David Nofoaluma #164

[voice_of_reason]

It is if they overpaid, for example anyone that thinks Aloiai is worth $600k+ has a very inflated value of his worth.

Overpaid is relative - players can only determine their true worth based on what they're offered.

If someone is willing to pay him $600k that's what he's worth.

Clearly that will seem exorbitant to some other clubs but it's still a reflection of his value (or lack thereof).

 

[cochise]

It is if they overpaid, for example anyone that thinks Aloiai is worth $600k+ has a very inflated value of his worth.

Overpaid is relative - players can only determine their true worth based on what they're offered.

If someone is willing to pay him $600k that's what he's worth.

Clearly that will seem exorbitant to some other clubs but it's still a reflection of his value.

That is not is market value, that is his market price as I explained above.

 

[the_third]

meanwhile in attack he was:

9th in run metres (3285m) - Mansour was 2nd with 3713 but played two more games
7th in Line breaks (19) - behind Sivo, b. morris, s.katoa, JAC, AJ & tedesco
4th in tackle breaks (112) - only ponga, cotric, and tedesco above him
4th in tries scored (17) - below crichton feldt and johnston
and 5th in amounts of runs (370)

So all you people talking stats and elite wingers etc etc... what more proof would you like?


If your point is that he is pretty good, kinda middle of the road, Im with you.

He's in the top 5 or 10 in the entire comp in some stats and you think he's middle of the road? That doesn't make much sense.

Haha exactly

He's far from middle of the road. There's at least 20 to 30 outside backs behind him in those stats


Well given there are 4 x 16 "outside backs" in the comp, 30 would put his smack in the middle of the road. 20 behind him would mean he is not even middle of the road.

Im not saying he is a not a good player. He is. "Middle of the road" is probably underselling him. He would probably be top 10, I can think of 8 wingers better than him but top 10 out of 32 wingers isnt far off MoR.

He is apparently currently getting $450K pa. Not worth a cent more IMO.

Thanks for the maths lesson, the reality is if he leaves this club wouldn't be able to acquire anyone better, so let's just hope that doesn't happen

We have juniors. A replacement will not be as experienced but he may be faster, a better defender, runs the ball back equally as hard as Nofoaluma and is much cheaper.

That is hilarious. Neither Tommy, AJ or Reece Hoffman play to 50% of nofas capacity, how do U think any of the juniors below them will do much better? Usually takes a few years for wingers to really hit their straps

Why does it have be those three? We have other very good young players. He's not due to depart until end 2021. My support of WTs is not dependent upon Nofoaluma being at the club. Koroibete, JAC and Simona were far better players than him and they have all departed.

Its those 3 as they're the ones that played this year

My supports not dependant on him either, but I would be mad if he left, the same as people are mad that Tedesco is no longer with us

Mad at who?

id just be mad

Not a lot that can be done if he has an inflated value of his worth.


Its not inflated if another club offers him that amount

It is if they overpaid, for example anyone that thinks Aloiai is worth $600k+ has a very inflated value of his worth.


If someone pays him $600K he is worth $600K......to them. THats how markets work.

IMO he is not worth that much to the Tigers.

To be honest. The more clubs that pay that overs is only better for us in the long run.

As long as it’s not us

 

[WT2K]

meanwhile in attack he was:

9th in run metres (3285m) - Mansour was 2nd with 3713 but played two more games
7th in Line breaks (19) - behind Sivo, b. morris, s.katoa, JAC, AJ & tedesco
4th in tackle breaks (112) - only ponga, cotric, and tedesco above him
4th in tries scored (17) - below crichton feldt and johnston
and 5th in amounts of runs (370)

So all you people talking stats and elite wingers etc etc... what more proof would you like?


If your point is that he is pretty good, kinda middle of the road, Im with you.

He's in the top 5 or 10 in the entire comp in some stats and you think he's middle of the road? That doesn't make much sense.

Haha exactly

He's far from middle of the road. There's at least 20 to 30 outside backs behind him in those stats


Well given there are 4 x 16 "outside backs" in the comp, 30 would put his smack in the middle of the road. 20 behind him would mean he is not even middle of the road.

Im not saying he is a not a good player. He is. "Middle of the road" is probably underselling him. He would probably be top 10, I can think of 8 wingers better than him but top 10 out of 32 wingers isnt far off MoR.

He is apparently currently getting $450K pa. Not worth a cent more IMO.

Thanks for the maths lesson, the reality is if he leaves this club wouldn't be able to acquire anyone better, so let's just hope that doesn't happen

We have juniors. A replacement will not be as experienced but he may be faster, a better defender, runs the ball back equally as hard as Nofoaluma and is much cheaper.

That is hilarious. Neither Tommy, AJ or Reece Hoffman play to 50% of nofas capacity, how do U think any of the juniors below them will do much better? Usually takes a few years for wingers to really hit their straps

Why does it have be those three? We have other very good young players. He's not due to depart until end 2021. My support of WTs is not dependent upon Nofoaluma being at the club. Koroibete, JAC and Simona were far better players than him and they have all departed.

Its those 3 as they're the ones that played this year

My supports not dependant on him either, but I would be mad if he left, the same as people are mad that Tedesco is no longer with us

Mad at who?

id just be mad

Not a lot that can be done if he has an inflated value of his worth.

His reported asking price is fair in my view. If we want to go cheap on wingers and spend money elsewhere that’s another decision but the fairy tale he’s not worth in the 400s is delusional.

There are higher number floating around than that. I am happy to trust that we will get his value right.

It's looking like Hartigan is our best signing since Sheens

I believe he along with Scott Woodward will make a huge difference to this club.

Is Scott the bloke from the storm?

 

[cochise]

meanwhile in attack he was:

9th in run metres (3285m) - Mansour was 2nd with 3713 but played two more games
7th in Line breaks (19) - behind Sivo, b. morris, s.katoa, JAC, AJ & tedesco
4th in tackle breaks (112) - only ponga, cotric, and tedesco above him
4th in tries scored (17) - below crichton feldt and johnston
and 5th in amounts of runs (370)

So all you people talking stats and elite wingers etc etc... what more proof would you like?


If your point is that he is pretty good, kinda middle of the road, Im with you.

He's in the top 5 or 10 in the entire comp in some stats and you think he's middle of the road? That doesn't make much sense.

Haha exactly

He's far from middle of the road. There's at least 20 to 30 outside backs behind him in those stats


Well given there are 4 x 16 "outside backs" in the comp, 30 would put his smack in the middle of the road. 20 behind him would mean he is not even middle of the road.

Im not saying he is a not a good player. He is. "Middle of the road" is probably underselling him. He would probably be top 10, I can think of 8 wingers better than him but top 10 out of 32 wingers isnt far off MoR.

He is apparently currently getting $450K pa. Not worth a cent more IMO.

Thanks for the maths lesson, the reality is if he leaves this club wouldn't be able to acquire anyone better, so let's just hope that doesn't happen

We have juniors. A replacement will not be as experienced but he may be faster, a better defender, runs the ball back equally as hard as Nofoaluma and is much cheaper.

That is hilarious. Neither Tommy, AJ or Reece Hoffman play to 50% of nofas capacity, how do U think any of the juniors below them will do much better? Usually takes a few years for wingers to really hit their straps

Why does it have be those three? We have other very good young players. He's not due to depart until end 2021. My support of WTs is not dependent upon Nofoaluma being at the club. Koroibete, JAC and Simona were far better players than him and they have all departed.

Its those 3 as they're the ones that played this year

My supports not dependant on him either, but I would be mad if he left, the same as people are mad that Tedesco is no longer with us

Mad at who?

id just be mad

Not a lot that can be done if he has an inflated value of his worth.


Its not inflated if another club offers him that amount

It is if they overpaid, for example anyone that thinks Aloiai is worth $600k+ has a very inflated value of his worth.


If someone pays him $600K he is worth $600K......to them. THats how markets work.

IMO he is not worth that much to the Tigers.

To be honest. The more clubs that pay that overs is only better for us in the long run.

As long as it’s not us

The idea is you want to be paying as many players as possible less than their market value as that is how you build a competitive squad, going out and reaching and paying over market value, but you in a position that it is difficult to have a balanced squad and this is our problem for the last 4 years.

There are metrics to use to determine a players value and I think we are finally in a position where we will place a value on a player and stick to that value.

 

[TheDaBoss]

Any truth in these numbers pom ?

 

[gallagher]

meanwhile in attack he was:

9th in run metres (3285m) - Mansour was 2nd with 3713 but played two more games
7th in Line breaks (19) - behind Sivo, b. morris, s.katoa, JAC, AJ & tedesco
4th in tackle breaks (112) - only ponga, cotric, and tedesco above him
4th in tries scored (17) - below crichton feldt and johnston
and 5th in amounts of runs (370)

So all you people talking stats and elite wingers etc etc... what more proof would you like?


If your point is that he is pretty good, kinda middle of the road, Im with you.

He's in the top 5 or 10 in the entire comp in some stats and you think he's middle of the road? That doesn't make much sense.

Haha exactly

He's far from middle of the road. There's at least 20 to 30 outside backs behind him in those stats


Well given there are 4 x 16 "outside backs" in the comp, 30 would put his smack in the middle of the road. 20 behind him would mean he is not even middle of the road.

Im not saying he is a not a good player. He is. "Middle of the road" is probably underselling him. He would probably be top 10, I can think of 8 wingers better than him but top 10 out of 32 wingers isnt far off MoR.

He is apparently currently getting $450K pa. Not worth a cent more IMO.

Thanks for the maths lesson, the reality is if he leaves this club wouldn't be able to acquire anyone better, so let's just hope that doesn't happen

We have juniors. A replacement will not be as experienced but he may be faster, a better defender, runs the ball back equally as hard as Nofoaluma and is much cheaper.

That is hilarious. Neither Tommy, AJ or Reece Hoffman play to 50% of nofas capacity, how do U think any of the juniors below them will do much better? Usually takes a few years for wingers to really hit their straps

Why does it have be those three? We have other very good young players. He's not due to depart until end 2021. My support of WTs is not dependent upon Nofoaluma being at the club. Koroibete, JAC and Simona were far better players than him and they have all departed.

Its those 3 as they're the ones that played this year

My supports not dependant on him either, but I would be mad if he left, the same as people are mad that Tedesco is no longer with us

Mad at who?

id just be mad

Not a lot that can be done if he has an inflated value of his worth.

His reported asking price is fair in my view. If we want to go cheap on wingers and spend money elsewhere that’s another decision but the fairy tale he’s not worth in the 400s is delusional.

There are higher number floating around than that. I am happy to trust that we will get his value right.

It's looking like Hartigan is our best signing since Sheens

I believe he along with Scott Woodward will make a huge difference to this club.

Is Scott the bloke from the storm?

It is mate

 

[cochise]

meanwhile in attack he was:

9th in run metres (3285m) - Mansour was 2nd with 3713 but played two more games
7th in Line breaks (19) - behind Sivo, b. morris, s.katoa, JAC, AJ & tedesco
4th in tackle breaks (112) - only ponga, cotric, and tedesco above him
4th in tries scored (17) - below crichton feldt and johnston
and 5th in amounts of runs (370)

So all you people talking stats and elite wingers etc etc... what more proof would you like?


If your point is that he is pretty good, kinda middle of the road, Im with you.

He's in the top 5 or 10 in the entire comp in some stats and you think he's middle of the road? That doesn't make much sense.

Haha exactly

He's far from middle of the road. There's at least 20 to 30 outside backs behind him in those stats


Well given there are 4 x 16 "outside backs" in the comp, 30 would put his smack in the middle of the road. 20 behind him would mean he is not even middle of the road.

Im not saying he is a not a good player. He is. "Middle of the road" is probably underselling him. He would probably be top 10, I can think of 8 wingers better than him but top 10 out of 32 wingers isnt far off MoR.

He is apparently currently getting $450K pa. Not worth a cent more IMO.

Thanks for the maths lesson, the reality is if he leaves this club wouldn't be able to acquire anyone better, so let's just hope that doesn't happen

We have juniors. A replacement will not be as experienced but he may be faster, a better defender, runs the ball back equally as hard as Nofoaluma and is much cheaper.

That is hilarious. Neither Tommy, AJ or Reece Hoffman play to 50% of nofas capacity, how do U think any of the juniors below them will do much better? Usually takes a few years for wingers to really hit their straps

Why does it have be those three? We have other very good young players. He's not due to depart until end 2021. My support of WTs is not dependent upon Nofoaluma being at the club. Koroibete, JAC and Simona were far better players than him and they have all departed.

Its those 3 as they're the ones that played this year

My supports not dependant on him either, but I would be mad if he left, the same as people are mad that Tedesco is no longer with us

Mad at who?

id just be mad

Not a lot that can be done if he has an inflated value of his worth.

His reported asking price is fair in my view. If we want to go cheap on wingers and spend money elsewhere that’s another decision but the fairy tale he’s not worth in the 400s is delusional.

There are higher number floating around than that. I am happy to trust that we will get his value right.

It's looking like Hartigan is our best signing since Sheens

I believe he along with Scott Woodward will make a huge difference to this club.

Is Scott the bloke from the storm?

Yeah he is, he is the Recruitment and List Analyst at the Wests Tigers.

 

[BalmainJnr]

meanwhile in attack he was:

9th in run metres (3285m) - Mansour was 2nd with 3713 but played two more games
7th in Line breaks (19) - behind Sivo, b. morris, s.katoa, JAC, AJ & tedesco
4th in tackle breaks (112) - only ponga, cotric, and tedesco above him
4th in tries scored (17) - below crichton feldt and johnston
and 5th in amounts of runs (370)

So all you people talking stats and elite wingers etc etc... what more proof would you like?


If your point is that he is pretty good, kinda middle of the road, Im with you.

He's in the top 5 or 10 in the entire comp in some stats and you think he's middle of the road? That doesn't make much sense.

Haha exactly

He's far from middle of the road. There's at least 20 to 30 outside backs behind him in those stats


Well given there are 4 x 16 "outside backs" in the comp, 30 would put his smack in the middle of the road. 20 behind him would mean he is not even middle of the road.

Im not saying he is a not a good player. He is. "Middle of the road" is probably underselling him. He would probably be top 10, I can think of 8 wingers better than him but top 10 out of 32 wingers isnt far off MoR.

He is apparently currently getting $450K pa. Not worth a cent more IMO.

Thanks for the maths lesson, the reality is if he leaves this club wouldn't be able to acquire anyone better, so let's just hope that doesn't happen

We have juniors. A replacement will not be as experienced but he may be faster, a better defender, runs the ball back equally as hard as Nofoaluma and is much cheaper.

That is hilarious. Neither Tommy, AJ or Reece Hoffman play to 50% of nofas capacity, how do U think any of the juniors below them will do much better? Usually takes a few years for wingers to really hit their straps

Why does it have be those three? We have other very good young players. He's not due to depart until end 2021. My support of WTs is not dependent upon Nofoaluma being at the club. Koroibete, JAC and Simona were far better players than him and they have all departed.

Its those 3 as they're the ones that played this year

My supports not dependant on him either, but I would be mad if he left, the same as people are mad that Tedesco is no longer with us

Mad at who?

id just be mad

Not a lot that can be done if he has an inflated value of his worth.


Its not inflated if another club offers him that amount

It is if they overpaid, for example anyone that thinks Aloiai is worth $600k+ has a very inflated value of his worth.

It’s nice seeing and reading about a club that is not WT over spending on a player.

 

[cochise]

meanwhile in attack he was:

9th in run metres (3285m) - Mansour was 2nd with 3713 but played two more games
7th in Line breaks (19) - behind Sivo, b. morris, s.katoa, JAC, AJ & tedesco
4th in tackle breaks (112) - only ponga, cotric, and tedesco above him
4th in tries scored (17) - below crichton feldt and johnston
and 5th in amounts of runs (370)

So all you people talking stats and elite wingers etc etc... what more proof would you like?


If your point is that he is pretty good, kinda middle of the road, Im with you.

He's in the top 5 or 10 in the entire comp in some stats and you think he's middle of the road? That doesn't make much sense.

Haha exactly

He's far from middle of the road. There's at least 20 to 30 outside backs behind him in those stats


Well given there are 4 x 16 "outside backs" in the comp, 30 would put his smack in the middle of the road. 20 behind him would mean he is not even middle of the road.

Im not saying he is a not a good player. He is. "Middle of the road" is probably underselling him. He would probably be top 10, I can think of 8 wingers better than him but top 10 out of 32 wingers isnt far off MoR.

He is apparently currently getting $450K pa. Not worth a cent more IMO.

Thanks for the maths lesson, the reality is if he leaves this club wouldn't be able to acquire anyone better, so let's just hope that doesn't happen

We have juniors. A replacement will not be as experienced but he may be faster, a better defender, runs the ball back equally as hard as Nofoaluma and is much cheaper.

That is hilarious. Neither Tommy, AJ or Reece Hoffman play to 50% of nofas capacity, how do U think any of the juniors below them will do much better? Usually takes a few years for wingers to really hit their straps

Why does it have be those three? We have other very good young players. He's not due to depart until end 2021. My support of WTs is not dependent upon Nofoaluma being at the club. Koroibete, JAC and Simona were far better players than him and they have all departed.

Its those 3 as they're the ones that played this year

My supports not dependant on him either, but I would be mad if he left, the same as people are mad that Tedesco is no longer with us

Mad at who?

id just be mad

Not a lot that can be done if he has an inflated value of his worth.


Its not inflated if another club offers him that amount

It is if they overpaid, for example anyone that thinks Aloiai is worth $600k+ has a very inflated value of his worth.

It’s nice seeing and reading about a club that is not WT over spending on a player.

Isn't it, i'm also confident it is a thing of the past for us.

 

[BAGNF05]

Straight swap Noffa for Fergo, yes or no?

 

[cochise]

Straight swap Noffa for Fergo, yes or no?

no

 

[Tiger5150]

Straight swap Noffa for Fergo, yes or no?

.....mmmmmm....close....but no.....only because Noffa is 27 and Fergo is 30.

 

[BAGNF05]

Straight swap Noffa for Fergo, yes or no?

no

Fergo has a better body of work whereas noffa had a really good year, Fergo probably has some baggage, I’m on the fence.

 

[cochise]

Straight swap Noffa for Fergo, yes or no?

no

Fergo has a better body of work whereas noffa had a really good year, Fergo probably has some baggage, I’m on the fence.

It doesn't improve our squad

 

[BAGNF05]

Straight swap Noffa for Fergo, yes or no?

no

Fergo has a better body of work whereas noffa had a really good year, Fergo probably has some baggage, I’m on the fence.

It doesn't improve our squad

Think it would start our sets better tbh

 

[BAGNF05]

Straight swap Noffa for Fergo, yes or no?

.....mmmmmm....close....but no.....only because Noffa is 27 and Fergo is 30.

Yeah age plus Fergo had started to get injuries, you’re probably right

 

[cochise]

Straight swap Noffa for Fergo, yes or no?

no

Fergo has a better body of work whereas noffa had a really good year, Fergo probably has some baggage, I’m on the fence.

It doesn't improve our squad

Think it would start our sets better tbh

So would Mansour but I would be reluctant to take him either.

One of the key metrics we need to improve is total yardage, now both Fergo and Mansour would probably improve that but in your option you also lose by the subtraction of Noffa who is also pretty strong in that department.

 

[BAGNF05]

Straight swap Noffa for Fergo, yes or no?

no

Fergo has a better body of work whereas noffa had a really good year, Fergo probably has some baggage, I’m on the fence.

It doesn't improve our squad

Think it would start our sets better tbh

So would Mansour but I would be reluctant to take him either.

One of the key metrics we need to improve is total yardage, now both Fergo and Mansour would probably improve that but in your option you also lose by the subtraction of Noffa who is also pretty strong in that department.

Huge no to Mansour, couldn’t catch a cold

 

[cochise]

Straight swap Noffa for Fergo, yes or no?

.....mmmmmm....close....but no.....only because Noffa is 27 and Fergo is 30.

Yeah age plus Fergo had started to get injuries, you’re probably right

The age would be a worry for me as well, I am more forgiving of a poor season from a 25 year old, with a 30 year old is that bed season a permanent deterioration instead of one bad year is the question that raises concerns for me.