David Nofoaluma #164

[Jedi_Tiger]

If it’s true that Nofa is asking $650k then he’s priced himself out of WT. I hope he gets picked up by eels and gets a combo going with Moses. I think we paid too much for Nofa ($450k) at a time when we had all our stars leaving and now it’s biting us on the gluteus because everyone with a sentimental soul , including Nofa, thinks he’s worth an upgrade. During the last 3 years when he was on $450k , Fox was on $350k. I still think his true value to WT is $325k plus a top up with vets and car of about $80k - $100k. You never no if you don’t ask? Someone was desperate enough to buy fox at $650k. It’s going to be very interesting to see how that unfolds?

it is scary to think JAC was on 350k and Nofo 450k
right time right place for Nofo when our stars left he stayed
Shouldn't be able to win lotto twice
Joey L can leave end of 2022 ? imagine nofo money for Stagg or Stephen crighton

Key word: imagine.

cash is a reality if we use it for 2022 one hell of a war chest
Packer and Nofo money on Stagg or Crighton and a depth player signing


I agree that we pay 450k at the most and really it's the appropriate amount for Nofo. But Staggs and Crichton are much younger than him and have already had somewhat comparable career best years. Wests Tigers are not signing them on 450-500k and we just don't have the TPAs to do anything else. You can imagine but it will never ever happen.

Packer and Nofo money should get us one of Crighton, Staggs

Can you be consistent. Paying overs for those 2 is ok?

Packer & Noffo salary combined is overs for both these players a year.

well quality players like Brandon Smith and crighton Staggs are good players and attract good players so yes it is worth paying a bit overs to them.
Paying our David any more money will not attract quality players it has not in the past.

You assume those 3 players even want to talk to us...

Even if they did none of them are worth $1.1+ a season.

We offered LM and JAC overs and they went to another club for less (based on reports).

No one is suggesting to sign David on overs but you keep harping on about it.

mate I said sign crighton or staggs and then use the spare cash for top up of a Liddle or Luciano or whoever player.
people are suggesting overs for David 500k plus

Who is suggesting that? I know the club won't be paying him that much...

is he not on 450k already ? I reckon Parramatta could stretch to 480k to 500k for noffo

 

[Guest]

If it’s true that Nofa is asking $650k then he’s priced himself out of WT. I hope he gets picked up by eels and gets a combo going with Moses. I think we paid too much for Nofa ($450k) at a time when we had all our stars leaving and now it’s biting us on the gluteus because everyone with a sentimental soul , including Nofa, thinks he’s worth an upgrade. During the last 3 years when he was on $450k , Fox was on $350k. I still think his true value to WT is $325k plus a top up with vets and car of about $80k - $100k. You never no if you don’t ask? Someone was desperate enough to buy fox at $650k. It’s going to be very interesting to see how that unfolds?

it is scary to think JAC was on 350k and Nofo 450k
right time right place for Nofo when our stars left he stayed
Shouldn't be able to win lotto twice
Joey L can leave end of 2022 ? imagine nofo money for Stagg or Stephen crighton

Key word: imagine.

cash is a reality if we use it for 2022 one hell of a war chest
Packer and Nofo money on Stagg or Crighton and a depth player signing


I agree that we pay 450k at the most and really it's the appropriate amount for Nofo. But Staggs and Crichton are much younger than him and have already had somewhat comparable career best years. Wests Tigers are not signing them on 450-500k and we just don't have the TPAs to do anything else. You can imagine but it will never ever happen.

Packer and Nofo money should get us one of Crighton, Staggs

Can you be consistent. Paying overs for those 2 is ok?

Packer & Noffo salary combined is overs for both these players a year.

well quality players like Brandon Smith and crighton Staggs are good players and attract good players so yes it is worth paying a bit overs to them.
Paying our David any more money will not attract quality players it has not in the past.

You assume those 3 players even want to talk to us...

Even if they did none of them are worth $1.1+ a season.

We offered LM and JAC overs and they went to another club for less (based on reports).

No one is suggesting to sign David on overs but you keep harping on about it.

mate I said sign crighton or staggs and then use the spare cash for top up of a Liddle or Luciano or whoever player.
people are suggesting overs for David 500k plus

Who is suggesting that? I know the club won't be paying him that much...

is he not on 450k already ? I reckon Parramatta could stretch to 480k to 500k for noffo

No he's not. You make far too many assumptions which are simply not accurate.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

If it’s true that Nofa is asking $650k then he’s priced himself out of WT. I hope he gets picked up by eels and gets a combo going with Moses. I think we paid too much for Nofa ($450k) at a time when we had all our stars leaving and now it’s biting us on the gluteus because everyone with a sentimental soul , including Nofa, thinks he’s worth an upgrade. During the last 3 years when he was on $450k , Fox was on $350k. I still think his true value to WT is $325k plus a top up with vets and car of about $80k - $100k. You never no if you don’t ask? Someone was desperate enough to buy fox at $650k. It’s going to be very interesting to see how that unfolds?

it is scary to think JAC was on 350k and Nofo 450k
right time right place for Nofo when our stars left he stayed
Shouldn't be able to win lotto twice
Joey L can leave end of 2022 ? imagine nofo money for Stagg or Stephen crighton

Key word: imagine.

cash is a reality if we use it for 2022 one hell of a war chest
Packer and Nofo money on Stagg or Crighton and a depth player signing


I agree that we pay 450k at the most and really it's the appropriate amount for Nofo. But Staggs and Crichton are much younger than him and have already had somewhat comparable career best years. Wests Tigers are not signing them on 450-500k and we just don't have the TPAs to do anything else. You can imagine but it will never ever happen.

Packer and Nofo money should get us one of Crighton, Staggs

Can you be consistent. Paying overs for those 2 is ok?

Packer & Noffo salary combined is overs for both these players a year.

well quality players like Brandon Smith and crighton Staggs are good players and attract good players so yes it is worth paying a bit overs to them.
Paying our David any more money will not attract quality players it has not in the past.

You assume those 3 players even want to talk to us...

Even if they did none of them are worth $1.1+ a season.

We offered LM and JAC overs and they went to another club for less (based on reports).

No one is suggesting to sign David on overs but you keep harping on about it.

mate I said sign crighton or staggs and then use the spare cash for top up of a Liddle or Luciano or whoever player.
people are suggesting overs for David 500k plus

Who is suggesting that? I know the club won't be paying him that much...

is he not on 450k already ? I reckon Parramatta could stretch to 480k to 500k for noffo

No he's not. You make far too many assumptions which are simply not accurate.

what is he on then Willow ?

 

[Guest]

If it’s true that Nofa is asking $650k then he’s priced himself out of WT. I hope he gets picked up by eels and gets a combo going with Moses. I think we paid too much for Nofa ($450k) at a time when we had all our stars leaving and now it’s biting us on the gluteus because everyone with a sentimental soul , including Nofa, thinks he’s worth an upgrade. During the last 3 years when he was on $450k , Fox was on $350k. I still think his true value to WT is $325k plus a top up with vets and car of about $80k - $100k. You never no if you don’t ask? Someone was desperate enough to buy fox at $650k. It’s going to be very interesting to see how that unfolds?

it is scary to think JAC was on 350k and Nofo 450k
right time right place for Nofo when our stars left he stayed
Shouldn't be able to win lotto twice
Joey L can leave end of 2022 ? imagine nofo money for Stagg or Stephen crighton

Key word: imagine.

cash is a reality if we use it for 2022 one hell of a war chest
Packer and Nofo money on Stagg or Crighton and a depth player signing


I agree that we pay 450k at the most and really it's the appropriate amount for Nofo. But Staggs and Crichton are much younger than him and have already had somewhat comparable career best years. Wests Tigers are not signing them on 450-500k and we just don't have the TPAs to do anything else. You can imagine but it will never ever happen.

Packer and Nofo money should get us one of Crighton, Staggs

Can you be consistent. Paying overs for those 2 is ok?

Packer & Noffo salary combined is overs for both these players a year.

well quality players like Brandon Smith and crighton Staggs are good players and attract good players so yes it is worth paying a bit overs to them.
Paying our David any more money will not attract quality players it has not in the past.

You assume those 3 players even want to talk to us...

Even if they did none of them are worth $1.1+ a season.

We offered LM and JAC overs and they went to another club for less (based on reports).

No one is suggesting to sign David on overs but you keep harping on about it.

mate I said sign crighton or staggs and then use the spare cash for top up of a Liddle or Luciano or whoever player.
people are suggesting overs for David 500k plus

Who is suggesting that? I know the club won't be paying him that much...

is he not on 450k already ? I reckon Parramatta could stretch to 480k to 500k for noffo

No he's not. You make far too many assumptions which are simply not accurate.

what is he on then Willow ?

I'm not going to publicly disclose that on here.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

If it’s true that Nofa is asking $650k then he’s priced himself out of WT. I hope he gets picked up by eels and gets a combo going with Moses. I think we paid too much for Nofa ($450k) at a time when we had all our stars leaving and now it’s biting us on the gluteus because everyone with a sentimental soul , including Nofa, thinks he’s worth an upgrade. During the last 3 years when he was on $450k , Fox was on $350k. I still think his true value to WT is $325k plus a top up with vets and car of about $80k - $100k. You never no if you don’t ask? Someone was desperate enough to buy fox at $650k. It’s going to be very interesting to see how that unfolds?

it is scary to think JAC was on 350k and Nofo 450k
right time right place for Nofo when our stars left he stayed
Shouldn't be able to win lotto twice
Joey L can leave end of 2022 ? imagine nofo money for Stagg or Stephen crighton

Key word: imagine.

cash is a reality if we use it for 2022 one hell of a war chest
Packer and Nofo money on Stagg or Crighton and a depth player signing


I agree that we pay 450k at the most and really it's the appropriate amount for Nofo. But Staggs and Crichton are much younger than him and have already had somewhat comparable career best years. Wests Tigers are not signing them on 450-500k and we just don't have the TPAs to do anything else. You can imagine but it will never ever happen.

Packer and Nofo money should get us one of Crighton, Staggs

Can you be consistent. Paying overs for those 2 is ok?

Packer & Noffo salary combined is overs for both these players a year.

well quality players like Brandon Smith and crighton Staggs are good players and attract good players so yes it is worth paying a bit overs to them.
Paying our David any more money will not attract quality players it has not in the past.

You assume those 3 players even want to talk to us...

Even if they did none of them are worth $1.1+ a season.

We offered LM and JAC overs and they went to another club for less (based on reports).

No one is suggesting to sign David on overs but you keep harping on about it.

mate I said sign crighton or staggs and then use the spare cash for top up of a Liddle or Luciano or whoever player.
people are suggesting overs for David 500k plus

Who is suggesting that? I know the club won't be paying him that much...

is he not on 450k already ? I reckon Parramatta could stretch to 480k to 500k for noffo

No he's not. You make far too many assumptions which are simply not accurate.

what is he on then Willow ?

I'm not going to publicly disclose that on here.

I see
well even 400k would be plenty for Nofo
if he was on 350k then that is pretty fair

 

[BZN]

Nofo has had ONE good year

One very good year and some ordinary years mixed in his career agree he's a very good clubman but appears that someone is in his ear stroking his ego

But you make roster decisions based on projected performance and Noff does appear to be rising to an elite performer, what he did prior to last year is really a non factor.

It’s a huge factor. He’s had one good season since 2016.

I disagree. If I’m going into a room for a retention meeting to discuss how I project he’ll perform in 2021, a great year in 2020 is carrying much more weight than an average 2017 - and I also think he’s been a good (maybe not great) player since his debut. To me Noff found more confidence in himself last year which I know is powerful in rugby league. He believes he will play origin, good on him.

In the past 4 seasons he’s played to his contract value once. To reward him with an upgraded 4 year contract is bonkers imo.

I’d pay 3 years at 500 with a club option, that’s probably max for me.

$400k x 2 absolute max.

Then he’s gone and we probably pick up a worse player and go backwards

It doesn't work like that. It means we can spend that money elsewhere.

Mate, we could have a squillion dollars available, it’s clear we are having a really tough time getting elite players here.

agree with that but we need to pay overs for the right player like Brandon Smith or a Munster etc

100% agree to go after them but 100% doubt we get them if we keep letting go of the Teddy’s, the Matto’s, the Noffa’s. Etc

I always have a giggle with people saying we ‘let’ Tedesco go. Memory has it that we offered him $1.1M to stay. He was going no matter what.

Should have offered more then.

Ha Ha Ha :+1: :hugging_face:

 

[Norsington]

Nofo is a difficult one. Attack wise he is up there with the best wingers in the game. Defensively he still has some issues (plus his height doesn't help), but you could argue he hasn't had the best defensive combinations with his centre partner. Wingers are pretty severely undervalued in the modern game. Yes, wingers are more easily replaceable than many other positions, but outstanding wingers vs. average wingers can be the difference between winning and losing in tight games.

The real dilemma here isn't Nofo's ability, but rather he represents the heart and soul of Wests Tigers. He is one of the few juniors still playing with us that's clocked 100+ games. Plus his passion for our club is 2nd to none. It really doesn't send a great message to our juniors that even our most passionate clubmen can't see a future here with us.

On the other hand, we have had 10 years of complete and utter mediocrity. Maybe a cleanout that extends to our heart and soul is what we need.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

We offered LM and JAC overs and they went to another club for less (based on reports).

LM did. JAC chased the money.

LM was terrified of the responsibility of being “the man” . I think all forget he’s still just a 22 year old kid .

 

[earl]

If it’s true that Nofa is asking $650k then he’s priced himself out of WT. I hope he gets picked up by eels and gets a combo going with Moses. I think we paid too much for Nofa ($450k) at a time when we had all our stars leaving and now it’s biting us on the gluteus because everyone with a sentimental soul , including Nofa, thinks he’s worth an upgrade. During the last 3 years when he was on $450k , Fox was on $350k. I still think his true value to WT is $325k plus a top up with vets and car of about $80k - $100k. You never no if you don’t ask? Someone was desperate enough to buy fox at $650k. It’s going to be very interesting to see how that unfolds?

it is scary to think JAC was on 350k and Nofo 450k
right time right place for Nofo when our stars left he stayed
Shouldn't be able to win lotto twice
Joey L can leave end of 2022 ? imagine nofo money for Stagg or Stephen crighton

Key word: imagine.

cash is a reality if we use it for 2022 one hell of a war chest
Packer and Nofo money on Stagg or Crighton and a depth player signing


I agree that we pay 450k at the most and really it's the appropriate amount for Nofo. But Staggs and Crichton are much younger than him and have already had somewhat comparable career best years. Wests Tigers are not signing them on 450-500k and we just don't have the TPAs to do anything else. You can imagine but it will never ever happen.

Packer and Nofo money should get us one of Crighton, Staggs

Can you be consistent. Paying overs for those 2 is ok?

Packer & Noffo salary combined is overs for both these players a year.

well quality players like Brandon Smith and crighton Staggs are good players and attract good players so yes it is worth paying a bit overs to them.
Paying our David any more money will not attract quality players it has not in the past.

You assume those 3 players even want to talk to us...

Even if they did none of them are worth $1.1+ a season.

We offered LM and JAC overs and they went to another club for less (based on reports).

No one is suggesting to sign David on overs but you keep harping on about it.

mate I said sign crighton or staggs and then use the spare cash for top up of a Liddle or Luciano or whoever player.
people are suggesting overs for David 500k plus

Who is suggesting that? I know the club won't be paying him that much...

is he not on 450k already ? I reckon Parramatta could stretch to 480k to 500k for noffo

No he's not. You make far too many assumptions which are simply not accurate.

I said this earlier. I don't think he is on the overs now that people are stating he is on.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

If it’s true that Nofa is asking $650k then he’s priced himself out of WT. I hope he gets picked up by eels and gets a combo going with Moses. I think we paid too much for Nofa ($450k) at a time when we had all our stars leaving and now it’s biting us on the gluteus because everyone with a sentimental soul , including Nofa, thinks he’s worth an upgrade. During the last 3 years when he was on $450k , Fox was on $350k. I still think his true value to WT is $325k plus a top up with vets and car of about $80k - $100k. You never no if you don’t ask? Someone was desperate enough to buy fox at $650k. It’s going to be very interesting to see how that unfolds?

it is scary to think JAC was on 350k and Nofo 450k
right time right place for Nofo when our stars left he stayed
Shouldn't be able to win lotto twice
Joey L can leave end of 2022 ? imagine nofo money for Stagg or Stephen crighton

Key word: imagine.

cash is a reality if we use it for 2022 one hell of a war chest
Packer and Nofo money on Stagg or Crighton and a depth player signing


I agree that we pay 450k at the most and really it's the appropriate amount for Nofo. But Staggs and Crichton are much younger than him and have already had somewhat comparable career best years. Wests Tigers are not signing them on 450-500k and we just don't have the TPAs to do anything else. You can imagine but it will never ever happen.

Packer and Nofo money should get us one of Crighton, Staggs

Can you be consistent. Paying overs for those 2 is ok?

Packer & Noffo salary combined is overs for both these players a year.

well quality players like Brandon Smith and crighton Staggs are good players and attract good players so yes it is worth paying a bit overs to them.
Paying our David any more money will not attract quality players it has not in the past.

You assume those 3 players even want to talk to us...

Even if they did none of them are worth $1.1+ a season.

We offered LM and JAC overs and they went to another club for less (based on reports).

No one is suggesting to sign David on overs but you keep harping on about it.

mate I said sign crighton or staggs and then use the spare cash for top up of a Liddle or Luciano or whoever player.
people are suggesting overs for David 500k plus

Who is suggesting that? I know the club won't be paying him that much...

is he not on 450k already ? I reckon Parramatta could stretch to 480k to 500k for noffo

No he's not. You make far too many assumptions which are simply not accurate.

I said this earlier. I don't think he is on the overs now that people are stating he is on.

Earl do you think he is on less than 400k ? if he is currently on 375k and is wanting 400k then he is a good signing I reckon.

 

[earl]

Earl do you think he is on less than 400k ? if he is currently on 375k and is wanting 400k then he is a good signing I reckon.

I'm completely against paying overs and I think 500k is overs. Those figures to me though are fair. I'm just concerned he hasn't signed yet. I also think if it starts becoming a game to get the maximum possible contract amount then you just let him and any other player go.

 

[twentyforty]

Too mant DT readers on here throwing dumb numbers around.

All these journos that we bag constantly because they are clickbait specialists and BS artists, but they mention Nofo wants 650k and it is suddenlt taken as gospel?

I think you will find Nof would be very happy with anything over 400k. Extremely happy.

If he's looking at anything above $500k tell him he's dreamin
I'm sure when he resigned last time he got good money because it was around departure time of Teddy Woods and Moses I seem to remember figures of $400k being thrown around at the time but not sure.

I seem to recall $450k at the time.
Many here want him to be on $500k plus and this has caused a few of us to look more closely at his form and how it might reflect on the scoreboard. As I’ve previously mentioned, I’ve seen BJ having words with him over his defensive reads and my guess is, he’s just given up, if the head shakes is anything to go by?

 

[Swordy]

I doubt Nofo will go anywhere and I'm not sure there is a rush on anyone's part. He has a whole season ahead and I'm certain he would allow the decency of the WT having last crack, so lets not panic. It's not first in best dressed all the time.

And here's a tip, nothing against Nofo because to me he embodies everything WT.... But great players go from the game and teams at different times, much greater than Nofo. WT will still function and the sun will still rise in the east and set in the west if he leaves. I have no issue with him or any other player shopping themselves around. We all would if we had the chance. i just want some honesty in the end that says 'I have a family to look after so I did the best financial deal possible", not " I love the Wests Tigers and my loyalty is always here. I love the club and they have the best supporters. This is my home" crap. Be honest.

 

[hank37w]

Yep.
Players just need to cut the fluff and do their stuff.

 

[sleeve]

The one thing Nofa has over JAC is the posts on this forum. lol

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I think off field that the recruitment and retention team have got it right. Obviously we are waiting for this to actually come to fruition on the field, but I do agree that if they have fairly valued Nofoaluma and he is not happy with that assessment, I am fine for him to leave. It is a bit rich that he bags 17 tries last year and starts talking about playing finals footy and big contracts (I get that he's entitled to do as he pleases but I find it all a bit tone deaf.) He's played eight seasons and only scored double digits twice.

 

[Leck]

Time to move on from Nofa. He hasn't re-signed and the writing is on the wall.

In late November his manager made it known that he wanted more coin because it was (apparently) his last chance for a contract.

Which is rubbish, he's 27 and he has at least 2 NRL contracts left + an opportunity to play ESL at the back end of his career.

Since then all we've heard is dead air.

His managers attempt to lift his price was PR jargon and we were right to offer him what he's worth
- max $450-500K.

In my opinion that's even too much. One decent year versus five average years doesn't make you a quality top 5 NRL winger.

Nofa and his manager are playing games and we should stick to our guns and promote AJ /Talau or even Momo to the right wing if he decides to defect and sign up with the Eels or Bunnies.


Sorry for being ignorant, but when was that one good year again?

He won the Dally M winger last year, which I can't deny, however he hasn't proven to be a consistent strike winger across his entire career.

If he decides to leave us I feel confident we have the talent to fill his position.


Leck, I’m slowly losing faith in the value of awards as a means of evaluating performance. I guess I saw more of Nofa than I did of other wingers, but I don’t think that’s how he got the award is it? Didn’t he get the award because the DallyM judges gave him points compared to WT players performance? Our team performance was regrettable but Nofa’s highlight reel was a tribute to his skill and that of other players around him. A good winger competes for the high ball. Rowdy did a better job of that than Nofa. A good winger scores tries, which he did, 17 of them, but he let in 23, making him the worst defensive winger in the nrl . Jennings was so much better defensively than Nofa.
The DallM winger award carried no weight with Blues selectors.


I completely agree with you and in my opinion our Dally M points system is flawed.

It's solely based on a panel of three judges who can be biased at times.

I'd like to see it based upon a points system which collates data for both the front and back row.

For example -

**Primary Score**

**Most meters gained:** 1 point
**Most offloads:** 1 point
**Most line breaks:** 1 point
**Most line break assists:** 1 point
**Most tackles made:** 1 point
**Most kicks and effective meters gained:** 1 point
**Most missed tackles:** -1 point
**Most errors made:** -1 point
**Most penalties conceded:** -1 point
**Try scored:** 2 points


**Judges Score** (3 X judges allocate these points)

**Plays that change the game** (e.g. an outstanding attacking or defensive play, a kick from the sideline or a last second field goal to win the game): 2 points
**Overall player of the game:** 2 points

Whilst this might sound complicated we live in 2021 and can easily create algorithms which produce instant in-game data.

A system like this would ensure the Dally M was based on facts rather than just the opinions of judges.

In terms of Nofa, I think he should have made the NSW squad even if only on the bench, but I also think his defense was probably a liability that Freddy didn't want to take a punt on.

If the NRL produced weekly in-game Dally M data, who knows maybe the winners and our NSW squad would have looked different and won.

That SuperCoach point scoring is really no more efficient. In fact any individual accolades or selections will never be perfect in a team sport, because a great team makes individuals shine.

I'm not sure about that, I think we can refine it and make it much more fan friendly + interactive.

Imagine seeing each player judged live and in-game (+1 or -1 per player per criteria) judged by you?

You decide via a live app, the NRL collates your votes, and then 3 x NRL judges have the final 30% vote.

For me , it's a win/win and no-brainier for fans, the NRL and how we judge the Dally M in years to come.

 

[jirskyr]

Plus his passion for our club is 2nd to none. It really doesn’t send a great message to our juniors that even our most passionate clubmen can’t see a future here with us.

It raises the question of how passionate he is if it's very difficult to reach a reasonable agreement.

I'm not saying Nofo is being obuse or Tigers are being unreasonable, I don't claim to know what's going on, just I question how far passion for a club really goes when it's time to talk $$$.

 

[Bob]

Time to move on from Nofa. He hasn't re-signed and the writing is on the wall.

In late November his manager made it known that he wanted more coin because it was (apparently) his last chance for a contract.

Which is rubbish, he's 27 and he has at least 2 NRL contracts left + an opportunity to play ESL at the back end of his career.

Since then all we've heard is dead air.

His managers attempt to lift his price was PR jargon and we were right to offer him what he's worth
- max $450-500K.

In my opinion that's even too much. One decent year versus five average years doesn't make you a quality top 5 NRL winger.

Nofa and his manager are playing games and we should stick to our guns and promote AJ /Talau or even Momo to the right wing if he decides to defect and sign up with the Eels or Bunnies.


Sorry for being ignorant, but when was that one good year again?

He won the Dally M winger last year, which I can't deny, however he hasn't proven to be a consistent strike winger across his entire career.

If he decides to leave us I feel confident we have the talent to fill his position.


Leck, I’m slowly losing faith in the value of awards as a means of evaluating performance. I guess I saw more of Nofa than I did of other wingers, but I don’t think that’s how he got the award is it? Didn’t he get the award because the DallyM judges gave him points compared to WT players performance? Our team performance was regrettable but Nofa’s highlight reel was a tribute to his skill and that of other players around him. A good winger competes for the high ball. Rowdy did a better job of that than Nofa. A good winger scores tries, which he did, 17 of them, but he let in 23, making him the worst defensive winger in the nrl . Jennings was so much better defensively than Nofa.
The DallM winger award carried no weight with Blues selectors.


I completely agree with you and in my opinion our Dally M points system is flawed.

It's solely based on a panel of three judges who can be biased at times.

I'd like to see it based upon a points system which collates data for both the front and back row.

For example -

**Primary Score**

**Most meters gained:** 1 point
**Most offloads:** 1 point
**Most line breaks:** 1 point
**Most line break assists:** 1 point
**Most tackles made:** 1 point
**Most kicks and effective meters gained:** 1 point
**Most missed tackles:** -1 point
**Most errors made:** -1 point
**Most penalties conceded:** -1 point
**Try scored:** 2 points


**Judges Score** (3 X judges allocate these points)

**Plays that change the game** (e.g. an outstanding attacking or defensive play, a kick from the sideline or a last second field goal to win the game): 2 points
**Overall player of the game:** 2 points

Whilst this might sound complicated we live in 2021 and can easily create algorithms which produce instant in-game data.

A system like this would ensure the Dally M was based on facts rather than just the opinions of judges.

In terms of Nofa, I think he should have made the NSW squad even if only on the bench, but I also think his defense was probably a liability that Freddy didn't want to take a punt on.

If the NRL produced weekly in-game Dally M data, who knows maybe the winners and our NSW squad would have looked different and won.

That SuperCoach point scoring is really no more efficient. In fact any individual accolades or selections will never be perfect in a team sport, because a great team makes individuals shine.


I'm not sure about that, I think we can refine it and make it much more fan friendly + interactive.

Imagine seeing each player judged live and in-game (+1 or -1 per player per criteria) judged by you?

You decide via a live app, the NRL collates your votes, and then 3 x NRL judges have the final 30% vote.

For me , it's a win/win and no-brainier for fans, the NRL and how we judge the Dally M in years to come.

But if it’s the people that vote at home it will inevitably become a popularity contest. Sure the odd viewer may be totally diplomatic but most will just upvote their favourite player or team regardless of how they played. Then it will be the player that markets themselves on social media the best that ends up winning the award, not the best player.

Personally I don’t understand the need for personal accolades in a team sport. I think the reason people focus on them nowadays is because the idea of a “team” is waining. Players chop and change so much chasing a dollar, fans follow personalities, teams buy players because they are “marketable”... Three decades ago the team used to make players look good, now teams try to find players that make them look better.

(Have I said the word team enough? Team team team!!!)

Just a quick edit : it’s a good idea for the marketing team at the NRL to drive up engagement. For me however, the best players will always be just a conversation, I truly believe if you put one star player into a wooden spoon team that alone would not win them a premiership.

 

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It is a bit rich that he bags 17 tries last year and starts talking about playing finals footy and big contracts (I get that he’s entitled to do as he pleases but I find it all a bit tone deaf.) He’s played eight seasons and only scored double digits twice.

Amazing how many footballers double-down on one good season and ignore or overlook any other ordinary seasons. Esp. if we are talking 3-4 year contracts and the player has never had 3-4 consecutively good seasons.

I can understand why they do it, striking whilst iron it hot and all, but nobody can honestly say that Nofo has been one of the top wingers for multiple seasons, particularly as 2021 will be his 9th season of first grade. Madge didn't even name him to start Rd 1 of 2019.

Nofo was great in 2020 but Tim Smith was great 2005.