.

@cochise if you catch COVID and beat it, NSW Health give you a 6 month exemption from getting the vaccine in writing. Does that mean then the vaccinated will have to get boosters every 6 months? Is getting COVID and having a natural immunity better than the vaccine and boosters?

The difference is negligible but getting vaccinated is better in reducing risk of death or long term illness… Better to think of a booster as the third dose. When the vaccine was originally released for emergency use we weren’t sure what dosage would be needed as it was too early to tell. Turns out we need 3 and in it is hoped that will be all that is needed for long term immunity. There are other vaccinations that require 3 doses which we receive in childhood (I think hep?). Most require 2. Covid needs 3.

For now. We don’t know if COVID will mutate again and evade the vaccines. Then we start again?

So let's not bother?

@cochise isn’t that what happens though? the virus mutates, the vaccines may become in effective and back to the drawing board. The only defence we have then is our immune system

It works like this but it's not that bad. The flu requires a new vaccine every year. It's basically has an expiry date of a year. The COVID vaccines that are working so well are the same vaccine against Delta as against whatever strain they developed the vaccines under.

My take is that you are also making immunity too simplistic. A better way to think of it is being vaccinated is going to provide you better protection. I don't understand the down side. You have no immunity until you catch it or you are vaccinated. Then you develop immunity. Why not take the vaccine and be safer.

@Earl you make some great points. However, I’m a bit old school and unscientific. There is also a religious aspect to my beliefs. I will always
back my body to fight any virus rather than put something artificial
In it that we don’t know the long term impacts of.

Yeah, who cares about the vulnerable. You must be really old school, we have been using vaccines since 1796.

@cochise i don’t feel this vaccine is safe in the long run mate. Has nothing to do with not caring about the vulnerable. If you knew me
On a personal level, you wouldn’t be so quick to judge me as that type
of person.
 
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504163) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504149) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504148) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504141) said:
@nrlsurvivor said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504138) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504120) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504105) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504098) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504068) said:
Is the booster shot mandatory?

For the majority not yet, but I think it’s a safe bet that sometime in the future it will be.

I don't think that is the plan.

@cochise if you catch COVID and beat it, NSW Health give you a 6 month exemption from getting the vaccine in writing. Does that mean then the vaccinated will have to get boosters every 6 months? Is getting COVID and having a natural immunity better than the vaccine and boosters?

The difference is negligible but getting vaccinated is better in reducing risk of death or long term illness… Better to think of a booster as the third dose. When the vaccine was originally released for emergency use we weren’t sure what dosage would be needed as it was too early to tell. Turns out we need 3 and in it is hoped that will be all that is needed for long term immunity. There are other vaccinations that require 3 doses which we receive in childhood (I think hep?). Most require 2. Covid needs 3.

For now. We don’t know if COVID will mutate again and evade the vaccines. Then we start again?

So let's not bother?

@cochise isn’t that what happens though? the virus mutates, the vaccines may become in effective and back to the drawing board. The only defence we have then is our immune system

Not quite. The mRNA vaccines can be produced pretty quickly now. All they need is the sequence for the new variant and they can modify to suite. I heard the CTO of Moderna say they can basically be set up for a new strain within 2 weeks. The hurdle will be the regulatory requirements.

I don't believe it's so easy to adjust the vaccine. I suppose alternatively there isn't much benefit. The reason I state this is that there hasn't been an updated vaccine yet. They are still using the initial vaccine. If it was so easy why not adjust it for Delta ?
 
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504268) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504163) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504149) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504148) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504141) said:
@nrlsurvivor said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504138) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504120) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504105) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504098) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504068) said:
Is the booster shot mandatory?

For the majority not yet, but I think it’s a safe bet that sometime in the future it will be.

I don't think that is the plan.

@cochise if you catch COVID and beat it, NSW Health give you a 6 month exemption from getting the vaccine in writing. Does that mean then the vaccinated will have to get boosters every 6 months? Is getting COVID and having a natural immunity better than the vaccine and boosters?

The difference is negligible but getting vaccinated is better in reducing risk of death or long term illness… Better to think of a booster as the third dose. When the vaccine was originally released for emergency use we weren’t sure what dosage would be needed as it was too early to tell. Turns out we need 3 and in it is hoped that will be all that is needed for long term immunity. There are other vaccinations that require 3 doses which we receive in childhood (I think hep?). Most require 2. Covid needs 3.

For now. We don’t know if COVID will mutate again and evade the vaccines. Then we start again?

So let's not bother?

@cochise isn’t that what happens though? the virus mutates, the vaccines may become in effective and back to the drawing board. The only defence we have then is our immune system

Not quite. The mRNA vaccines can be produced pretty quickly now. All they need is the sequence for the new variant and they can modify to suite. I heard the CTO of Moderna say they can basically be set up for a new strain within 2 weeks. The hurdle will be the regulatory requirements.

I don't believe it's so easy to adjust the vaccine. I suppose alternatively there isn't much benefit. The reason I state this is that there hasn't been an updated vaccine yet. They are still using the initial vaccine. If it was so easy why not adjust it for Delta ?

@earl do you think COVID can mutate to something way more
deadly or is that not within the scope of the virus?
 
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504263) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504208) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504204) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504159) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504149) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504148) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504141) said:
@nrlsurvivor said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504138) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504120) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504105) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504098) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504068) said:
Is the booster shot mandatory?

For the majority not yet, but I think it’s a safe bet that sometime in the future it will be.

I don't think that is the plan.

@cochise if you catch COVID and beat it, NSW Health give you a 6 month exemption from getting the vaccine in writing. Does that mean then the vaccinated will have to get boosters every 6 months? Is getting COVID and having a natural immunity better than the vaccine and boosters?

The difference is negligible but getting vaccinated is better in reducing risk of death or long term illness… Better to think of a booster as the third dose. When the vaccine was originally released for emergency use we weren’t sure what dosage would be needed as it was too early to tell. Turns out we need 3 and in it is hoped that will be all that is needed for long term immunity. There are other vaccinations that require 3 doses which we receive in childhood (I think hep?). Most require 2. Covid needs 3.

For now. We don’t know if COVID will mutate again and evade the vaccines. Then we start again?

So let's not bother?

@cochise isn’t that what happens though? the virus mutates, the vaccines may become in effective and back to the drawing board. The only defence we have then is our immune system

It works like this but it's not that bad. The flu requires a new vaccine every year. It's basically has an expiry date of a year. The COVID vaccines that are working so well are the same vaccine against Delta as against whatever strain they developed the vaccines under.

My take is that you are also making immunity too simplistic. A better way to think of it is being vaccinated is going to provide you better protection. I don't understand the down side. You have no immunity until you catch it or you are vaccinated. Then you develop immunity. Why not take the vaccine and be safer.

@Earl you make some great points. However, I’m a bit old school and unscientific. There is also a religious aspect to my beliefs. I will always
back my body to fight any virus rather than put something artificial
In it that we don’t know the long term impacts of.

Yeah, who cares about the vulnerable. You must be really old school, we have been using vaccines since 1796.

@cochise i don’t feel this vaccine is safe in the long run mate. Has nothing to do with not caring about the vulnerable. If you knew me
On a personal level, you wouldn’t be so quick to judge me as that type
of person.

I don't think any vaccines have had any negative effects 8 weeks post getting vaccinated. I'm not trying to be slack but there is no rational reason to think the COVID vaccine isn't safe.

As a side point I'll mention who the vulnerable are. My dad is a retired doctor and he told me it was typically people having chemotherapy.

I'll also add I don't think at the vaccine levels we have now that the unvaccinated are a big risk to the rest of society. They've typically free loaded into a much better situation. I think the main risk is too themselves.
 
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504268) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504163) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504149) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504148) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504141) said:
@nrlsurvivor said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504138) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504120) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504105) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504098) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504068) said:
Is the booster shot mandatory?

For the majority not yet, but I think it’s a safe bet that sometime in the future it will be.

I don't think that is the plan.

@cochise if you catch COVID and beat it, NSW Health give you a 6 month exemption from getting the vaccine in writing. Does that mean then the vaccinated will have to get boosters every 6 months? Is getting COVID and having a natural immunity better than the vaccine and boosters?

The difference is negligible but getting vaccinated is better in reducing risk of death or long term illness… Better to think of a booster as the third dose. When the vaccine was originally released for emergency use we weren’t sure what dosage would be needed as it was too early to tell. Turns out we need 3 and in it is hoped that will be all that is needed for long term immunity. There are other vaccinations that require 3 doses which we receive in childhood (I think hep?). Most require 2. Covid needs 3.

For now. We don’t know if COVID will mutate again and evade the vaccines. Then we start again?

So let's not bother?

@cochise isn’t that what happens though? the virus mutates, the vaccines may become in effective and back to the drawing board. The only defence we have then is our immune system

Not quite. The mRNA vaccines can be produced pretty quickly now. All they need is the sequence for the new variant and they can modify to suite. I heard the CTO of Moderna say they can basically be set up for a new strain within 2 weeks. The hurdle will be the regulatory requirements.

I don't believe it's so easy to adjust the vaccine. I suppose alternatively there isn't much benefit. The reason I state this is that there hasn't been an updated vaccine yet. They are still using the initial vaccine. If it was so easy why not adjust it for Delta ?

According to the Moderna CTO it literally is. I would think they haven’t adjusted yet because there is no real need to. The current vaccines are doing just fine. Alternatively the regulatory requirements are an impediment for a small change.
 
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504271) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504268) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504163) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504149) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504148) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504141) said:
@nrlsurvivor said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504138) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504120) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504105) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504098) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504068) said:
Is the booster shot mandatory?

For the majority not yet, but I think it’s a safe bet that sometime in the future it will be.

I don't think that is the plan.

@cochise if you catch COVID and beat it, NSW Health give you a 6 month exemption from getting the vaccine in writing. Does that mean then the vaccinated will have to get boosters every 6 months? Is getting COVID and having a natural immunity better than the vaccine and boosters?

The difference is negligible but getting vaccinated is better in reducing risk of death or long term illness… Better to think of a booster as the third dose. When the vaccine was originally released for emergency use we weren’t sure what dosage would be needed as it was too early to tell. Turns out we need 3 and in it is hoped that will be all that is needed for long term immunity. There are other vaccinations that require 3 doses which we receive in childhood (I think hep?). Most require 2. Covid needs 3.

For now. We don’t know if COVID will mutate again and evade the vaccines. Then we start again?

So let's not bother?

@cochise isn’t that what happens though? the virus mutates, the vaccines may become in effective and back to the drawing board. The only defence we have then is our immune system

Not quite. The mRNA vaccines can be produced pretty quickly now. All they need is the sequence for the new variant and they can modify to suite. I heard the CTO of Moderna say they can basically be set up for a new strain within 2 weeks. The hurdle will be the regulatory requirements.

I don't believe it's so easy to adjust the vaccine. I suppose alternatively there isn't much benefit. The reason I state this is that there hasn't been an updated vaccine yet. They are still using the initial vaccine. If it was so easy why not adjust it for Delta ?

@earl do you think COVID can mutate to something way more
deadly or is that not within the scope of the virus?

It's an opinion but I don't think this is going to happen. Typically the effects of various viruses/whatever become less problematic to society over time. The treatment becomes much better.

I suppose it could mutate into something worse but I don't think it's likely.

I actually think we've gotten off lightly with 5 million + people dead across the world and a disease that has been a major killer in heaps of countries.

Can you imagine the black plague ripping through society.
 
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504274) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504268) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504163) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504149) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504148) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504141) said:
@nrlsurvivor said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504138) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504120) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504105) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504098) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504068) said:
Is the booster shot mandatory?

For the majority not yet, but I think it’s a safe bet that sometime in the future it will be.

I don't think that is the plan.

@cochise if you catch COVID and beat it, NSW Health give you a 6 month exemption from getting the vaccine in writing. Does that mean then the vaccinated will have to get boosters every 6 months? Is getting COVID and having a natural immunity better than the vaccine and boosters?

The difference is negligible but getting vaccinated is better in reducing risk of death or long term illness… Better to think of a booster as the third dose. When the vaccine was originally released for emergency use we weren’t sure what dosage would be needed as it was too early to tell. Turns out we need 3 and in it is hoped that will be all that is needed for long term immunity. There are other vaccinations that require 3 doses which we receive in childhood (I think hep?). Most require 2. Covid needs 3.

For now. We don’t know if COVID will mutate again and evade the vaccines. Then we start again?

So let's not bother?

@cochise isn’t that what happens though? the virus mutates, the vaccines may become in effective and back to the drawing board. The only defence we have then is our immune system

Not quite. The mRNA vaccines can be produced pretty quickly now. All they need is the sequence for the new variant and they can modify to suite. I heard the CTO of Moderna say they can basically be set up for a new strain within 2 weeks. The hurdle will be the regulatory requirements.

I don't believe it's so easy to adjust the vaccine. I suppose alternatively there isn't much benefit. The reason I state this is that there hasn't been an updated vaccine yet. They are still using the initial vaccine. If it was so easy why not adjust it for Delta ?

According to the Moderna CTO it literally is. I would think they haven’t adjusted yet because there is no real need to. The current vaccines are doing just fine. Alternatively the regulatory requirements are an impediment for a small change.

I'm cool with the argument it makes no difference or minimal difference. That to me is stating that the virus doesn't really mutate that much. It's the better option.

Delta has also been highly contagious. This may be good in some ways because everyone catches it and develops immunity.
 
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504268) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504163) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504149) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504148) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504141) said:
@nrlsurvivor said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504138) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504120) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504105) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504098) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504068) said:
Is the booster shot mandatory?

For the majority not yet, but I think it’s a safe bet that sometime in the future it will be.

I don't think that is the plan.

@cochise if you catch COVID and beat it, NSW Health give you a 6 month exemption from getting the vaccine in writing. Does that mean then the vaccinated will have to get boosters every 6 months? Is getting COVID and having a natural immunity better than the vaccine and boosters?

The difference is negligible but getting vaccinated is better in reducing risk of death or long term illness… Better to think of a booster as the third dose. When the vaccine was originally released for emergency use we weren’t sure what dosage would be needed as it was too early to tell. Turns out we need 3 and in it is hoped that will be all that is needed for long term immunity. There are other vaccinations that require 3 doses which we receive in childhood (I think hep?). Most require 2. Covid needs 3.

For now. We don’t know if COVID will mutate again and evade the vaccines. Then we start again?

So let's not bother?

@cochise isn’t that what happens though? the virus mutates, the vaccines may become in effective and back to the drawing board. The only defence we have then is our immune system

Not quite. The mRNA vaccines can be produced pretty quickly now. All they need is the sequence for the new variant and they can modify to suite. I heard the CTO of Moderna say they can basically be set up for a new strain within 2 weeks. The hurdle will be the regulatory requirements.

I don't believe it's so easy to adjust the vaccine. I suppose alternatively there isn't much benefit. The reason I state this is that there hasn't been an updated vaccine yet. They are still using the initial vaccine. If it was so easy why not adjust it for Delta ?

The mRNA vaccine doesnt target the virus, it targets the spike protein on the virus. The mRNA vaccine tricks our native cells to produce the S1 spike protein from your own cells and then your immune system recognises the spike protein and will attack it if the COVID virus enters. All the variants of the COVID virus have the S1 spike protein.
 
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504272) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504263) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504208) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504204) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504159) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504149) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504148) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504141) said:
@nrlsurvivor said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504138) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504120) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504105) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504098) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504068) said:
Is the booster shot mandatory?

For the majority not yet, but I think it’s a safe bet that sometime in the future it will be.

I don't think that is the plan.

@cochise if you catch COVID and beat it, NSW Health give you a 6 month exemption from getting the vaccine in writing. Does that mean then the vaccinated will have to get boosters every 6 months? Is getting COVID and having a natural immunity better than the vaccine and boosters?

The difference is negligible but getting vaccinated is better in reducing risk of death or long term illness… Better to think of a booster as the third dose. When the vaccine was originally released for emergency use we weren’t sure what dosage would be needed as it was too early to tell. Turns out we need 3 and in it is hoped that will be all that is needed for long term immunity. There are other vaccinations that require 3 doses which we receive in childhood (I think hep?). Most require 2. Covid needs 3.

For now. We don’t know if COVID will mutate again and evade the vaccines. Then we start again?

So let's not bother?

@cochise isn’t that what happens though? the virus mutates, the vaccines may become in effective and back to the drawing board. The only defence we have then is our immune system

It works like this but it's not that bad. The flu requires a new vaccine every year. It's basically has an expiry date of a year. The COVID vaccines that are working so well are the same vaccine against Delta as against whatever strain they developed the vaccines under.

My take is that you are also making immunity too simplistic. A better way to think of it is being vaccinated is going to provide you better protection. I don't understand the down side. You have no immunity until you catch it or you are vaccinated. Then you develop immunity. Why not take the vaccine and be safer.

@Earl you make some great points. However, I’m a bit old school and unscientific. There is also a religious aspect to my beliefs. I will always
back my body to fight any virus rather than put something artificial
In it that we don’t know the long term impacts of.

Yeah, who cares about the vulnerable. You must be really old school, we have been using vaccines since 1796.

@cochise i don’t feel this vaccine is safe in the long run mate. Has nothing to do with not caring about the vulnerable. If you knew me
On a personal level, you wouldn’t be so quick to judge me as that type
of person.

I don't think any vaccines have had any negative effects 8 weeks post getting vaccinated. I'm not trying to be slack but there is no rational reason to think the COVID vaccine isn't safe.

As a side point I'll mention who the vulnerable are. My dad is a retired doctor and he told me it was typically people having chemotherapy.

I'll also add I don't think at the vaccine levels we have now that the unvaccinated are a big risk to the rest of society. They've typically free loaded into a much better situation. I think the main risk is too themselves.

I’ll correct you @Earl. The unvaxed have not free loaded, as we all have been subject to the same restrictions of which the unvaxed are now losing there jobs and still restricted in there movements. So to say freeloaded is not right
 
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504275) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504271) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504268) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504163) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504149) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504148) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504141) said:
@nrlsurvivor said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504138) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504120) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504105) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504098) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504068) said:
Is the booster shot mandatory?

For the majority not yet, but I think it’s a safe bet that sometime in the future it will be.

I don't think that is the plan.

@cochise if you catch COVID and beat it, NSW Health give you a 6 month exemption from getting the vaccine in writing. Does that mean then the vaccinated will have to get boosters every 6 months? Is getting COVID and having a natural immunity better than the vaccine and boosters?

The difference is negligible but getting vaccinated is better in reducing risk of death or long term illness… Better to think of a booster as the third dose. When the vaccine was originally released for emergency use we weren’t sure what dosage would be needed as it was too early to tell. Turns out we need 3 and in it is hoped that will be all that is needed for long term immunity. There are other vaccinations that require 3 doses which we receive in childhood (I think hep?). Most require 2. Covid needs 3.

For now. We don’t know if COVID will mutate again and evade the vaccines. Then we start again?

So let's not bother?

@cochise isn’t that what happens though? the virus mutates, the vaccines may become in effective and back to the drawing board. The only defence we have then is our immune system

Not quite. The mRNA vaccines can be produced pretty quickly now. All they need is the sequence for the new variant and they can modify to suite. I heard the CTO of Moderna say they can basically be set up for a new strain within 2 weeks. The hurdle will be the regulatory requirements.

I don't believe it's so easy to adjust the vaccine. I suppose alternatively there isn't much benefit. The reason I state this is that there hasn't been an updated vaccine yet. They are still using the initial vaccine. If it was so easy why not adjust it for Delta ?

@earl do you think COVID can mutate to something way more
deadly or is that not within the scope of the virus?

It's an opinion but I don't think this is going to happen. Typically the effects of various viruses/whatever become less problematic to society over time. The treatment becomes much better.

I suppose it could mutate into something worse but I don't think it's likely.

I actually think we've gotten off lightly with 5 million + people dead across the world and a disease that has been a major killer in heaps of countries.

Can you imagine the black plague ripping through society.

Black (bubonic) plague is a bacterial infection and easily treated (not withstanding antibiotic resistance).
 
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