David Nofoaluma #164

@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290188) said:
@Strongee said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290183) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290180) said:
@Strongee said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290179) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290176) said:
@Strongee said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290175) said:
Man if this going to Souths stuff is real , we really should have traded Nofa to Melbourne for JAC . I was totally against it , as I thought Nofa deserved to be treated as a top guy and all that that entails . Seriously though , if Nofa did have intentions to go , he should have let us know when we were pursuing JAC. , as he was the one guy that would have got that deal over the line .

What if he didn't want to go?
.

Totally , but from all accounts we didn’t even ask him , as we treated him with the utmost respect . Ok , even from a funds allocation . We offered less than the dogs , in which we could have matched thier offer , as I’m assuming that was because we had funds allocated for Nofa.

That wouldn't have changed our offer, that is not how the club operates.

Wouldn’t it just have been sums though . Ie you want 2 elite wingers of which your willing to commit 600+500 so 1.1mil . If you pay one 700k , and say a mansour type 350k , wouldn’t you theoretically come out exactly the same ?

The idea is to get as many players under value as possible, that does allow you to over spend on some key players that turn your team into a contender. A winger, even JAC, are not the players you over spend on. You use that money on the true elite in the game that are transformational for your team.

Mate I love your passionate support of the club but can you wait until we have some success, maybe make the eight, with this magical strategy before singing about it so much. We’ve won nothing more than a couple of floggings of Brisbane and Canterbury lately.
 
@mike said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290193) said:
@Speed2burn said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290187) said:
@mike said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290185) said:
@Speed2burn said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290182) said:
@JC99 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290178) said:
I don’t see Souths signing Nofa. They didn’t chase JAC too hard it seems so why go for a lesser winger for the same (or possibly more) dollars? I know they lose Allan but he was only a depth player anyway. Just doesn’t add up

I reckon souffs didn’t have the funds, now that they’ve offloaded Allan maybe they do.

Also a bit left field, maybe dogs swapped Remis smith for JAC but haven’t publicly announced it so tigers don’t blow up a fuss. I know Josh goes to the Dogs in 2022 but I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets released early now that they have smith

Do you really think the Dogs would give a rats about what the Wests Tigers think? It would not even enter their mindset for a second.

Nope. But wouldn’t the heads of agreement tigers made with JAC be a conflict of interest then?

I doubt the Dogs would care. Despite what has been stated publicly and in the press, Heads of Agreements are generally non binding. They are not contracts but outline what the contract would be if it eventuates. I’m sure there a lawyers on this forum that can clarify and let me know if I am wrong.

I’m not a lawyer but Lee H confirmed the document was legally binding. I think he said it was a “memorandum of understanding” rather than a “heads of agreement”. Not sure if that changes anything.
 
@nrlsurvivor said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290196) said:
@mike said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290193) said:
@Speed2burn said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290187) said:
@mike said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290185) said:
@Speed2burn said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290182) said:
@JC99 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290178) said:
I don’t see Souths signing Nofa. They didn’t chase JAC too hard it seems so why go for a lesser winger for the same (or possibly more) dollars? I know they lose Allan but he was only a depth player anyway. Just doesn’t add up

I reckon souffs didn’t have the funds, now that they’ve offloaded Allan maybe they do.

Also a bit left field, maybe dogs swapped Remis smith for JAC but haven’t publicly announced it so tigers don’t blow up a fuss. I know Josh goes to the Dogs in 2022 but I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets released early now that they have smith

Do you really think the Dogs would give a rats about what the Wests Tigers think? It would not even enter their mindset for a second.

Nope. But wouldn’t the heads of agreement tigers made with JAC be a conflict of interest then?

I doubt the Dogs would care. Despite what has been stated publicly and in the press, Heads of Agreements are generally non binding. They are not contracts but outline what the contract would be if it eventuates. I’m sure there a lawyers on this forum that can clarify and let me know if I am wrong.

I’m not a lawyer but Lee H confirmed the document was legally binding. I think he said it was a “memorandum of understanding” rather than a “heads of agreement”. Not sure if that changes anything.

Of course he would. That’s what you expect him to say as a lawyer representing the Wests Tigers, that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s true under the law. Yeah sorry you are right it was memorandum of understanding.

“ A 'Memorandum of Understanding' is also known as an 'MOU'. MOUs are generally used to document a relationship of goodwill between the parties to the MOU. MOUs are generally not legally binding (however note that a MOU may be legally binding if it satisfies all of the six elements of a Contract).”
 
@BAGNF05 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290194) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290188) said:
@Strongee said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290183) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290180) said:
@Strongee said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290179) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290176) said:
@Strongee said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290175) said:
Man if this going to Souths stuff is real , we really should have traded Nofa to Melbourne for JAC . I was totally against it , as I thought Nofa deserved to be treated as a top guy and all that that entails . Seriously though , if Nofa did have intentions to go , he should have let us know when we were pursuing JAC. , as he was the one guy that would have got that deal over the line .

What if he didn't want to go?
.

Totally , but from all accounts we didn’t even ask him , as we treated him with the utmost respect . Ok , even from a funds allocation . We offered less than the dogs , in which we could have matched thier offer , as I’m assuming that was because we had funds allocated for Nofa.

That wouldn't have changed our offer, that is not how the club operates.

Wouldn’t it just have been sums though . Ie you want 2 elite wingers of which your willing to commit 600+500 so 1.1mil . If you pay one 700k , and say a mansour type 350k , wouldn’t you theoretically come out exactly the same ?

The idea is to get as many players under value as possible, that does allow you to over spend on some key players that turn your team into a contender. A winger, even JAC, are not the players you over spend on. You use that money on the true elite in the game that are transformational for your team.

Mate I love your passionate support of the club but can you wait until we have some success, maybe make the eight, with this magical strategy before singing about it so much. We’ve won nothing more than a couple of floggings of Brisbane and Canterbury lately.

lol, Just pleased we aren't making the mistakes of the past and over paying people to come here. Look at the mess that created before. JAC very early on had decided that he didn't want to come here.
 
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290188) said:
@Strongee said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290183) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290180) said:
@Strongee said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290179) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290176) said:
@Strongee said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290175) said:
Man if this going to Souths stuff is real , we really should have traded Nofa to Melbourne for JAC . I was totally against it , as I thought Nofa deserved to be treated as a top guy and all that that entails . Seriously though , if Nofa did have intentions to go , he should have let us know when we were pursuing JAC. , as he was the one guy that would have got that deal over the line .

What if he didn't want to go?
.

Totally , but from all accounts we didn’t even ask him , as we treated him with the utmost respect . Ok , even from a funds allocation . We offered less than the dogs , in which we could have matched thier offer , as I’m assuming that was because we had funds allocated for Nofa.

That wouldn't have changed our offer, that is not how the club operates.

Wouldn’t it just have been sums though . Ie you want 2 elite wingers of which your willing to commit 600+500 so 1.1mil . If you pay one 700k , and say a mansour type 350k , wouldn’t you theoretically come out exactly the same ?

The idea is to get as many players under value as possible, that does allow you to over spend on some key players that turn your team into a contender. A winger, even JAC, are not the players you over spend on. You use that money on the true elite in the game that are transformational for your team.

Yea , I agree . I’m all for that logic , and I advocate for it , but that’s not money ball. Money ball is the accumulation of a total 17 players WAR( whatever figure RL uses) to equate to a higher WAR than the other team . Eventually leading to actual wins . You can still pay a player a high salary if his WAR contributes to the final equation. I guess as I type that’s the thing your really saying . We didn’t think with JAC,that figure was at any point going to contribute what was needed equivalent to the salary cap percentage he was going to take . Ie if we payed him the 700k , the amount of WAR his opposite winger would have needed to make up , compared to the salary cap percentage he was going to take was going to be really difficult.
I know I’m over thinking it , but geez I hope the club thinks about it in smarter ways than I can . Anyways late night drunken rant over lol
 
@mike said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290197) said:
@nrlsurvivor said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290196) said:
@mike said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290193) said:
@Speed2burn said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290187) said:
@mike said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290185) said:
@Speed2burn said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290182) said:
@JC99 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290178) said:
I don’t see Souths signing Nofa. They didn’t chase JAC too hard it seems so why go for a lesser winger for the same (or possibly more) dollars? I know they lose Allan but he was only a depth player anyway. Just doesn’t add up

I reckon souffs didn’t have the funds, now that they’ve offloaded Allan maybe they do.

Also a bit left field, maybe dogs swapped Remis smith for JAC but haven’t publicly announced it so tigers don’t blow up a fuss. I know Josh goes to the Dogs in 2022 but I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets released early now that they have smith

Do you really think the Dogs would give a rats about what the Wests Tigers think? It would not even enter their mindset for a second.

Nope. But wouldn’t the heads of agreement tigers made with JAC be a conflict of interest then?

I doubt the Dogs would care. Despite what has been stated publicly and in the press, Heads of Agreements are generally non binding. They are not contracts but outline what the contract would be if it eventuates. I’m sure there a lawyers on this forum that can clarify and let me know if I am wrong.

I’m not a lawyer but Lee H confirmed the document was legally binding. I think he said it was a “memorandum of understanding” rather than a “heads of agreement”. Not sure if that changes anything.

Of course he would. That’s what you expect him to say as a lawyer representing the Wests Tigers, that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s true under the law.

Sure he’s not exactly independent, however it was used as an example in a radio segment about sport and the law. He would risk his credibility in the profession if he gets it wrong.
 
@Strongee said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290191) said:
@diedpretty said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290186) said:
Ah i love the off season. After fighting with the family over Xmas and tired of having the Covid fever and the boogie woogie flu its refreshing to see all the young"uns on here having heart palpitations over unsubstantiated rumours. Warms the cockles of my heart to see the frustration i used to go through 50 years ago are still alive and well. No doubt some may come true - i mean the tooth fairy and santa still exists - so it can't all be bad. Ah well i might just go and down another gin - its meant to be the liquor for downers.

I don’t care if we lose Nofa , as amazing as he is in attack , the kid is horrendous in defence . And I’m a Nofa fan . I’m more confused about the player swap we refused . But whatever , if we get mansour who is better than Nofa defensively but nowhere near as good offensively and Laurie , then , that would ring a bit hollow , but I think improve the team as a whole .
I’m huge on defence . Like I’ve said 100 times . I’d rather Win 12-8 than lose 36-30. I don’t care who is in the team . I want a brick wall in the defensive line . If that’s Nofa ,fine . If there’s a player who can offer more defensively and 70% attack . Then that’s a player I’d consider as well .

Obviously your me 20 years ago - sweating on everything the club does. I've mellowed a bit. 2005 will still live on forever for me. I watched the game at the Hoey Moey with my kids and remember banging garbage bins and howling to the moon as we walked back to our unit. Nowdays its just a business - money talks - - if we do well on the field the talk will be a little bit louder. Until its a scream we will always be middle of the road.
 
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290198) said:
@BAGNF05 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290194) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290188) said:
@Strongee said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290183) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290180) said:
@Strongee said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290179) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290176) said:
@Strongee said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290175) said:
Man if this going to Souths stuff is real , we really should have traded Nofa to Melbourne for JAC . I was totally against it , as I thought Nofa deserved to be treated as a top guy and all that that entails . Seriously though , if Nofa did have intentions to go , he should have let us know when we were pursuing JAC. , as he was the one guy that would have got that deal over the line .

What if he didn't want to go?
.

Totally , but from all accounts we didn’t even ask him , as we treated him with the utmost respect . Ok , even from a funds allocation . We offered less than the dogs , in which we could have matched thier offer , as I’m assuming that was because we had funds allocated for Nofa.

That wouldn't have changed our offer, that is not how the club operates.

Wouldn’t it just have been sums though . Ie you want 2 elite wingers of which your willing to commit 600+500 so 1.1mil . If you pay one 700k , and say a mansour type 350k , wouldn’t you theoretically come out exactly the same ?

The idea is to get as many players under value as possible, that does allow you to over spend on some key players that turn your team into a contender. A winger, even JAC, are not the players you over spend on. You use that money on the true elite in the game that are transformational for your team.

Mate I love your passionate support of the club but can you wait until we have some success, maybe make the eight, with this magical strategy before singing about it so much. We’ve won nothing more than a couple of floggings of Brisbane and Canterbury lately.

lol, Just pleased we aren't making the mistakes of the past and over paying people to come here. Look at the mess that created before. JAC very early on had decided that he didn't want to come here.

My big thing is it’s not about the overpayment as much as the people we selected. We went with Mbye, Reynolds, Packer and BJ. Whoever thought those blokes were worth big money was plain wrong, had they overpaid four different players maybe we’re not in such a state.
 
@nrlsurvivor said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290200) said:
@mike said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290197) said:
@nrlsurvivor said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290196) said:
@mike said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290193) said:
@Speed2burn said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290187) said:
@mike said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290185) said:
@Speed2burn said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290182) said:
@JC99 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290178) said:
I don’t see Souths signing Nofa. They didn’t chase JAC too hard it seems so why go for a lesser winger for the same (or possibly more) dollars? I know they lose Allan but he was only a depth player anyway. Just doesn’t add up

I reckon souffs didn’t have the funds, now that they’ve offloaded Allan maybe they do.

Also a bit left field, maybe dogs swapped Remis smith for JAC but haven’t publicly announced it so tigers don’t blow up a fuss. I know Josh goes to the Dogs in 2022 but I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets released early now that they have smith

Do you really think the Dogs would give a rats about what the Wests Tigers think? It would not even enter their mindset for a second.

Nope. But wouldn’t the heads of agreement tigers made with JAC be a conflict of interest then?

I doubt the Dogs would care. Despite what has been stated publicly and in the press, Heads of Agreements are generally non binding. They are not contracts but outline what the contract would be if it eventuates. I’m sure there a lawyers on this forum that can clarify and let me know if I am wrong.

I’m not a lawyer but Lee H confirmed the document was legally binding. I think he said it was a “memorandum of understanding” rather than a “heads of agreement”. Not sure if that changes anything.

Of course he would. That’s what you expect him to say as a lawyer representing the Wests Tigers, that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s true under the law.

Sure he’s not exactly independent, however it was used as an example in a radio segment about sport and the law. He would risk his credibility in the profession if he gets it wrong.

I’ve edited my response. I don’t think it would effect his credibility at all, half a lawyer’s arsenal is bluff.
 
@Rowdy12 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1289862) said:
When a try is scored in the corner due an overlap, it’s very rarely solely the wingers fault, despite what a number of our fans seem to think

What about when he doesn't bother trying to catch a ball kicked in his direction and he lets Edric Lee waltz over and score an easy try or 2
Is that someone else's fault
 
@BAGNF05 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290202) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290198) said:
@BAGNF05 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290194) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290188) said:
@Strongee said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290183) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290180) said:
@Strongee said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290179) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290176) said:
@Strongee said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290175) said:
Man if this going to Souths stuff is real , we really should have traded Nofa to Melbourne for JAC . I was totally against it , as I thought Nofa deserved to be treated as a top guy and all that that entails . Seriously though , if Nofa did have intentions to go , he should have let us know when we were pursuing JAC. , as he was the one guy that would have got that deal over the line .

What if he didn't want to go?
.

Totally , but from all accounts we didn’t even ask him , as we treated him with the utmost respect . Ok , even from a funds allocation . We offered less than the dogs , in which we could have matched thier offer , as I’m assuming that was because we had funds allocated for Nofa.

That wouldn't have changed our offer, that is not how the club operates.

Wouldn’t it just have been sums though . Ie you want 2 elite wingers of which your willing to commit 600+500 so 1.1mil . If you pay one 700k , and say a mansour type 350k , wouldn’t you theoretically come out exactly the same ?

The idea is to get as many players under value as possible, that does allow you to over spend on some key players that turn your team into a contender. A winger, even JAC, are not the players you over spend on. You use that money on the true elite in the game that are transformational for your team.

Mate I love your passionate support of the club but can you wait until we have some success, maybe make the eight, with this magical strategy before singing about it so much. We’ve won nothing more than a couple of floggings of Brisbane and Canterbury lately.

lol, Just pleased we aren't making the mistakes of the past and over paying people to come here. Look at the mess that created before. JAC very early on had decided that he didn't want to come here.

My big thing is it’s not about the overpayment as much as the people we selected. We went with Mbye, Reynolds, Packer and BJ. Whoever thought those blokes were worth big money was plain wrong, had they overpaid four different players maybe we’re not in such a state.

I agree with that, the issue is if you are overpaying guys like Nofa or even JAC there is no room to move when those right guys become available.

I still won't place BJ is the same category as the others, he does some dumb things but can also turn a game and I expect a much better year from him in 2021, it was also only a 2 year contract so its a lot lower risk gamble than the other were. In saying that that contracts have sunk us for the past 3 years.
 
@yeahcaz said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290099) said:
@Jedi_Tiger said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290013) said:
@JC99 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1289914) said:
@williewagtail said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1289912) said:
hello Tigers fans, Souths have expressed interest in signing Nofoaluma as expressed in the news this morning however, it isn’t all gloomy on your guys end. Laurie and Mansour will be heading to you guys this year if Nofoaluma elects to take up the Souths offer, if he does he could potentially be heading there for the 2021 season.

Your team is also interested in signing Dallin Watene-zalezniak from the Bulldogs. He played his best football under Michael Maguire for the Kiwi international side. This signing is most likely for 2022 but nonetheless a good signing.

Not sure letting Nofa go early is worth it to get Mansour and Laurie. We’re getting Laurie in 2022 anyway and Mansour is a downgrade

As for DWZ he did play good under Madge but he’s been pretty average lately, he’s no fullback and not sure he’s that great a winger either

Thanks for the info though

Mansouris not a downgrade David has had ONE good year that is all

Imagine trading a dally m winger of the year for a bloke who’s just turned 30, just so we can get an unproven talent a year early. Mansour is a downgrade on almost every level. But it seems you’re the leader of the Nofoaluma hate club so I’m sure this won’t register with you very well

Who said anything about a trade
If Nofoaluma wants out we can't stop him
All we can do is keep him here to fulfil his contract
And what is the point in this situation of keeping someone here that doesn't want to be here
We should do what we need to to get Laurie here
If it means getting Mansour for 2 years Max on a heavily subsidised deal we still win
If Nofoaluma is on $400'000 this year and we can get Mansour for say $250'000 with kicking in the rest, it's a win win
We get Laurie
We save $150'000
We get Mansour who is no slouch despite what some of you think
He will more than hold his own
And if he is only costing us $250'000 he would be a perfect back up if he doesn't start
For $250'000 he is a perfect depth player
Just think about our wingers of the past in Molten, John Hopoate, Lola Milford, Hassan Saleh, Ahmad Bajouri, Balin Cupples, Robert Miles, Dean Collins, Jason Moodie, Mathew Rieck, Shannon McDonnell, Penrith Tagive, Geoff Daniela, Mitch Brown, Matt Utai, Joel Reddy, Jy Hitchcox, Kevin Naiqama, Delouise Hoeter, Jordan Rankin, Justin Hunt, Mahe Fonoa, Robert Jennings

Just let those names sink in a bit
Then have a reel good think
Is Josh Mansour really that bad
Or are we expecting to much
In my books he is better then all those names listed and probably a few more
Sure his best years may be behind him but he still offers plenty
Some people need to take their blindfolds off
Mansour would still be better now then over 90% of the wingers that have played for this club
A two year deal i think would be a smart deal at $250'000
It leaves us with more $ in the bank if Nofoaluma leaves
That can go towards a Crichton x 2 or Staggs or B Smith or Jahrome Hughes or Cameron McInnes
 
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290176) said:
@Strongee said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290175) said:
Man if this going to Souths stuff is real , we really should have traded Nofa to Melbourne for JAC . I was totally against it , as I thought Nofa deserved to be treated as a top guy and all that that entails . Seriously though , if Nofa did have intentions to go , he should have let us know when we were pursuing JAC. , as he was the one guy that would have got that deal over the line .

What if he didn't want to go?

And to add to this... giving them Nofa wouldn't have made JAC want to come here.
 
@Moh said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290214) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290176) said:
@Strongee said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290175) said:
Man if this going to Souths stuff is real , we really should have traded Nofa to Melbourne for JAC . I was totally against it , as I thought Nofa deserved to be treated as a top guy and all that that entails . Seriously though , if Nofa did have intentions to go , he should have let us know when we were pursuing JAC. , as he was the one guy that would have got that deal over the line .

What if he didn't want to go?

And to add to this... giving them Nofa wouldn't have made JAC want to come here.

Correct, it was apparently fairly early on that JAC wmay have been stalling.
 
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290205) said:
@BAGNF05 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290202) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290198) said:
@BAGNF05 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290194) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290188) said:
@Strongee said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290183) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290180) said:
@Strongee said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290179) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290176) said:
@Strongee said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290175) said:
Man if this going to Souths stuff is real , we really should have traded Nofa to Melbourne for JAC . I was totally against it , as I thought Nofa deserved to be treated as a top guy and all that that entails . Seriously though , if Nofa did have intentions to go , he should have let us know when we were pursuing JAC. , as he was the one guy that would have got that deal over the line .

What if he didn't want to go?
.

Totally , but from all accounts we didn’t even ask him , as we treated him with the utmost respect . Ok , even from a funds allocation . We offered less than the dogs , in which we could have matched thier offer , as I’m assuming that was because we had funds allocated for Nofa.

That wouldn't have changed our offer, that is not how the club operates.

Wouldn’t it just have been sums though . Ie you want 2 elite wingers of which your willing to commit 600+500 so 1.1mil . If you pay one 700k , and say a mansour type 350k , wouldn’t you theoretically come out exactly the same ?

The idea is to get as many players under value as possible, that does allow you to over spend on some key players that turn your team into a contender. A winger, even JAC, are not the players you over spend on. You use that money on the true elite in the game that are transformational for your team.

Mate I love your passionate support of the club but can you wait until we have some success, maybe make the eight, with this magical strategy before singing about it so much. We’ve won nothing more than a couple of floggings of Brisbane and Canterbury lately.

lol, Just pleased we aren't making the mistakes of the past and over paying people to come here. Look at the mess that created before. JAC very early on had decided that he didn't want to come here.

My big thing is it’s not about the overpayment as much as the people we selected. We went with Mbye, Reynolds, Packer and BJ. Whoever thought those blokes were worth big money was plain wrong, had they overpaid four different players maybe we’re not in such a state.

I agree with that, the issue is if you are overpaying guys like Nofa or even JAC there is no room to move when those right guys become available.

I still won't place BJ is the same category as the others, he does some dumb things but can also turn a game and I expect a much better year from him in 2021, it was also only a 2 year contract so its a lot lower risk gamble than the other were. In saying that that contracts have sunk us for the past 3 years.

It’s all opinions but I think JAC is the type of guy you get value for, he’s no shrinking violet. BJ on the other hand was horrendous considering his pay packet, I hope he makes up for it a bit this year but I really don’t see it, the guy has as always been an enigma. Common sense trumps data sometimes.
 
C'mon people... Every off-contract player has his manager singing & dancing to the tune of "Pay-Me-More"... Why shouldn't he try the same thing? We all know the drill, why are we getting all up in arms about this situation?
Compare Nofo's stats to JAC's...
Compare Nofo's stats to Sauce's...
Compare Nofo's stats to Cotric's...
Now consider where we finished on the table to where the other players teams finished...
2 played in the GF, the other was a serious contender.
For all his errors (which are low by comparison) or defensive lapses, Nof can't be solely responsible for any losses because it's a team sport.
We have, right now, a bloody good winger who is passionate about this club and who has stayed this long by choice.
Things should have been different with Teddy & Woodsy... Ivan's a dead-sh*t...
JAC's performance and price-tag vs Nofs output and what he's asking...
Any negotiation starts with overs... Its a haggling contest, and we've gotta expect that.
You may not agree, but I think you can see where I stand and why.
 
@Cairnstigers said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290213) said:
@yeahcaz said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290099) said:
@Jedi_Tiger said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290013) said:
@JC99 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1289914) said:
@williewagtail said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1289912) said:
hello Tigers fans, Souths have expressed interest in signing Nofoaluma as expressed in the news this morning however, it isn’t all gloomy on your guys end. Laurie and Mansour will be heading to you guys this year if Nofoaluma elects to take up the Souths offer, if he does he could potentially be heading there for the 2021 season.

Your team is also interested in signing Dallin Watene-zalezniak from the Bulldogs. He played his best football under Michael Maguire for the Kiwi international side. This signing is most likely for 2022 but nonetheless a good signing.

Not sure letting Nofa go early is worth it to get Mansour and Laurie. We’re getting Laurie in 2022 anyway and Mansour is a downgrade

As for DWZ he did play good under Madge but he’s been pretty average lately, he’s no fullback and not sure he’s that great a winger either

Thanks for the info though

Mansouris not a downgrade David has had ONE good year that is all

Imagine trading a dally m winger of the year for a bloke who’s just turned 30, just so we can get an unproven talent a year early. Mansour is a downgrade on almost every level. But it seems you’re the leader of the Nofoaluma hate club so I’m sure this won’t register with you very well

Who said anything about a trade
If Nofoaluma wants out we can't stop him
All we can do is keep him here to fulfil his contract
And what is the point in this situation of keeping someone here that doesn't want to be here
We should do what we need to to get Laurie here
If it means getting Mansour for 2 years Max on a heavily subsidised deal we still win
If Nofoaluma is on $400'000 this year and we can get Mansour for say $250'000 with kicking in the rest, it's a win win
We get Laurie
We save $150'000
We get Mansour who is no slouch despite what some of you think
He will more than hold his own
And if he is only costing us $250'000 he would be a perfect back up if he doesn't start
For $250'000 he is a perfect depth player
Just think about our wingers of the past in Molten, John Hopoate, Lola Milford, Hassan Saleh, Ahmad Bajouri, Balin Cupples, Robert Miles, Dean Collins, Jason Moodie, Mathew Rieck, Shannon McDonnell, Penrith Tagive, Geoff Daniela, Mitch Brown, Matt Utai, Joel Reddy, Jy Hitchcox, Kevin Naiqama, Delouise Hoeter, Jordan Rankin, Justin Hunt, Mahe Fonoa, Robert Jennings

Just let those names sink in a bit
Then have a reel good think
Is Josh Mansour really that bad
Or are we expecting to much
In my books he is better then all those names listed and probably a few more
Sure his best years may be behind him but he still offers plenty
Some people need to take their blindfolds off
Mansour would still be better now then over 90% of the wingers that have played for this club
A two year deal i think would be a smart deal at $250'000
It leaves us with more $ in the bank if Nofoaluma leaves
That can go towards a Crichton x 2 or Staggs or B Smith or Jahrome Hughes or Cameron McInnes

This is the mistake most make.

Mansour has 1 year left at the Panthers.
If he signs for any years after 2021 we pay full cost.
He wants a 3yr deal.

Mansour isn’t the player we should recruit just to bring a kid to our club a season early. We need to stop the panic buy, that’s what gets us into major trouble ever year.

Mansour doesn’t have the speed, his lateral movement isn’t what it was years ago - if you watched him last 2yrs anyone could see it and he will play reserves to allow a kid to play first grade at the Panthers who has hardly had a run.

There is a reason no club has snapped him up yet even with the Panthers willing to pay some freight.

Paying 250k ++ a season for a aged depth player is crazy. No serious club would do this deal.

Mansour is someone we need to stay well clear of if we are serious for 2022 & 2023.
 
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290176) said:
@Strongee said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290175) said:
Man if this going to Souths stuff is real , we really should have traded Nofa to Melbourne for JAC . I was totally against it , as I thought Nofa deserved to be treated as a top guy and all that that entails . Seriously though , if Nofa did have intentions to go , he should have let us know when we were pursuing JAC. , as he was the one guy that would have got that deal over the line .

What if he didn't want to go?

you do what claery has done with Mansour that being your time in first grade will be limited he would have gone to Melbourne then and we would have had JAC
 
@BAGNF05 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290184) said:
@Jedi_Tiger said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290163) said:
@willow said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290149) said:
@Jedi_Tiger said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1290013) said:
@JC99 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1289914) said:
@williewagtail said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1289912) said:
hello Tigers fans, Souths have expressed interest in signing Nofoaluma as expressed in the news this morning however, it isn’t all gloomy on your guys end. Laurie and Mansour will be heading to you guys this year if Nofoaluma elects to take up the Souths offer, if he does he could potentially be heading there for the 2021 season.

Your team is also interested in signing Dallin Watene-zalezniak from the Bulldogs. He played his best football under Michael Maguire for the Kiwi international side. This signing is most likely for 2022 but nonetheless a good signing.

Not sure letting Nofa go early is worth it to get Mansour and Laurie. We’re getting Laurie in 2022 anyway and Mansour is a downgrade

As for DWZ he did play good under Madge but he’s been pretty average lately, he’s no fullback and not sure he’s that great a winger either

Thanks for the info though

Mansouris not a downgrade David has had ONE good year that is all

Mansour is a definite downgrade - you're kidding yourself to think otherwise.

a state of origin winger and semi final player don't think so

Wasn’t he dropped after one origin game? And making finals requires a good 25 players (at least)

Mansour
Played 7 games for Australia
Played 3 games for NSW
Our David
Played 0 games for Australia
Played 0 games for nsw
 
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