GNR4LIFE
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So did anyone see the article today linking Johnny Mannah's death to the drugs scandal? pretty low to make those accusations while the family is still grieving isn't it?
DT's dirty Journolism
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Juro
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What they won't do to sell a few papers…
GNR4LIFE
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Either way, you would think the Mannah family have cause to take someone to the cleaners here.
Frank_the_tank
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Most people are under the mistaken understanding that they(media) are there to report facts, and happenings, or at the very least be accurate in the stories they print, publish or put to air.
Not true!
They are there to sell newspapers and advertising space. Are they ever held to account? Of course not! And when they are proved wrong there is a minor blurb of an apology on page 36 in small print.
I'd love to see them held to account in a criminal or even civil court for some of the absolute rubbish they print.
Not true!
They are there to sell newspapers and advertising space. Are they ever held to account? Of course not! And when they are proved wrong there is a minor blurb of an apology on page 36 in small print.
I'd love to see them held to account in a criminal or even civil court for some of the absolute rubbish they print.
Seriously, the way people are shocked about this makes me think that they believe that the likes of Bourbon Becky, Rothfilth and Massoud are above this? I can't believe this really surprises anyone?
The Terrorgraph has been the 101 of sensationalist journalistic (and I use the term journalistic very loosely,) filth for years. Look no further than Australia's answer to Rush Limbaugh, Piers Akerman.
The Terrorgraph has been the 101 of sensationalist journalistic (and I use the term journalistic very loosely,) filth for years. Look no further than Australia's answer to Rush Limbaugh, Piers Akerman.
We have seen the images of the grim-faced politicians and sports officials announcing the Australian Crime Commission investigation into the distribution and use of performance enhancing substances in Australian sport, and the growing anti-ageing and vanity industries. Mostly, they have been used to ridicule and condemn. To claim the problem was not as substantial as we had been warned, or to decry ASADA's supposedly bungled and snail-paced investigation.
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Yet, for those willing to wait for the evidence to emerge, the dour expressions suddenly seem apt, and the concerns that prompted them grave.
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Adding to a steadily accumulating body of evidence, Fairfax Media and the ABC's Four Corners reported the allegations of Shane Charter, a convicted drug trafficker who gave an insight into both the importation, and the use, of performance enhancing drugs. Inevitably, the worth of Charter's evidence was questioned. Although perhaps not by those investigators who adhere to the adage "It takes a thief to catch a thief".
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Now, most disturbingly, News Ltd quotes an independent report commissioned by Cronulla. One which raises the possibility of a "causal link" between the use of performance enhancing substances, Jon Mannah, and the Hodgkin's lymphoma that killed him. The report does not say that Mannah took peptides, but was at the Sharks when the supplements program was implemented.
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These media reports are at the extreme ends of the initial ASC investigation and the subsequent ASADA probe.
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Charter's allegations emphasise the criminal links to those importing and distributing both legal and illegal substances. A burgeoning trade that prompted the initial interest of the ASC which, naturally, is more interested in following the trail to big-time importers than identifying which prop or half-back flanker was at the end of the chain.
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The reported link between Mannah's possible use of peptides that could promote the growth of cells, and the acceleration of his cancer, represents the most grave and unconscionable consequence of administering untested, unauthorised and potentially harmful substances to athletes. The potential outcome often ignored when the use of performance enhancing substances is considered only through the win-loss prism of professional sport. One that, to give the phrase the power denied by those inconvenienced by the ASADA investigation, would indeed make these the "blackest day(s) in Australian sport".
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Of course, we should hasten slowly. We should demonstrate the patience lacking in those who continue to ridicule both the ASADA investigation, and the process, because it has cast a cloud over their codes. Never mind that this cloud was created by those in the codes whose grand ambitions and failed protocols - at the very least - came at the expense of player welfare.
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The same verbose media voices pilloried ASADA for cancelling interviews with Cronulla players last week, citing it as another example of the agencies incompetence. Yet, the News Ltd. report suggests this was done, sensibly, to digest the disturbing findings of the Sharks' report.
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New Ltd. quotes Cronulla's internal report. That is was compiled by former ASADA deputy chairwoman Tricia Kavanagh will, no doubt, prompt claims it is intended to back ASADA's agenda. But the reference to Mannah is chilling.
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"A brief review of available published medical literature suggests an identified causal link between the use of substances such as CJC-1295 and GHRP-6 and the acceleration of the condition of disease Hodgkin's lymphoma. Without knowing anything further about Mannah's exact medical history and without seeking expert opinion from an appropriately qualified oncologist it is difficult to take this issue further. The issue of Mannah has the potential to be as serious as matters could get."
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Reflexively, fans egged on by self-interested denialists howl at the moon. The empowerment of social media provides a forum for those who do not understand the process of investigation undertaken by ASADA, WADA and others, or the information seen by the media. Or who are simply unwilling to open their eyes.
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Meanwhile, on Anzac Day, Essendon played wonderfully before 93,000 people at the MCG to beat Collingwood. The same day, it had been reported the Bombers had confirmed six players had been administered a substance not cleared for human use. One, thus, banned under the WADA drug code.
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The manner in which Essendon performed under such intense scrutiny is praiseworthy. Less so the officials who sought to push the boundaries of performance without enforcing the necessary checks and balances required to implement their program.
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In football terms, the consequences could be grim at any club found to have let their players down. Suspensions, heavy fines, and perhaps loss of premiership points. But, if it is proven that the race to improve football performance has imperiled human life, then real-world justice will be imposed.
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Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/blackest-day-in-australian-sport-may-have-just-got-blacker-20130426-2iipp.html#ixzz2RXeXnPMk
>
Yet, for those willing to wait for the evidence to emerge, the dour expressions suddenly seem apt, and the concerns that prompted them grave.
>
Adding to a steadily accumulating body of evidence, Fairfax Media and the ABC's Four Corners reported the allegations of Shane Charter, a convicted drug trafficker who gave an insight into both the importation, and the use, of performance enhancing drugs. Inevitably, the worth of Charter's evidence was questioned. Although perhaps not by those investigators who adhere to the adage "It takes a thief to catch a thief".
>
Now, most disturbingly, News Ltd quotes an independent report commissioned by Cronulla. One which raises the possibility of a "causal link" between the use of performance enhancing substances, Jon Mannah, and the Hodgkin's lymphoma that killed him. The report does not say that Mannah took peptides, but was at the Sharks when the supplements program was implemented.
Advertisement
>
These media reports are at the extreme ends of the initial ASC investigation and the subsequent ASADA probe.
>
Charter's allegations emphasise the criminal links to those importing and distributing both legal and illegal substances. A burgeoning trade that prompted the initial interest of the ASC which, naturally, is more interested in following the trail to big-time importers than identifying which prop or half-back flanker was at the end of the chain.
>
The reported link between Mannah's possible use of peptides that could promote the growth of cells, and the acceleration of his cancer, represents the most grave and unconscionable consequence of administering untested, unauthorised and potentially harmful substances to athletes. The potential outcome often ignored when the use of performance enhancing substances is considered only through the win-loss prism of professional sport. One that, to give the phrase the power denied by those inconvenienced by the ASADA investigation, would indeed make these the "blackest day(s) in Australian sport".
>
Of course, we should hasten slowly. We should demonstrate the patience lacking in those who continue to ridicule both the ASADA investigation, and the process, because it has cast a cloud over their codes. Never mind that this cloud was created by those in the codes whose grand ambitions and failed protocols - at the very least - came at the expense of player welfare.
>
The same verbose media voices pilloried ASADA for cancelling interviews with Cronulla players last week, citing it as another example of the agencies incompetence. Yet, the News Ltd. report suggests this was done, sensibly, to digest the disturbing findings of the Sharks' report.
>
New Ltd. quotes Cronulla's internal report. That is was compiled by former ASADA deputy chairwoman Tricia Kavanagh will, no doubt, prompt claims it is intended to back ASADA's agenda. But the reference to Mannah is chilling.
>
"A brief review of available published medical literature suggests an identified causal link between the use of substances such as CJC-1295 and GHRP-6 and the acceleration of the condition of disease Hodgkin's lymphoma. Without knowing anything further about Mannah's exact medical history and without seeking expert opinion from an appropriately qualified oncologist it is difficult to take this issue further. The issue of Mannah has the potential to be as serious as matters could get."
>
Reflexively, fans egged on by self-interested denialists howl at the moon. The empowerment of social media provides a forum for those who do not understand the process of investigation undertaken by ASADA, WADA and others, or the information seen by the media. Or who are simply unwilling to open their eyes.
>
Meanwhile, on Anzac Day, Essendon played wonderfully before 93,000 people at the MCG to beat Collingwood. The same day, it had been reported the Bombers had confirmed six players had been administered a substance not cleared for human use. One, thus, banned under the WADA drug code.
>
The manner in which Essendon performed under such intense scrutiny is praiseworthy. Less so the officials who sought to push the boundaries of performance without enforcing the necessary checks and balances required to implement their program.
>
In football terms, the consequences could be grim at any club found to have let their players down. Suspensions, heavy fines, and perhaps loss of premiership points. But, if it is proven that the race to improve football performance has imperiled human life, then real-world justice will be imposed.
>
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/blackest-day-in-australian-sport-may-have-just-got-blacker-20130426-2iipp.html#ixzz2RXeXnPMk
As I said in the other thread covering this, the DT are reporting on something which 1) appeared in the internal report Cronulla themselves out out and 2) has been pretty widely discussed by people familiar with the full report. It's not like the DT made the connection independently.
That said, I do agree sending people to his family's house was poor form to put it mildly.
That said, I do agree sending people to his family's house was poor form to put it mildly.
GNR4LIFE
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Eels have released a statement:
The Parramatta Eels playing group issued this statement a short time ago:
“In all parts of life there are boundaries, lines in the sand that everyone understands. It is our belief that the Daily Telegraph today crossed that line. To put the Mannah family through what they have in the last 24 hours is an absolute disgrace and those responsible should be ashamed of themselves.
“We as a playing group will be rallying around Timmy, his family and Trent Elkin. They are our teammates, our family and this will only make our bonds stronger.”
The club will be making no further comment on this matter.
The Parramatta Eels playing group issued this statement a short time ago:
“In all parts of life there are boundaries, lines in the sand that everyone understands. It is our belief that the Daily Telegraph today crossed that line. To put the Mannah family through what they have in the last 24 hours is an absolute disgrace and those responsible should be ashamed of themselves.
“We as a playing group will be rallying around Timmy, his family and Trent Elkin. They are our teammates, our family and this will only make our bonds stronger.”
The club will be making no further comment on this matter.
GNR4LIFE
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That statement has Ricky Stuart written all over it
Tiger_Watto
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that Statement is simply a Bandwagon statement… They really should stay out of it!
happy_tiger
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@GNR4LIFE said:
Stuart loves his siege mentality
@the third said:
I am informed that the presses were held back, as legal clarification was being sought before the story went to press!!! So News Ltd were/are expecting this to come back to bite them… Very Ordinary! Robbie has come out in support of Tim, Jon & the fan. Good on him.
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GNR4LIFE
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@happy tiger said:
He loves the us v them mentality
@the third said:
True but surely there are better ways to go about it than showing up at the house. I would have thought a message to Tim sent via the Parra media officer would have been better.
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Hardwick
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I'm outraged - not at the DT for once doing some investigative journalism. I'm outraged that it appears following an internal investigation, cronulla has found that a player recovering from cancer has been injected with experimental substances by non- medical professionals. This is a story that needs to be told not swept under the carpet. I'm guessing the ACC knew about it and was one of the reasons they went public but didnt name names which they got strongly criticised. There are lots of reasons to be critical of the DT's coverage but this isn't one of them. We want more investigative journalism not less. More honesty not less.
Tiger_Watto
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@Hardwick said:
I gave you a point because I agree that the incident is a big story and it appears by the report that Jon Mannah did use the peptides etc.
I dont believe that the DT needed to 'use' the Mannah Death to sensationalise their story, and they should not of approached the family given the small timeframe since his death…
This is an ugly story and many people for now are focused on the method of delivery. At some stage, this focus will switch and hopefully action is taken to tidy up this mess!
