Coronavirus Outbreak

[BZN]

**The sooner people wake up that MSM and the Govt arent your friends the better off you will be...**
search Dr Dave Martin ....virologist.epidemologist and health insurance undertaker..
Dr Karen Kingston Pfiser employee who left after Pfiser paid out billions for fraudulent vaccine production that led to deaths and injuries...

The govt has secured 80 million doses of vaccines for all Aussies which equates to 2 doses per person per year for 7 years...

and most think its about health....careful what you wish for ...freedom doesnt exist when you have to conform to govt regulation when its on their terms...

my case was that I asked for a med exemption because of my blood clot history...I was told that the health advise has been re done that it is only possible to get an exemption if I had an adverse reaction from the first shot.....sort of defeats the purpose since I have genuine concern for my own health..

Iam no anti vaxer,but I certainly dont trust a drug that the Pharma wont know the result of until 2023 because it is still in an trial mode and under EUA that changes as the Govt sees fit to serve their narrative...

FOLLOW THE MONEY....

Ok, they aren’t my friends. Now what? How is my life going to change?

What a defeatist statement.
Pretty simple. It’s a numbers game. If enough people call bullshit and stop complying, the games over.

And all our grandparents die. Seems like a good solution. ?

Newsflash bro. All old people die. From lots of shit that isn’t our fault. You will too. And me. Try keeping ya shit together.

G'day you youngster @leichhardtjunior .
I'm an 'old people' being just on 75 yoa and I aint ready to die just yet.
When I am ready and if I am lucky enough to choose the time I die, I'll jump of a cliff or something.
Can I suggest you learn a few old peoples descriptive words, rather than your young peoples cool talk words that add nothing to good discussion.
Have a great day LJ :relaxed:

 

[swag_tiger]

Official government statistics as at 29.11.21

[Department of Health statistics](https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-case-numbers-and-statistics)

195,627 cases in Australians aged less than 70. 396 deaths. **Survival rate: 99.7976%**

11,596 cases in Australians aged greater than 70. 1,596 deaths. **Survival rate: 86.2366%**

Here is a scoop for free: old people die every day of the week.

MSM - Omicron is here. We are going to die.

And be very wary of the published "death rates". A very close friend of mine lost his mum recently. The usual accumulation of conditions that come with very old age. Once she had passed, the nurse in the hospital unit wanted to list the cause of death as covid. My friend didn't want this, because she didn't die from covid The nurse's logic ? . . . " she had breathing difficulties", and so she died from covid. I'm no doctor, but you'd think that most old folks on their last legs will have breathing difficulties. Now, I might be all conspiracy theory here, but it seems to me like they are trying to falsify death rates resulting from covid.
And strangely, with the media so hell bent on ravaging those who choose not to be vaxxed, it was confusing ( or misleading) when early in the piece, there were daily media reports of case numbers and deaths *from* *covid*. Then one day, out of the blue, there were case numbers, and just deaths. The inference of course was that they died from covid, but as ST said, old people die every day.
But surely they weren't lying about all them deaths that were reported by them to have been caused by covid ?
I look forward to the self appointed on here telling me where I'm wrong. It'll be interesting, coz I'm not wrong, but I look forward to the "education".

Funny thing that people who died of heart attack,stroke or car accidents were recorded deaths due to covid...
also the terminology they use...

DIED OF COVID....

DIED WITH COVID...
Can they please explain.....

Where did you get this information, I highly doubt they will record someone who died as a result of a car crash as dying with Covid. I call BS on that.

 

[TrueTiger]

Official government statistics as at 29.11.21

[Department of Health statistics](https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-case-numbers-and-statistics)

195,627 cases in Australians aged less than 70. 396 deaths. **Survival rate: 99.7976%**

11,596 cases in Australians aged greater than 70. 1,596 deaths. **Survival rate: 86.2366%**

Here is a scoop for free: old people die every day of the week.

MSM - Omicron is here. We are going to die.

And be very wary of the published "death rates". A very close friend of mine lost his mum recently. The usual accumulation of conditions that come with very old age. Once she had passed, the nurse in the hospital unit wanted to list the cause of death as covid. My friend didn't want this, because she didn't die from covid The nurse's logic ? . . . " she had breathing difficulties", and so she died from covid. I'm no doctor, but you'd think that most old folks on their last legs will have breathing difficulties. Now, I might be all conspiracy theory here, but it seems to me like they are trying to falsify death rates resulting from covid.
And strangely, with the media so hell bent on ravaging those who choose not to be vaxxed, it was confusing ( or misleading) when early in the piece, there were daily media reports of case numbers and deaths *from* *covid*. Then one day, out of the blue, there were case numbers, and just deaths. The inference of course was that they died from covid, but as ST said, old people die every day.
But surely they weren't lying about all them deaths that were reported by them to have been caused by covid ?
I look forward to the self appointed on here telling me where I'm wrong. It'll be interesting, coz I'm not wrong, but I look forward to the "education".

Funny thing that people who died of heart attack,stroke or car accidents were recorded deaths due to covid...
also the terminology they use...

DIED OF COVID....

DIED WITH COVID...
Can they please explain.....

Where did you get this information, I highly doubt they will record someone who died as a result of a car crash as dying with Covid. I call BS on that.

Call it what you like ...do your research ...I had to...

 

[swag_tiger]

Official government statistics as at 29.11.21

[Department of Health statistics](https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-case-numbers-and-statistics)

195,627 cases in Australians aged less than 70. 396 deaths. **Survival rate: 99.7976%**

11,596 cases in Australians aged greater than 70. 1,596 deaths. **Survival rate: 86.2366%**

Here is a scoop for free: old people die every day of the week.

MSM - Omicron is here. We are going to die.

And be very wary of the published "death rates". A very close friend of mine lost his mum recently. The usual accumulation of conditions that come with very old age. Once she had passed, the nurse in the hospital unit wanted to list the cause of death as covid. My friend didn't want this, because she didn't die from covid The nurse's logic ? . . . " she had breathing difficulties", and so she died from covid. I'm no doctor, but you'd think that most old folks on their last legs will have breathing difficulties. Now, I might be all conspiracy theory here, but it seems to me like they are trying to falsify death rates resulting from covid.
And strangely, with the media so hell bent on ravaging those who choose not to be vaxxed, it was confusing ( or misleading) when early in the piece, there were daily media reports of case numbers and deaths *from* *covid*. Then one day, out of the blue, there were case numbers, and just deaths. The inference of course was that they died from covid, but as ST said, old people die every day.
But surely they weren't lying about all them deaths that were reported by them to have been caused by covid ?
I look forward to the self appointed on here telling me where I'm wrong. It'll be interesting, coz I'm not wrong, but I look forward to the "education".

Funny thing that people who died of heart attack,stroke or car accidents were recorded deaths due to covid...
also the terminology they use...

DIED OF COVID....

DIED WITH COVID...
Can they please explain.....

Where did you get this information, I highly doubt they will record someone who died as a result of a car crash as dying with Covid. I call BS on that.

Call it what you like ...do your research ...I had to...

Did you look at it from both points of view or did you just search up what you wanted to see? To do research properly you need both sides. Searching just want you want to be true is biased research.

 

[TrueTiger]

Official government statistics as at 29.11.21

[Department of Health statistics](https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-case-numbers-and-statistics)

195,627 cases in Australians aged less than 70. 396 deaths. **Survival rate: 99.7976%**

11,596 cases in Australians aged greater than 70. 1,596 deaths. **Survival rate: 86.2366%**

Here is a scoop for free: old people die every day of the week.

MSM - Omicron is here. We are going to die.

And be very wary of the published "death rates". A very close friend of mine lost his mum recently. The usual accumulation of conditions that come with very old age. Once she had passed, the nurse in the hospital unit wanted to list the cause of death as covid. My friend didn't want this, because she didn't die from covid The nurse's logic ? . . . " she had breathing difficulties", and so she died from covid. I'm no doctor, but you'd think that most old folks on their last legs will have breathing difficulties. Now, I might be all conspiracy theory here, but it seems to me like they are trying to falsify death rates resulting from covid.
And strangely, with the media so hell bent on ravaging those who choose not to be vaxxed, it was confusing ( or misleading) when early in the piece, there were daily media reports of case numbers and deaths *from* *covid*. Then one day, out of the blue, there were case numbers, and just deaths. The inference of course was that they died from covid, but as ST said, old people die every day.
But surely they weren't lying about all them deaths that were reported by them to have been caused by covid ?
I look forward to the self appointed on here telling me where I'm wrong. It'll be interesting, coz I'm not wrong, but I look forward to the "education".

Funny thing that people who died of heart attack,stroke or car accidents were recorded deaths due to covid...
also the terminology they use...

DIED OF COVID....

DIED WITH COVID...
Can they please explain.....

Where did you get this information, I highly doubt they will record someone who died as a result of a car crash as dying with Covid. I call BS on that.

Call it what you like ...do your research ...I had to...

Did you look at it from both points of view or did you just search up what you wanted to see? To do research properly you need both sides. Searching just want you want to be true is biased research.

Heres a hint swag...I do see both sides of the argument or otherwise I would be biased...
Dr Fauci the child,dog killer stopped Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) and HLQ so he could promote an experimental vaccine on the people because he is a corupt health expert...he told the hospitals in the USA to use a drug called Remdesiver and put people on ventalators...that was a death sentence because Rem has a mortality rate of 54% when used with ventilators...
once again swag,I did my research and it was difficult to fathom the evil crap that some people in high places have...
Drs were told that the hospitals would receive $$$ to record as many deaths as possible down to covid so they could push the vax....
funny how the polititions are mandating the vax and segregating the communities,however more and more people are waking up...
do some reasearch..Dr Dave Martin..Prof Yeadon.. Dr K. Kingston....they could help you understand...

 

[swag_tiger]

Official government statistics as at 29.11.21

[Department of Health statistics](https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-case-numbers-and-statistics)

195,627 cases in Australians aged less than 70. 396 deaths. **Survival rate: 99.7976%**

11,596 cases in Australians aged greater than 70. 1,596 deaths. **Survival rate: 86.2366%**

Here is a scoop for free: old people die every day of the week.

MSM - Omicron is here. We are going to die.

And be very wary of the published "death rates". A very close friend of mine lost his mum recently. The usual accumulation of conditions that come with very old age. Once she had passed, the nurse in the hospital unit wanted to list the cause of death as covid. My friend didn't want this, because she didn't die from covid The nurse's logic ? . . . " she had breathing difficulties", and so she died from covid. I'm no doctor, but you'd think that most old folks on their last legs will have breathing difficulties. Now, I might be all conspiracy theory here, but it seems to me like they are trying to falsify death rates resulting from covid.
And strangely, with the media so hell bent on ravaging those who choose not to be vaxxed, it was confusing ( or misleading) when early in the piece, there were daily media reports of case numbers and deaths *from* *covid*. Then one day, out of the blue, there were case numbers, and just deaths. The inference of course was that they died from covid, but as ST said, old people die every day.
But surely they weren't lying about all them deaths that were reported by them to have been caused by covid ?
I look forward to the self appointed on here telling me where I'm wrong. It'll be interesting, coz I'm not wrong, but I look forward to the "education".

Funny thing that people who died of heart attack,stroke or car accidents were recorded deaths due to covid...
also the terminology they use...

DIED OF COVID....

DIED WITH COVID...
Can they please explain.....

Where did you get this information, I highly doubt they will record someone who died as a result of a car crash as dying with Covid. I call BS on that.

Call it what you like ...do your research ...I had to...

Did you look at it from both points of view or did you just search up what you wanted to see? To do research properly you need both sides. Searching just want you want to be true is biased research.

Heres a hint swag...I do see both sides of the argument or otherwise I would be biased...
Dr Fauci the child,dog killer stopped Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) and HLQ so he could promote an experimental vaccine on the people because he is a corupt health expert...he told the hospitals in the USA to use a drug called Remdesiver and put people on ventalators...that was a death sentence because Rem has a mortality rate of 54% when used with ventilators...
once again swag,I did my research and it was difficult to fathom the evil crap that some people in high places have...
Drs were told that the hospitals would receive $$$ to record as many deaths as possible down to covid so they could push the vax....
funny how the polititions are mandating the vax and segregating the communities,however more and more people are waking up...
do some reasearch..Dr Dave Martin..Prof Yeadon.. Dr K. Kingston....they could help you understand...

So you're saying there's no way what you are saying I wrong what so ever.

 

[TrueTiger]

Official government statistics as at 29.11.21

[Department of Health statistics](https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-case-numbers-and-statistics)

195,627 cases in Australians aged less than 70. 396 deaths. **Survival rate: 99.7976%**

11,596 cases in Australians aged greater than 70. 1,596 deaths. **Survival rate: 86.2366%**

Here is a scoop for free: old people die every day of the week.

MSM - Omicron is here. We are going to die.

And be very wary of the published "death rates". A very close friend of mine lost his mum recently. The usual accumulation of conditions that come with very old age. Once she had passed, the nurse in the hospital unit wanted to list the cause of death as covid. My friend didn't want this, because she didn't die from covid The nurse's logic ? . . . " she had breathing difficulties", and so she died from covid. I'm no doctor, but you'd think that most old folks on their last legs will have breathing difficulties. Now, I might be all conspiracy theory here, but it seems to me like they are trying to falsify death rates resulting from covid.
And strangely, with the media so hell bent on ravaging those who choose not to be vaxxed, it was confusing ( or misleading) when early in the piece, there were daily media reports of case numbers and deaths *from* *covid*. Then one day, out of the blue, there were case numbers, and just deaths. The inference of course was that they died from covid, but as ST said, old people die every day.
But surely they weren't lying about all them deaths that were reported by them to have been caused by covid ?
I look forward to the self appointed on here telling me where I'm wrong. It'll be interesting, coz I'm not wrong, but I look forward to the "education".

Funny thing that people who died of heart attack,stroke or car accidents were recorded deaths due to covid...
also the terminology they use...

DIED OF COVID....

DIED WITH COVID...
Can they please explain.....

Where did you get this information, I highly doubt they will record someone who died as a result of a car crash as dying with Covid. I call BS on that.

Call it what you like ...do your research ...I had to...

Did you look at it from both points of view or did you just search up what you wanted to see? To do research properly you need both sides. Searching just want you want to be true is biased research.

Heres a hint swag...I do see both sides of the argument or otherwise I would be biased...
Dr Fauci the child,dog killer stopped Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) and HLQ so he could promote an experimental vaccine on the people because he is a corupt health expert...he told the hospitals in the USA to use a drug called Remdesiver and put people on ventalators...that was a death sentence because Rem has a mortality rate of 54% when used with ventilators...
once again swag,I did my research and it was difficult to fathom the evil crap that some people in high places have...
Drs were told that the hospitals would receive $$$ to record as many deaths as possible down to covid so they could push the vax....
funny how the polititions are mandating the vax and segregating the communities,however more and more people are waking up...
do some reasearch..Dr Dave Martin..Prof Yeadon.. Dr K. Kingston....they could help you understand...

So you're saying there's no way what you are saying I wrong what so ever.

Can you type in English mate...
I never said you were wrong...just do some research and find some truth...
MSM and the Govt arent our friends they are paid big money to sell the vax to the people...
you have an opinion and I respect that...so do I and I mentioned some names to research so you can find more out about this so called virus and the vax...

 

[BAGNF05]

FFS I love the older generation as much as anyone. F$&k I’m next in line, you don’t think that resonates? If this was Ebola or some strain that killed 50% it’d be different. But it’s not. It kill’s old and or sick people. EVERYTHING kills old and sick people. It’s called life. Where does this end?
I remember when I was a 10yo kid, doing backflips of the 10m tower at Leichhardt pool. Back then the rule was if you climbed up, you weren’t allowed down unless you jumped. These days you need a diving degree to use the 1m board.
My point is that the choice and freedom to express yourself and experience the results of YOUR decisions has been systematically eroded within my lifetime, to a point where I’m now arguing to maintain any form of individuality.
Im an old dad and I have a young daughter who I want desperately to have as good if not better childhood experiences as I did. But when I think about it there’s no way she will because she’s not allowed to be herself. And that makes me really sad. Because I did. And you’re pop did. But now she’s gotta think about them, so she can’t.
Freedom is the thing that separates us from the pack. Real freedom is what it means to be human.
I mean I can choose not to be here anymore if I don’t don’t want to. It sounds morbid but that’s what real freedom is. You can’t control other people, and nor should you. It’s winning and losing. Ying and Yang. You can’t win by trying not to loose.

Maybe if I was in your shoes I would share your view, I concede that much

 

[swag_tiger]

Official government statistics as at 29.11.21

[Department of Health statistics](https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-case-numbers-and-statistics)

195,627 cases in Australians aged less than 70. 396 deaths. **Survival rate: 99.7976%**

11,596 cases in Australians aged greater than 70. 1,596 deaths. **Survival rate: 86.2366%**

Here is a scoop for free: old people die every day of the week.

MSM - Omicron is here. We are going to die.

And be very wary of the published "death rates". A very close friend of mine lost his mum recently. The usual accumulation of conditions that come with very old age. Once she had passed, the nurse in the hospital unit wanted to list the cause of death as covid. My friend didn't want this, because she didn't die from covid The nurse's logic ? . . . " she had breathing difficulties", and so she died from covid. I'm no doctor, but you'd think that most old folks on their last legs will have breathing difficulties. Now, I might be all conspiracy theory here, but it seems to me like they are trying to falsify death rates resulting from covid.
And strangely, with the media so hell bent on ravaging those who choose not to be vaxxed, it was confusing ( or misleading) when early in the piece, there were daily media reports of case numbers and deaths *from* *covid*. Then one day, out of the blue, there were case numbers, and just deaths. The inference of course was that they died from covid, but as ST said, old people die every day.
But surely they weren't lying about all them deaths that were reported by them to have been caused by covid ?
I look forward to the self appointed on here telling me where I'm wrong. It'll be interesting, coz I'm not wrong, but I look forward to the "education".

Funny thing that people who died of heart attack,stroke or car accidents were recorded deaths due to covid...
also the terminology they use...

DIED OF COVID....

DIED WITH COVID...
Can they please explain.....

Where did you get this information, I highly doubt they will record someone who died as a result of a car crash as dying with Covid. I call BS on that.

Call it what you like ...do your research ...I had to...

Did you look at it from both points of view or did you just search up what you wanted to see? To do research properly you need both sides. Searching just want you want to be true is biased research.

Heres a hint swag...I do see both sides of the argument or otherwise I would be biased...
Dr Fauci the child,dog killer stopped Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) and HLQ so he could promote an experimental vaccine on the people because he is a corupt health expert...he told the hospitals in the USA to use a drug called Remdesiver and put people on ventalators...that was a death sentence because Rem has a mortality rate of 54% when used with ventilators...
once again swag,I did my research and it was difficult to fathom the evil crap that some people in high places have...
Drs were told that the hospitals would receive $$$ to record as many deaths as possible down to covid so they could push the vax....
funny how the polititions are mandating the vax and segregating the communities,however more and more people are waking up...
do some reasearch..Dr Dave Martin..Prof Yeadon.. Dr K. Kingston....they could help you understand...

So you're saying there's no way what you are saying I wrong what so ever.

Can you type in English mate...
I never said you were wrong...just do some research and find some truth...
MSM and the Govt arent our friends they are paid big money to sell the vax to the people...
you have an opinion and I respect that...so do I and I mentioned some names to research so you can find more out about this so called virus and the vax...

How inflated do you think the deaths in NSW are if it wasn't over 140 in the last lockdown. What do you think the real death rate was during the lockdown?

 

[BZN]

**The sooner people wake up that MSM and the Govt arent your friends the better off you will be...**
search Dr Dave Martin ....virologist.epidemologist and health insurance undertaker..
Dr Karen Kingston Pfiser employee who left after Pfiser paid out billions for fraudulent vaccine production that led to deaths and injuries...

The govt has secured 80 million doses of vaccines for all Aussies which equates to 2 doses per person per year for 7 years...

and most think its about health....careful what you wish for ...freedom doesnt exist when you have to conform to govt regulation when its on their terms...

my case was that I asked for a med exemption because of my blood clot history...I was told that the health advise has been re done that it is only possible to get an exemption if I had an adverse reaction from the first shot.....sort of defeats the purpose since I have genuine concern for my own health..

Iam no anti vaxer,but I certainly dont trust a drug that the Pharma wont know the result of until 2023 because it is still in an trial mode and under EUA that changes as the Govt sees fit to serve their narrative...

FOLLOW THE MONEY....

Ok, they aren’t my friends. Now what? How is my life going to change?

What a defeatist statement.
Pretty simple. It’s a numbers game. If enough people call bullshit and stop complying, the games over.

And all our grandparents die. Seems like a good solution. ?

Newsflash bro. All old people die. From lots of shit that isn’t our fault. You will too. And me. Try keeping ya shit together.

Haha. And most people try to stay alive too where it’s possible. Your compassion is remarkable.

So I’m confused. Are you saying the vaccines do or don’t work???

They lower transmission and the risk of death. They do not eliminate Covid if that’s what you expected them to do. Same with lockdowns and restrictions. They give your pop a better chance of survival. It’s not an absolute science, it’s a game of giving a f$&@ about others.

Bro seriously, do the maths.
THESE VACCINES provide the biggest protection on a personal level. In terms of transmission, it’s minimal.
And with a strain that has an R0 value (transmissibility) as high as Delta, with exponential growth, THESE VACCINES have a minor impact on a community level. That’s a mathematical fact.
So what YOU’RE proposing is that healthy young STATISTICALLY NOT AT RISK citizens should take on a guilt driven responsibility to take a vaccine they don’t need to reduce the mathematically negligible potential of a vaccinated person being infected.
And you actually claim to give a f$&@ about others!!??

I did the maths and decided it was right for me, nothing to do with guilt, more about love.

Each to their own as I always say. If you don’t get the jab, your choice, not sure I understand talking people out of it though? ??‍♂️

And power to you, sincerely. Your choice.
Not sure why you assume I’ve ever talked anyone out of it though? I haven’t.
Im not and never have opposed your right to choice.
You assume because I don’t agree EVERYONE should have to do it, that I resent you for doing it.
You’re wrong.
It’s hard to understand a minority mindset until you’re in it. I oppose those who expect conformity, not those who choose differently.

You said if enough people call bullshit and stop complying games over. That’s where we disagree. I think that would have been disastrous pre-current vaccine rate. Lots of countries had that experience. I’m proud of our country for keeping this thing largely at bay.

Everyone’s going to get it mate, and 99% will survive.
Vaccination probably won’t change that much because those at serious risk will still die anyway. They would’ve sooner or later without it.
Do you think it’s fair for people to live in lockdown for old sick people to hang on a bit longer?
Let them lockdown so the kids can enjoy their turn.
I know I would for my daughter.
Would you?

I still dont understand that this so called virus that suddenly mutates at convenient times becomes more deadly and transmissable than the last one,when science has proven that the viruses when mutated gets weaker...
I also recall it is just slightly more severe than the normal flu we get year round,however that normal flu that just happens to have completely disappeared the last two years only needed a yearly flu shot for it if you wanted it..
now apparently you need 2 shots and whatever amount of boosters annually to overcome this so called virus....

In 2019 in Australia there were 360,000 cases of the flu and it killed 4400 people,many people died annually from the influenza virus,many elder folk and younger...
Many people got the flu and rode it out without vaxxes..
suddenly this thing with a 99.95% survival rate needs so many vax shots...? Also the plan is if you dont get your first booster shot after double vaccination you will be considered unvaxxed...there goes the freedom again...
follow the money...govt...big pharma....

G'day @TrueTiger
How come this old chestnut is still being quoted "that normal flu that just happens to have completely disappeared the last two years".
Did you have your flu shot this year?
I did, as well as my two Covid vaccinations and with zero side effects.
I reckon all the extra hand sanitizing and mask wearing 'must have' had an effect on the amount of flu cases reported.
And maybe the Covid vax is fighting the flu virus as well for those that have been vaxed but dont normally get the flu jab.

 

[BZN]

Early testing results concerning that it’s not less dangerous……

Did you read the article. It doesn't state what you are stating. It's stating we can't be too confident just yet.

So far and it's extremely preliminary but this may be less virulent and more contagious. Immunity via vaccination and via contracting COVID also appears to be reasonably good in that people aren't getting extremely sick. Considering in a lot of countries we have 90%+ of people with antibodies this could be the end of the pandemic.

The article is just stating that we need to not be too happy about this situation just yet because we don't have the data.

Just as a side point we have very little information about reactions from people who don't have anti-bodies. That means the most at risk are the unvaccinated who haven't contracted the disease.

Yep Imo you are correct @Earl
The unvaccinated are playing russian roulette with Covid as the ammo.

 

[BZN]

**The sooner people wake up that MSM and the Govt arent your friends the better off you will be...**
search Dr Dave Martin ....virologist.epidemologist and health insurance undertaker..
Dr Karen Kingston Pfiser employee who left after Pfiser paid out billions for fraudulent vaccine production that led to deaths and injuries...

The govt has secured 80 million doses of vaccines for all Aussies which equates to 2 doses per person per year for 7 years...

and most think its about health....careful what you wish for ...freedom doesnt exist when you have to conform to govt regulation when its on their terms...

my case was that I asked for a med exemption because of my blood clot history...I was told that the health advise has been re done that it is only possible to get an exemption if I had an adverse reaction from the first shot.....sort of defeats the purpose since I have genuine concern for my own health..

Iam no anti vaxer,but I certainly dont trust a drug that the Pharma wont know the result of until 2023 because it is still in an trial mode and under EUA that changes as the Govt sees fit to serve their narrative...

FOLLOW THE MONEY....

Ok, they aren’t my friends. Now what? How is my life going to change?

What a defeatist statement.
Pretty simple. It’s a numbers game. If enough people call bullshit and stop complying, the games over.

And all our grandparents die. Seems like a good solution. ?

Newsflash bro. All old people die. From lots of shit that isn’t our fault. You will too. And me. Try keeping ya shit together.

Haha. And most people try to stay alive too where it’s possible. Your compassion is remarkable.

So I’m confused. Are you saying the vaccines do or don’t work???

They lower transmission and the risk of death. They do not eliminate Covid if that’s what you expected them to do. Same with lockdowns and restrictions. They give your pop a better chance of survival. It’s not an absolute science, it’s a game of giving a f$&@ about others.

We shall see soon enough how effective the vaccine you took will fair against Omicron. Otherwise, the vaccine you took was a waste of time.

You do know there's something called mutations. It happens to viruses too if they are given the right environment. There's no way to predict how they change, its nothing to do with a poor vaccine.

Seriously Swag, what’s it like always being the scaredest person in the room ?

I'm not scared, I'm doing it because I have 2 friends who have a compromised immune system, a uncle with Cerebal palsy and Grandparents In their 80's.

And I have no issue with your decision.
You know you can still contract and transmit though right? My point being at some point you have to come to terms with the fact that THESE VACCINES can’t save them from you or the world. It’s your right to choose to take on that responsibility for your own reasons, but you’re setting yourself up for a massive hospital pass running that line mate. If you truly feel that level of responsibility for their fate, you should cut contact all together. But what sort of life is that right? For them or you. It’s an admirable gesture, but you can’t save everyone you love. Life takes the best of them for the wrong reasons. Our times will come too. That’s no one else’s fault.

For me personally a bit of irony with the use of the word "hospital" in your post @leichhardtjunior , as you would know our Hospitals have far to many Covid patients being treated in ICU's.

 

[innsaneink]

Official government statistics as at 29.11.21

[Department of Health statistics](https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-case-numbers-and-statistics)

195,627 cases in Australians aged less than 70. 396 deaths. **Survival rate: 99.7976%**

11,596 cases in Australians aged greater than 70. 1,596 deaths. **Survival rate: 86.2366%**

Here is a scoop for free: old people die every day of the week.

MSM - Omicron is here. We are going to die.

And be very wary of the published "death rates". A very close friend of mine lost his mum recently. The usual accumulation of conditions that come with very old age. Once she had passed, the nurse in the hospital unit wanted to list the cause of death as covid. My friend didn't want this, because she didn't die from covid The nurse's logic ? . . . " she had breathing difficulties", and so she died from covid. I'm no doctor, but you'd think that most old folks on their last legs will have breathing difficulties. Now, I might be all conspiracy theory here, but it seems to me like they are trying to falsify death rates resulting from covid.
And strangely, with the media so hell bent on ravaging those who choose not to be vaxxed, it was confusing ( or misleading) when early in the piece, there were daily media reports of case numbers and deaths *from* *covid*. Then one day, out of the blue, there were case numbers, and just deaths. The inference of course was that they died from covid, but as ST said, old people die every day.
But surely they weren't lying about all them deaths that were reported by them to have been caused by covid ?
I look forward to the self appointed on here telling me where I'm wrong. It'll be interesting, coz I'm not wrong, but I look forward to the "education".

Funny thing that people who died of heart attack,stroke or car accidents were recorded deaths due to covid...
also the terminology they use...

DIED OF COVID....

DIED WITH COVID...
Can they please explain.....

Where did you get this information, I highly doubt they will record someone who died as a result of a car crash as dying with Covid. I call BS on that.

Call it what you like ...do your research ...I had to...

Did you look at it from both points of view or did you just search up what you wanted to see? To do research properly you need both sides. Searching just want you want to be true is biased research.

Heres a hint swag...I do see both sides of the argument or otherwise I would be biased...
Dr Fauci the child,dog killer stopped Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) and HLQ so he could promote an experimental vaccine on the people because he is a corupt health expert...he told the hospitals in the USA to use a drug called Remdesiver and put people on ventalators...that was a death sentence because Rem has a mortality rate of 54% when used with ventilators...
once again swag,I did my research and it was difficult to fathom the evil crap that some people in high places have...
Drs were told that the hospitals would receive $$$ to record as many deaths as possible down to covid so they could push the vax....
funny how the polititions are mandating the vax and segregating the communities,however more and more people are waking up...
do some reasearch..Dr Dave Martin..Prof Yeadon.. Dr K. Kingston....they could help you understand...

So you're saying there's no way what you are saying I wrong what so ever.

Can you type in English mate...
I never said you were wrong...just do some research and find some truth...
MSM and the Govt arent our friends they are paid big money to sell the vax to the people...
you have an opinion and I respect that...so do I and I mentioned some names to research so you can find more out about this so called virus and the vax...

The 8th omicron case (regents Pk Christian school) and his mum are both positive... The entire family is quarantine now... Theyre all ver good friends of ours, live round the corner... My missus is cooking a huge pot of food for them
I'm very very glad they're all vaccinated

 

[BZN]

Robust actions hmmmm. This is delta all over again

It appears more contagious that Delta but potentially not as virulent. We also handled Delta like champions due predominantly to high vaccination rates.

This is not an anti-vaxxer narrative.

‘We also handled Delta like champions due predominantly to high vaccination rates..’

No doubt you have factual data that proves this?
The population was locked up and isolated from each other you clown. Vaccinated people are dying. There is no proof that vaccination is the ‘champion’ ingredient.
You are an absolute myth mate, you avoid every legitimate argument that you don’t have a favourable answer for and divert to your standard reset responses of ‘politics’, ‘accepted science’ and all the cliché negative stigma crap.
You cherry pick your battles blatantly.
Constantly yelling that no one gets to claim false facts, but here you go doing that exact thing.
Full.Of.Crap.Earl.Compliance.Gov.

It was the lockdowns that stopped the spread, not the vaccines.

And if I understand it correctly, it is the vaccines reaching a high enough rate which will stop (or limit) the lockdowns.

The vaccines will be ineffective against Omicron, then back to lockdowns to stop the spread

WoW!!! for such a strong statement as "the vaccine will be ineffective against Omicron" @Eyeofthetiger-0 you must know someone special that can supply you with the proof of this and not being available to most other ordinary people.

 

[BZN]

Burn the witches

I am watching a show on the universe. It's amazing how advanced we are and the smart people that are in the world.

Scientists sending satellites to the sun and taking pictures and sending it back to understand it.

Those same people must be in on the same conspiracy. They go through the same educational systems that the doctors and nurses and scientists that investigate modern medicine go through.

@Earl Space is pseudo science.
Are these the same scientists who say we can leave Earth, even though its a closed system?. The Dutch national musuem has your fake Moon rocks awaiting collection if you want souvenirs.

We have atmospheric pressure on Earth as gas can't escape.

Satellites are nothing more than high altitute ballons, blimps or light aircrafts. NASA consumes 90% of the Worlds Helium, and it's not due to them being in the kids party industry.

I don't need a .gov or .space website to use critical thinking.

Gravity went from a being a force, to a non force, but actual 'space time'.. Its pseudo science that has never been proven with a real life scientific experiment. Its a mathematical abstract model that lives in the mind.

But keep believing in the Moon landings, ISS floating out there in the middle of nowhere, and some Tesla drifting out in outter space to who knows where. Nothing will ever leave the Earths system. There are so many videos exposing these fake launches, ISS feeds etc. Its a comedy show.

"You can tell it's real because it looks so fake"
Yours truly,
-Elon Musk-

"Do not believe everything you read on the internet" - Abraham Lincoln, 1862

:clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[BZN]

The way people are talking in here is as if it's a repeat of the pandemic of 1349. I know of nobody who is diseased and none of them know of anyone who is diseased either. It looks like a lot of people have been sucked in by the MSM.

G'day from one Mighty Magpie to another @Trevros .
My wife's Cousin and her husband were both fully vaccinated and caught Covid. The husband was a little bit crook for a couple of weeks but has recovered. The cousin ended up in the ICU for a couple of weeks and was very near death but fought back and is now recovering at home. She did have an existing lung condition and would no doubt have died if she had not been vaccinated.

Glad to hear she recovered mate.

Thanks @JD-Tiger I'll pass your message on to her.

 

[leichhardtjunior]

@leichhardtjunior - I've done the research for you and hopefully you read and understand this prior to posting again.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/testing.html

CDC’s newest laboratory test, detects two types of influenza viruses (A and B) and SARS-CoV-2 at the same time. This test is called the CDC Influenza SARS-CoV-2 (Flu SC2) Multiplex Assay.

Although the CDC 2019 nCoV Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel filled an important unmet need when it was developed and deployed in early 2020, the demand for this test has declined due to the authorization of higher-throughput alternatives and multiplexed assays that detect both SARS-CoV-2 and other common respiratory pathogens simultaneously. For this reason, CDC will discontinue the 2019 nCoV Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel after December 31, 2021.

As the test is still performing very well,

In layman terms what has happened is that the test has been improved so they are phasing out one test and adding in another test. The initial test though is still performing well.

There is no issue at all from a layman's perspective and if you think there is you don't understand the science and therefore you shouldn't comment on it.

As validated by @Earl.gov ???

Just a friendly reminder LJ, i have been interested with what you have been posting and it makes a good discussion, but mate, these sort of replies are just not helpful with anything.

I think if you look hard enough there’s a message there FT. I’ll admit that my old mate Earl rubbed me up the wrong way from the start with his condescending stigmatisation (Pro freedom / Anti science) implying that anyone that objects to the human and social rights aspect of this issue is inherently devoid of any capacity for science. I take your point in that two wrongs don’t make a right, but there’s a big part of me that believes fiercely in the importance of calling this kind of ignorance out, and I make no apology for that.
I’m not going to lie, I don’t like what Earl’s about because he comes off as though he has a mortgage on what’s correct or incorrect based on ‘accepted science’. The truth is that there is unlimited science out there that is supported by top scientists and doctors worldwide that is systematically ignored by the ‘accepted mainstream platforms’ for reasons that absolutely require questioning for purpose of transparency if nothing else. Earl claims to be about the science but to me he seems emotionally compromised by the source.
In my opinion, Intelligence isn’t about how much you think you know, it’s an ability to question everything you think you know.
I don’t have an accepted peer reviewed study on that though so take it for what you will.
Again though, you’re point is taken FT, and time to move on from this impasse.


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Good quality post @leichhardtjunior .
Just one comment ... I like @Earl .
I find him interesting. He says what he feels and isn't abusive.

Each to their own Maggy, I personally find him arrogant, narcissistic and condescending because he’s constant with the smug negative stigmatisation’s of those who oppose his opinions. He claims to have the absolute answers based on ‘the absolute science’, but as many on here understand, that’s not a thing.
Anyway, thats the beautiful reality of life. We’re not all meant to agree or like each other, nor can we. Because life’s ‘absolutely’ subjective and anyone who doesn’t get that…. well, just know that you’re WRONG !! ??
Take it easy Magg’s

 

[Eyeofthetiger 0]

Robust actions hmmmm. This is delta all over again

It appears more contagious that Delta but potentially not as virulent. We also handled Delta like champions due predominantly to high vaccination rates.

This is not an anti-vaxxer narrative.

‘We also handled Delta like champions due predominantly to high vaccination rates..’

No doubt you have factual data that proves this?
The population was locked up and isolated from each other you clown. Vaccinated people are dying. There is no proof that vaccination is the ‘champion’ ingredient.
You are an absolute myth mate, you avoid every legitimate argument that you don’t have a favourable answer for and divert to your standard reset responses of ‘politics’, ‘accepted science’ and all the cliché negative stigma crap.
You cherry pick your battles blatantly.
Constantly yelling that no one gets to claim false facts, but here you go doing that exact thing.
Full.Of.Crap.Earl.Compliance.Gov.

It was the lockdowns that stopped the spread, not the vaccines.

And if I understand it correctly, it is the vaccines reaching a high enough rate which will stop (or limit) the lockdowns.

The vaccines will be ineffective against Omicron, then back to lockdowns to stop the spread

WoW!!! for such a strong statement as "the vaccine will be ineffective against Omicron" @Eyeofthetiger-0 you must know someone special that can supply you with the proof of this and not being available to most other ordinary people.

It’s simple logic. Just take the blinkers off and take a look around. This corona crap has no end in sight.

 

[leichhardtjunior]

**The sooner people wake up that MSM and the Govt arent your friends the better off you will be...**
search Dr Dave Martin ....virologist.epidemologist and health insurance undertaker..
Dr Karen Kingston Pfiser employee who left after Pfiser paid out billions for fraudulent vaccine production that led to deaths and injuries...

The govt has secured 80 million doses of vaccines for all Aussies which equates to 2 doses per person per year for 7 years...

and most think its about health....careful what you wish for ...freedom doesnt exist when you have to conform to govt regulation when its on their terms...

my case was that I asked for a med exemption because of my blood clot history...I was told that the health advise has been re done that it is only possible to get an exemption if I had an adverse reaction from the first shot.....sort of defeats the purpose since I have genuine concern for my own health..

Iam no anti vaxer,but I certainly dont trust a drug that the Pharma wont know the result of until 2023 because it is still in an trial mode and under EUA that changes as the Govt sees fit to serve their narrative...

FOLLOW THE MONEY....

Ok, they aren’t my friends. Now what? How is my life going to change?

What a defeatist statement.
Pretty simple. It’s a numbers game. If enough people call bullshit and stop complying, the games over.

Oh please

Remind me never to be in the trenches with you

Damn. I’m definitely not going to sleep tonight knowing that.

Try BEX

WAS a Leichhardt Junior Maggy… ?

 

[BZN]

The way people are talking in here is as if it's a repeat of the pandemic of 1349. I know of nobody who is diseased and none of them know of anyone who is diseased either. It looks like a lot of people have been sucked in by the MSM.

G'day from one Mighty Magpie to another @Trevros .
My wife's Cousin and her husband were both fully vaccinated and caught Covid. The husband was a little bit crook for a couple of weeks but has recovered. The cousin ended up in the ICU for a couple of weeks and was very near death but fought back and is now recovering at home. She did have an existing lung condition and would no doubt have died if she had not been vaccinated.


Pleased to hear it mate.Having the vaccine certainly paid off for that family and i am sure many others.

Thanks @jadtiger this particular lady was featured in a video via The Age newspaper [Melbourne] and is a real character and a real fighter. I reckon a less tough person would have not survived.