Crawley Warning - ripping us to shreds

@Celtic_Tiger said in [Crawley Warning \- ripping us to shreds](/post/1254566) said:
There are many ways this can be done without the club directly confronting journalists. We could use prominent ex players in the media to call out the stories without the club being directly involved. Other clubs do this well, we don’t.
An example from Crawley this week was his suggestion that Nathan Cleary should be left out of the origin side, the same day Mark Geyer is all over social media calling it out as BS. This is how PR management works and we just don’t do nearly enough of it.

Disagree. Mark Geyer is paid to comment, he may well be a Penrith supporter, but he's paid by Triple M to comment.

Plenty of ex-players like Siro, Blocker, Garry Jack, Benny, paid to comment. Usually in support of the club, not always.

We aren't Kim Kardashian, our brand does not exist solely in the media.

Souths for example, they didn't engage the Burgess story last month, they just stood him down let it slide off the pages.

Concentrate on winning football games and off-field conduct, and everything takes care of itself.

Also to assume the club has the funds to have a full PR department!!!
 
In reference to the title Crawley couldn’t even rip to shreds the brown paper bag he carries metho in. The guy is a total snowflake. I would not take any notice of the words he expresses in his drunken stupor.
 
@jirskyr said in [Crawley Warning \- ripping us to shreds](/post/1254591) said:
@Celtic_Tiger said in [Crawley Warning \- ripping us to shreds](/post/1254566) said:
There are many ways this can be done without the club directly confronting journalists. We could use prominent ex players in the media to call out the stories without the club being directly involved. Other clubs do this well, we don’t.
An example from Crawley this week was his suggestion that Nathan Cleary should be left out of the origin side, the same day Mark Geyer is all over social media calling it out as BS. This is how PR management works and we just don’t do nearly enough of it.

Disagree. Mark Geyer is paid to comment, he may well be a Penrith supporter, but he's paid by Triple M to comment.

Plenty of ex-players like Siro, Blocker, Garry Jack, Benny, paid to comment. Usually in support of the club, not always.

We aren't Kim Kardashian, our brand does not exist solely in the media.

Souths for example, they didn't engage the Burgess story last month, they just stood him down let it slide off the pages.

Concentrate on winning football games and off-field conduct, and everything takes care of itself.

Also to assume the club has the funds to have a full PR department!!!

The majority of mature sports organisations have some sort of PR engagement. It doesn't have to be a full time position, a retainer with an external PR agency to provide advice would be fine.

We are just not in a position to let these stories slide as they are costing us money. What major sponsor in their right mind would want to get involved in a club when the NSW origin coach says they should be relocated as they have no fans.

I'm sure the Souths story has disappeared off the back pages because of legal proceedings but we haven't seen the last of it and I would be gobsmacked if Souths were not working in the background to limit the damage to their brand.

It's also not just about negative stories, why don't we read more about the CofE. Its a major uptick for the club and yet its almost going under the media radar. We could be using that to improve our profile.
 
[/QUOTE]@jirskyr said in [Crawley Warning \- ripping us to shreds](/post/1254591) said:
**> Concentrate on winning football games and off-field conduct, and everything takes care of itself.**

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
I think once Buzz retires the DT will focus less on us. I think he fears for his Sharks, as they get mentioned every time forced relocation comes up (~ 5 yearly cycle). By bagging the Tigers he is hoping for a viable alternative. No point bag a big club like the Rorters or Souths, or an out of Sydney one.
I agree with the stance of not even acknowledging the drivel written about us.
 
@Celtic_Tiger said in [Crawley Warning \- ripping us to shreds](/post/1254566) said:
@jirskyr said in [Crawley Warning \- ripping us to shreds](/post/1254527) said:
@Celtic_Tiger said in [Crawley Warning \- ripping us to shreds](/post/1254160) said:
We need to get ahead of the negative stories and control the narrative.

If you start chasing down everything in the media there'll be no end in it. The media are intentionally trolling the clubs and they want clubs to respond every time.

Sometimes Tigers do, usually they don't. It's intentional. Most of the stuff they just let go because it's better to let the comments bounce off, because they usually do, than kick up a stink and help them stick.

When the stories are completely untrue and potentially damaging revenues then the club have a duty to stakeholders, members and sponsors, to challenge them.

There are many ways this can be done without the club directly confronting journalists. We could use prominent ex players in the media to call out the stories without the club being directly involved. Other clubs do this well, we don't.

An example from Crawley this week was his suggestion that Nathan Cleary should be left out of the origin side, the same day Mark Geyer is all over social media calling it out as BS. This is how PR management works and we just don't do nearly enough of it.

he wasn't the only one suggesting Cleary miss SOO 1 ...someone on 360 suggested it post GF
 
@tiger_scott said in [Crawley Warning \- ripping us to shreds](/post/1254666) said:
I think once Buzz retires the DT will focus less on us. I think he fears for his Sharks, as they get mentioned every time forced relocation comes up (~ 5 yearly cycle). By bagging the Tigers he is hoping for a viable alternative. No point bag a big club like the Rorters or Souths, or an out of Sydney one.
I agree with the stance of not even acknowledging the drivel written about us.

I think that Fittler by baggin' the tigers, talking about relocating them, or discrediting them he is setting the Riff up for taking over a major part of the Tiger territory.

Oh! he is not stupid - he has an agenda.
 
That makes sense (Fittler's negative press). It is a pity, I don't mind him when he's doing his charity work. Maybe he should dedicate himself to that 🙂 .
 
@Celtic_Tiger said in [Crawley Warning \- ripping us to shreds](/post/1254626) said:
We are just not in a position to let these stories slide as they are costing us money. What major sponsor in their right mind would want to get involved in a club when the NSW origin coach says they should be relocated as they have no fans.

Brydens and Meriton want to?

What major sponsor listens to Brad Fittler? Bad behaviour and wooden spoons lose sponsors. Fleeting press opinions do not.
 
@Celtic_Tiger said in [Crawley Warning \- ripping us to shreds](/post/1254626) said:
It’s also not just about negative stories, why don’t we read more about the CofE. Its a major uptick for the club and yet its almost going under the media radar. We could be using that to improve our profile.

Pascoe mentions it every second interview, I actually think it's gone the other way and folks are sick of hearing him talk about it.
 
So many folks reckon Tigers cop a belting in the paper, but Souths this year after they had a go at Bennett for the restaurant, The Australian did an expose on Sam Burgess and now Webster from SMH is after them for Suaalii.

This is despite them coming Top 4 and having coach Bennett who can basically print what he wants in the DT via Crawley.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/how-did-south-sydney-let-joseph-suaalii-slip-through-their-fingers-20201028-p569i7.html
>For the past few years, South Sydney chief executive Blake Solly has considered himself so good at his job he reckons he should be running the NRL.
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>As it stands, he’s the club boss who’s about to let Joseph Suaalii – a once-in-a-generation teenage footballing sensation — slip through his fingers.
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>Joseph Suaalii is reportedly locked in a standoff with Souths as the teen pushes for a multi-year deal with clauses in his favour.
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>And not to a rival code but most likely to arch-rivals the Roosters. Talk about a knock-on with the line wide open.
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>Souths have been throwing money at this kid since he was, well, a kid, including a revised $2.5m offer to secure him beyond next year when his development contract with the club expires.
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>They wooed him and his mum at Russell Crowe’s farm, asked the NRL to bend the rules so he could play next season even though he’s only 17, and also played dirty pool by throwing out bogus figures about what Rugby Australia was offering him.
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>Souths still didn’t get their man. If you're a Rabbitohs member you have every right to ask ... how?
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>Until recently, Suaalii’s name featured prominently on a whiteboard at Redfern Oval.
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>The whiteboard belonged to former football boss Shane Richardson and provided a preview of South Sydney’s future squad goals for years to come.
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>Because of the very nature of the salary cap, the smart clubs work years in advance when securing their talent long-term.
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>Nobody in rugby league should ever write anything in permanent marker but Suaalii has long been considered Souths’ fullback from 2022 onwards.
South Sydney had Joseph Suaalii front of mind even when they signed Latrell Mitchell.
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>Even the surprise signing of Latrell Mitchell didn’t shake the Rabbitohs from that belief.
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>It’s one of the reasons Mitchell was only signed on a one-year deal with the option for a second in the club's favour.
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>Why Suaalii went cold on Souths isn’t entirely clear, but it was a sure sign he wasn’t serious when he asked for a five-year deal with get-out clauses.
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>We’ve been told the Suaalii family felt it was being played by colourful art dealer and Souths tragic Steve Nasteski, who has been shopping the poor kid all over the place in recent months.
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>Solly thought he had the inside run to Suaalii because he’s close to the cashed-up Nasteski, but things turned dramatically earlier this month when the teenager’s family reached out to the Roosters.
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>The Roosters denied the interest when it was first revealed in the Herald and remain cagey about the issue.
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>They're awaiting a release from Souths before signing Suaalii on a development contract. After that, they'll sign him on an NRL contract but the first year will be at minimum wage of a likely three-year deal because it's no secret the club is feeling salary cap pressure.
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>The Roosters remain hopeful, though, they won’t have to shed players, or pay players like Angus Crichton less, to secure Suaalii.
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>Both the Wests Tigers and the Broncos have also been sniffing around the teenager, but he wants to join the Roosters because he's a fan of the likes of James Tedesco and Luke Keary, and respects coach Trent Robinson.
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>It's also no surprise that the Suaalii family, which does charity work in the Penrith region, became interested in the Roosters at the same time The Australian's investigation into the alleged shenanigans of former captain Sam Burgess came to light.
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>Which brings us back to Solly, who considers himself a future boss of the NRL if his constant sniping in chief executive meetings about how the game has been run is any indication.
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>We wait with interest to see what the NRL integrity unit uncovers in relation to Phoebe Burgess’ concerning allegations about her former husband. Who knew what at Souths?
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>It was rather worrying how Solly, who has since denied any knowledge of the allegations, ran for cover after The Australian’s yarn dropped.
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>A strong chief executive would’ve fronted a media conference and answered some hard questions. I mean, all this apparently happened on his watch.
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>Instead, Solly jammed out a statement and then provided some prosaic remarks to News Corp.
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>The culture of silence at Souths around Burgess is indicative of Solly’s media strategy.
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>He’s been pushing at CEO meetings for less access to players.
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>Earlier this year, the club tried to cancel at the last minute a Herald interview with Cody Walker for Indigenous Round. To Walker’s credit, he stuck solid and told a beautiful story about how his sons helped him reconnect with his culture.
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>Solly has also floated the idea of denying broadcasters Nine (which publishes this masthead) and Fox Sports access to the dressing-room after matches so they can’t show the singing of the team song.
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>That “content”, Solly has argued to the NRL, belongs to the club.
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>It actually belongs to the players. To the fans. To the game. And never mind the hundreds of millions of dollars the broadcasters tip into the game.
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>So perhaps Solly and others at Souths should concentrate on the things that really matter — like securing a player like Joseph Suaalii.
 
@jirskyr said in [Crawley Warning \- ripping us to shreds](/post/1254591) said:
@Celtic_Tiger said in [Crawley Warning \- ripping us to shreds](/post/1254566) said:
There are many ways this can be done without the club directly confronting journalists. We could use prominent ex players in the media to call out the stories without the club being directly involved. Other clubs do this well, we don’t.
An example from Crawley this week was his suggestion that Nathan Cleary should be left out of the origin side, the same day Mark Geyer is all over social media calling it out as BS. This is how PR management works and we just don’t do nearly enough of it.

Disagree. Mark Geyer is paid to comment, he may well be a Penrith supporter, but he's paid by Triple M to comment.

Plenty of ex-players like Siro, Blocker, Garry Jack, Benny, paid to comment. Usually in support of the club, not always.

We aren't Kim Kardashian, our brand does not exist solely in the media.

Souths for example, they didn't engage the Burgess story last month, they just stood him down let it slide off the pages.

Concentrate on winning football games and off-field conduct, and everything takes care of itself.

Also to assume the club has the funds to have a full PR department!!!

You’re kidding aren’t you? I’ve heard numerous fans of other teams calling us a basket case because of the amount of good players we’ve let go over the years and our inability to make the finals for so long. They’ve formed their opinions about us from the media stories about us because none of them really know what’s going on.
 
@tiger_scott said in [Crawley Warning \- ripping us to shreds](/post/1254666) said:
I think once Buzz retires the DT will focus less on us. I think he fears for his Sharks, as they get mentioned every time forced relocation comes up (~ 5 yearly cycle). By bagging the Tigers he is hoping for a viable alternative. No point bag a big club like the Rorters or Souths, or an out of Sydney one.
I agree with the stance of not even acknowledging the drivel written about us.

His boss is not a tigers fan
 
@Spud_Murphy said in [Crawley Warning \- ripping us to shreds](/post/1255154) said:
@jirskyr said in [Crawley Warning \- ripping us to shreds](/post/1254591) said:
@Celtic_Tiger said in [Crawley Warning \- ripping us to shreds](/post/1254566) said:
There are many ways this can be done without the club directly confronting journalists. We could use prominent ex players in the media to call out the stories without the club being directly involved. Other clubs do this well, we don’t.
An example from Crawley this week was his suggestion that Nathan Cleary should be left out of the origin side, the same day Mark Geyer is all over social media calling it out as BS. This is how PR management works and we just don’t do nearly enough of it.

Disagree. Mark Geyer is paid to comment, he may well be a Penrith supporter, but he's paid by Triple M to comment.

Plenty of ex-players like Siro, Blocker, Garry Jack, Benny, paid to comment. Usually in support of the club, not always.

We aren't Kim Kardashian, our brand does not exist solely in the media.

Souths for example, they didn't engage the Burgess story last month, they just stood him down let it slide off the pages.

Concentrate on winning football games and off-field conduct, and everything takes care of itself.

Also to assume the club has the funds to have a full PR department!!!

You’re kidding aren’t you? I’ve heard numerous fans of other teams calling us a basket case because of the amount of good players we’ve let go over the years and our inability to make the finals for so long. They’ve formed their opinions about us from the media stories about us because none of them really know what’s going on.

The media is one big incestuous family. Once one company breaks a story, all the others follow and it becomes gospel. No originality at all. Always has been.

That’s why you need a PR team to create other stories and engage with someone.

An example of this is parramatta - they engage with the media (access to players, seeding stories etc) but they are a deadbeat club, full of players and ex players with bikie links, haven’t won a premiership since 1986 have a worse finals record than us, have a player that tanked in a game and have a massive junior system. That’s not even starting with the board and cheating (who wins a wooden spoon while over the salary cap?)

They have massive leagues club (as do we) and a massive brand (that we don’t) who do you build a brand without talking about it. Impossible.
 
@the_third said in [Crawley Warning \- ripping us to shreds](/post/1255247) said:
The media is one big incestuous family. Once one company breaks a story, all the others follow and it becomes gospel. No originality at all. Always has been.

That’s why you need a PR team to create other stories and engage with someone.

Not having a go at you, but these are the "puff pieces" that makes everybody blow a gasket here.
 
We now have Crawley and DT and Fiyler and SMH giving it to us as a club we are in the cross hairs all the time.
Dogs sack Price and appoint Hansen same day and nobody talks about Price being sacked in media, smart move by them
 
@Masterton said in [Crawley Warning \- ripping us to shreds](/post/1255263) said:
@the_third said in [Crawley Warning \- ripping us to shreds](/post/1255247) said:
The media is one big incestuous family. Once one company breaks a story, all the others follow and it becomes gospel. No originality at all. Always has been.

That’s why you need a PR team to create other stories and engage with someone.


Not having a go at you, but these are the "puff pieces" that makes everybody blow a gasket here.

Point taken, but it doesn’t have to be a puff piece.

Wouldn’t it be great to see a story about the type of players we are chasing, someone talking honestly about last year or something. It doesn’t have to be puff. Could be as simple as calling biz and giving a no quote tip for his rumours stuff. There are ways to do it that doesn’t have to be player x visited some sick kids.

There are great stories in our team/club they just need to be told somewhere
 
@Spud_Murphy said in [Crawley Warning \- ripping us to shreds](/post/1255154) said:
@jirskyr said in [Crawley Warning \- ripping us to shreds](/post/1254591) said:
@Celtic_Tiger said in [Crawley Warning \- ripping us to shreds](/post/1254566) said:
There are many ways this can be done without the club directly confronting journalists. We could use prominent ex players in the media to call out the stories without the club being directly involved. Other clubs do this well, we don’t.
An example from Crawley this week was his suggestion that Nathan Cleary should be left out of the origin side, the same day Mark Geyer is all over social media calling it out as BS. This is how PR management works and we just don’t do nearly enough of it.

Disagree. Mark Geyer is paid to comment, he may well be a Penrith supporter, but he's paid by Triple M to comment.

Plenty of ex-players like Siro, Blocker, Garry Jack, Benny, paid to comment. Usually in support of the club, not always.

We aren't Kim Kardashian, our brand does not exist solely in the media.

Souths for example, they didn't engage the Burgess story last month, they just stood him down let it slide off the pages.

Concentrate on winning football games and off-field conduct, and everything takes care of itself.

Also to assume the club has the funds to have a full PR department!!!

You’re kidding aren’t you? I’ve heard numerous fans of other teams calling us a basket case because of the amount of good players we’ve let go over the years and our inability to make the finals for so long. They’ve formed their opinions about us from the media stories about us because none of them really know what’s going on.


I am tied of this misconception that the club let these players go ! News Flash THE PLAYERS WANTED OUT the club offered them good money to stay .. Paps did what was best for him that decision was caused by Teddy alone !
 
@Snake said in [Crawley Warning \- ripping us to shreds](/post/1255296) said:
@Spud_Murphy said in [Crawley Warning \- ripping us to shreds](/post/1255154) said:
@jirskyr said in [Crawley Warning \- ripping us to shreds](/post/1254591) said:
@Celtic_Tiger said in [Crawley Warning \- ripping us to shreds](/post/1254566) said:
There are many ways this can be done without the club directly confronting journalists. We could use prominent ex players in the media to call out the stories without the club being directly involved. Other clubs do this well, we don’t.
An example from Crawley this week was his suggestion that Nathan Cleary should be left out of the origin side, the same day Mark Geyer is all over social media calling it out as BS. This is how PR management works and we just don’t do nearly enough of it.

Disagree. Mark Geyer is paid to comment, he may well be a Penrith supporter, but he's paid by Triple M to comment.

Plenty of ex-players like Siro, Blocker, Garry Jack, Benny, paid to comment. Usually in support of the club, not always.

We aren't Kim Kardashian, our brand does not exist solely in the media.

Souths for example, they didn't engage the Burgess story last month, they just stood him down let it slide off the pages.

Concentrate on winning football games and off-field conduct, and everything takes care of itself.

Also to assume the club has the funds to have a full PR department!!!

You’re kidding aren’t you? I’ve heard numerous fans of other teams calling us a basket case because of the amount of good players we’ve let go over the years and our inability to make the finals for so long. They’ve formed their opinions about us from the media stories about us because none of them really know what’s going on.


I am tied of this misconception that the club let these players go ! News Flash THE PLAYERS WANTED OUT the club offered them good money to stay .. Paps did what was best for him that decision was caused by Teddy alone !

Spot on it's utterly infuriating and a complete misrepresentation of the actual events and yet it's been allowed to be peddled as fact in the media.

The club should be addressing this, if not publicly then through an ex player.
 
@jirskyr said in [Crawley Warning \- ripping us to shreds](/post/1254588) said:
@Spud_Murphy said in [Crawley Warning \- ripping us to shreds](/post/1254544) said:
That’s just it, they haven’t bounced off! Everything negative thing written or spoken about our club has stuck and is repeated ad nauseum until it does. The club needs to call out the falsities in their stories and shut it down once and for all. I don’t know about you but I’m sick of hearing it.

No everything hasn't stuck, you only think this because you are a Tigers supporter and you are on here all the time consuming all the Tigers news.

Most fans don't pay particular attention to Tigers news, not any more than any other club, and most of the comments nobody pays much attention to. For example the DT "300K" salary cap comment, nobody really cared in the wider NRL beyond Tigers fans.


You don’t think there is any connection between these malicious stories and our inability to land a top signing, I think they are closely related.
 

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