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@lauren said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519568) said:
@rihannafan1 said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519566) said:
@lauren said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519561) said:
@swordy said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519556) said:
@lauren said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519541) said:
@rihannafan1 said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519531) said:
The big question is whether Maguire can create cohesion between the players and a gameplan that they follow. They were a complete rabble last season, especially in the second half of the season.

May not be entirely possible for Madge to unlock the full potential of every single individual (in the team) however in addition to wanting to see more cohesion, I'd love to some other hidden talent/strengths come to the forefront. Out of all our players last season, Seyfarth surprised me the most with ***his desire*** and ability to uplift his teammates.
It would be fantastic to unmask a skilled team manager/visionary type from within our ranks over the next couple of years.

Therein lies our problem. IT AINT THE COACHES FAULT! If each player had this desire, we would be int he Top8 easily.

These guys are top grade footballers allegedly. Play like a professional, not just a knob who doesnt liek the coach so I will go in half assed. And fr anyone saying the coaches job is to motivate.... ever tried to motivate a braindead lazy **** at work who is hellbent on throwing a tantrum? the difference is these guys are meant to be professional, and I expect more for $400k + to be honest.

What is your problem?
Who's blaming Madge and why even turn the discussion into that? Madge vs The Team.
No offence (to them) but our rosters have been  poor NRL quality sides for a while (with marquee signings such as Mbye and Reynolds), in which we've had to use several players over recent years who clearly aren't/haven't been up for top grade. We've no leaders with a mish mash of experience and highly unstable overall. But let's keep being critical of them for that too.
There's a lot wrong with the team but the one thing they don't deserve to be knocked for is the club's role in degrading and humiliating them with poor roster management for years. Or what the club has stupidly paid people. Which is what our current team is in direct result of.
My comments were specifically a personal hope of mine and funnily enough I don't wish to dwell on any past failures. The season's over and despite another year of heartbreak, I find I can honestly look at them and say we haven't got the cattle for a finals worthy team.
I do see alot of persistence with our team though and can't wait until the day their hard work pays off.

Weren't you the one actually telling people to go and support another team - on another thread - when someone gave a negative prediction about the team for 2022?

I think he may have been responding to my comment. Thanks for putting a more positive spin on what I'd said though. I think Blore is the most likely to show some development. Like Seyfarth, you could see the talent but I think the game was fast for him last season.

Thankyou, as I was very confused.
Hope there's no hard feelings @Swordy and I apologise for my reaction and if I offended you in anyway.

I cannot wait until the commencement of the season. There's some real exciting/fun times ahead.

@Lauren of course not offended. Some people on here are worth discussing matters with and their opinion counts, and they speak with respect and the right intentions. You are of course on that list and you are always sensible and reasoned!

I suppose I am jumpy and waiting, expecting the inevitable Madge bashing to start - you know about how he cant coach and he is the whole and only problem at the club, which is complete BS.
 
@odessa said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519587) said:
@swordy said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519556) said:
@lauren said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519541) said:
@rihannafan1 said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519531) said:
The big question is whether Maguire can create cohesion between the players and a gameplan that they follow. They were a complete rabble last season, especially in the second half of the season.

May not be entirely possible for Madge to unlock the full potential of every single individual (in the team) however in addition to wanting to see more cohesion, I'd love to some other hidden talent/strengths come to the forefront. Out of all our players last season, Seyfarth surprised me the most with ***his desire*** and ability to uplift his teammates.
It would be fantastic to unmask a skilled team manager/visionary type from within our ranks over the next couple of years.

Therein lies our problem. IT AINT THE COACHES FAULT! If each player had this desire, we would be int he Top8 easily.

These guys are top grade footballers allegedly. Play like a professional, not just a knob who doesnt liek the coach so I will go in half assed. And fr anyone saying the coaches job is to motivate.... ever tried to motivate a braindead lazy **** at work who is hellbent on throwing a tantrum? the difference is these guys are meant to be professional, and I expect more for $400k + to be honest.

Your comment is true to an extent but if you have never know anything but people waiting after you from a young age and had money given to you and lots of it how do you know how to act
Until after your career is over I think that's why alot of football players go broke they don't truly appreciate or understand the money they are getting does not come easy


Now if an office worker was getting 400K totally different response to a football player

Cant argue with that. I understand both sides of that - been there done that.
 
Overcoming adversity has been Wests Tigers biggest flaws.. Anytime they have needed to defend errors or absorb pressure they go to water.. it has been a problem bar a few moments since existence..

If Curtis McGrath can assist in instilling that into the Club it would a go a long way into providing success…
 
@geo said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519610) said:
Overcoming adversity has been Wests Tigers biggest flaws.. Anytime they have needed to defend errors or absorb pressure they go to water.. it has been a problem bar a few moments since existence..

If Curtis McGrath can assist in instilling that into the Club it would a go a long way into providing success…

Questing tho is it the culture of the team or recruitment of the players in the team?
 
@tony-soprano said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519612) said:
@geo said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519610) said:
Overcoming adversity has been Wests Tigers biggest flaws.. Anytime they have needed to defend errors or absorb pressure they go to water.. it has been a problem bar a few moments since existence..

If Curtis McGrath can assist in instilling that into the Club it would a go a long way into providing success…

Questing tho is it the culture of the team or recruitment of the players in the team?


Culture. Like Geo said, overcoming adversity has been our problem from day 1 - even with our track record of poor recruitment, there is no way we have recruited bad attitude players every single time.

Club stinks of complacenty and we need this group to spark a change.
 
What this team needs for season 2022 is some MENTAL TOUGHNESS,being physically fit and having the skills to play the game isnt enough to get you through an 80 min pressure game....
To many times over the years we have watched our teams hang their heads when things go wrong,instead of picking themselves up and strengthening each others internal fortitude...
They must learn to recoup as a whole and not put their hands on their hips and capitulate...

Madge and co can have the toughest,most physical team on earth,if they dont play with heart and soul on game day using their mental and physical toughness together,then they will lose more than they win.....GO the Mighty WTs.....
 
@thedaboss said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519588) said:
What’s the Buzz: Wests Tigers ‘sign up’ war hero for NRL season 2022
Under fire Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire has turned to what he believes will be a secret weapon in season 2021.

James Phelps
3 min read
January 2, 2022 - 1:51PM
News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom
NRL: The NRL is expected to ramp up their COVID-19 protocols in response to the latest spike in cases.
Michael Maguire has invited Curtis McGrath into Wests Tigers’ inner sanctum after being inspired by the Paralympic champ’s story.

The Tigers coach recruited McGrath to become his secret weapon this season after hearing the former soldier talk about the horror of losing both his legs in an IED blast and the glory of becoming a world champion less than a year later.

“We talk a lot about overcoming adversity in rugby league,” Maguire said. “And I don’t think I have ever met anyone who has overcome more challenges than Curtis. It is not just what he has done but how he has gone about it.”

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Curtis McGrath, Blood, Sweat and Steel.
Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire. Picture: Toby Zerna
Maguire – who has studied military tactics and taken his teams to Australian military bases for gruelling SAS-style pre-season camps – is hoping to tap into the steely mindset that has seen McGrath conquer every challenge he has faced since losing both his legs.

Also the New Zealand coach, Maguire is hoping to bring the Kiwi-born McGrath into his Test team camp this year.

Maguire spent about 30 minutes chatting to McGrath after meeting him at the launch of the soldier-turned-Paralympian’s book Blood, Sweat and Steel.

Kiwi roasted
For all-round nice guys it’s tough to beat McGrath, but even his mates couldn’t help having a cheeky crack at his Kiwi ancestry as he was being airlifted out from Afghanistan.

The triple Paralympic gold medallist was serving in the Australian Army in Afghanistan in 2012 when he stepped on an improvised explosive device and lost his right leg above the knee and left leg below the knee.

It’s well known that Curtis, fighting shock, blood loss and excruciating pain, vowed then and there that when he recovered, he would represent his country at the Paralympic Games.

Curtis McGrath lost both legs when he stepped on a landmine in Afghanistan.
But the 33-year-old revealed recently that as he was being stretchered to be airlifted out, his mates couldn’t resist having a dig at him.

Curtis, who grew up in Queenstown before his family moved to Australia, said he couldn’t help but smile through the pain when one of the stretcher bearers told him he had an immediate decision to make.

Because if he was going to be a Paralympian and he chose to represent New Zealand over Australia, he could bloody well walk himself to the chopper. Gotta love a good sense of humour.
At the risk of sounding unnecessarily negative, I can't see our blokes tapping into this fellows story when it's needed. I think each player needs to find within themselves the thing that makes them go the extra mile. To make the extra effort.
 
@tigervinnie said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519613) said:
@tony-soprano said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519612) said:
@geo said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519610) said:
Overcoming adversity has been Wests Tigers biggest flaws.. Anytime they have needed to defend errors or absorb pressure they go to water.. it has been a problem bar a few moments since existence..

If Curtis McGrath can assist in instilling that into the Club it would a go a long way into providing success…

Questing tho is it the culture of the team or recruitment of the players in the team?


Culture. Like Geo said, overcoming adversity has been our problem from day 1 - even with our track record of poor recruitment, there is no way we have recruited bad attitude players every single time.

Club stinks of complacenty and we need this group to spark a change.

Both have sucked for a long time.
 
@rustycage said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519629) said:
@thedaboss said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519588) said:
What’s the Buzz: Wests Tigers ‘sign up’ war hero for NRL season 2022
Under fire Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire has turned to what he believes will be a secret weapon in season 2021.

James Phelps
3 min read
January 2, 2022 - 1:51PM
News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom
NRL: The NRL is expected to ramp up their COVID-19 protocols in response to the latest spike in cases.
Michael Maguire has invited Curtis McGrath into Wests Tigers’ inner sanctum after being inspired by the Paralympic champ’s story.

The Tigers coach recruited McGrath to become his secret weapon this season after hearing the former soldier talk about the horror of losing both his legs in an IED blast and the glory of becoming a world champion less than a year later.

“We talk a lot about overcoming adversity in rugby league,” Maguire said. “And I don’t think I have ever met anyone who has overcome more challenges than Curtis. It is not just what he has done but how he has gone about it.”

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Curtis McGrath, Blood, Sweat and Steel.
Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire. Picture: Toby Zerna
Maguire – who has studied military tactics and taken his teams to Australian military bases for gruelling SAS-style pre-season camps – is hoping to tap into the steely mindset that has seen McGrath conquer every challenge he has faced since losing both his legs.

Also the New Zealand coach, Maguire is hoping to bring the Kiwi-born McGrath into his Test team camp this year.

Maguire spent about 30 minutes chatting to McGrath after meeting him at the launch of the soldier-turned-Paralympian’s book Blood, Sweat and Steel.

Kiwi roasted
For all-round nice guys it’s tough to beat McGrath, but even his mates couldn’t help having a cheeky crack at his Kiwi ancestry as he was being airlifted out from Afghanistan.

The triple Paralympic gold medallist was serving in the Australian Army in Afghanistan in 2012 when he stepped on an improvised explosive device and lost his right leg above the knee and left leg below the knee.

It’s well known that Curtis, fighting shock, blood loss and excruciating pain, vowed then and there that when he recovered, he would represent his country at the Paralympic Games.

Curtis McGrath lost both legs when he stepped on a landmine in Afghanistan.
But the 33-year-old revealed recently that as he was being stretchered to be airlifted out, his mates couldn’t resist having a dig at him.

Curtis, who grew up in Queenstown before his family moved to Australia, said he couldn’t help but smile through the pain when one of the stretcher bearers told him he had an immediate decision to make.

Because if he was going to be a Paralympian and he chose to represent New Zealand over Australia, he could bloody well walk himself to the chopper. Gotta love a good sense of humour.


At the risk of sounding unnecessarily negative, I can't see our blokes tapping into this fellows story when it's needed. I think each player needs to find within themselves the thing that makes them go the extra mile. To make the extra effort.

It's a valid point unsure how his experience will translate to footy land.
 
@rustycage said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519629) said:
@thedaboss said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519588) said:
What’s the Buzz: Wests Tigers ‘sign up’ war hero for NRL season 2022
Under fire Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire has turned to what he believes will be a secret weapon in season 2021.

James Phelps
3 min read
January 2, 2022 - 1:51PM
News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom
NRL: The NRL is expected to ramp up their COVID-19 protocols in response to the latest spike in cases.
Michael Maguire has invited Curtis McGrath into Wests Tigers’ inner sanctum after being inspired by the Paralympic champ’s story.

The Tigers coach recruited McGrath to become his secret weapon this season after hearing the former soldier talk about the horror of losing both his legs in an IED blast and the glory of becoming a world champion less than a year later.

“We talk a lot about overcoming adversity in rugby league,” Maguire said. “And I don’t think I have ever met anyone who has overcome more challenges than Curtis. It is not just what he has done but how he has gone about it.”

Catch every moment of The Ashes live and ad-break free during play on Kayo. New to Kayo? Try 14-days free now >

Curtis McGrath, Blood, Sweat and Steel.
Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire. Picture: Toby Zerna
Maguire – who has studied military tactics and taken his teams to Australian military bases for gruelling SAS-style pre-season camps – is hoping to tap into the steely mindset that has seen McGrath conquer every challenge he has faced since losing both his legs.

Also the New Zealand coach, Maguire is hoping to bring the Kiwi-born McGrath into his Test team camp this year.

Maguire spent about 30 minutes chatting to McGrath after meeting him at the launch of the soldier-turned-Paralympian’s book Blood, Sweat and Steel.

Kiwi roasted
For all-round nice guys it’s tough to beat McGrath, but even his mates couldn’t help having a cheeky crack at his Kiwi ancestry as he was being airlifted out from Afghanistan.

The triple Paralympic gold medallist was serving in the Australian Army in Afghanistan in 2012 when he stepped on an improvised explosive device and lost his right leg above the knee and left leg below the knee.

It’s well known that Curtis, fighting shock, blood loss and excruciating pain, vowed then and there that when he recovered, he would represent his country at the Paralympic Games.

Curtis McGrath lost both legs when he stepped on a landmine in Afghanistan.
But the 33-year-old revealed recently that as he was being stretchered to be airlifted out, his mates couldn’t resist having a dig at him.

Curtis, who grew up in Queenstown before his family moved to Australia, said he couldn’t help but smile through the pain when one of the stretcher bearers told him he had an immediate decision to make.

Because if he was going to be a Paralympian and he chose to represent New Zealand over Australia, he could bloody well walk himself to the chopper. Gotta love a good sense of humour.


At the risk of sounding unnecessarily negative, I can't see our blokes tapping into this fellows story when it's needed. I think each player needs to find within themselves the thing that makes them go the extra mile. To make the extra effort.


I am sure some will use his doctrine to improve,the ones who don't can go to the knackers yard
 
@swordy said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519595) said:
@lauren said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519568) said:
@rihannafan1 said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519566) said:
@lauren said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519561) said:
@swordy said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519556) said:
@lauren said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519541) said:
@rihannafan1 said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519531) said:
The big question is whether Maguire can create cohesion between the players and a gameplan that they follow. They were a complete rabble last season, especially in the second half of the season.

May not be entirely possible for Madge to unlock the full potential of every single individual (in the team) however in addition to wanting to see more cohesion, I'd love to some other hidden talent/strengths come to the forefront. Out of all our players last season, Seyfarth surprised me the most with ***his desire*** and ability to uplift his teammates.
It would be fantastic to unmask a skilled team manager/visionary type from within our ranks over the next couple of years.

Therein lies our problem. IT AINT THE COACHES FAULT! If each player had this desire, we would be int he Top8 easily.

These guys are top grade footballers allegedly. Play like a professional, not just a knob who doesnt liek the coach so I will go in half assed. And fr anyone saying the coaches job is to motivate.... ever tried to motivate a braindead lazy **** at work who is hellbent on throwing a tantrum? the difference is these guys are meant to be professional, and I expect more for $400k + to be honest.

What is your problem?
Who's blaming Madge and why even turn the discussion into that? Madge vs The Team.
No offence (to them) but our rosters have been  poor NRL quality sides for a while (with marquee signings such as Mbye and Reynolds), in which we've had to use several players over recent years who clearly aren't/haven't been up for top grade. We've no leaders with a mish mash of experience and highly unstable overall. But let's keep being critical of them for that too.
There's a lot wrong with the team but the one thing they don't deserve to be knocked for is the club's role in degrading and humiliating them with poor roster management for years. Or what the club has stupidly paid people. Which is what our current team is in direct result of.
My comments were specifically a personal hope of mine and funnily enough I don't wish to dwell on any past failures. The season's over and despite another year of heartbreak, I find I can honestly look at them and say we haven't got the cattle for a finals worthy team.
I do see alot of persistence with our team though and can't wait until the day their hard work pays off.

Weren't you the one actually telling people to go and support another team - on another thread - when someone gave a negative prediction about the team for 2022?

I think he may have been responding to my comment. Thanks for putting a more positive spin on what I'd said though. I think Blore is the most likely to show some development. Like Seyfarth, you could see the talent but I think the game was fast for him last season.

Thankyou, as I was very confused.
Hope there's no hard feelings @Swordy and I apologise for my reaction and if I offended you in anyway.

I cannot wait until the commencement of the season. There's some real exciting/fun times ahead.

@Lauren of course not offended. Some people on here are worth discussing matters with and their opinion counts, and they speak with respect and the right intentions. You are of course on that list and you are always sensible and reasoned!

I suppose I am jumpy and waiting, expecting the inevitable Madge bashing to start - you know about how he cant coach and he is the whole and only problem at the club, which is complete BS.

I'll take credit for starting it then ? you're right, no one person is responsible. I'd say everyone involved has to take some blame for our performance last year, and Maguire therefore deserves some criticism.
 
@swordy said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519595) said:
@lauren said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519568) said:
@rihannafan1 said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519566) said:
@lauren said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519561) said:
@swordy said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519556) said:
@lauren said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519541) said:
@rihannafan1 said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519531) said:
The big question is whether Maguire can create cohesion between the players and a gameplan that they follow. They were a complete rabble last season, especially in the second half of the season.

May not be entirely possible for Madge to unlock the full potential of every single individual (in the team) however in addition to wanting to see more cohesion, I'd love to some other hidden talent/strengths come to the forefront. Out of all our players last season, Seyfarth surprised me the most with ***his desire*** and ability to uplift his teammates.
It would be fantastic to unmask a skilled team manager/visionary type from within our ranks over the next couple of years.

Therein lies our problem. IT AINT THE COACHES FAULT! If each player had this desire, we would be int he Top8 easily.

These guys are top grade footballers allegedly. Play like a professional, not just a knob who doesnt liek the coach so I will go in half assed. And fr anyone saying the coaches job is to motivate.... ever tried to motivate a braindead lazy **** at work who is hellbent on throwing a tantrum? the difference is these guys are meant to be professional, and I expect more for $400k + to be honest.

What is your problem?
Who's blaming Madge and why even turn the discussion into that? Madge vs The Team.
No offence (to them) but our rosters have been  poor NRL quality sides for a while (with marquee signings such as Mbye and Reynolds), in which we've had to use several players over recent years who clearly aren't/haven't been up for top grade. We've no leaders with a mish mash of experience and highly unstable overall. But let's keep being critical of them for that too.
There's a lot wrong with the team but the one thing they don't deserve to be knocked for is the club's role in degrading and humiliating them with poor roster management for years. Or what the club has stupidly paid people. Which is what our current team is in direct result of.
My comments were specifically a personal hope of mine and funnily enough I don't wish to dwell on any past failures. The season's over and despite another year of heartbreak, I find I can honestly look at them and say we haven't got the cattle for a finals worthy team.
I do see alot of persistence with our team though and can't wait until the day their hard work pays off.

Weren't you the one actually telling people to go and support another team - on another thread - when someone gave a negative prediction about the team for 2022?

I think he may have been responding to my comment. Thanks for putting a more positive spin on what I'd said though. I think Blore is the most likely to show some development. Like Seyfarth, you could see the talent but I think the game was fast for him last season.

Thankyou, as I was very confused.
Hope there's no hard feelings @Swordy and I apologise for my reaction and if I offended you in anyway.

I cannot wait until the commencement of the season. There's some real exciting/fun times ahead.

@Lauren of course not offended. Some people on here are worth discussing matters with and their opinion counts, and they speak with respect and the right intentions. You are of course on that list and you are always sensible and reasoned!

I suppose I am jumpy and waiting, expecting the inevitable Madge bashing to start - you know about how he cant coach and **he is the whole and only problem at the club,** which is complete BS.

Thanks for clarifying and the kind words.
I've always been pretty vocal in my views that the sort of environment and team culture needed to be a high performing sports team has been missing. But so has the talent and leadership IMO.
There's never been fault directed at any coaches, for not implementing this, from my end. Have always blamed the club administrators for this.

I believe most criticisms about the players mental toughness or resilience is a little misguided, and its no coincidence that a team always in the news - under heavy scrutiny with added pressure/distractions - with inadequate team leaders, have been unable to develop the right mindset and skillset to thrive in this setting.
The team often looked depleted (or dejected) to me and not up to snuff. So I honestly see talent as the biggest requirement/necessity (and more a deciding factor) for us playing finals footy. The Melbourne, Roosters, (2nd) Eels and Bunnies losses really hit this home hard, for me.
 
@tony-soprano said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519612) said:
@geo said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519610) said:
Overcoming adversity has been Wests Tigers biggest flaws.. Anytime they have needed to defend errors or absorb pressure they go to water.. it has been a problem bar a few moments since existence..

If Curtis McGrath can assist in instilling that into the Club it would a go a long way into providing success…

Questing tho is it the culture of the team or recruitment of the players in the team?

That’s why I said the Club not just the players..
 
I think someone like Curtis mcgrath could be helpful to WTs for a big game or two... Dunno how we utilise him for a whole season tho
 
@tony-soprano said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519612) said:
@geo said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519610) said:
Overcoming adversity has been Wests Tigers biggest flaws.. Anytime they have needed to defend errors or absorb pressure they go to water.. it has been a problem bar a few moments since existence..

If Curtis McGrath can assist in instilling that into the Club it would a go a long way into providing success…

Questing tho is it the culture of the team or recruitment of the players in the team?

Thinking of players like BJ Lelulia, Joffa and so many others I think it is what is accepted as the "norm" by the team. In short, too many players brcome bludgers when they join Wests tigers.The rests of the players therefor don't want to bust their guts either.
 
@geo said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519650) said:
@tony-soprano said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519612) said:
@geo said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519610) said:
Overcoming adversity has been Wests Tigers biggest flaws.. Anytime they have needed to defend errors or absorb pressure they go to water.. it has been a problem bar a few moments since existence..

If Curtis McGrath can assist in instilling that into the Club it would a go a long way into providing success…

Questing tho is it the culture of the team or recruitment of the players in the team?

That’s why I said the Club not just the players..

True mate missed that
 
@newtown said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519654) said:
@tony-soprano said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519612) said:
@geo said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519610) said:
Overcoming adversity has been Wests Tigers biggest flaws.. Anytime they have needed to defend errors or absorb pressure they go to water.. it has been a problem bar a few moments since existence..

If Curtis McGrath can assist in instilling that into the Club it would a go a long way into providing success…

Questing tho is it the culture of the team or recruitment of the players in the team?

Thinking of players like BJ Lelulia, Joffa and so many others I think it is what is accepted as the "norm" by the team. In short, too many players brcome bludgers when they join Wests tigers.The rests of the players therefor don't want to bust their guts either.

Theres definitely something in the water at Concord..but when you put together a whole bunch of lazy senior players(and Im gonna add Packer & Mbye to Joey and Joffa),plus several others who wld probably rather be somewhere else(Noffa/Brooks/Liddle)...thats almost our entire senior playing group!!
Little wonder we struggle
Im hoping Sheens and the new assistants call it out for what it is...and address it
 
@lauren said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519648) said:
@swordy said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519595) said:
@lauren said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519568) said:
@rihannafan1 said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519566) said:
@lauren said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519561) said:
@swordy said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519556) said:
@lauren said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519541) said:
@rihannafan1 said in [Daily Telegraph Post](/post/1519531) said:
The big question is whether Maguire can create cohesion between the players and a gameplan that they follow. They were a complete rabble last season, especially in the second half of the season.

May not be entirely possible for Madge to unlock the full potential of every single individual (in the team) however in addition to wanting to see more cohesion, I'd love to some other hidden talent/strengths come to the forefront. Out of all our players last season, Seyfarth surprised me the most with ***his desire*** and ability to uplift his teammates.
It would be fantastic to unmask a skilled team manager/visionary type from within our ranks over the next couple of years.

Therein lies our problem. IT AINT THE COACHES FAULT! If each player had this desire, we would be int he Top8 easily.

These guys are top grade footballers allegedly. Play like a professional, not just a knob who doesnt liek the coach so I will go in half assed. And fr anyone saying the coaches job is to motivate.... ever tried to motivate a braindead lazy **** at work who is hellbent on throwing a tantrum? the difference is these guys are meant to be professional, and I expect more for $400k + to be honest.

What is your problem?
Who's blaming Madge and why even turn the discussion into that? Madge vs The Team.
No offence (to them) but our rosters have been  poor NRL quality sides for a while (with marquee signings such as Mbye and Reynolds), in which we've had to use several players over recent years who clearly aren't/haven't been up for top grade. We've no leaders with a mish mash of experience and highly unstable overall. But let's keep being critical of them for that too.
There's a lot wrong with the team but the one thing they don't deserve to be knocked for is the club's role in degrading and humiliating them with poor roster management for years. Or what the club has stupidly paid people. Which is what our current team is in direct result of.
My comments were specifically a personal hope of mine and funnily enough I don't wish to dwell on any past failures. The season's over and despite another year of heartbreak, I find I can honestly look at them and say we haven't got the cattle for a finals worthy team.
I do see alot of persistence with our team though and can't wait until the day their hard work pays off.

Weren't you the one actually telling people to go and support another team - on another thread - when someone gave a negative prediction about the team for 2022?

I think he may have been responding to my comment. Thanks for putting a more positive spin on what I'd said though. I think Blore is the most likely to show some development. Like Seyfarth, you could see the talent but I think the game was fast for him last season.

Thankyou, as I was very confused.
Hope there's no hard feelings @Swordy and I apologise for my reaction and if I offended you in anyway.

I cannot wait until the commencement of the season. There's some real exciting/fun times ahead.

@Lauren of course not offended. Some people on here are worth discussing matters with and their opinion counts, and they speak with respect and the right intentions. You are of course on that list and you are always sensible and reasoned!

I suppose I am jumpy and waiting, expecting the inevitable Madge bashing to start - you know about how he cant coach and **he is the whole and only problem at the club,** which is complete BS.

Thanks for clarifying and the kind words.
I've always been pretty vocal in my views that the sort of environment and team culture needed to be a high performing sports team has been missing. But so has the talent and leadership IMO.
There's never been fault directed at any coaches, for not implementing this, from my end. Have always blamed the club administrators for this.

I believe most criticisms about the players mental toughness or resilience is a little misguided, and its no coincidence that a team always in the news - under heavy scrutiny with added pressure/distractions - with inadequate team leaders, have been unable to develop the right mindset and skillset to thrive in this setting.
The team often looked depleted (or dejected) to me and not up to snuff. So I honestly see talent as the biggest requirement/necessity (and more a deciding factor) for us playing finals footy. The Melbourne, Roosters, (2nd) Eels and Bunnies losses really hit this home hard, for me.

I have to say Lauren,and please dont take offense to what Im going to say,if your paid big money to perform on the biggest stage in the Rugby league world,the NRL,then you had better prepare yourself for the rigours of week to week pressure to perform for those dollars..This totally involves MENTAL TOUGHNESS, it goes hand in hand with physical toughness...as my old coach used to say ""if you cant handle the heat in the kitchen,then get out""...
I fully understand there are other aspects to a team game that must be considered,BUT when the crunch comes you have to do your job at 100% for 80 mins to play your part in a team game....NO BODY SHOULD HAVE TO GO OUT AND CARRY THE REST OF THE TEAM....
Everyone has to do their job or they should be replaced by someone who does give 100% everytime they pull on the jumper..
 
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