Coronavirus Outbreak

[innsaneink]

Is the booster shot mandatory?

For the majority not yet, but I think it’s a safe bet that sometime in the future it will be.

I don't think that is the plan.

@cochise if you catch COVID and beat it, NSW Health give you a 6 month exemption from getting the vaccine in writing. Does that mean then the vaccinated will have to get boosters every 6 months? Is getting COVID and having a natural immunity better than the vaccine and boosters?

The difference is negligible but getting vaccinated is better in reducing risk of death or long term illness… Better to think of a booster as the third dose. When the vaccine was originally released for emergency use we weren’t sure what dosage would be needed as it was too early to tell. Turns out we need 3 and in it is hoped that will be all that is needed for long term immunity. There are other vaccinations that require 3 doses which we receive in childhood (I think hep?). Most require 2. Covid needs 3.

For now. We don’t know if COVID will mutate again and evade the vaccines. Then we start again?

So let's not bother?

@cochise isn’t that what happens though? the virus mutates, the vaccines may become in effective and back to the drawing board. The only defence we have then is our immune system

It works like this but it's not that bad. The flu requires a new vaccine every year. It's basically has an expiry date of a year. The COVID vaccines that are working so well are the same vaccine against Delta as against whatever strain they developed the vaccines under.

My take is that you are also making immunity too simplistic. A better way to think of it is being vaccinated is going to provide you better protection. I don't understand the down side. You have no immunity until you catch it or you are vaccinated. Then you develop immunity. Why not take the vaccine and be safer.

@Earl you make some great points. However, I’m a bit old school and unscientific. There is also a religious aspect to my beliefs. I will always
back my body to fight any virus rather than put something artificial
In it that we don’t know the long term impacts of.

Yeah, who cares about the vulnerable. You must be really old school, we have been using vaccines since 1796.

@cochise i don’t feel this vaccine is safe in the long run mate. Has nothing to do with not caring about the vulnerable. If you knew me
On a personal level, you wouldn’t be so quick to judge me as that type
of person.

I don't think any vaccines have had any negative effects 8 weeks post getting vaccinated. I'm not trying to be slack but there is no rational reason to think the COVID vaccine isn't safe.

As a side point I'll mention who the vulnerable are. My dad is a retired doctor and he told me it was typically people having chemotherapy.

I'll also add I don't think at the vaccine levels we have now that the unvaccinated are a big risk to the rest of society. They've typically free loaded into a much better situation. I think the main risk is too themselves.

I’ll correct you @Earl. The unvaxed have not free loaded, as we all have been subject to the same restrictions of which the unvaxed are now losing there jobs and still restricted in there movements. So to say freeloaded is not right

I havent been here much because I was TERMINATED from my job because Im not double vaxxed against covid.....no jab no job...so I went to the doc for a medical exemption so I could work and he said no unless I have an adverse reaction to the vax....hello doc I have had a history of blood clotting and I prefer to take my chances on something not much worse than a common flu...

I know most will get all huffy about what I said....go do some research and you will find out just what a fear mongering scare this crap was for the sake of big pharma,faucci and gates...
I will even go as far as saying the PCR tests are giving more false positives than neg and nearly all deaths in hospitals are put down to covid ...even old age ,heart attacks and car accidents..

Have a great xmas guys stay safe and bring on 2022 season....

I will leave you with what our Lord Jesus Christ said on the cross before he was lanced...

""Forgive them Father for they know not what they do"


thats for the Govt,you know the people who are supposed to look after us as they work for us...not oppress or divide us.....free choice,my health,my body...

Don't rely on the govt to look after you....
Look after yourself... It's.not the govt dividing you... It's you

 

[Tiger5150]

COVID is not a beat up at all. The best way for me to prove that is to use Florida as an example. Something like 50k or 60k deaths with a population smaller than Australia and probably better health care. Their problem is really simple - a low vaccination rate and some silly idea they have of freedom.

Actually, Florida is a high vaxx state with 80% of over 12's and 99% of 65+, so this “it was lack of vaxx” argument doesn't hold water.

Moreover, summer seasonal hospitalization and deaths in Florida were worse in 2021 than in 2020. (Summer is the season for respiratory illness in the tropics.)

Florida doesn't fit the narrative.

Also the second oldest population in the US (behind Maine which has small population).

 

[TrueTiger]

Is the booster shot mandatory?

For the majority not yet, but I think it’s a safe bet that sometime in the future it will be.

I don't think that is the plan.

@cochise if you catch COVID and beat it, NSW Health give you a 6 month exemption from getting the vaccine in writing. Does that mean then the vaccinated will have to get boosters every 6 months? Is getting COVID and having a natural immunity better than the vaccine and boosters?

The difference is negligible but getting vaccinated is better in reducing risk of death or long term illness… Better to think of a booster as the third dose. When the vaccine was originally released for emergency use we weren’t sure what dosage would be needed as it was too early to tell. Turns out we need 3 and in it is hoped that will be all that is needed for long term immunity. There are other vaccinations that require 3 doses which we receive in childhood (I think hep?). Most require 2. Covid needs 3.

For now. We don’t know if COVID will mutate again and evade the vaccines. Then we start again?

So let's not bother?

@cochise isn’t that what happens though? the virus mutates, the vaccines may become in effective and back to the drawing board. The only defence we have then is our immune system

It works like this but it's not that bad. The flu requires a new vaccine every year. It's basically has an expiry date of a year. The COVID vaccines that are working so well are the same vaccine against Delta as against whatever strain they developed the vaccines under.

My take is that you are also making immunity too simplistic. A better way to think of it is being vaccinated is going to provide you better protection. I don't understand the down side. You have no immunity until you catch it or you are vaccinated. Then you develop immunity. Why not take the vaccine and be safer.

@Earl you make some great points. However, I’m a bit old school and unscientific. There is also a religious aspect to my beliefs. I will always
back my body to fight any virus rather than put something artificial
In it that we don’t know the long term impacts of.

Yeah, who cares about the vulnerable. You must be really old school, we have been using vaccines since 1796.

@cochise i don’t feel this vaccine is safe in the long run mate. Has nothing to do with not caring about the vulnerable. If you knew me
On a personal level, you wouldn’t be so quick to judge me as that type
of person.

I don't think any vaccines have had any negative effects 8 weeks post getting vaccinated. I'm not trying to be slack but there is no rational reason to think the COVID vaccine isn't safe.

As a side point I'll mention who the vulnerable are. My dad is a retired doctor and he told me it was typically people having chemotherapy.

I'll also add I don't think at the vaccine levels we have now that the unvaccinated are a big risk to the rest of society. They've typically free loaded into a much better situation. I think the main risk is too themselves.

I’ll correct you @Earl. The unvaxed have not free loaded, as we all have been subject to the same restrictions of which the unvaxed are now losing there jobs and still restricted in there movements. So to say freeloaded is not right

I havent been here much because I was TERMINATED from my job because Im not double vaxxed against covid.....no jab no job...so I went to the doc for a medical exemption so I could work and he said no unless I have an adverse reaction to the vax....hello doc I have had a history of blood clotting and I prefer to take my chances on something not much worse than a common flu...

I know most will get all huffy about what I said....go do some research and you will find out just what a fear mongering scare this crap was for the sake of big pharma,faucci and gates...
I will even go as far as saying the PCR tests are giving more false positives than neg and nearly all deaths in hospitals are put down to covid ...even old age ,heart attacks and car accidents..

Have a great xmas guys stay safe and bring on 2022 season....

I will leave you with what our Lord Jesus Christ said on the cross before he was lanced...

""Forgive them Father for they know not what they do"


thats for the Govt,you know the people who are supposed to look after us as they work for us...not oppress or divide us.....free choice,my health,my body...

Don't rely on the govt to look after you....
Look after yourself... It's.not the govt dividing you... It's you

thanks...

 

[innsaneink]

You're welcome

 

[Eyeofthetiger 0]

Hope everyone is safe and yes I do mean everyone

I hope everyone is safe as well. That is why I push the vaccine though. I'm worried about my dad especially and he is doubly vaxxed.

I definitely hope all the unvaxxed are safe. I wouldn't wish a bad COVID experience on any of them.

We should stop and think though what these anti-vaccine arguments lead too in the worst case scenario. There are people in their 30's and 40's dying with young families simply because they didn't get vaccinated.

@Earl the majority of the 30 to 40 unvaxed recovered from COVID without hospitalisation also though

I agree but some die. If they had just taken the vax they probably live.

I'm going to drum this point in again:-

Florida:- 60,197 deaths so far.
Australia:- 1,805 deaths so far

--Florida has a smaller population than Australia. The problem is that a higher percentage of people refuse to get vaccinated plus they complain about any lockdowns.

Just to add to that point Australia's biggest killer is heart disease with about 18,000 deaths per year. COVID is a big killer if you don't take the right action.

How many people die of the flu in Australia each year for comparison?

Thanks for your support Eyeofthetiger...
If you type in duckduckgo search engine....then bitchute..
search..Restored republic via a GCR special report as of Nov 10 2021..this may enlighten some peoples way of thinking ...its purely up to the individual....
some of the info is from the USA military working with some civillians...keep an open mind and keep safe mate...

Just watched it mate and believe every bit of it. We need to get @earl to watch it

 

[earl]

How many people die of the flu in Australia each year for comparison?

I'm not sure but the flu is nothing like COVID at this point. COVID is a novel virus which means we don't have any immunity. The flu has been around for years and we handle it much better.

COVID without lockdowns and vaccinations would be our biggest killer by far. Flu wouldn't register a blip.

 

[swag_tiger]

How many people die of the flu in Australia each year for comparison?

I'm not sure but the flu is nothing like COVID at this point. COVID is a novel virus which means we don't have any immunity. The flu has been around for years and we handle it much better.

COVID without lockdowns and vaccinations would be our biggest killer by far. Flu wouldn't register a blip.

Alot of people just don't understand this and expect the immune system to work against a new disease straight away.

 

[earl]

COVID is not a beat up at all. The best way for me to prove that is to use Florida as an example. Something like 50k or 60k deaths with a population smaller than Australia and probably better health care. Their problem is really simple - a low vaccination rate and some silly idea they have of freedom.

Actually, Florida is a high vaxx state with 80% of over 12's and 99% of 65+, so this “it was lack of vaxx” argument doesn't hold water.

Moreover, summer seasonal hospitalization and deaths in Florida were worse in 2021 than in 2020. (Summer is the season for respiratory illness in the tropics.)

Florida doesn't fit the narrative.

I'll check but my understanding is that they've had lower vaccination rates in tandem with refusal to wear masks or have any restrictions. I think it fits the narrative but if I'm wrong I'll come back and admit it.

 

[Tiger5150]

How many people die of the flu in Australia each year for comparison?

I'm not sure but the flu is nothing like COVID at this point. COVID is a novel virus which means we don't have any immunity. The flu has been around for years and we handle it much better.

COVID without lockdowns and vaccinations would be our biggest killer by far. Flu wouldn't register a blip.

Flu is between 500-1200 deaths a year, but that is without lockdowns and restrictions. Without lockdowns and restrictions, COVID would have been 10x that.

 

[Tiger5150]

COVID is not a beat up at all. The best way for me to prove that is to use Florida as an example. Something like 50k or 60k deaths with a population smaller than Australia and probably better health care. Their problem is really simple - a low vaccination rate and some silly idea they have of freedom.

Actually, Florida is a high vaxx state with 80% of over 12's and 99% of 65+, so this “it was lack of vaxx” argument doesn't hold water.

Moreover, summer seasonal hospitalization and deaths in Florida were worse in 2021 than in 2020. (Summer is the season for respiratory illness in the tropics.)

Florida doesn't fit the narrative.

I'll check but my understanding is that they've had lower vaccination rates in tandem with refusal to wear masks or have any restrictions. I think it fits the narrative but if I'm wrong I'll come back and admit it.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker
One of the highest vaccination rates in the US, over 60% TOTAL population (over 80% 16+).

The US mainstream media narrative is anti Florida because it is a Republican governor that goes against the media narrative.

 

[fibrodreaming]

I think it fits the narrative but if I’m wrong I’ll come back and admit it.

That's OK, I wasn't trying to score points.

One of the things one needs to bear in mind when comparing Florida with the populous states in the North is that they have different seasons for respiratory virus.

Florida has now exited its flu season while the north is about to enter theirs.

The interesting thing is that despite the roll out of the vaccines Florida experienced more Covid cases and deaths this year than it did for the same period last year, before the roll out.

 

[earl]

COVID is not a beat up at all. The best way for me to prove that is to use Florida as an example. Something like 50k or 60k deaths with a population smaller than Australia and probably better health care. Their problem is really simple - a low vaccination rate and some silly idea they have of freedom.

Actually, Florida is a high vaxx state with 80% of over 12's and 99% of 65+, so this “it was lack of vaxx” argument doesn't hold water.

Moreover, summer seasonal hospitalization and deaths in Florida were worse in 2021 than in 2020. (Summer is the season for respiratory illness in the tropics.)

Florida doesn't fit the narrative.

I'll check but my understanding is that they've had lower vaccination rates in tandem with refusal to wear masks or have any restrictions. I think it fits the narrative but if I'm wrong I'll come back and admit it.

Can I just state quoting myself is awesome. I might start arguing with myself but anyway.

I think Florida is a really good example of what happens when you don't take COVID seriously. I assume everyone agrees that the deaths are higher than Australia's biggest cause of death which is heart disease and everyone agrees that Florida has a smaller population than Australia.

I'll add that it isn't just the vaccine. It is also behavioral which I mentioned in my initial post. It's the idea that you need your freedoms which means do whatever you want despite the risk.

They also don't have the same vaccination rates as we've had in NSW for instance. We are at about 95% whereas they are at about 80%.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/florida
https://usafacts.org/issues/coronavirus/state/florida
https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/state/florida

My take (and this is a little opinion based) is that they've done multiple stupid things. Firstly they didn't lock down and take other appropriate precautions ala wearing masks. So COVID got out. They also didn't get high vaccination rates. I also think they increased their vaccination rates later than us and specifically later in relation to Delta.

If anything I'd argue the data clearly articulates when you get higher vaccination rates (as well as people contracting the disease because all that matters is increased immunity) COVID becomes less of an issue. They are now getting decreasing deaths especially post increasing their vaccination rates.

 

[earl]

I think it fits the narrative but if I’m wrong I’ll come back and admit it.

That's OK, I wasn't trying to score points.

One of the things one needs to bear in mind when comparing Florida with the populous states in the North is that they have different seasons for respiratory virus.

Florida has now exited its flu season while the north is about to enter theirs.

The interesting thing is that despite the roll out of the vaccines Florida experienced more Covid cases and deaths this year than it did for the same period last year, before the roll out.

That point is interesting but I think it was two things. A slower and lower vaccination uptake along with Delta.

They look to be turning the corner now. I assume it's vaccinations plus immunity developed from contracting the virus.

Delta has ripped through so many places.

 

[innsaneink]

Can I just state quoting myself is awesome. I might start arguing with myself but anyway.

Quite a few here talk to ''the voices'' i reckon so ....the more the merrier

 

[Tiger5150]

COVID is not a beat up at all. The best way for me to prove that is to use Florida as an example. Something like 50k or 60k deaths with a population smaller than Australia and probably better health care. Their problem is really simple - a low vaccination rate and some silly idea they have of freedom.

Actually, Florida is a high vaxx state with 80% of over 12's and 99% of 65+, so this “it was lack of vaxx” argument doesn't hold water.

Moreover, summer seasonal hospitalization and deaths in Florida were worse in 2021 than in 2020. (Summer is the season for respiratory illness in the tropics.)

Florida doesn't fit the narrative.

I'll check but my understanding is that they've had lower vaccination rates in tandem with refusal to wear masks or have any restrictions. I think it fits the narrative but if I'm wrong I'll come back and admit it.

Can I just state quoting myself is awesome. I might start arguing with myself but anyway.

I think Florida is a really good example of what happens when you don't take COVID seriously. I assume everyone agrees that the deaths are higher than Australia's biggest cause of death which is heart disease and everyone agrees that Florida has a smaller population than Australia.

I'll add that it isn't just the vaccine. It is also behavioral which I mentioned in my initial post. It's the idea that you need your freedoms which means do whatever you want despite the risk.

They also don't have the same vaccination rates as we've had in NSW for instance. We are at about 95% whereas they are at about 80%.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/florida
https://usafacts.org/issues/coronavirus/state/florida
https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/state/florida

My take (and this is a little opinion based) is that they've done multiple stupid things. Firstly they didn't lock down and take other appropriate precautions ala wearing masks. So COVID got out. They also didn't get high vaccination rates. I also think they increased their vaccination rates later than us and specifically later in relation to Delta.

If anything I'd argue the data clearly articulates when you get higher vaccination rates (as well as people contracting the disease because all that matters is increased immunity) COVID becomes less of an issue. They are now getting decreasing deaths especially post increasing their vaccination rates.

Florida isnt particularly different to the rest of the US. Oldest (effectively) population in the US, but 8th worst deaths per million and the number (2800 per million) isnt that much different to the mean or median (2365) in the US.

IMO Florida isnt that much different to the rest of the US but there is no shortage of media piling on Florida for political reasons.

Of course the US is totally different to Aus for a million reasons.

 

[earl]

Hope everyone is safe and yes I do mean everyone

I hope everyone is safe as well. That is why I push the vaccine though. I'm worried about my dad especially and he is doubly vaxxed.

I definitely hope all the unvaxxed are safe. I wouldn't wish a bad COVID experience on any of them.

We should stop and think though what these anti-vaccine arguments lead too in the worst case scenario. There are people in their 30's and 40's dying with young families simply because they didn't get vaccinated.

@Earl the majority of the 30 to 40 unvaxed recovered from COVID without hospitalisation also though

I agree but some die. If they had just taken the vax they probably live.

I'm going to drum this point in again:-

Florida:- 60,197 deaths so far.
Australia:- 1,805 deaths so far

--Florida has a smaller population than Australia. The problem is that a higher percentage of people refuse to get vaccinated plus they complain about any lockdowns.

Just to add to that point Australia's biggest killer is heart disease with about 18,000 deaths per year. COVID is a big killer if you don't take the right action.

How many people die of the flu in Australia each year for comparison?

Thanks for your support Eyeofthetiger...
If you type in duckduckgo search engine....then bitchute..
search..Restored republic via a GCR special report as of Nov 10 2021..this may enlighten some peoples way of thinking ...its purely up to the individual....
some of the info is from the USA military working with some civillians...keep an open mind and keep safe mate...

Just watched it mate and believe every bit of it. We need to get @earl to watch it

I watched this because I give stuff a go but to me it's nonsense. I don't believe media narratives.

As an example I'm not confident in Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) (there is no need for a debate here) and the Australian government isn't confident in Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective). The reason is that the data quality is really poor. I'll add that this doesn't mean Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) doesn't work. It just means we don't have high quality data proving it works. That is the issue. I accept there are reasons for the lack of quality data which do align to theories about big Pharma being a bit dodgy.

When it comes to the vaccines you get massive rigorous studies and you get massive data-sets post vaccination. You need to provide arguments that aren't just unsourced statements from whoever. If for instance you don't trust the CDC or Dr Fauci or the Australian government (which I can understand a little) why do you trust sources like that ?

I'm sorry if I'm coming on too strong. I don't think I'm going to convince anyone and I honestly don't care now that we have high vaccination rates.

 

[earl]

IMO Florida isnt that much different to the rest of the US but there is no shortage of media piling on Florida for political reasons.
Of course the US is totally different to Aus for a million reasons.

That is fair. I probably could have picked on most states in America. Florida though is a pretty good comparison point to Australia in relation to population size and development.

 

[Tucker]

I havent been here much because I was TERMINATED from my job because Im not double vaxxed against covid.....no jab no job...so I went to the doc for a medical exemption so I could work and he said no unless I have an adverse reaction to the vax...us.....free choice,my health,my body...

Good news for your co-workers.

Lol another tough guy. How ruthless of you mate

Haha I thought it was funny and on point.

 

[Tiger5150]

I think it fits the narrative but if I’m wrong I’ll come back and admit it.

That's OK, I wasn't trying to score points.

One of the things one needs to bear in mind when comparing Florida with the populous states in the North is that they have different seasons for respiratory virus.

Florida has now exited its flu season while the north is about to enter theirs.

The interesting thing is that despite the roll out of the vaccines Florida experienced more Covid cases and deaths this year than it did for the same period last year, before the roll out.

That point is interesting but I think it was two things. ***A slower and lower vaccination uptake along with Delta.***

They look to be turning the corner now. I assume it's vaccinations plus immunity developed from contracting the virus.

Delta has ripped through so many places.

This is simply wrong, from the data that you provided. On the data that you provided, on 9th June 2021 Florida had 41% fully vaxxed (50% first shot) compared to Australia 2.6%.

Sept 12 Florida was 55% fully vaxxed, Aus 34%. Sometime on October Aus caught up to Florida with respect to fully vaxxed. Florida has always been ahead of Australia with regards to vaccinations.

https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/state/florida

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=AUS

 

[earl]

I think it fits the narrative but if I’m wrong I’ll come back and admit it.

That's OK, I wasn't trying to score points.

One of the things one needs to bear in mind when comparing Florida with the populous states in the North is that they have different seasons for respiratory virus.

Florida has now exited its flu season while the north is about to enter theirs.

The interesting thing is that despite the roll out of the vaccines Florida experienced more Covid cases and deaths this year than it did for the same period last year, before the roll out.

That point is interesting but I think it was two things. ***A slower and lower vaccination uptake along with Delta.***

They look to be turning the corner now. I assume it's vaccinations plus immunity developed from contracting the virus.

Delta has ripped through so many places.

This is simply wrong, from the data that you provided. On the data that you provided, on 9th June 2021 Florida had 41% fully vaxxed (50% first shot) compared to Australia 2.6%.

Sept 12 Florida was 55% fully vaxxed, Aus 34%. Sometime on October Aus caught up to Florida with respect to fully vaxxed. Florida has always been ahead of Australia with regards to vaccinations.

https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/state/florida

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=AUS

It's not that simple. Australia luckily has been behind the curve in relation to COVID. So yes it you compare two dates you win but that isn't giving an accurate picture.

Delta ripped through the US a lot earlier than Australia.