CORONAVIRUS VACCINATIONS

[voice_of_reason]

sounds like you believe in a chiropractor, all theory no evidence.

science is about longitudinal studies, especially when it comes to medicine. It's about 10 year long evidence based research to see all possible effects. Yeh in theory vaccine is a great idea but that's theoretical.

Again, I would get vaccinated because I'm in the healthcare sector and deal with vulnerable people, however you have to understand other people's reservations about it.

For the record, do you really think an atheist would believe in chiropractors? 🙂

Science is about suggesting a hypothesis (theory) and trying to either prove or disprove it. This doesn't require 10 years of studies - some things are easily provable. If your concept of science was adhered to no vaccine or drug would ever be approved without 10 years of evidence based testing.

I'm curious why you suggest a vaccine is a great idea but a theory? There's nothing theoretical about it. They develop, test and scrutinise the results. They either work or they don't. If they work they proceed to clinical trials for broader range efficacy and safety testing. I'm sure it's quite complex but when you have the resources that COVID-19 has presented I'm not surprised development has been much faster than other vaccines.

And also for the record, I'd have no hesitation getting the vaccination.

 

[yeti]

I really hate that 'anti-vaxer' name tag. Just because someone may reject a particular vaccine against a particular disease, does not make that person anti vaccine per se.
If ebola reared it's ugly head in this country, I would be lining up to have my jab like most people. It does after all, have a 30% lethality.
I do not, however, intend getting a jab against this coronavirus. My belief is, and the stats would back this up, if you are reasonably healthy, then there is very little to concern yourself with.
If i was immuno-compromised, my decision may well be different.



Another person who couldnt give a rats about the fact that being a covid superspreader if they have it is ok because they are safe even if people they come into contact with are vulnerable.
Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon would be proud of you

If you are that paranoid about getting 'The Covid', then wear your mask, get your jab, social distance, stay away from mass gatherings and you should be OK! As for me, I'll take my chances. Cheers!

 

[jadtiger]

I really hate that 'anti-vaxer' name tag. Just because someone may reject a particular vaccine against a particular disease, does not make that person anti vaccine per se.
If ebola reared it's ugly head in this country, I would be lining up to have my jab like most people. It does after all, have a 30% lethality.
I do not, however, intend getting a jab against this coronavirus. My belief is, and the stats would back this up, if you are reasonably healthy, then there is very little to concern yourself with.
If i was immuno-compromised, my decision may well be different.



Another person who couldnt give a rats about the fact that being a covid superspreader if they have it is ok because they are safe even if people they come into contact with are vulnerable.
Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon would be proud of you

If you are that paranoid about getting 'The Covid', then wear your mask, get your jab, social distance, stay away from mass gatherings and you should be OK! As for me, I'll take my chances. Cheers!

Disgraceful attitude.As Albert E Newman would say "What me worry?"

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I really hate that 'anti-vaxer' name tag. Just because someone may reject a particular vaccine against a particular disease, does not make that person anti vaccine per se.
If ebola reared it's ugly head in this country, I would be lining up to have my jab like most people. It does after all, have a 30% lethality.
I do not, however, intend getting a jab against this coronavirus. My belief is, and the stats would back this up, if you are reasonably healthy, then there is very little to concern yourself with.
If i was immuno-compromised, my decision may well be different.



Another person who couldnt give a rats about the fact that being a covid superspreader if they have it is ok because they are safe even if people they come into contact with are vulnerable.
Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon would be proud of you

If you are that paranoid about getting 'The Covid', then wear your mask, get your jab, social distance, stay away from mass gatherings and you should be OK! As for me, I'll take my chances. Cheers!

See, you're taking your chances, and the chances of others that won't be able to get vaccinated.

It's not about you.

 

[tig_prmz]

sounds like you believe in a chiropractor, all theory no evidence.

science is about longitudinal studies, especially when it comes to medicine. It's about 10 year long evidence based research to see all possible effects. Yeh in theory vaccine is a great idea but that's theoretical.

Again, I would get vaccinated because I'm in the healthcare sector and deal with vulnerable people, however you have to understand other people's reservations about it.

For the record, do you really think an atheist would believe in chiropractors? 🙂

Science is about suggesting a hypothesis (theory) and trying to either prove or disprove it. This doesn't require 10 years of studies - some things are easily provable. If your concept of science was adhered to no vaccine or drug would ever be approved without 10 years of evidence based testing.

I'm curious why you suggest a vaccine is a great idea but a theory? There's nothing theoretical about it. They develop, test and scrutinise the results. They either work or they don't. If they work they proceed to clinical trials for broader range efficacy and safety testing. I'm sure it's quite complex but when you have the resources that COVID-19 has presented I'm not surprised development has been much faster than other vaccines.

And also for the record, I'd have no hesitation getting the vaccination.

I do think they will work but we don't know the long term implications of it.

we can't know the long term implication of it unless there has been a 10 year study.

On that basis, I understand if people have issues with it.

And it is a theory. You can have all the resources in the world but there is no substitute for time. I'm not sure what you mean by scrutinise. I have full belief in the scientific community and even the Australian politicians. As I said, as a healthcare professional myself, I would get vaccinated because I don't want to put my patients at risk.

 

[yeti]

I do not, however, intend getting a jab against this coronavirus. My belief is, and the stats would back this up, if you are reasonably healthy, then there is very little to concern yourself with.
If i was immuno-compromised, my decision may well be different.

It's not just about you. You could easily spread it to elderly friends or an immuno-compromised workmate.

More importantly, healthy people have died - lots of them. Don't forget one of the earliest victims was a healthy, 30 year old doctor in China - the gentleman who identified it.

There's also the long term damage which is still being studied.

The response to Covid is the first time in the history of mankind that healthy people have been 'locked down' or placed into isolation. In times past, those that are immuno-compromised or high risk, have been isolated or been encouraged to undertake extra precautions. I believe that is still the better option.
And unless you are privy to every individual's medical records I'm not sure how you can ascertain that 'healthy people have died'. I am not saying that they haven't, but it would seem to be very rare, at worst. Even the CDC (and their questionable statistics), have stated that over 94% of Covid deaths have occurred in people with an 'average' of 2.4 co-morbidities.
Anyway, I'm not trying to convince you or anyone else to change your stance. You are welcome to do whatever you feel is right - as will I.
I am still 'obeying' the current guidelines. I will just choose not to take the vaccine. If that means I can no longer travel OS, then so be it. My choice.

 

[hobbo1]

I really hate that 'anti-vaxer' name tag. Just because someone may reject a particular vaccine against a particular disease, does not make that person anti vaccine per se.
If ebola reared it's ugly head in this country, I would be lining up to have my jab like most people. It does after all, have a 30% lethality.
I do not, however, intend getting a jab against this coronavirus. My belief is, and the stats would back this up, if you are reasonably healthy, then there is very little to concern yourself with.
If i was immuno-compromised, my decision may well be different.



Another person who couldnt give a rats about the fact that being a covid superspreader if they have it is ok because they are safe even if people they come into contact with are vulnerable.
Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon would be proud of you

If you are that paranoid about getting 'The Covid', then wear your mask, get your jab, social distance, stay away from mass gatherings and you should be OK! As for me, I'll take my chances. Cheers!

See, you're taking your chances, and the chances of others that won't be able to get vaccinated.

It's not about you.

I swear by my Chiro !!

 

[voice_of_reason]

I do think they will work but we don't know the long term implications of it.

we can't know the long term implication of it unless there has been a 10 year study.
On that basis, I understand if people have issues with it.
And it is a theory. You can have all the resources in the world but there is no substitute for time.

The only reason people are willing to hold this line is because they don't think they're at risk.

I'm sure you'd have a different opinion on 10 years studies if the death rate was 90%.

People are simply rejecting it because they don't fear the virus even though it can easily kill others. The thing which has put Australia in such a good position is the willingness of most people - albeit reluctantly - to adhere to the guidelines.

Most other countries in the world are still rising - they're royally screwed and almost entirely because of the "I'll take my own chances" attitude.

 

[sleeve]

Idoubt if you will have a choice.ALLpersonal in the health care community already required to have flu shots.Plane and sea travel will require vaccination certificates,all healthcare workers,as well as police,army and maybe hospitality workers as well.Many companies will make it compulsary.

 

[fibrodreaming]

It’s not about you.

Oh yes it is ! It’s my decision. Only I have the right to determine what gets put in my body. Not you, or anyone else.

See, you’re taking your chances, and the chances of others that won’t be able to get vaccinated.

A couple of points about that.

First, you misunderstand the nature of vaccinations. Being vaccinated doesn’t guarantee that you won’t get the virus. The vaccination will give you antibodies which should allow your body to fight off the virus more quickly. However, while you are fighting it off you can still be infectious.

Second point, I assume your position on having the vaccine in order to protect others is based on the notion of “asymptomatic spreaders”. This is a myth. Indeed, a major study was published in the journal ‘Nature’ on 20 November 2020 called: “Post-lockdown SARS-CoV-2 nucleic acid screening in nearly ten million residents of Wuhan, China” which debunked that notion.

The conclusion from this exhaustive study was that there was no evidence of asymptomatic spread. None. In this study, virus cultures were carried out on samples from asymptomatic positive cases, and found no viable SARS-CoV-2 virus. All close contacts of the asymptomatic positive cases tested negative, indicating that the asymptomatic positive cases detected in this study were unlikely to be infectious.

This is consistent with WHO’s statements on the matter. On 7 June Dr Maria van Kerkhove, the technical lead of COVID-19 response and the head of the emerging diseases and zoonosis unit said:

“We have a number of reports from countries who are doing very detailed contact tracing. They are following asymptomatic cases, they are following contacts and they are not finding secondary transmission onward.”

At the end of the day, the decision to have a vaccination is a very personal one. Nothing you have said convinces me otherwise.

 

[Tigerbuck63]

Anti vax idiots will have to do it then

Otherwise there dropped simple as that

I find it very interesting that everyone on here seems to be so trusting of govt authorities and the pharmaceutical industry that they will just line up and get jabbed with God knows what going into their bodies, without even questioning it. I actually work in the health industry and Lord knows I wouldn’t trust them ?

I’m no anti vaxer but I won’t be getting jabbed with this one ...
Not enough time or research for mine

Your a WT's supporter and Spurs supporter ..what worse could happen to you bar becoming a Victorian

Becoming an Aussie citizen ?

Spurs are Top of the English premier league currently and a Draw overnight against Chelsea (3rd) away. Go Spurs.....

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

It’s not about you.

Oh yes it is ! It’s my decision. Only I have the right to determine what gets put in my body. Not you, or anyone else.

See, you’re taking your chances, and the chances of others that won’t be able to get vaccinated.

A couple of points about that.

First, you misunderstand the nature of vaccinations. Being vaccinated doesn’t guarantee that you won’t get the virus. The vaccination will give you antibodies which should allow your body to fight off the virus more quickly. However, while you are fighting it off you can still be infectious.

Second point, I assume your position on having the vaccine in order to protect others is based on the notion of “asymptomatic spreaders”. This is a myth. Indeed, a major study was published in the journal ‘Nature’ on 20 November 2020 called: “Post-lockdown SARS-CoV-2 nucleic acid screening in nearly ten million residents of Wuhan, China” which debunked that notion.

The conclusion from this exhaustive study was that there was no evidence of asymptomatic spread. None. In this study, virus cultures were carried out on samples from asymptomatic positive cases, and found no viable SARS-CoV-2 virus. All close contacts of the asymptomatic positive cases tested negative, indicating that the asymptomatic positive cases detected in this study were unlikely to be infectious.

This is consistent with WHO’s statements on the matter. On 7 June Dr Maria van Kerkhove, the technical lead of COVID-19 response and the head of the emerging diseases and zoonosis unit said:

“We have a number of reports from countries who are doing very detailed contact tracing. They are following asymptomatic cases, they are following contacts and they are not finding secondary transmission onward.”

At the end of the day, the decision to have a vaccination is a very personal one. Nothing you have said convinces me otherwise.

Of course it is personal, I've never said otherwise. Your decision does affect others though.

I can understand why you would think I'd have suggested otherwise though, I probably should have worded it as such that it's your decision, but it impacts more than just you. Saying it's not about you was easily read as "it's not your choice," which is not a view a hold. It's always your choice. That's on me though, I should articulate my position better.

I also don't have an intimate understanding of the mechanics of a vaccine itself, but I understand the basis of vaccination. Vaccination assists in adaptive immunity (so while you may get sick from it once, the goal is to be immune to retard further infection,) through which a population can achieve herd immunity to protect the vulnerable who cannot be vaccinated against the disease in their weakened state. That's why I believe it is important.

 

[cochise]

It’s not about you.

Oh yes it is ! It’s my decision. Only I have the right to determine what gets put in my body. Not you, or anyone else.

See, you’re taking your chances, and the chances of others that won’t be able to get vaccinated.

A couple of points about that.

First, you misunderstand the nature of vaccinations. Being vaccinated doesn’t guarantee that you won’t get the virus. The vaccination will give you antibodies which should allow your body to fight off the virus more quickly. However, while you are fighting it off you can still be infectious.

Second point, I assume your position on having the vaccine in order to protect others is based on the notion of “asymptomatic spreaders”. This is a myth. Indeed, a major study was published in the journal ‘Nature’ on 20 November 2020 called: “Post-lockdown SARS-CoV-2 nucleic acid screening in nearly ten million residents of Wuhan, China” which debunked that notion.

The conclusion from this exhaustive study was that there was no evidence of asymptomatic spread. None. In this study, virus cultures were carried out on samples from asymptomatic positive cases, and found no viable SARS-CoV-2 virus. All close contacts of the asymptomatic positive cases tested negative, indicating that the asymptomatic positive cases detected in this study were unlikely to be infectious.

This is consistent with WHO’s statements on the matter. On 7 June Dr Maria van Kerkhove, the technical lead of COVID-19 response and the head of the emerging diseases and zoonosis unit said:

“We have a number of reports from countries who are doing very detailed contact tracing. They are following asymptomatic cases, they are following contacts and they are not finding secondary transmission onward.”

At the end of the day, the decision to have a vaccination is a very personal one. Nothing you have said convinces me otherwise.

Of course it is personal, I've never said otherwise. Your decision does affect others though.

I can understand why you would think I'd have suggested otherwise though, I probably should have worded it as such that it's your decision, but it impacts more than just you. Saying it's not about you was easily read as "it's not your choice," which is not a view a hold. It's always your choice. That's on me though, I should articulate my position better.

I also don't have an intimate understanding of the mechanics of a vaccine itself, but I understand the basis of vaccination. Vaccination assists in adaptive immunity (so while you may get sick from it once, the goal is to be immune to retard further infection,) through which a population can achieve herd immunity to protect the vulnerable who cannot be vaccinated against the disease in their weakened state. That's why I believe it is important.

Herd immunity is important with any disease as it protects people who cannot be vaccinated for various reasons. That is why I view a lot of people who are against vaccinations as being selfish. I am a little more forgiving on the covid vaccination as it is a newer vaccine and get people being a little wary.

 

[mike]

I really hate that 'anti-vaxer' name tag. Just because someone may reject a particular vaccine against a particular disease, does not make that person anti vaccine per se.
If ebola reared it's ugly head in this country, I would be lining up to have my jab like most people. It does after all, have a 30% lethality.
I do not, however, intend getting a jab against this coronavirus. My belief is, and the stats would back this up, if you are reasonably healthy, then there is very little to concern yourself with.
If i was immuno-compromised, my decision may well be different.



Another person who couldnt give a rats about the fact that being a covid superspreader if they have it is ok because they are safe even if people they come into contact with are vulnerable.
Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon would be proud of you

If you are that paranoid about getting 'The Covid', then wear your mask, get your jab, social distance, stay away from mass gatherings and you should be OK! As for me, I'll take my chances. Cheers!

See, you're taking your chances, and the chances of others that won't be able to get vaccinated.

It's not about you.

I swear by my Chiro !!

Why?

 

[sleeve]

Going back 30yrs ago you could not go from 1 country to another in Europe without vaccination certificates.Small pox,typhoid.malaria,rabbies and polio is on the rise as are .many other diseases overseas. Infiuenza dropped by 70% in OZ this year because the idiots that previously did want the jab previously realised wihout it coroavirus might kill them.(also aided by more hygien eg.washing hands)

 

[sleeve]

CORRECTION -idiots that did NOT want the jab.

 

[rustycage]

I really hate that 'anti-vaxer' name tag. Just because someone may reject a particular vaccine against a particular disease, does not make that person anti vaccine per se.
If ebola reared it's ugly head in this country, I would be lining up to have my jab like most people. It does after all, have a 30% lethality.
I do not, however, intend getting a jab against this coronavirus. My belief is, and the stats would back this up, if you are reasonably healthy, then there is very little to concern yourself with.
If i was immuno-compromised, my decision may well be different.



Another person who couldnt give a rats about the fact that being a covid superspreader if they have it is ok because they are safe even if people they come into contact with are vulnerable.
Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon would be proud of you

If you are that paranoid about getting 'The Covid', then wear your mask, get your jab, social distance, stay away from mass gatherings and you should be OK! As for me, I'll take my chances. Cheers!

See, you're taking your chances, and the chances of others that won't be able to get vaccinated.

It's not about you.

I swear by my Chiro !!

I swore at mine more than once.

 

[hobbo1]

I really hate that 'anti-vaxer' name tag. Just because someone may reject a particular vaccine against a particular disease, does not make that person anti vaccine per se.
If ebola reared it's ugly head in this country, I would be lining up to have my jab like most people. It does after all, have a 30% lethality.
I do not, however, intend getting a jab against this coronavirus. My belief is, and the stats would back this up, if you are reasonably healthy, then there is very little to concern yourself with.
If i was immuno-compromised, my decision may well be different.



Another person who couldnt give a rats about the fact that being a covid superspreader if they have it is ok because they are safe even if people they come into contact with are vulnerable.
Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon would be proud of you

If you are that paranoid about getting 'The Covid', then wear your mask, get your jab, social distance, stay away from mass gatherings and you should be OK! As for me, I'll take my chances. Cheers!

See, you're taking your chances, and the chances of others that won't be able to get vaccinated.

It's not about you.

I swear by my Chiro !!

Why?

Firstly I’m not 17 and flexible anymore ..
I’ve been a Painter & Decorator for 28 years ..
My body is stuffed ..
Without monthly visits to the Chiro I wouldn’t be able to work without being in constant pain ..
Painters neck & Sciatica

 

[mike]

I really hate that 'anti-vaxer' name tag. Just because someone may reject a particular vaccine against a particular disease, does not make that person anti vaccine per se.
If ebola reared it's ugly head in this country, I would be lining up to have my jab like most people. It does after all, have a 30% lethality.
I do not, however, intend getting a jab against this coronavirus. My belief is, and the stats would back this up, if you are reasonably healthy, then there is very little to concern yourself with.
If i was immuno-compromised, my decision may well be different.



Another person who couldnt give a rats about the fact that being a covid superspreader if they have it is ok because they are safe even if people they come into contact with are vulnerable.
Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon would be proud of you

If you are that paranoid about getting 'The Covid', then wear your mask, get your jab, social distance, stay away from mass gatherings and you should be OK! As for me, I'll take my chances. Cheers!

See, you're taking your chances, and the chances of others that won't be able to get vaccinated.

It's not about you.

I swear by my Chiro !!

Why?

Firstly I’m not 17 and flexible anymore ..
I’ve been a Painter & Decorator for 28 years ..
My body is stuffed ..
Without monthly visits to the Chiro I wouldn’t be able to work without being in constant pain ..
Painters neck & Sciatica

Why a Chiro and not a physio?

 

[hobbo1]

I really hate that 'anti-vaxer' name tag. Just because someone may reject a particular vaccine against a particular disease, does not make that person anti vaccine per se.
If ebola reared it's ugly head in this country, I would be lining up to have my jab like most people. It does after all, have a 30% lethality.
I do not, however, intend getting a jab against this coronavirus. My belief is, and the stats would back this up, if you are reasonably healthy, then there is very little to concern yourself with.
If i was immuno-compromised, my decision may well be different.



Another person who couldnt give a rats about the fact that being a covid superspreader if they have it is ok because they are safe even if people they come into contact with are vulnerable.
Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon would be proud of you

If you are that paranoid about getting 'The Covid', then wear your mask, get your jab, social distance, stay away from mass gatherings and you should be OK! As for me, I'll take my chances. Cheers!

See, you're taking your chances, and the chances of others that won't be able to get vaccinated.

It's not about you.

I swear by my Chiro !!

I swore at mine more than once.

?
My Chiro encourages swearing !