David Nofoaluma #164

[weststigerman]

If Nofa does decide to leave .. we have plenty left to replace him:

Asu Kepaoa
Paul Momirovski
Tommy Talau
Reece Hoffman
Wllien Kei
Zac Cini
Kane Bradley

That’s like saying if Tedesco leaves we have plenty to replace him: Lolohea, Thompson, Mbye, Doueihi.

 

[Russell]

If Nofa does decide to leave .. we have plenty left to replace him:

Asu Kepaoa
Paul Momirovski
Tommy Talau
Reece Hoffman
Wllien Kei
Zac Cini
Kane Bradley

We do (Momo is not a winger), looking down your list, can you tell me @TigerSkins who is as good as Noffo? and who will make the same amount of dirty metres as Noffo?

 

[Russell]

I’m sure the club put forward a fair and reasonable offer to Nofa, maybe not as much as he would’ve liked but more than JAC is getting atm.
Local junior or not, his share of the cap space shouldn’t be determined on his historical value. He is not an antique, well not yet. If Nofa wants an increase in income then why not talk to his manager about getting him extra gigs for some TPD cash flow? Naturally his manager would float the idea of reinventing himself as a FB.
I don’t know? Maybe Nofa would be better off looking around to get a realistic valuation on his contribution in terms of cap percentile?
Should he be one of the highest paid wingers in the game?
If he wants to be then I think there are areas of his game he could improve.

Do we know what the offer was, by chance?

No we don't, we don't even know if there was an offer as yet.

We know that his contract is up at the end of 2021, we know that someone said (maybe Pom, that it will be decided by Christmas) and that Noffo is going to test the market.

They all want to get rid of him or hang him on this evidence. Glad I'm not on trial.

 

[JC99]

I don't understand why we are all going off about what Noffa is or is not worth and what he can or cannot do based on a newspaper article. Hasn't the lesson been learnt about journalist credibility?

There’s direct quotes from David about testing the market. Don’t think it’s anything to get too worried about though that’s what any player in his situation would do

 

[Russell]

NRL needs to give clubs who have players in Noffas situation an advantage in the cap to enable the club to keep them. If you develop a player through lower grades for years and he comes through and eventually plays at the top level for you remaining a one club player then you should receive a discount on the cap for what you pay him. This would allow the club to stave off rivals and promote loyalty. Kids can keep following their favourite players and not get confused when they leave the club and play for the opposition.

I thought they already sort of do this, just not sure how many years you have to be here for it to kick in?


Yes - I believe we used that for Rowdy. It something like 10 continuous years of service at the same club and for one player only- i think?
What I am suggesting is a way for clubs to protect the investment they put into their juniors and to help control the pinching of players once they actually come good by offering too much money. Just trying to promote some loyalty in the game.

Agree, but money is what it’s all about, I do believe players should take the best money they can get, they are only ever one tackle away from not playing again.

That’s why I never understood LM’s thought process, ditching our $1m offer for way unders at South’s, such is life.

You don't really think he is getting less than we offered him do you?

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

If Nofa does decide to leave .. we have plenty left to replace him:

Asu Kepaoa
Paul Momirovski
Tommy Talau
Reece Hoffman
Wllien Kei
Zac Cini
Kane Bradley

Tommy Talau
AJ
Momo
We have Laurie coming and if we lose Nofo and do gain JAC that is an upgrade

 

[The-moP]

If Nofa does decide to leave .. we have plenty left to replace him:

Asu Kepaoa
Paul Momirovski
Tommy Talau
Reece Hoffman
Wllien Kei
Zac Cini
Kane Bradley

We do (Momo is not a winger), looking down your list, can you tell me @TigerSkins who is as good as Noffo? and who will make the same amount of dirty metres as Noffo?

Look, I love what Nofa gives us every game .. he gets us out of trouble so many times with his dummy half runs .. he scores trys for us .. but like all players he has mistakes and lets trys in now and then.

But if Nofa does leave us (I hope he doesn't) .. we have the talent waiting to fill the void should this happen .. we have tried Kepaoa, Talau and Hoffman this season and believe all of them have crossed the line to score .. Bradley is really tall (think of a Brisbane Corey Oates style) and has been used as a winger in the Canterbury Cup comp, he has the ability to find the line outwide as a winger. Momo's has played out wide for the Chooks, us and Melbourne and scored there as well. William Kei .. just watch the highlights vid of this guy .. if doesn't make grade this season .. I'll be very surprised .. !! the kid is a magnet .. !! They are all young, and can learn .. and improve .. !!

 

[pawsandclaws1]

The perception of management's ability to  preside over club matters competently is the only factor constantly scrutinised, with our retention/recruitment at the top of the list.
So to let the only current junior we've helped reach their full potential - throughout instability  - walk, would be a disservice to trying to correct this perception.
The last few years have made it impossible to measure the success of any club objectives, but I'd say seeing Nofo at peak performance and developed into a solid NRL player shows us that we are making some sort of headway.

He deserves to be rewarded for his service and efforts and the club needs to show us, and others, how they'd like to be defined when it comes to player treatment. Because there's a big downside to what we are already (highly) aware of, including in the media, when it comes to releasing our most talented juniors

Lauren I have difficulty with your last paragraph. Nofoaluma has had one good year but really is a relatively slow winger with defensive deficiencies. He imo is at max remuneration and if he wants more he can be on his way. We should back our juniors and.have confidence that another winger will emerge by the end of next year.

No player is perfect though and all have their own faults.
He still performed to the best of his ability and was one of the best wingers in the NRL this year, was my point on it. Idk why it's so hard to give him credit for that.
Not questioning the negotiations - we don't even have the facts at hand - but more that there's another factor which needs to be considered, as it happens to impact the perception of the club.
I'm hopeful we're setting the terms appropriate to the bigger picture (of the club's objectives) but also showing him his worth to the team.

Don't think there are too many juniors within the club and I honestly can't remember the last time we'd had anyone genuinely rated amongst the best in the league.
I get what's done is done but I don't wish to see the club follow the same business model that's caused us detriment before

We each have differing views on players. Imo Nofoaluma is at max dollar value. We have outstanding outside back talent at the Club. Josh Rizk is a super talent. He is a very busy player, strong and super quick.

He looks good, so do a number of others. Still only potential though.

We know how this works out most of the time - are our youngsters the 2 out of 10 that really make it, or just the 3 that become average first graders OR the 5 that fall by the wayside.

Do we stay with one we know in Noffo or take a Rizk so to speak with the youngsters. We differ here on this occasion Paws.

I understand your pov but there is plenty of time to develop the younger players before his contract expires. I detest this being played out in the media. The timing stinks after Aloiai. I doubt the WTs want this in the media. The circus is back in town only this time with a different clown managing the script? Perhaps a player may for a change let this be resolved out of the spotlight.Now that would be loyalty.

 

[TonyTiger]

Noff had a breakout year but I’m not going to lose any sleep if he moves on - memories of the defensive lapses over past seasons still fresh in my mind. I love his passion and he’s a likeable guy but as soon as Madge came out and told the Storm “David’s not going anywhere, he’s the heart and soul of Wests Tigers” you knew that his manager was contacting the Royal Mint in Canberra to ascertain how quickly they can produce more coin for his next contract. JAC is far more dynamic.

 

[Spida]

Noff had a breakout year but I’m not going to lose any sleep if he moves on - memories of the defensive lapses over past seasons still fresh in my mind. I love his passion and he’s a likeable guy but as soon as Madge came out and told the Storm “David’s not going anywhere, he’s the heart and soul of Wests Tigers” you knew that his manager was contacting the Royal Mint in Canberra to ascertain how quickly they can produce more coin for his next contract. JAC is far more dynamic.

Exactly 👌🏻.They can name their price now.

 

[Russell]

Two words to describe peoples reactions - "Just dumbfounded"

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

I lost sleep when we lost tedesco
if Nofo goes then good luck to him see ya

 

[CarltonDry]

NRL needs to give clubs who have players in Noffas situation an advantage in the cap to enable the club to keep them. If you develop a player through lower grades for years and he comes through and eventually plays at the top level for you remaining a one club player then you should receive a discount on the cap for what you pay him. This would allow the club to stave off rivals and promote loyalty. Kids can keep following their favourite players and not get confused when they leave the club and play for the opposition.

But we should only be paying him what Hartigan believes he is worth. If he wants more, he can go elsewhere.

But Hartigan had to leave his supply of brown paper bags at the Roosters so his value of players is different now

 

[pawsandclaws1]

NRL needs to give clubs who have players in Noffas situation an advantage in the cap to enable the club to keep them. If you develop a player through lower grades for years and he comes through and eventually plays at the top level for you remaining a one club player then you should receive a discount on the cap for what you pay him. This would allow the club to stave off rivals and promote loyalty. Kids can keep following their favourite players and not get confused when they leave the club and play for the opposition.

But we should only be paying him what Hartigan believes he is worth. If he wants more, he can go elsewhere.

But Hartigan had to leave his supply of brown paper bags at the Roosters so his value of players is different now

Nofoaluma shouldn't need extra to stay at the WTs. WTs have been good to him.

 

[Spartan117]

Nofa is more for us than what he offers on the field.

He is our Junior,
His Trys,
His Smile
He punches above his weight
Nofo is what the Tigers are - He is our brand

Losing him would further damage our brand amongst the fans of today.

 

[avocadoontoast]

Losing him would further damage our brand amongst the fans of today.

He's just one player. If he goes he goes.

 

[Spartan117]

Losing him would further damage our brand amongst the fans of today.

He’s just one player. If he goes he goes.

Yes, he is 1 player

But he is one of a very long list of players that choose to leave or not sign on for what we are doing here.

 

[bathursttiger1]

NRL needs to give clubs who have players in Noffas situation an advantage in the cap to enable the club to keep them. If you develop a player through lower grades for years and he comes through and eventually plays at the top level for you remaining a one club player then you should receive a discount on the cap for what you pay him. This would allow the club to stave off rivals and promote loyalty. Kids can keep following their favourite players and not get confused when they leave the club and play for the opposition.

But we should only be paying him what Hartigan believes he is worth. If he wants more, he can go elsewhere.

I think from now on Hartigan will have most of the say in the players salary.

This is how he managed the Roosters salary cap, superstars get top dollar, average players get basic wages.
Then if you want top dollars you have to perform like a game breaker.
Ryan Matterson was on $250K at the Roosters, basic money, if you want more move on or lift your performance and become a game changer.
That’s how Roosters manage their cap and I can see Hartigan operating the same way at the WT.

 

[avocadoontoast]

Losing him would further damage our brand amongst the fans of today.

He’s just one player. If he goes he goes.

Yes, he is 1 player

But he is one of a very long list of players that choose to leave or not sign on for what we are doing here.

If he's given a fair offer and chooses to take something elsewhere, that's life. He's not worth paying overs for. If we have to pay overs for someone i'd rather it be a Munster or someone like that.

This is Nofo's 9th season and he's never played a game of finals football. Maybe the change would do him good.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Losing him would further damage our brand amongst the fans of today.

He’s just one player. If he goes he goes.

Yes, he is 1 player

But he is one of a very long list of players that choose to leave or not sign on for what we are doing here.

He is no game changer. JAC, Koroibete, Simona are or were players which good influence games.