David Nofoaluma #164

[Lestronge]

I understand - but genetic coding and the role of the nature/nurture factors are far more complicated and still not fully known.

How it relates to Nofa is immaterial!

Wtf are you talking about ?
You questioned everyone’s intentions before ? Re. Empathy . That’s how this whole subject came up ! Are you even keeping up anymore ?
You were the one who brought all this up buddy ! You wanted clarification, I gave it to you , and now you want to change the subject .
You’re in an echo chamber and nearly no one agrees with you .
You might as well get off your soap box , because you’re just talking in circles now .

 

[4jtigers]

Exactly . Apparently he should be tarred and feathered because he was a shit defender and phoned it in for 2 years .
Some rock ape logic right there !

I agree with both of you - if he is truly remorseful then ok, maybe lend a hand or some form of assistance but if he is the way he is when he left (arrogant) then what can you do?

 

[Snidest 0]

Exactly . Apparently he should be tarred and feathered because he was a shit defender and phoned it in for 2 years .
Some rock ape logic right there !

Never had any of your staff/colleagues moved on - some welcome back - others marked "not to be re-employed" and even literally marched out?

 

[Lestronge]

It is sociology - not hard science

No science is hard though . It’s always at the mercy of best idea wins . And as far as I understood , this is the consensus around this subject .

 

[4jtigers]

Never had any of your staff/colleagues moved on - some welcome back - others marked "not to be re-employed" and even literally marched out?

I understand where you're coming from and the only way to learn is not to open yourself up for that experience again... burnt bridges are hard to cross

 

[Lestronge]

Never had any of your staff/colleagues moved on - some welcome back - others marked "not to be re-employed" and even literally marched out?

I’m not in a field where dudes are prone to self harm , once they do leave .
And the field that I was in , before this one , was prone to that as an outcome Z which has unlimited resources and help for those people .
You don’t have to like him, or even respect him , but he wore the jersey , he put in the hard yards , and the help will now be there for him.
Just like I’m sure it’s there for Taniela , even though it’s obviously too little too late.

 

[Snidest 0]

No science is hard though . It’s always at the mercy of best idea wins . And as far as I understood , this is the consensus around this subject .

Correct - and that is why I wasn't referring to the nature of empathy or why people feel empathy for a given subject!

I was stating that this spoilt prick is the least deserving of empathy - and I have explained why I feel thaty way and stand by it!

 

[GNR4LIFE]

 

[Snidest 0]

I’m not in a field where dudes are prone to self harm , once they do leave .
And the field that I was in , before this one , was prone to that as an outcome Z which has unlimited resources and help for those people .
You don’t have to like him, or even respect him , but he wore the jersey , he put in the hard yards , and the help will now be there for him.
Just like I’m sure it’s there for Taniela , even though it’s obviously too little too late.

Yes - but the duty of care ceases at a point.

That can either be on termination/separation - or if the individual is identified as vulnerable until they have entered new employment...

Just because their new gig doesn't work out doesn't mean the burden comes back to his previous employer.

He should have access to Salford's welfare team.

 

[Snidest 0]

 

[Lestronge]

Yes - but the duty of care ceases at a point.

That can either be on termination/separation - or if the individual is identified as vulnerable until they have entered new employment...

Just because their new gig doesn't work out doesn't mean the burden comes back to his previous employer.

He should have access to Salford's welfare team.

No it doesn’t . That’s where your lost ! It never ceases . Especially with CTE as the elephant in the room .
And just for reference , for men anxiety presents for a lot us as aggression , and anti social behaviour.
For me personally if I’m anxious/ feeling trapped , there’s a fair chance I’m about to activate my fight or flight , and cue stupidity and regrets .
So how can I judge someone else.

 

[Lestronge]

@Snidest 0 i don’t understand what’s funny ? THe black dog is a real issue

 

[Snidest 0]

Look I couldn’t be bothered rehashing the conversation but that’s not what you said ! You question the motives and intentions of those , basically me , who had empathy for nofa , even though he was a dickhead and probably still is.
Maybe in your pursuit of winning an argument you got lost , but as I said , the whole empathy conversation started because you questioned whether people would care about randoms in the street .
And I personally know of 2 blokes , who I didn’t like mind you, who went to sleep and never woke up by thier own hand .
That’s the extreme outcome of course , but it all starts with simple things . And maybe just maybe , if you extend your hand to even the biggest dickhead , he might have a come to Jesus moment and realise . And no I’m not religious ..

It is exactly what I said - and I have remained conistent!

 

[Lestronge]

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It is exactly what I said - and I have remained conistent!

Being consistent in ignorance is not something I’d be gloating about .

 

[Snidest 0]

@Snidest 0 i don’t understand what’s funny ? THe black dog is a real issue

Yes it is - but until Nofoaluma comes out and says he is suffering from depression I will not give any credence to the mental health fallback which is only being presented by third parties with no direct knowledge of the situation!

You can only be helped if you want to be - and he needs to take the first steps in private!

 

[TrueTiger]

This has been a very athletic conversation to say the least...I totally agree that Nofa did some good things for the team.
I also think that both of you have valid points and arguments,that's not for me to criticise...
I will only say that if Nofa had a problem with mental issues there are heaps of groups to contact let alone the WTs welfare team..
Nofa only has himself to blame criticising him or sticking up for him on the forum doesn't solve his issues...he is an adult with plenty around him to help...

 

[Lestronge]

Yes it is - but until Nofoaluma comes out and says he is suffering from depression I will not give any credence to the mental health fallback which is only being presented by third parties with no direct knowledge of the situation!

You can only be helped if you want to be - and he needs to take the first steps in private!

What ? We are talking about the club sticking by him . That’s all . And in explaining the logic behind why they not only are , but probably are obligated to . External of the fact that probably , he’s still mates with a lot of people in the building .
If you want to dismiss that . I can’t stop you . But im going to disagree with it .
CTE being the big one , even if that’s a bit cynical .

 

[Snidest 0]

What ? We are talking about the club sticking by him . That’s all . And in explaining the logic behind why they not only are , but probably are obligated to . External of the fact that probably , he’s still mates with a lot of people in the building .
If you want to dismiss that . I can’t stop you . But im going to disagree with it .
CTE being the big one , even if that’s a bit cynical .

I am fine with that - and am sure the NRL - RLPA and club would assist with any examination into possible CTE.

But I would not be welcoming him back into the fold - because he has other social habits that his "mates" who are still in the building and the club would be better off avoiding.

 

[Lestronge]

I am fine with that - and am sure the NRL - RLPA and club would assist with any examination into possible CTE.

But I would not be welcoming him back into the fold - because he has other social habits that his "mates" who are still in the building and the club would be better off avoiding.

He lost his job . And was removed from the inner sanctum , for his self destructive behaviour , which that in itself means some shit is going on with someone .
If people are going to partake in that stuff with him , do you really think it’s dependant on whether or not he’s sitting in a. Corporate box ? . They’re going to anyway. Look at Smith at the chooks . It’s ridiculous to even suggest that !
Not to mention, I would never ever go back to the club after I got sacked . Screw that ! Unless I realised I was 💯 in the wrong and needed to mend the fences .
So if he was still hearing his theme music wherever he went , I find it a long leap to assume he would tuck his tail between his legs , like he obviously has .
I don’t know what more you want ! He lost his 500k a year job, can’t get a start for a reserve grade level comp , and has had to eat the most almighty of humble pie .
On the scale of justice I think , he’s getting towards having that quota filled . Both natural and social justices .

 

[Snidest 0]

He lost his job . And was removed from the inner sanctum , for his self destructive behaviour , which that in itself means some shit is going on with someone .
If people are going to partake in that stuff with him , do you really think it’s dependant on whether or not he’s sitting in a. Corporate box ? . They’re going to anyway. Look at Smith at the chooks . It’s ridiculous to even suggest that !
Not to mention, I would never ever go back to the club after I got sacked . Screw that ! Unless I realised I was 💯 in the wrong and needed to mend the fences .
So if he was still hearing his theme music wherever he went , I find it a long leap to assume he would tuck his tail between his legs , like he obviously has .

It is a massive logical leap to claim mental health though when he had ongoing attitudfe problems for many years prior to the final implosion.

Some people are just perpetually immature and have limited learning capacity (another trait he displayed in his on-field defensive reads).

Good luck to him - but don't come back so quickly to lie in the bed you just shat in!