CORONAVIRUS VACCINATIONS

[happy_tiger]

Anti vax idiots will have to do it then

Otherwise there dropped simple as that

I find it very interesting that everyone on here seems to be so trusting of govt authorities and the pharmaceutical industry that they will just line up and get jabbed with God knows what going into their bodies, without even questioning it. I actually work in the health industry and Lord knows I wouldn’t trust them ?

I’m no anti vaxer but I won’t be getting jabbed with this one ...
Not enough time or research for mine

Your a WT's supporter and Spurs supporter ..what worse could happen to you bar becoming a Victorian

Becoming an Aussie citizen ?

What you reckon the vaccine will teach you to spell ....give you a personality and stop you whinging

I’m licensed to whinge ..
The other two points I’m extremely accomplished in ..
I’m worried if I get the vaccine I’ll turn into a complete dope like yourself ?

You wish you could turn into a dope like me .....

The covid vaccine might work in reverse for you ....
You should give it a shot or two
(Both of your heads ) ?

Mrs couldn't deal with it if it got any bigger ....

For sure ...
If you got any bigger you’d have to put bricks under your side of the bed ?

Anyway ....Your getting this thread off track ...Spurs suck

 

[Spud_Murphy]

Anti vax idiots will have to do it then

Otherwise there dropped simple as that

I find it very interesting that everyone on here seems to be so trusting of govt authorities and the pharmaceutical industry that they will just line up and get jabbed with God knows what going into their bodies, without even questioning it. I actually work in the health industry and Lord knows I wouldn’t trust them ?

I’m no anti vaxer but I won’t be getting jabbed with this one ...
Not enough time or research for mine

Your a WT's supporter and Spurs supporter ..what worse could happen to you bar becoming a Victorian

Becoming an Aussie citizen ?

Or a Queenslander ?

 

[yeti]

I really hate that 'anti-vaxer' name tag. Just because someone may reject a particular vaccine against a particular disease, does not make that person anti vaccine per se.
If ebola reared it's ugly head in this country, I would be lining up to have my jab like most people. It does after all, have a 30% lethality.
I do not, however, intend getting a jab against this coronavirus. My belief is, and the stats would back this up, if you are reasonably healthy, then there is very little to concern yourself with.
If i was immuno-compromised, my decision may well be different.

 

[jadtiger]

I really hate that 'anti-vaxer' name tag. Just because someone may reject a particular vaccine against a particular disease, does not make that person anti vaccine per se.
If ebola reared it's ugly head in this country, I would be lining up to have my jab like most people. It does after all, have a 30% lethality.
I do not, however, intend getting a jab against this coronavirus. My belief is, and the stats would back this up, if you are reasonably healthy, then there is very little to concern yourself with.
If i was immuno-compromised, my decision may well be different.

Another person who couldnt give a rats about the fact that being a covid superspreader if they have it is ok because they are safe even if people they come into contact with are vulnerable.
Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon would be proud of you

 

[old_man_tiger]

I really hate that 'anti-vaxer' name tag. Just because someone may reject a particular vaccine against a particular disease, does not make that person anti vaccine per se.
If ebola reared it's ugly head in this country, I would be lining up to have my jab like most people. It does after all, have a 30% lethality.
I do not, however, intend getting a jab against this coronavirus. My belief is, and the stats would back this up, if you are reasonably healthy, then there is very little to concern yourself with.
If i was immuno-compromised, my decision may well be different.

I have used the label before and agree it is unhelpful and immature on my part.

I hope you don't mind me asking a follow up question to your post. Do you know that vaccines don't give vulnerable people around us full immunity in most cases? Instead it is the net effect of everyone in the "herd" being less of a transmission risk that protects everyone.

For the new vaccines with 90% plus effectiveness it might not be an issue. I was shocked to hear how ineffective some other common vaccines are per jab, but they still work well when enough people get them.

Am interested in your views, not trying to be inflammatory.

 

[TrueTiger]

If it helps in preventing death in the more vunerable people in the community,then it will be beneficial to get the jab....
Iam at the age of almost retiring,albeit about 4 years off,but I will probably get it because I work in hospitality and mix with people of all ages and health conditions,I wouldnt want to get it and become a spreader and I also wouldnt want to get it and become ill and have to be hospitalised..

 

[TrueTiger]

Anti vax idiots will have to do it then

Otherwise there dropped simple as that

I find it very interesting that everyone on here seems to be so trusting of govt authorities and the pharmaceutical industry that they will just line up and get jabbed with God knows what going into their bodies, without even questioning it. I actually work in the health industry and Lord knows I wouldn’t trust them ?

I’m no anti vaxer but I won’t be getting jabbed with this one ...
Not enough time or research for mine

Your a WT's supporter and Spurs supporter ..what worse could happen to you bar becoming a Victorian

Becoming an Aussie citizen ?

What you reckon the vaccine will teach you to spell ....give you a personality and stop you whinging

I’m licensed to whinge ..
The other two points I’m extremely accomplished in ..
I’m worried if I get the vaccine I’ll turn into a complete dope like yourself ?

You wish you could turn into a dope like me .....

The covid vaccine might work in reverse for you ....
You should give it a shot or two
(Both of your heads ) ?

Hey Hobbo,does Happy need two pillows on his side of the bed or do both heads fit on one...just asking ,,:man-heart-man:

 

[hobbo1]

Anti vax idiots will have to do it then

Otherwise there dropped simple as that

I find it very interesting that everyone on here seems to be so trusting of govt authorities and the pharmaceutical industry that they will just line up and get jabbed with God knows what going into their bodies, without even questioning it. I actually work in the health industry and Lord knows I wouldn’t trust them ?

I’m no anti vaxer but I won’t be getting jabbed with this one ...
Not enough time or research for mine

Your a WT's supporter and Spurs supporter ..what worse could happen to you bar becoming a Victorian

Becoming an Aussie citizen ?

What you reckon the vaccine will teach you to spell ....give you a personality and stop you whinging

I’m licensed to whinge ..
The other two points I’m extremely accomplished in ..
I’m worried if I get the vaccine I’ll turn into a complete dope like yourself ?

You wish you could turn into a dope like me .....

The covid vaccine might work in reverse for you ....
You should give it a shot or two
(Both of your heads ) ?

Hey Hobbo,does Happy need two pillows on his side of the bed or do both heads fit on one...just asking ,,:man-heart-man:

I’ll check the web camera and get back to you ?

 

[tig_prmz]

The issue with COVID vaccinne isn't just with the anti-vaxers.

The current vaccines have been tried, tested and improved over years whereas this vaccine will merely be a couple of months. Scientifically, I can understand people's apprehensions with this.

 

[tig_prmz]

I really hate that 'anti-vaxer' name tag. Just because someone may reject a particular vaccine against a particular disease, does not make that person anti vaccine per se.
If ebola reared it's ugly head in this country, I would be lining up to have my jab like most people. It does after all, have a 30% lethality.
I do not, however, intend getting a jab against this coronavirus. My belief is, and the stats would back this up, if you are reasonably healthy, then there is very little to concern yourself with.
If i was immuno-compromised, my decision may well be different.

I agree with the first part but not the second.

You're not just taking the vaccine for yourself but also to ensure it doesn't spread to those around you. It can be argued that those at risk should take the vaccine anyway so they're not at risk anymore.

 

[voice_of_reason]

The issue with COVID vaccinne isn't just with the anti-vaxers.

The current vaccines have been tried, tested and improved over years whereas this vaccine will merely be a couple of months. Scientifically, I can understand people's apprehensions with this.

I think it's reasonable to believe that no vaccine in history will have had the resources or scrutiny these vaccines have had. Billions of dollars, billions of hours of research and dozens, perhaps hundreds of companies and countries.

 

[voice_of_reason]

I do not, however, intend getting a jab against this coronavirus. My belief is, and the stats would back this up, if you are reasonably healthy, then there is very little to concern yourself with.
If i was immuno-compromised, my decision may well be different.

It's not just about you. You could easily spread it to elderly friends or an immuno-compromised workmate.

More importantly, healthy people have died - lots of them. Don't forget one of the earliest victims was a healthy, 30 year old doctor in China - the gentleman who identified it.

There's also the long term damage which is still being studied.

 

[fibrodreaming]

Anti vax idiots will have to do it then

I resent the smear implied in your comment Josh.

If someone declines the covid vaccine it does not imply that they are an antivaxxer.

I should preface my comments by saying that I am not an antivaxxer. I have had three vaccinations this year alone: flu; pneumonia; and whooping cough (my youngest daughter had a little boy and it was recommended by her doctor).

All my children have had the full set of jabs and so have I. When I travelled to the Amazon a few years ago I went to the Travel Doctor and they gave me a whole raft of injections.

I have been happy to have all these injections because I trusted that they had been developed carefully and was confident of their safety.

It usually takes 5 years to develop a safe and effective vaccine. However, the development of these covid vaccines have been fast tracked and they are being pressed into service after only 9 months development.

What could go wrong ? Well, a lot actually.

We have had other rushed vaccines in the past. For example, in 1976 President Gerald Ford rushed through the licencing of a new flu vaccine after an outbreak of a new strain of influenza. It was feared that it was the start of a pandemic.

The pandemic never arrived but the rushed vaccine caused transverse myelitis, that can lead to paralysis, in 450 of the 45 million people who received the jab. More than 30 died.

Speaking of transverse myelitis, on 6 September 2020, AstraZeneca paused its Phase 3 vaccine trial due to a volunteer developing severe inflammation of the spinal cord, (transverse myelitis).

The regulatory authority gave AstraZeneca the go-ahead to resume its Phase 3 trial in the U.K., after an independent review found it “safe to do so”.

A few days later, on September 19, 2020, The New York Times reported a second case of transverse myelitis had occurred in the AstraZeneca trial. AstraZeneca claimed the two cases are “unlikely to be associated with the vaccine,” and that there’s “insufficient evidence to say for certain that the illnesses were or were not related to the vaccine.”

Good luck with that I say. The AstraZeneca vaccine is the one the Australian Government has pre-purchased.

But there are other important concerns. A recent study called: “Informed Consent Disclosure to Vaccine Trial Subjects of Risk of COVID-19 Vaccine Worsening Clinical Disease,” published in the International Journal of Clinical Practice, on 28 October 2020, points out that “COVID-19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralizing antibodies may sensitize vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated.”

The authors noted that previous coronavirus vaccine efforts — for severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV), Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV) and respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) — have revealed a serious concern: the vaccines have a tendency to trigger antibody-dependent enhancement.

This means that rather than enhance your immunity against the infection, the vaccine actually enhances the virus’ ability to enter and infect your cells, resulting in more severe disease than had you not been vaccinated.

It is no wonder that the pharmaceutical companies developing these vaccines have sought, and been granted, immunity from prosecution if they cause harm.

It is up to us all to make our own decision about whether to be vaccinated or not. And this decision will partly be based on our own perception of risk.

I believe that there is very little risk of me suffering a bad outcome from Covid. So, why would I rush to have a vaccination, the safety of which is still in question.

The AstraZeneca trial is not due to be completed for another two years from now. I think it is rational for me to await the completion of the trial before I give my “informed consent” to be vaccinated.

In the meantime, please don’t imply that people who decline the vaccine are “antivaxxers”.

Sorry about the length of this post – I had to get it off my chest.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Andrew Wakefield has so much to answer for. He should be forcibly injected with the Ebola virus and left to die.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

The issue with COVID vaccinne isn't just with the anti-vaxers.

The current vaccines have been tried, tested and improved over years whereas this vaccine will merely be a couple of months. Scientifically, I can understand people's apprehensions with this.

The standards don't change.

 

[tig_prmz]

The issue with COVID vaccinne isn't just with the anti-vaxers.

The current vaccines have been tried, tested and improved over years whereas this vaccine will merely be a couple of months. Scientifically, I can understand people's apprehensions with this.


I think it's reasonable to believe that no vaccine in history will have had the resources or scrutiny these vaccines have had. Billions of dollars, billions of hours of research and dozens, perhaps hundreds of companies and countries.

Science isn't about theories and scrutiny. It's simply about massive longitudinal studies. The DTP vaccine, flu vaccines, small pox, Hep B etc have been used for years and are constantly monitored. There is absolutely no substitute for time.

I personally do feel that if the government says it's safe, I will get jabbed. But I do not blame those who say no to it based on scientific evidence, but not on religous or consipiracy theories

 

[voice_of_reason]

Science isn't about theories and scrutiny. It's simply about massive longitudinal studies. The DTP vaccine, flu vaccines, small pox, Hep B etc have been used for years and are constantly monitored. There is absolutely no substitute for time.

I personally do feel that if the government says it's safe, I will get jabbed. But I do not blame those who say no to it based on scientific evidence, but not on religous or consipiracy theories

Actually what you've said is almost a textbook definition of science.

"study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment." It is EXACTLY about theories and scrutiny.

If people choose not to get vaccinated due to scientific evidence which suggests it's unsafe, I wouldn't expect anyone to get vaccinated. Having said that, right now there is zero evidence to suggest a problem and significant evidence to suggest benefit.

I'm an atheist so you can guess my perception of people declining based on religion.

 

[tig_prmz]

Science isn't about theories and scrutiny. It's simply about massive longitudinal studies. The DTP vaccine, flu vaccines, small pox, Hep B etc have been used for years and are constantly monitored. There is absolutely no substitute for time.

I personally do feel that if the government says it's safe, I will get jabbed. But I do not blame those who say no to it based on scientific evidence, but not on religous or consipiracy theories

Actually what you've said is almost a textbook definition of science.

"study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment." It is EXACTLY about theories and scrutiny.

If people choose not to get vaccinated due to scientific evidence which suggests it's unsafe, I wouldn't expect anyone to get vaccinated. Having said that, right now there is zero evidence to suggest a problem and significant evidence to suggest benefit.

I'm an atheist so you can guess my perception of people declining based on religion.

sounds like you believe in a chiropractor, all theory no evidence.

science is about longitudinal studies, especially when it comes to medicine. It's about 10 year long evidence based research to see all possible effects. Yeh in theory vaccine is a great idea but that's theoretical.

Again, I would get vaccinated because I'm in the healthcare sector and deal with vulnerable people, however you have to understand other people's reservations about it.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Science isn't about theories and scrutiny. It's simply about massive longitudinal studies. The DTP vaccine, flu vaccines, small pox, Hep B etc have been used for years and are constantly monitored. There is absolutely no substitute for time.

I personally do feel that if the government says it's safe, I will get jabbed. But I do not blame those who say no to it based on scientific evidence, but not on religous or consipiracy theories

Actually what you've said is almost a textbook definition of science.

"study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment." It is EXACTLY about theories and scrutiny.

If people choose not to get vaccinated due to scientific evidence which suggests it's unsafe, I wouldn't expect anyone to get vaccinated. Having said that, right now there is zero evidence to suggest a problem and significant evidence to suggest benefit.

I'm an atheist so you can guess my perception of people declining based on religion.

sounds like you believe in a chiropractor, all theory no evidence.

science is about longitudinal studies, especially when it comes to medicine. It's about 10 year long evidence based research to see all possible effects. Yeh in theory vaccine is a great idea but that's theoretical.

Again, I would get vaccinated because I'm in the healthcare sector and deal with vulnerable people, however you have to understand other people's reservations about it.

Longitudinal studies are still subject to hypotheses and scrutiny. They are derived from hypotheses and then provide conclusions to which are scrutinised by peers.

Comparing chiropractors to the complex biological mechanics involved in vaccines is apples and machine guns.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Science isn't about theories and scrutiny. It's simply about massive longitudinal studies. The DTP vaccine, flu vaccines, small pox, Hep B etc have been used for years and are constantly monitored. There is absolutely no substitute for time.

I personally do feel that if the government says it's safe, I will get jabbed. But I do not blame those who say no to it based on scientific evidence, but not on religous or consipiracy theories

Actually what you've said is almost a textbook definition of science.

"study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment." It is EXACTLY about theories and scrutiny.

If people choose not to get vaccinated due to scientific evidence which suggests it's unsafe, I wouldn't expect anyone to get vaccinated. Having said that, right now there is zero evidence to suggest a problem and significant evidence to suggest benefit.

I'm an atheist so you can guess my perception of people declining based on religion.

People started off placing ground up cowpox sores under incisions to avoid smallpox. As untested, remedial and disgusting as it sounded, it was still better than the alternative. The vaccine became more refined and a lot less barbaric over the years and as a result in the wild smallpox is effectively eradicated.

The flu could probably be wiped out if everyone got vaccinated to levels that would guarantee herd immunity.