Crawley Warning - ripping us to shreds

[jirskyr]

Numerous fans that you know, cool.

 

[jirskyr]

That’s just it, they haven’t bounced off! Everything negative thing written or spoken about our club has stuck and is repeated ad nauseum until it does. The club needs to call out the falsities in their stories and shut it down once and for all. I don’t know about you but I’m sick of hearing it.

No everything hasn't stuck, you only think this because you are a Tigers supporter and you are on here all the time consuming all the Tigers news.

Most fans don't pay particular attention to Tigers news, not any more than any other club, and most of the comments nobody pays much attention to. For example the DT "300K" salary cap comment, nobody really cared in the wider NRL beyond Tigers fans.


You don’t think there is any connection between these malicious stories and our inability to land a top signing, I think they are closely related.

No I don't think there's a direct connection. Souths are copping a hammering in the press but they might be signing JAC and they did sign Latrell. Titans have been dismissed for years and years in the media but they landed the biggest fish of all in 2020. Newcastle have been dragged through the media for years whilst earning wooden spoons, but within a few years they've landed Ponga, Klemmer and Pearce.

It's like media talk of politics or business - the people who are really in politics and business know better than the media what is going on. You might hear stories in the edia but you also know better because you are actually part of the organisation.

I'd be more worried about players talking to each other, or player managers giving opinions, than media articles.

If you are a footballer or any employee really, you don't dismiss an organisation simply because you read stuff in the paper. You go and see for yourself, talk to them for yourself. Or send your representatives. If you do otherwise, well then you are a moron, doing yourself a disservice and we are better off without you.

The thing about landing "a top signing" that so many people seem to overlook is that Tigers weren't so bad back when we were last competitive - Ellis, Blair. Yes that was 10 years ago, but in the time that those players moved on, they were replaced by big-name juniors, so you don't go out spending your salary cap on marquees when you have them emerging within your squad.

This gets us to 2015-2016 when those marquees (Tedesco, Woods, Brooks, Moses) are cementing themselves as prominent talents, some of them rep-level. We have a bad run of coach change and player loss, but those guys were indeed replaced by big-name signings like Reynolds, Matulino, Packer, Mbye. Problem for us obviously is that these signings were not value for money.

Now we are ~1 year away from clearing those big contracts and at that point you should expect to see some big-name signings again, unless of course we have developed more prominent juniors and need to keep our funds to retain those players.

Which big-name footballer did Penrith sign to transition from 2019 no finals to 2020 minor premiers? Koroisau and Tetevano, not superstars. The core of their success came from footballers they'd nurtured for many seasons.

Which big-name player did Melbourne sign to be premiers? Nobody, they recruited nobodies and developed them. They made Papenhuyzen a star player, they didn't sign him on as one.

The fixation on "top signings" in silly, it's not going to do the heavy lifting that Tigers really need - good young kids, good value for money, who together develop a strong team and work ethic, a winning culture, and then perhaps a top signing can ice that cake.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

Numerous fans that you know, cool.

No, most I don’t know actually, but I read the numerous amount of people’s comments on said articles.

 

[earl]

The fixation on “top signings” in silly, it’s not going to do the heavy lifting that Tigers really need - good young kids, good value for money, who together develop a strong team and work ethic, a winning culture, and then perhaps a top signing can ice that cake.

I don't think Melbourne have ever signed a marquee signing from another club. I'm sure it will happen at some point but they compete via targeting talented players who aren't stars (JAC & Koro) and who aren't getting opportunities at their current club and developing quality juniors. It's all about value for money signings and I assume paying top dollar for proven stars that are currently within their system.

There isn't anything to get worked up about now because no signing will turn this place around. It will be interesting though who we pick up because our squad over the next couple of years is going to change a bit. I hope we don't pay overs and end up in the same position we are at now.

 

[JD Tiger]

That’s just it, they haven’t bounced off! Everything negative thing written or spoken about our club has stuck and is repeated ad nauseum until it does. The club needs to call out the falsities in their stories and shut it down once and for all. I don’t know about you but I’m sick of hearing it.

No everything hasn't stuck, you only think this because you are a Tigers supporter and you are on here all the time consuming all the Tigers news.

Most fans don't pay particular attention to Tigers news, not any more than any other club, and most of the comments nobody pays much attention to. For example the DT "300K" salary cap comment, nobody really cared in the wider NRL beyond Tigers fans.


You don’t think there is any connection between these malicious stories and our inability to land a top signing, I think they are closely related.

No I don't think there's a direct connection. Souths are copping a hammering in the press but they might be signing JAC and they did sign Latrell. Titans have been dismissed for years and years in the media but they landed the biggest fish of all in 2020. Newcastle have been dragged through the media for years whilst earning wooden spoons, but within a few years they've landed Ponga, Klemmer and Pearce.

It's like media talk of politics or business - the people who are really in politics and business know better than the media what is going on. You might hear stories in the edia but you also know better because you are actually part of the organisation.

I'd be more worried about players talking to each other, or player managers giving opinions, than media articles.

If you are a footballer or any employee really, you don't dismiss an organisation simply because you read stuff in the paper. You go and see for yourself, talk to them for yourself. Or send your representatives. If you do otherwise, well then you are a moron, doing yourself a disservice and we are better off without you.

The thing about landing "a top signing" that so many people seem to overlook is that Tigers weren't so bad back when we were last competitive - Ellis, Blair. Yes that was 10 years ago, but in the time that those players moved on, they were replaced by big-name juniors, so you don't go out spending your salary cap on marquees when you have them emerging within your squad.

This gets us to 2015-2016 when those marquees (Tedesco, Woods, Brooks, Moses) are cementing themselves as prominent talents, some of them rep-level. We have a bad run of coach change and player loss, but those guys were indeed replaced by big-name signings like Reynolds, Matulino, Packer, Mbye. Problem for us obviously is that these signings were not value for money.

Now we are ~1 year away from clearing those big contracts and at that point you should expect to see some big-name signings again, unless of course we have developed more prominent juniors and need to keep our funds to retain those players.

Which big-name footballer did Penrith sign to transition from 2019 no finals to 2020 minor premiers? Koroisau and Tetevano, not superstars. The core of their success came from footballers they'd nurtured for many seasons.

Which big-name player did Melbourne sign to be premiers? Nobody, they recruited nobodies and developed them. They made Papenhuyzen a star player, they didn't sign him on as one.

The fixation on "top signings" in silly, it's not going to do the heavy lifting that Tigers really need - good young kids, good value for money, who together develop a strong team and work ethic, a winning culture, and then perhaps a top signing can ice that cake.

Very well expressed, and everything you say makes sense to me.

Focusing on our juniors does seem to be the way forward. I do have a couple of questions for you however, as I don't know what the answers are to these questions but I suspect you might have an idea.

1. Do you think the club sees it this way?
2. Why then did we chase Latrell Mitchell last year?
3. Why then are we chasing JAC this year?

 

[Guest]

Some of you need to gain some perspective on life - I don't know why any of you care what the nuffies at the DT think about the WT. They're absolutely hopeless at their jobs and need to generate click bait in feeble efforts to try and remain relevant - it's a really sad reflection of who they are as people and they are not worth the emotional angst you give them by stirring this crap along - you're actually helping them achieve their goal.

 

[Curaeus]

The general standard of sports journalism in this country is appalling and the dopes who cover NRL are right at the bottom of the pile. Zero originality and puff piece after puff piece like the NRL medias's recent obsession with Bellyache kicking a chair away during the GF. Big news that one! Not a complete IQ among the lot of them!

 

[jadtiger]

The general standard of sports journalism in this country is appalling and the dopes who cover NRL are right at the bottom of the pile. Zero originality and puff piece after puff piece like the NRL medias's recent obsession with Bellyache kicking a chair away during the GF. Big news that one! Not a complete IQ among the lot of them!

I would argue that the AFL media are worse because they continually "cover up" player related misbehaviour stories that are detrimental to their 2nd rate sport.Having said that the NRL journos are rubbish

 

[jirskyr]

Focusing on our juniors does seem to be the way forward. I do have a couple of questions for you however, as I don’t know what the answers are to these questions but I suspect you might have an idea.

Do you think the club sees it this way?
Why then did we chase Latrell Mitchell last year?
Why then are we chasing JAC this year?

I think the club wants to build the foundations of a good side with juniors and astute buys, then add quality players of a specific type IF they become available.

E.g. Pascoe publicly acknowledged a lack of speed in the 2020 side, and we picked up AJ mid-season, then heavy work on JAC.

So why go after LM and JAC? Because they became available and suit the gaps in the Tigers roster. JAC specifically is a speed machine.

The point I was making earlier is not that big-name signings aren't worthwhile, but that you need to get the roster firing as a whole for those signings to really make a difference. You can't just throw JAC into the Tigers and expect the team just starts winning more, we still need to get better output from the players we have.

And you can't be all about looking for prominent signings, because you'll spend all your salary cap in a flash. The only way to work it is to have a good-value roster playing well, then once you have that, a few selected top-dollar players to take you to that next level.

 

[Masterton]

Why Wests Tigers are furious with Fittler and NSW Blues
Michael Chammas

NSW coach Brad Fittler put a few noses out of joint at the Wests Tigers this week following his comments that he was "disillusioned" that the Tigers could not find a spot for a young Ryan Papenhuyzen at the club.

It's the second time in a few months Fittler has had a crack at the Tigers, criticising the club for having "an identity crisis" and questioning whether they would "become anyone of real strength" on Wide World of Sports' Freddy and the Eighth in August.

Safe to say it didn't go down well with Tigers chairman Lee Hagipantelis, who is the owner of Brydens Lawyers - the major sponsor of Freddy's Blues.

Hagipantelis has asked club officials to reach out to Fittler to find out if he has a problem with the club. The Tigers haven't had a player represent NSW in the past three years under Fittler, who overlooked Dally M winger of the year David Nofoaluma.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/why-wests-tigers-are-furious-with-fittler-and-nsw-blues-20201101-p56ah3.html

 

[BalmainJnr]

Why Wests Tigers are furious with Fittler and NSW Blues
Michael Chammas

NSW coach Brad Fittler put a few noses out of joint at the Wests Tigers this week following his comments that he was "disillusioned" that the Tigers could not find a spot for a young Ryan Papenhuyzen at the club.

It's the second time in a few months Fittler has had a crack at the Tigers, criticising the club for having "an identity crisis" and questioning whether they would "become anyone of real strength" on Wide World of Sports' Freddy and the Eighth in August.

Safe to say it didn't go down well with Tigers chairman Lee Hagipantelis, who is the owner of Brydens Lawyers - the major sponsor of Freddy's Blues.

Hagipantelis has asked club officials to reach out to Fittler to find out if he has a problem with the club. The Tigers haven't had a player represent NSW in the past three years under Fittler, who overlooked Dally M winger of the year David Nofoaluma.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/why-wests-tigers-are-furious-with-fittler-and-nsw-blues-20201101-p56ah3.html

Here I was thinking we were just going to stay quiet and take it. The club needs to be out there correcting the narrative, no more free shots for media blowhards. As for NSW Origin there is almost as much nepotism there as there is/was in the referees room.

 

[Scomez]

Usually media and reporters hide their distaste for opposition clubs.

This guy seems to have gotten on the turps and said "Stuff it".

 

[The_Patriot]

Usually media and reporters hide their distaste for opposition clubs.

This guy seems to have gotten on the turps and said "Stuff it".

Yes, Chammas must think we're all stupid and we can't see his anti-WT bias in his "reporting" ..... commentary would be a better word.

He is a Benji Marshall apologist and wanne be Danny Weidler ......they're very low standards to be compared with, but somehow, he manages it. What a talent!

Chammas dont you mean Fitler

 

[Papacito]

Why Wests Tigers are furious with Fittler and NSW Blues
Michael Chammas

NSW coach Brad Fittler put a few noses out of joint at the Wests Tigers this week following his comments that he was "disillusioned" that the Tigers could not find a spot for a young Ryan Papenhuyzen at the club.

It's the second time in a few months Fittler has had a crack at the Tigers, criticising the club for having "an identity crisis" and questioning whether they would "become anyone of real strength" on Wide World of Sports' Freddy and the Eighth in August.

Safe to say it didn't go down well with Tigers chairman Lee Hagipantelis, who is the owner of Brydens Lawyers - the major sponsor of Freddy's Blues.

Hagipantelis has asked club officials to reach out to Fittler to find out if he has a problem with the club. The Tigers haven't had a player represent NSW in the past three years under Fittler, who overlooked Dally M winger of the year David Nofoaluma.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/why-wests-tigers-are-furious-with-fittler-and-nsw-blues-20201101-p56ah3.html

Someone needs to give our chair and CEO a wake up call.

Spare us your self-serving PR.

We haven't made the finals since 2011.

That's why we've become the laughing stock of the comp.

Simple.

 

[gallagher]

Why Wests Tigers are furious with Fittler and NSW Blues
Michael Chammas

NSW coach Brad Fittler put a few noses out of joint at the Wests Tigers this week following his comments that he was "disillusioned" that the Tigers could not find a spot for a young Ryan Papenhuyzen at the club.

It's the second time in a few months Fittler has had a crack at the Tigers, criticising the club for having "an identity crisis" and questioning whether they would "become anyone of real strength" on Wide World of Sports' Freddy and the Eighth in August.

Safe to say it didn't go down well with Tigers chairman Lee Hagipantelis, who is the owner of Brydens Lawyers - the major sponsor of Freddy's Blues.

Hagipantelis has asked club officials to reach out to Fittler to find out if he has a problem with the club. The Tigers haven't had a player represent NSW in the past three years under Fittler, who overlooked Dally M winger of the year David Nofoaluma.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/why-wests-tigers-are-furious-with-fittler-and-nsw-blues-20201101-p56ah3.html

Someone needs to give our chair and CEO a wake up call.

Spare us your self-serving PR.

We haven't made the finals since 2011.

That's why we've become the laughing stock of the comp.

Simple.

I'm glad someone else sees what's going on.

 

[tig_prmz]

It's hard not to take shots at WT given our history.

 

[hank37w]

It's hard not to take shots at WT given our history.

Agree 100%, however it would be nice if it was also reported in a more balanced way by also highlighting the despicable actions of past coaches and departing players and their managers, which has resulted in the position that we as a club are currently in.
Funny how all that can be conveniently swept under the carpet.

 

[The_Patriot]

It's hard not to take shots at WT given our history.


Agree 100%, however it would be nice if it was also reported in a more balanced way by also highlighting the despicable actions of past coaches and departing players and their managers, which has resulted in the position that we as a club are currently in.
Funny how all that can be conveniently swept under the carpet.

Id love to see that too. Taylor and Cleary's name should be in all these articles.

however its too easy just to say basket case of a club and put the boot in.

 

[rustycage]

We need to start winning games. The media will leave us alone if we can make finals for once.

Did Bulldogs get this sort of media when they running last or second last all year? The answer is no. I would love to make the finals in 2022 but not just to appease the low media types.

Yes they did. Don't you remember all the board stuff with Lynn Anderson? I wasn't paying much attention to it, because I didn't care, but it was certainly there.

Maybe the point is that with us it it just never ends. Year after year. Making crap up like Fittler did with Paps is just garbage. Crawley makes crap up, Buzz makes crap up.....the list goes on.