Electric Vehicles (EVs)

[Blacknwhite]

Lithium is a finite resource... Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe by weight.

I personally wouldnt choose EV. Hydrogen is the future, no ifs, no but's about it.

2030 is a landmark year for the shift.... England wont sell a petrol car after 2030. China plans on 1m Hydrogen vehicles on the road by the same date, Japan has also committed to 800k by 2030.

The problem is batteries... plain and simple.

Japan has also committed to switching some of their current coal power plants over to hydrogen plants as we speak.

Hyundai just did a record breaking test run of a hydrogen vehicle in Australia, off the top of my head 900km (ish) on less than 8kg of Hydrogen. Again dont quote me on these figures, but at present green Hydrogen is supposed to be expensive to produce at somewhere in the $5/kg, dirty or grey at around the $1/kg. Even if green hydrogen is triple at the pump, that $15/kg gets you over 100kms. We are talking testing, and the infrastructure for economy of scale doesnt even exist.

Its an interesting field. To understand why EV will likely be redundant technology soon would take more than a single post, and looking at more than just the personal motor vehicle market...

 

[DGilly]

EVs are still powered by fossil fuels and their batteries need materials probably being mined by African child slaves. The only people you're helping buy buying them is the politicians who invested in them years ago

 

[TillLindemann]

EVs are still powered by fossil fuels and their batteries need materials probably being mined by African child slaves. The only people you're helping buy buying them is the politicians who invested in them years ago

Far from it, the EV/battery revolution will be a bonanza for the Australian mining industry. Australia is blessed with nickel, cobalt, lithium, manganese, copper, rare earths etc.

Just down the road from my house is one of the largest cobalt and nickel deposits in the world. Mining it will create thousands of jobs, in an area that for many years was crippled by drought.

Don't fall for the spin merchants who carry on as if the Australian mining industry equals only *coal* mining.

 

[happy_tiger]

I’d be keen on a dual cab utility version 😂

Buy yourself a tractor splitter

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

With the NSW government about to drop Stamp Duty on EVs and implementing chargers across the state this is looking more and more attractive. NRMA already are building chargers. Tesla Model 3 anyone?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jun/20/nsw-waives-stamp-duty-on-evs-and-spends-171m-on-chargers-throughout-the-state?fbclid=IwAR2Djtw9Lo-AApdXXiHT9d4uAuntxJW0dNJ8eli8ZFZ4XW-dvjPEFhLHREk

Rimac Nevera for me:blush:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4orCB71BgY&t=411s

Haha you just knew that the Rimac was going to smash the Ferrari when you saw the disparity in torque.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Lithium is a finite resource... Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe by weight.

I personally wouldnt choose EV. Hydrogen is the future, no ifs, no but's about it.

2030 is a landmark year for the shift.... England wont sell a petrol car after 2030. China plans on 1m Hydrogen vehicles on the road by the same date, Japan has also committed to 800k by 2030.

The problem is batteries... plain and simple.

Japan has also committed to switching some of their current coal power plants over to hydrogen plants as we speak.

Hyundai just did a record breaking test run of a hydrogen vehicle in Australia, off the top of my head 900km (ish) on less than 8kg of Hydrogen. Again dont quote me on these figures, but at present green Hydrogen is supposed to be expensive to produce at somewhere in the $5/kg, dirty or grey at around the $1/kg. Even if green hydrogen is triple at the pump, that $15/kg gets you over 100kms. We are talking testing, and the infrastructure for economy of scale doesnt even exist.

Its an interesting field. To understand why EV will likely be redundant technology soon would take more than a single post, and looking at more than just the personal motor vehicle market...

Yeah all for Hydrogen as well, it still doesn't appear to be very commercially available yet though is it?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

EVs are still powered by fossil fuels and their batteries need materials probably being mined by African child slaves. The only people you're helping buy buying them is the politicians who invested in them years ago

Far from it, the EV/battery revolution will be a bonanza for the Australian mining industry. Australia is blessed with nickel, cobalt, lithium, manganese, copper, rare earths etc.

Just down the road from my house is one of the largest cobalt and nickel deposits in the world. Mining it will create thousands of jobs, in an area that for many years was crippled by drought.

Don't fall for the spin merchants who carry on as if the Australian mining industry equals only *coal* mining.

100%, Tesla buys their Lithium from Australia.

Also if you're supplementing your power with renewables you're not relying on fossil fuels. I generate far more energy for the grid than I consume, something like fourfold at the moment.

 

[Spartan117]

Electric baffles me somewhat, im a novice in the tech.

I hear stories where the batteries fail and the costs are exorbitant to replace or the vehicle is rendered worthless.

How much does the elec charge cost and how long does it take?

 

[Spartan117]

I generate far more energy for the grid than I consume, something like fourfold at the moment.

Thats awesome, i can't get a decent design to get panels on my roof due to tree shading.

Dont wanna cut this beautiful oldman Aulder down.

 

[sleeve]

Lithium is a finite resource... Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe by weight.

I personally wouldnt choose EV. Hydrogen is the future, no ifs, no but's about it.

2030 is a landmark year for the shift.... England wont sell a petrol car after 2030. China plans on 1m Hydrogen vehicles on the road by the same date, Japan has also committed to 800k by 2030.

The problem is batteries... plain and simple.

Japan has also committed to switching some of their current coal power plants over to hydrogen plants as we speak.

Hyundai just did a record breaking test run of a hydrogen vehicle in Australia, off the top of my head 900km (ish) on less than 8kg of Hydrogen. Again dont quote me on these figures, but at present green Hydrogen is supposed to be expensive to produce at somewhere in the $5/kg, dirty or grey at around the $1/kg. Even if green hydrogen is triple at the pump, that $15/kg gets you over 100kms. We are talking testing, and the infrastructure for economy of scale doesnt even exist.

Its an interesting field. To understand why EV will likely be redundant technology soon would take more than a single post, and looking at more than just the personal motor vehicle market...

Yeah all for Hydrogen as well, it still doesn't appear to be very commercially available yet though is it?

Hydogen powering the electrics is the way it's going.

Manufacturing of hydo plants already happening, expect this source to be the future. Maybe 5 yrs to perfect supply.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Electric baffles me somewhat, im a novice in the tech.

I hear stories where the batteries fail and the costs are exorbitant to replace or the vehicle is rendered worthless.

How much does the elec charge cost and how long does it take?

Tesla warrants their vehicles for 4 years IIRC?

Pretty sure the motors and batteries are warranted for 6 or 7 years. You'd probably flip it before then anyway.

 

[mike]

Lithium is a finite resource... Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe by weight.

I personally wouldnt choose EV. Hydrogen is the future, no ifs, no but's about it.

2030 is a landmark year for the shift.... England wont sell a petrol car after 2030. China plans on 1m Hydrogen vehicles on the road by the same date, Japan has also committed to 800k by 2030.

The problem is batteries... plain and simple.

Japan has also committed to switching some of their current coal power plants over to hydrogen plants as we speak.

Hyundai just did a record breaking test run of a hydrogen vehicle in Australia, off the top of my head 900km (ish) on less than 8kg of Hydrogen. Again dont quote me on these figures, but at present green Hydrogen is supposed to be expensive to produce at somewhere in the $5/kg, dirty or grey at around the $1/kg. Even if green hydrogen is triple at the pump, that $15/kg gets you over 100kms. We are talking testing, and the infrastructure for economy of scale doesnt even exist.

Its an interesting field. To understand why EV will likely be redundant technology soon would take more than a single post, and looking at more than just the personal motor vehicle market...

Unfortunately Hydrogen will miss out and only be used for industrial purposes and large infrastructure hauling like rail. EVs will be the go to for consumer vehicles for the foreseeable future and beyond. The Hydrogen economy is a big fail.

 

[mike]

Electric baffles me somewhat, im a novice in the tech.

I hear stories where the batteries fail and the costs are exorbitant to replace or the vehicle is rendered worthless.

How much does the elec charge cost and how long does it take?

For me to completely fill my current Toyota Aurion on e10 it costs between $80-$90. For city driving this will get me around 400-450km, depending on traffic. To fully charge a Tesla Model 3 Long Range at my current electricity rates would cost between $5-$6 with about a 500km range.

An order of magnitude cheaper to run but about 1.5 to 2 times the initial cost. (If they remove stamp duty and luxury tax the initial costs comes down considerably by about $15K bringing it in at about $55K-$60K depending on options)

Edit: To make the calculation easier If your electricity rate is $0.20 per KWh (no one should be paying more than that) then it would cost about $15 to fully charge a Tesla Model 3 Long Range,

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Electric baffles me somewhat, im a novice in the tech.

I hear stories where the batteries fail and the costs are exorbitant to replace or the vehicle is rendered worthless.

How much does the elec charge cost and how long does it take?

For me to completely fill my current Toyota Aurion on e10 it costs between $80-$90. For city driving this will get me around 400-450km, depending on traffic. To fully charge a Tesla Model 3 Long Range at my current electricity rates would cost between $5-$6 with about a 500km range.

You're paying 7c a kWh?.

 

[mike]

Electric baffles me somewhat, im a novice in the tech.

I hear stories where the batteries fail and the costs are exorbitant to replace or the vehicle is rendered worthless.

How much does the elec charge cost and how long does it take?

For me to completely fill my current Toyota Aurion on e10 it costs between $80-$90. For city driving this will get me around 400-450km, depending on traffic. To fully charge a Tesla Model 3 Long Range at my current electricity rates would cost between $5-$6 with about a 500km range.

You're paying 7c a kWh?.

Close to it.

 

[Swordy]

I'm not yet in on the electric stuff, but open to listening.

So out of curiosity, I entered in a common trip I do (Similar to Brisbane/Sydney)

Normally $100 fuel and around 11.5hrs.
Electric $80 charge and just short of 14 hours. (part of which could only be done max 80km/h to preserve charge)

Based on that. Not for me yet. But one day.

 

[mike]

I'm not yet in on the electric stuff, but open to listening.

So out of curiosity, I entered in a common trip I do (Similar to Brisbane/Sydney)

Normally $100 fuel and around 11.5hrs.
Electric $80 charge and just short of 14 hours. (part of which could only be done max 80km/h to preserve charge)

Based on that. Not for me yet. But one day.

What app did you use for the calculations?

 

[Sco77y]

Apparently the government is introducing an EV road users tax though? Presumably to pay for the roll out of supporting infrastructure (the chargers).. And to pocket some profit no doubt.

 

[mike]

Apparently the government is introducing an EV road users tax though? Presumably to pay for the roll out of supporting infrastructure (the chargers).. And to pocket some profit no doubt.

Yes. In NSW 2.5c per Km from 2027 or when penetration of EVs reached 30%, whichever comes first.

 

[Swordy]

I'm not yet in on the electric stuff, but open to listening.

So out of curiosity, I entered in a common trip I do (Similar to Brisbane/Sydney)

Normally $100 fuel and around 11.5hrs.
Electric $80 charge and just short of 14 hours. (part of which could only be done max 80km/h to preserve charge)

Based on that. Not for me yet. But one day.

What app did you use for the calculations?

Someone posted earlier one called 'abetterrouteplanner' ?