David Nofoaluma #164

[TigerWest]

I’m sure the club put forward a fair and reasonable offer to Nofa, maybe not as much as he would’ve liked but more than JAC is getting atm.
Local junior or not, his share of the cap space shouldn’t be determined on his historical value. He is not an antique, well not yet. If Nofa wants an increase in income then why not talk to his manager about getting him extra gigs for some TPD cash flow? Naturally his manager would float the idea of reinventing himself as a FB.
I don’t know? Maybe Nofa would be better off looking around to get a realistic valuation on his contribution in terms of cap percentile?
Should he be one of the highest paid wingers in the game?
If he wants to be then I think there are areas of his game he could improve.

Do we know what the offer was, by chance?

 

[twentyforty]

I’m sure the club put forward a fair and reasonable offer to Nofa, maybe not as much as he would’ve liked but more than JAC is getting atm.
Local junior or not, his share of the cap space shouldn’t be determined on his historical value. He is not an antique, well not yet. If Nofa wants an increase in income then why not talk to his manager about getting him extra gigs for some TPD cash flow? Naturally his manager would float the idea of reinventing himself as a FB.
I don’t know? Maybe Nofa would be better off looking around to get a realistic valuation on his contribution in terms of cap percentile?
Should he be one of the highest paid wingers in the game?
If he wants to be then I think there are areas of his game he could improve.

Do we know what the offer was, by chance?

I meant he’s been getting paid 30% more than JAC. Not including JAC’s $30k for each origin game.

 

[earl]

I’m sure the club put forward a fair and reasonable offer to Nofa, maybe not as much as he would’ve liked but more than JAC is getting atm.
Local junior or not, his share of the cap space shouldn’t be determined on his historical value. He is not an antique, well not yet. If Nofa wants an increase in income then why not talk to his manager about getting him extra gigs for some TPD cash flow? Naturally his manager would float the idea of reinventing himself as a FB.
I don’t know? Maybe Nofa would be better off looking around to get a realistic valuation on his contribution in terms of cap percentile?
Should he be one of the highest paid wingers in the game?
If he wants to be then I think there are areas of his game he could improve.

Do we know what the offer was, by chance?

I meant he’s been getting paid 30% more than JAC. Not including JAC’s $30k for each origin game.

He has been well paid in relation to his value as a winger in the comp for a while. Let's hope we retain him but our junior players should realize we've put a lot into them as well. The idea they have to get elite player salaries when they aren't performing to that level amazes me.

To be honest they often get it if they leave. Woods, Tedesco, Moses, Aloiai and Matterson are good examples of this.

I think we'd all prefer juniors stuck with us and signed prior to trying to get every last possible dollar out of their next contract but if they choose to try and get every last cent than we should just pay fair value and let them go.

 

[tony soprano]

This one will hurt considering we didn't trade him for JAC; just for him to potentially leave us after next season.

Dude JAC didn’t want to come here after receiving dogs offer $$

Nonsense.

It’s a coincidence he is heading there now ?

 

[TigerWest]

This one will hurt considering we didn't trade him for JAC; just for him to potentially leave us after next season.

Dude JAC didn’t want to come here after receiving dogs offer $$

Nonsense.

It’s a coincidence he is heading there now ?

Is he heading there?
I haven’t kept a tally, but the dogs have been buying up at high prices, not sure how they will fit JAC in, by the looks of current events for us, we won’t be paying his price either?

 

[TigerSJ]

NRL needs to give clubs who have players in Noffas situation an advantage in the cap to enable the club to keep them. If you develop a player through lower grades for years and he comes through and eventually plays at the top level for you remaining a one club player then you should receive a discount on the cap for what you pay him. This would allow the club to stave off rivals and promote loyalty. Kids can keep following their favourite players and not get confused when they leave the club and play for the opposition.

 

[TigerWest]

NRL needs to give clubs who have players in Noffas situation an advantage in the cap to enable the club to keep them. If you develop a player through lower grades for years and he comes through and eventually plays at the top level for you remaining a one club player then you should receive a discount on the cap for what you pay him. This would allow the club to stave off rivals and promote loyalty. Kids can keep following their favourite players and not get confused when they leave the club and play for the opposition.

I thought they already sort of do this, just not sure how many years you have to be here for it to kick in?

 

[rustycage]

I'm a big fan of David Nofoaluma. Love him and everything he has done for the club.

However, I stand with the club should they allow him to walk for a better deal. They should only pay him what he's worth.

He should carefully consider his options. He may be able to get more money elsewhere, but if he plays his cards right, he has a job for life here at WT.

He's playing a dangerous game with his legends pin..

:rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:

 

[pawsandclaws1]

NRL needs to give clubs who have players in Noffas situation an advantage in the cap to enable the club to keep them. If you develop a player through lower grades for years and he comes through and eventually plays at the top level for you remaining a one club player then you should receive a discount on the cap for what you pay him. This would allow the club to stave off rivals and promote loyalty. Kids can keep following their favourite players and not get confused when they leave the club and play for the opposition.

But we should only be paying him what Hartigan believes he is worth. If he wants more, he can go elsewhere.

 

[twentyforty]

NRL needs to give clubs who have players in Noffas situation an advantage in the cap to enable the club to keep them. If you develop a player through lower grades for years and he comes through and eventually plays at the top level for you remaining a one club player then you should receive a discount on the cap for what you pay him. This would allow the club to stave off rivals and promote loyalty. Kids can keep following their favourite players and not get confused when they leave the club and play for the opposition.

I thought they already sort of do this, just not sure how many years you have to be here for it to kick in?

NRL Payments for the top 30
$9.5 million – base salary cap for the Top 30 players. At least 24 Top 30 players must be contracted by 1 November, 29 Top 30 players by 1 March and 30 Top 30 players by 30 June.

$0.2 million – Veteran and Developed Player Allowance for eligible players who were either developed by the Club prior to becoming NRL players and / or have been a Top 30 player for at least 8 years at the Club or have been a Top 30 player for at least 10 years across the game

$0.1m - Motor Vehicle Allowance – a maximum amount of five motor vehicles may be provided to players in the Top 30 outside of the salary cap. (Valued at $20,000 each).

+ $0.3m per team - Paid by the NRL to the RLPA towards players' Retirement Account Contribution.

+ $0.1m per team - Paid by the NRL to the RLPA towards their administration funding.

What players can earn outside the salary cap
Unlimited - Players can earn unlimited amounts from corporate sponsors who are not associated with the club and who do not use the game's intellectual property (no club logos, jerseys or emblems) provided these are pre-approved by both a Player’s Club and the NRL. These agreements may not be negotiated by the club as an incentive for a player to sign a contract, nor can they be guaranteed by the club.

Other Benefits - Tertiary education fees, approved traineeships, medical insurance costs, relocation/temporary accommodation costs are not included in the cap but must be approved

 

[TigerSJ]

NRL needs to give clubs who have players in Noffas situation an advantage in the cap to enable the club to keep them. If you develop a player through lower grades for years and he comes through and eventually plays at the top level for you remaining a one club player then you should receive a discount on the cap for what you pay him. This would allow the club to stave off rivals and promote loyalty. Kids can keep following their favourite players and not get confused when they leave the club and play for the opposition.

I thought they already sort of do this, just not sure how many years you have to be here for it to kick in?

Yes - I believe we used that for Rowdy. It something like 10 continuous years of service at the same club and for one player only- i think?
What I am suggesting is a way for clubs to protect the investment they put into their juniors and to help control the pinching of players once they actually come good by offering too much money. Just trying to promote some loyalty in the game.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Wests Tigers fans: Cleary ruined our salary cap, we should not be paying overs for players any more.

Also Wests Tigers fans: OMG, give Nofo whatever he wants to stay.

If the club have priced Nofo accordingly and haven't totally lowballed him, I'm OK for him to walk. He says so himself that he will be out to make the most of what will be his last contract in his prime years. He's happy to look after himself, I would hope that the club has adopted the same mentality.

I will also say I like Nofo, I enjoyed watching him play some great footy this year and I would hope he stays with us, just not to the detriment of the cap.

 

[TigerWest]

NRL needs to give clubs who have players in Noffas situation an advantage in the cap to enable the club to keep them. If you develop a player through lower grades for years and he comes through and eventually plays at the top level for you remaining a one club player then you should receive a discount on the cap for what you pay him. This would allow the club to stave off rivals and promote loyalty. Kids can keep following their favourite players and not get confused when they leave the club and play for the opposition.

I thought they already sort of do this, just not sure how many years you have to be here for it to kick in?


Yes - I believe we used that for Rowdy. It something like 10 continuous years of service at the same club and for one player only- i think?
What I am suggesting is a way for clubs to protect the investment they put into their juniors and to help control the pinching of players once they actually come good by offering too much money. Just trying to promote some loyalty in the game.

Agree, but money is what it’s all about, I do believe players should take the best money they can get, they are only ever one tackle away from not playing again.

That’s why I never understood LM’s thought process, ditching our $1m offer for way unders at South’s, such is life.

 

[TigerSJ]

NRL needs to give clubs who have players in Noffas situation an advantage in the cap to enable the club to keep them. If you develop a player through lower grades for years and he comes through and eventually plays at the top level for you remaining a one club player then you should receive a discount on the cap for what you pay him. This would allow the club to stave off rivals and promote loyalty. Kids can keep following their favourite players and not get confused when they leave the club and play for the opposition.

I thought they already sort of do this, just not sure how many years you have to be here for it to kick in?



NRL Payments for the top 30
$9.5 million – base salary cap for the Top 30 players. At least 24 Top 30 players must be contracted by 1 November, 29 Top 30 players by 1 March and 30 Top 30 players by 30 June.

$0.2 million – Veteran and Developed Player Allowance for eligible players who were either developed by the Club prior to becoming NRL players and / or have been a Top 30 player for at least 8 years at the Club or have been a Top 30 player for at least 10 years across the game

$0.1m - Motor Vehicle Allowance – a maximum amount of five motor vehicles may be provided to players in the Top 30 outside of the salary cap. (Valued at $20,000 each).

+ $0.3m per team - Paid by the NRL to the RLPA towards players' Retirement Account Contribution.

+ $0.1m per team - Paid by the NRL to the RLPA towards their administration funding.

What players can earn outside the salary cap
Unlimited - Players can earn unlimited amounts from corporate sponsors who are not associated with the club and who do not use the game's intellectual property (no club logos, jerseys or emblems) provided these are pre-approved by both a Player’s Club and the NRL. These agreements may not be negotiated by the club as an incentive for a player to sign a contract, nor can they be guaranteed by the club.

Other Benefits - Tertiary education fees, approved traineeships, medical insurance costs, relocation/temporary accommodation costs are not included in the cap but must be approved

Thanks for that info 24.

Noffa debuted in May 2013 so he would be eligible for 8 years continuous top 30 discount this season - maybe this helps us to offer him a little more to reward his efforts over the years and recognise his value to the club and our brand.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

I’m sure the club put forward a fair and reasonable offer to Nofa, maybe not as much as he would’ve liked but more than JAC is getting atm.
Local junior or not, his share of the cap space shouldn’t be determined on his historical value. He is not an antique, well not yet. If Nofa wants an increase in income then why not talk to his manager about getting him extra gigs for some TPD cash flow? Naturally his manager would float the idea of reinventing himself as a FB.
I don’t know? Maybe Nofa would be better off looking around to get a realistic valuation on his contribution in terms of cap percentile?
Should he be one of the highest paid wingers in the game?
If he wants to be then I think there are areas of his game he could improve.

Do we know what the offer was, by chance?

I meant he’s been getting paid 30% more than JAC. Not including JAC’s $30k for each origin game.

Crazy when you think he was getting more than JAC

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

At 450k Nofo is value

 

[twentyforty]

I’m sure the club put forward a fair and reasonable offer to Nofa, maybe not as much as he would’ve liked but more than JAC is getting atm.
Local junior or not, his share of the cap space shouldn’t be determined on his historical value. He is not an antique, well not yet. If Nofa wants an increase in income then why not talk to his manager about getting him extra gigs for some TPD cash flow? Naturally his manager would float the idea of reinventing himself as a FB.
I don’t know? Maybe Nofa would be better off looking around to get a realistic valuation on his contribution in terms of cap percentile?
Should he be one of the highest paid wingers in the game?
If he wants to be then I think there are areas of his game he could improve.

Do we know what the offer was, by chance?

I meant he’s been getting paid 30% more than JAC. Not including JAC’s $30k for each origin game.

Crazy when you think he was getting more than JAC

I think his value became more significant at a time when we were losing homegrown stars. Maybe we had to pay overs to stop the outflow? I think we paid overs to get legends Robbie and Benji back , but a small cost if it meant improved morale. Nofa doesn’t quite fit legend status and he’s not a spine player. And Fittler’s frank assessment for not including him in SoO were fairly accurate. I always thought Nofa’s loyalty was unquestionably of value to the team, but it’s now being tested.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

He is loyal and had a great year but he is not a spine player and we have depth in backs for 2022 and beyond
Strengthen the forwards

 

[Russell]

The perception of management's ability to  preside over club matters competently is the only factor constantly scrutinised, with our retention/recruitment at the top of the list.
So to let the only current junior we've helped reach their full potential - throughout instability  - walk, would be a disservice to trying to correct this perception.
The last few years have made it impossible to measure the success of any club objectives, but I'd say seeing Nofo at peak performance and developed into a solid NRL player shows us that we are making some sort of headway.

He deserves to be rewarded for his service and efforts and the club needs to show us, and others, how they'd like to be defined when it comes to player treatment. Because there's a big downside to what we are already (highly) aware of, including in the media, when it comes to releasing our most talented juniors

Lauren I have difficulty with your last paragraph. Nofoaluma has had one good year but really is a relatively slow winger with defensive deficiencies. He imo is at max remuneration and if he wants more he can be on his way. We should back our juniors and.have confidence that another winger will emerge by the end of next year.

No player is perfect though and all have their own faults.
He still performed to the best of his ability and was one of the best wingers in the NRL this year, was my point on it. Idk why it's so hard to give him credit for that.
Not questioning the negotiations - we don't even have the facts at hand - but more that there's another factor which needs to be considered, as it happens to impact the perception of the club.
I'm hopeful we're setting the terms appropriate to the bigger picture (of the club's objectives) but also showing him his worth to the team.

Don't think there are too many juniors within the club and I honestly can't remember the last time we'd had anyone genuinely rated amongst the best in the league.
I get what's done is done but I don't wish to see the club follow the same business model that's caused us detriment before

We each have differing views on players. Imo Nofoaluma is at max dollar value. We have outstanding outside back talent at the Club. Josh Rizk is a super talent. He is a very busy player, strong and super quick.

He looks good, so do a number of others. Still only potential though.

We know how this works out most of the time - are our youngsters the 2 out of 10 that really make it, or just the 3 that become average first graders OR the 5 that fall by the wayside.

Do we stay with one we know in Noffo or take a Rizk so to speak with the youngsters. We differ here on this occasion Paws.

 

[Kiama Tiger]

I don't understand why we are all going off about what Noffa is or is not worth and what he can or cannot do based on a newspaper article. Hasn't the lesson been learnt about journalist credibility?