Coronavirus Outbreak

[earl]

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/01/covid-19-variants-omicron-may-not-evolve-less-danger-time-nervtag-uk

Early testing results concerning that it’s not less dangerous……

Let's wait and see. I don't go for the dramatics. Calm, logical and rational.

What is interesting though is that your group seems to be all over the place:-

1. COVID isn't real.
2. PCR tests don't work.
3. The virus doesn't do any damage. 99.95% of people are okay.
4. Vaccines don't work.
5. The virus could mutate to be much more virulent.

The arguments aren't even internally consistent.

If I was an anti-vaxxer (and for instance I don't think the case for vaccinating kids is very strong) I'd argue that the risk-reward benefit for me is not in my favor and I am prepared to take the risk. That is a rational coherent argument. I've heard Kelly Slater and Joe Rogan state this argument. I don't agree with it but at least it's rational.

My concern with what you guys state is that it isn't factual. Most of the time it's nonsense.

In some countries with high adult vaxx rates it's the kids that are the holders of the virus.

I stated earlier that I think this is the big reason to vaccinate kids.

 

[FinestTigers]

It's evident and unmistakable to me now that the government is acting like a child that's playing with fire who's unaware of it's potential disaster. (but only for political reasons).

Appearing now to do contact tracing for this new variant of concern when the borders are open is garbage, mindless and nonsense.

When last week the 26th of Nov, I don't think that The WHO were misinformed, or misguided when they declared this variant as a **variant of concern** (VOC).

This VOC means it's **another emergency**.

So what now?, the governments approach to this emergency now is contact tracing? Trying to identify people? where from and where they went? in another words this approach by the govt. to me, means this, let this VOC run rampant in the community and if the house catches fire then call the fire brigade and then let the occupiers of the house deal with the damages of life and property.

It is mindless, and criminal, but who is it that always pays the price for this incompetence?

 

[trentrunciman]

FFS I love the older generation as much as anyone. F$&k I’m next in line, you don’t think that resonates? If this was Ebola or some strain that killed 50% it’d be different. But it’s not. It kill’s old and or sick people. EVERYTHING kills old and sick people. It’s called life. Where does this end?
I remember when I was a 10yo kid, doing backflips of the 10m tower at Leichhardt pool. Back then the rule was if you climbed up, you weren’t allowed down unless you jumped. These days you need a diving degree to use the 1m board.
My point is that the choice and freedom to express yourself and experience the results of YOUR decisions has been systematically eroded within my lifetime, to a point where I’m now arguing to maintain any form of individuality.
Im an old dad and I have a young daughter who I want desperately to have as good if not better childhood experiences as I did. But when I think about it there’s no way she will because she’s not allowed to be herself. And that makes me really sad. Because I did. And you’re pop did. But now she’s gotta think about them, so she can’t.
Freedom is the thing that separates us from the pack. Real freedom is what it means to be human.
I mean I can choose not to be here anymore if I don’t don’t want to. It sounds morbid but that’s what real freedom is. You can’t control other people, and nor should you. It’s winning and losing. Ying and Yang. You can’t win by trying not to loose.

Ah Leichhardt pools! Grew up in that water! Always too scared to go up to the diving up there. It’s so high!!

 

[Papacito]

Saw a video of an anti-vaxxer at a Melbourne protest yelling at and accusing a passer of committing "child abuse" based on their child wearing a facemask.

Fair dinkum, some of these anti-vaxxers need serious help.

 

[trentrunciman]

**The sooner people wake up that MSM and the Govt arent your friends the better off you will be...**
search Dr Dave Martin ....virologist.epidemologist and health insurance undertaker..
Dr Karen Kingston Pfiser employee who left after Pfiser paid out billions for fraudulent vaccine production that led to deaths and injuries...

The govt has secured 80 million doses of vaccines for all Aussies which equates to 2 doses per person per year for 7 years...

and most think its about health....careful what you wish for ...freedom doesnt exist when you have to conform to govt regulation when its on their terms...

my case was that I asked for a med exemption because of my blood clot history...I was told that the health advise has been re done that it is only possible to get an exemption if I had an adverse reaction from the first shot.....sort of defeats the purpose since I have genuine concern for my own health..

Iam no anti vaxer,but I certainly dont trust a drug that the Pharma wont know the result of until 2023 because it is still in an trial mode and under EUA that changes as the Govt sees fit to serve their narrative...

FOLLOW THE MONEY....

Ok, they aren’t my friends. Now what? How is my life going to change?

What a defeatist statement.
Pretty simple. It’s a numbers game. If enough people call bullshit and stop complying, the games over.

And all our grandparents die. Seems like a good solution. ?

Newsflash bro. All old people die. From lots of shit that isn’t our fault. You will too. And me. Try keeping ya shit together.

Haha. And most people try to stay alive too where it’s possible. Your compassion is remarkable.

So I’m confused. Are you saying the vaccines do or don’t work???

They lower transmission and the risk of death. They do not eliminate Covid if that’s what you expected them to do. Same with lockdowns and restrictions. They give your pop a better chance of survival. It’s not an absolute science, it’s a game of giving a f$&@ about others.

We shall see soon enough how effective the vaccine you took will fair against Omicron. Otherwise, the vaccine you took was a waste of time.

Australia is a remarkable success story in this pandemic. Our compliance has not been a waste. Many thousands of lives saved. Or were we born with better immunity?

I don’t think we will ever be immune to this virus. I had a feeling this virus would mutate and was in no rush to get vaccinated. As a result current vaccines will be in effective against this new strain.

All viruses mutate. You realize the flu mutates a lot more than COVID right. The vaccines have stood up well so far against mutations.

I’m not saying that COVID is the flu. COVID is man made in a lab and who knows how it’s going to behave in the long run


That is your opinion and linking articles from that right wing nutter conspiracy website you like does not change that.

We should be extremely clear on this. His argument doesn't hold up to the facts therefore it is an invalid argument.

No one gets to make up facts. That just isn't how logical discussions work.

**It'd be like me stating Scott Morrison is a lizard who is controlling all Australians via mind power.** These types of comments don't belong in rational logical discussions because they **aren't true.**

You sure..

“Chiynah, I mean climate change”

 

[leichhardtjunior]

Robust actions hmmmm. This is delta all over again

It appears more contagious that Delta but potentially not as virulent. We also handled Delta like champions due predominantly to high vaccination rates.

This is not an anti-vaxxer narrative.

‘We also handled Delta like champions due predominantly to high vaccination rates..’

No doubt you have factual data that proves this?
The population was locked up and isolated from each other you clown. Vaccinated people are dying. There is no proof that vaccination is the ‘champion’ ingredient.
You are an absolute myth mate, you avoid every legitimate argument that you don’t have a favourable answer for and divert to your standard reset responses of ‘politics’, ‘accepted science’ and all the cliché negative stigma crap.
You cherry pick your battles blatantly.
Constantly yelling that no one gets to claim false facts, but here you go doing that exact thing.
Full.Of.Crap.Earl.Compliance.Gov.

 

[leichhardtjunior]

**The sooner people wake up that MSM and the Govt arent your friends the better off you will be...**
search Dr Dave Martin ....virologist.epidemologist and health insurance undertaker..
Dr Karen Kingston Pfiser employee who left after Pfiser paid out billions for fraudulent vaccine production that led to deaths and injuries...

The govt has secured 80 million doses of vaccines for all Aussies which equates to 2 doses per person per year for 7 years...

and most think its about health....careful what you wish for ...freedom doesnt exist when you have to conform to govt regulation when its on their terms...

my case was that I asked for a med exemption because of my blood clot history...I was told that the health advise has been re done that it is only possible to get an exemption if I had an adverse reaction from the first shot.....sort of defeats the purpose since I have genuine concern for my own health..

Iam no anti vaxer,but I certainly dont trust a drug that the Pharma wont know the result of until 2023 because it is still in an trial mode and under EUA that changes as the Govt sees fit to serve their narrative...

FOLLOW THE MONEY....

Ok, they aren’t my friends. Now what? How is my life going to change?

What a defeatist statement.
Pretty simple. It’s a numbers game. If enough people call bullshit and stop complying, the games over.

And all our grandparents die. Seems like a good solution. ?

Newsflash bro. All old people die. From lots of shit that isn’t our fault. You will too. And me. Try keeping ya shit together.

Haha. And most people try to stay alive too where it’s possible. Your compassion is remarkable.

So I’m confused. Are you saying the vaccines do or don’t work???

They lower transmission and the risk of death. They do not eliminate Covid if that’s what you expected them to do. Same with lockdowns and restrictions. They give your pop a better chance of survival. It’s not an absolute science, it’s a game of giving a f$&@ about others.

We shall see soon enough how effective the vaccine you took will fair against Omicron. Otherwise, the vaccine you took was a waste of time.

You do know there's something called mutations. It happens to viruses too if they are given the right environment. There's no way to predict how they change, its nothing to do with a poor vaccine.

Seriously Swag, what’s it like always being the scaredest person in the room ?

I'm not scared, I'm doing it because I have 2 friends who have a compromised immune system, a uncle with Cerebal palsy and Grandparents In their 80's.

And I have no issue with your decision.
You know you can still contract and transmit though right? My point being at some point you have to come to terms with the fact that THESE VACCINES can’t save them from you or the world. It’s your right to choose to take on that responsibility for your own reasons, but you’re setting yourself up for a massive hospital pass running that line mate. If you truly feel that level of responsibility for their fate, you should cut contact all together. But what sort of life is that right? For them or you. It’s an admirable gesture, but you can’t save everyone you love. Life takes the best of them for the wrong reasons. Our times will come too. That’s no one else’s fault.

 

[Eyeofthetiger 0]

Robust actions hmmmm. This is delta all over again

It appears more contagious that Delta but potentially not as virulent. We also handled Delta like champions due predominantly to high vaccination rates.

This is not an anti-vaxxer narrative.

‘We also handled Delta like champions due predominantly to high vaccination rates..’

No doubt you have factual data that proves this?
The population was locked up and isolated from each other you clown. Vaccinated people are dying. There is no proof that vaccination is the ‘champion’ ingredient.
You are an absolute myth mate, you avoid every legitimate argument that you don’t have a favourable answer for and divert to your standard reset responses of ‘politics’, ‘accepted science’ and all the cliché negative stigma crap.
You cherry pick your battles blatantly.
Constantly yelling that no one gets to claim false facts, but here you go doing that exact thing.
Full.Of.Crap.Earl.Compliance.Gov.

It was the lockdowns that stopped the spread, not the vaccines.

 

[JD Tiger]

Robust actions hmmmm. This is delta all over again

It appears more contagious that Delta but potentially not as virulent. We also handled Delta like champions due predominantly to high vaccination rates.

This is not an anti-vaxxer narrative.

‘We also handled Delta like champions due predominantly to high vaccination rates..’

No doubt you have factual data that proves this?
The population was locked up and isolated from each other you clown. Vaccinated people are dying. There is no proof that vaccination is the ‘champion’ ingredient.
You are an absolute myth mate, you avoid every legitimate argument that you don’t have a favourable answer for and divert to your standard reset responses of ‘politics’, ‘accepted science’ and all the cliché negative stigma crap.
You cherry pick your battles blatantly.
Constantly yelling that no one gets to claim false facts, but here you go doing that exact thing.
Full.Of.Crap.Earl.Compliance.Gov.

It was the lockdowns that stopped the spread, not the vaccines.

And if I understand it correctly, it is the vaccines reaching a high enough rate which will stop (or limit) the lockdowns.

 

[Eyeofthetiger 0]

Robust actions hmmmm. This is delta all over again

It appears more contagious that Delta but potentially not as virulent. We also handled Delta like champions due predominantly to high vaccination rates.

This is not an anti-vaxxer narrative.

‘We also handled Delta like champions due predominantly to high vaccination rates..’

No doubt you have factual data that proves this?
The population was locked up and isolated from each other you clown. Vaccinated people are dying. There is no proof that vaccination is the ‘champion’ ingredient.
You are an absolute myth mate, you avoid every legitimate argument that you don’t have a favourable answer for and divert to your standard reset responses of ‘politics’, ‘accepted science’ and all the cliché negative stigma crap.
You cherry pick your battles blatantly.
Constantly yelling that no one gets to claim false facts, but here you go doing that exact thing.
Full.Of.Crap.Earl.Compliance.Gov.

It was the lockdowns that stopped the spread, not the vaccines.

And if I understand it correctly, it is the vaccines reaching a high enough rate which will stop (or limit) the lockdowns.

The vaccines will be ineffective against Omicron, then back to lockdowns to stop the spread

 

[leichhardtjunior]

Robust actions hmmmm. This is delta all over again

It appears more contagious that Delta but potentially not as virulent. We also handled Delta like champions due predominantly to high vaccination rates.

This is not an anti-vaxxer narrative.

‘We also handled Delta like champions due predominantly to high vaccination rates..’

No doubt you have factual data that proves this?
The population was locked up and isolated from each other you clown. Vaccinated people are dying. There is no proof that vaccination is the ‘champion’ ingredient.
You are an absolute myth mate, you avoid every legitimate argument that you don’t have a favourable answer for and divert to your standard reset responses of ‘politics’, ‘accepted science’ and all the cliché negative stigma crap.
You cherry pick your battles blatantly.
Constantly yelling that no one gets to claim false facts, but here you go doing that exact thing.
Full.Of.Crap.Earl.Compliance.Gov.

It was the lockdowns that stopped the spread, not the vaccines.

And if I understand it correctly, it is the vaccines which will stop (or limit) the lockdowns.

Yep, that’s the carrot the government’s dangling to achieve their numbers.
Then we just accept the outbreaks among a vaccinated population, and deaths, and say lucky we’re all vaccinated or things would’ve been so much worse right ?
Earl.Gov will even present a peer reviewed ‘accepted study’ confirming the hypothetical disaster averted.

 

[JD Tiger]

Robust actions hmmmm. This is delta all over again

It appears more contagious that Delta but potentially not as virulent. We also handled Delta like champions due predominantly to high vaccination rates.

This is not an anti-vaxxer narrative.

‘We also handled Delta like champions due predominantly to high vaccination rates..’

No doubt you have factual data that proves this?
The population was locked up and isolated from each other you clown. Vaccinated people are dying. There is no proof that vaccination is the ‘champion’ ingredient.
You are an absolute myth mate, you avoid every legitimate argument that you don’t have a favourable answer for and divert to your standard reset responses of ‘politics’, ‘accepted science’ and all the cliché negative stigma crap.
You cherry pick your battles blatantly.
Constantly yelling that no one gets to claim false facts, but here you go doing that exact thing.
Full.Of.Crap.Earl.Compliance.Gov.

It was the lockdowns that stopped the spread, not the vaccines.

And if I understand it correctly, it is the vaccines reaching a high enough rate which will stop (or limit) the lockdowns.

The vaccines will be ineffective against Omicron, then back to lockdowns to stop the spread

Vaccinations might end up being ineffective vs omicron.

Really I'd expect our border control to be our best prevention strategy there. Not state borders, international borders.

 

[Eyeofthetiger 0]

Robust actions hmmmm. This is delta all over again

It appears more contagious that Delta but potentially not as virulent. We also handled Delta like champions due predominantly to high vaccination rates.

This is not an anti-vaxxer narrative.

‘We also handled Delta like champions due predominantly to high vaccination rates..’

No doubt you have factual data that proves this?
The population was locked up and isolated from each other you clown. Vaccinated people are dying. There is no proof that vaccination is the ‘champion’ ingredient.
You are an absolute myth mate, you avoid every legitimate argument that you don’t have a favourable answer for and divert to your standard reset responses of ‘politics’, ‘accepted science’ and all the cliché negative stigma crap.
You cherry pick your battles blatantly.
Constantly yelling that no one gets to claim false facts, but here you go doing that exact thing.
Full.Of.Crap.Earl.Compliance.Gov.

It was the lockdowns that stopped the spread, not the vaccines.

And if I understand it correctly, it is the vaccines reaching a high enough rate which will stop (or limit) the lockdowns.

The vaccines will be ineffective against Omicron, then back to lockdowns to stop the spread

Vaccinations might end up being ineffective vs omicron.

Really I'd expect our border control to be our best prevention strategy there. Not state borders, international borders.

It’s probably already too late. It’s here amongst us. We know already that it is more transmissible than Delta. If we lockdown again, I don’t see how the government can keep giving handouts. If you have a huge mortgage I feel for you.

 

[swag_tiger]

I think the vaccine did work against Delta and it showed it in the fact the cases started to drop as NSW went on the Vaccine blitz.

 

[Eyeofthetiger 0]

I think the vaccine did work against Delta and it showed it in the fact the cases started to drop as NSW went on the Vaccine blitz.

If we are lockdown, the virus can’t spread apart from your household.

 

[Eyeofthetiger 0]

I think the vaccine did work against Delta and it showed it in the fact the cases started to drop as NSW went on the Vaccine blitz.

If we are lockdown, the virus can’t spread apart from your household.

You can still get and transmit the virus with the vaccine. It’s far from a silver bullet.

 

[Harvey]

Burn the witches

I am watching a show on the universe. It's amazing how advanced we are and the smart people that are in the world.

Scientists sending satellites to the sun and taking pictures and sending it back to understand it.

Those same people must be in on the same conspiracy. They go through the same educational systems that the doctors and nurses and scientists that investigate modern medicine go through.

@Earl Space is pseudo science.
Are these the same scientists who say we can leave Earth, even though its a closed system?. The Dutch national musuem has your fake Moon rocks awaiting collection if you want souvenirs.

We have atmospheric pressure on Earth as gas can't escape.

Satellites are nothing more than high altitute ballons, blimps or light aircrafts. NASA consumes 90% of the Worlds Helium, and it's not due to them being in the kids party industry.

I don't need a .gov or .space website to use critical thinking.

Gravity went from a being a force, to a non force, but actual 'space time'.. Its pseudo science that has never been proven with a real life scientific experiment. Its a mathematical abstract model that lives in the mind.

But keep believing in the Moon landings, ISS floating out there in the middle of nowhere, and some Tesla drifting out in outter space to who knows where. Nothing will ever leave the Earths system. There are so many videos exposing these fake launches, ISS feeds etc. Its a comedy show.

"You can tell it's real because it looks so fake"
Yours truly,
-Elon Musk-

"Do not believe everything you read on the internet" - Abraham Lincoln, 1862

 

[TrueTiger]

Burn the witches

I am watching a show on the universe. It's amazing how advanced we are and the smart people that are in the world.

Scientists sending satellites to the sun and taking pictures and sending it back to understand it.

Those same people must be in on the same conspiracy. They go through the same educational systems that the doctors and nurses and scientists that investigate modern medicine go through.

@Earl Space is pseudo science.
Are these the same scientists who say we can leave Earth, even though its a closed system?. The Dutch national musuem has your fake Moon rocks awaiting collection if you want souvenirs.

We have atmospheric pressure on Earth as gas can't escape.

Satellites are nothing more than high altitute ballons, blimps or light aircrafts. NASA consumes 90% of the Worlds Helium, and it's not due to them being in the kids party industry.

I don't need a .gov or .space website to use critical thinking.

Gravity went from a being a force, to a non force, but actual 'space time'.. Its pseudo science that has never been proven with a real life scientific experiment. Its a mathematical abstract model that lives in the mind.

But keep believing in the Moon landings, ISS floating out there in the middle of nowhere, and some Tesla drifting out in outter space to who knows where. Nothing will ever leave the Earths system. There are so many videos exposing these fake launches, ISS feeds etc. Its a comedy show.

"You can tell it's real because it looks so fake"
Yours truly,
-Elon Musk-

"Do not believe everything you read on the internet" - Abraham Lincoln, 1862

Did Abraham have internet back then....gee we are an advanced mob...

 

[Harvey]

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/01/covid-19-variants-omicron-may-not-evolve-less-danger-time-nervtag-uk

Early testing results concerning that it’s not less dangerous……

Let's wait and see. I don't go for the dramatics. Calm, logical and rational.

What is interesting though is that your group seems to be all over the place:-

1. COVID isn't real.
2. PCR tests don't work.
3. The virus doesn't do any damage. 99.95% of people are okay.
4. Vaccines don't work.
5. The virus could mutate to be much more virulent.

The arguments aren't even internally consistent.

If I was an anti-vaxxer (and for instance I don't think the case for vaccinating kids is very strong) I'd argue that the risk-reward benefit for me is not in my favor and I am prepared to take the risk. That is a rational coherent argument. I've heard Kelly Slater and Joe Rogan state this argument. I don't agree with it but at least it's rational.

My concern with what you guys state is that it isn't factual. Most of the time it's nonsense.

What about unvaccinated people get COVID because of the vaccinated shedding it?

Can't work out whether it is comedy gold, paranoid delusion or understand alternate views.

 

[Harvey]

Stop playing it down. Read!
The scientists noted that firm data was not yet available but early analysis of the variant provided “sufficiently worrying signals” for them to recommend “early and robust actions to prevent introduction and onward transmission”.

I read the whole thing. I've also followed up the available information on this new variant.

The worrying signals are as I've previously stated the mutation to the spike protein and that it appears more transmissible.

No one is stating do nothing. We need some time to assess this.

Right now though it doesn't look that bad. You can make an argument that this could be the end of the bad portion of the pandemic.

I'll add that I don't think we can stop this. We couldn't stop Delta. I am hopeful though that it's not going to be as virulent.

I suppose we will all get a surprise Christmas present this year called Omicron

Its funny how some people who have a differing opinion than others in society are called MORONS ....

ANAGRAM OF the new varient ......

OMICRON =MORONIC.....😢

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