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@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504659) said:@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504653) said:@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504649) said:@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504646) said:@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504625) said:@fibrodreaming said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504499) said:@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1504350) said:COVID is not a beat up at all. The best way for me to prove that is to use Florida as an example. Something like 50k or 60k deaths with a population smaller than Australia and probably better health care. Their problem is really simple - a low vaccination rate and some silly idea they have of freedom.
Actually, Florida is a high vaxx state with 80% of over 12's and 99% of 65+, so this “it was lack of vaxx” argument doesn't hold water.
Moreover, summer seasonal hospitalization and deaths in Florida were worse in 2021 than in 2020. (Summer is the season for respiratory illness in the tropics.)
Florida doesn't fit the narrative.
Not sure where you are getting those figures from but as of 8th Nov 2021 only 69% of the state have had a single dose and only 60% of the state is double vaccinated.
https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/state/florida
You have to be careful with these comparisons. They are I think 80% single vaxxed or something like that. The figure you are quoting I think are total population.
The total population matters.
It definitely does but people are comparing different stats. You've provided total population. @fibrodreaming provided eligible population. It's effectively the same number viewed through a different lens.
We have been significantly stricter in our approach and the result has been close to 60k saved lives. That is pretty clear cut evidence to me that relatively we've done exceptionally well via following the science.
I think @fibrodreaming is stating a little different argument. I think he is stating that Florida is relatively highly vaccinated compared to other countries/states/whatever. My take is that he is correct but the difference between our approach and theirs has still led to a lot of deaths. There is a more nuanced discussion about how many booster shots to take in the future as well as other stuff.
With only 60% fully vaccinated means that 40% aren’t. That’s not a highly vaccinated state and saying Florida is, is spreading misinformation. It also means that those 40% are vulnerable, or are carriers or worse incubators for a new variant.
It genuinely depends on the stats. In NSW we opened up at 80% (16+) which equates to 64%. If it is the same stats then Florida is probably 80odd% of 16+ population vaccinated. The rest, the 36% unvaccinated ispredominantly young kids which have been shown to not be significant vectors of the virus.
EDIT: Deleted figures that were wrong.