Electric Vehicles (EVs)

[mike]

I'm not yet in on the electric stuff, but open to listening.

So out of curiosity, I entered in a common trip I do (Similar to Brisbane/Sydney)

Normally $100 fuel and around 11.5hrs.
Electric $80 charge and just short of 14 hours. (part of which could only be done max 80km/h to preserve charge)

Based on that. Not for me yet. But one day.

What app did you use for the calculations?

Someone posted earlier one called 'abetterrouteplanner' ?

Thanks. That was me. Superchargers and destination chargers are expensive by comparison to your home electricity. About $0.52 per KWh currently for Tesla Superchargers I believe. So yes long haul trips will be more expensive than your normal commute.

Edit: NRMA chargers are free to NRMA members.

 

[Nelson]

Apparently the government is introducing an EV road users tax though? Presumably to pay for the roll out of supporting infrastructure (the chargers).. And to pocket some profit no doubt.

Yes. In NSW 2.5c per Km from 2027 or when penetration of EVs reached 30%, whichever comes first.

Just by way of example, that would equate to $750 if you drove 30,000km. The current fuel excise rate is 42.7 cents per litre.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Electric baffles me somewhat, im a novice in the tech.

I hear stories where the batteries fail and the costs are exorbitant to replace or the vehicle is rendered worthless.

How much does the elec charge cost and how long does it take?

For me to completely fill my current Toyota Aurion on e10 it costs between $80-$90. For city driving this will get me around 400-450km, depending on traffic. To fully charge a Tesla Model 3 Long Range at my current electricity rates would cost between $5-$6 with about a 500km range.

You're paying 7c a kWh?.

Close to it.

Are you Woolworths?

Jokes aside, is that taking into account solar rebates or something?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Apparently the government is introducing an EV road users tax though? Presumably to pay for the roll out of supporting infrastructure (the chargers).. And to pocket some profit no doubt.

Yes. In NSW 2.5c per Km from 2027 or when penetration of EVs reached 30%, whichever comes first.

Just by way of example, that would equate to $750 if you drove 30,000km. The current fuel excise rate is 42.7 cents per litre.

Which is $23.50 for a 55 litre tank, filled 30 times a year it would reach $750. I would think most Aussies fill up around once a week.

 

[mike]

Apparently the government is introducing an EV road users tax though? Presumably to pay for the roll out of supporting infrastructure (the chargers).. And to pocket some profit no doubt.

Yes. In NSW 2.5c per Km from 2027 or when penetration of EVs reached 30%, whichever comes first.

Just by way of example, that would equate to $750 if you drove 30,000km. The current fuel excise rate is 42.7 cents per litre.

Assuming you get 500km out of a tank of fuel. That’s 60 tanks of fuel. 70ltrs pet tank is 4,200ltrs in total. 4,200 * 0.427 is $1,793 in excise tax. (Plus GST on top) Obviously city vs country driving will change the range per fill with highway driving being more efficient.

 

[hobbo1]

Can Tesla’s do burnouts or are they too electronically governed?

 

[Swordy]

I'm not yet in on the electric stuff, but open to listening.

So out of curiosity, I entered in a common trip I do (Similar to Brisbane/Sydney)

Normally $100 fuel and around 11.5hrs.
Electric $80 charge and just short of 14 hours. (part of which could only be done max 80km/h to preserve charge)

Based on that. Not for me yet. But one day.

What app did you use for the calculations?

Someone posted earlier one called 'abetterrouteplanner' ?

Thanks. That was me. Superchargers and destination chargers are expensive by comparison to your home electricity. About $0.52 per KWh currently for Tesla Superchargers I believe. So yes long haul trips will be more expensive than your normal commute.

Edit: NRMA chargers are free to NRMA members.

It was an interesting comparison. TBH, I thought it was much further apart, Mike. I'm still thinking drive halfway, charge for 6 hours, drive the rest.

It opened my eyes a little to be honest. This is a no brainer but this is where local and state government purchase fleets (local govt especially) to do their traffic inspections, building, plumbing, maintenance inspections etc. People then see the technology out there.

And at this stage, there is no real long term guide on re-sale value and things like that. So people like me take the easy way out and do what they know. Its a mindset.

 

[mike]

Electric baffles me somewhat, im a novice in the tech.

I hear stories where the batteries fail and the costs are exorbitant to replace or the vehicle is rendered worthless.

How much does the elec charge cost and how long does it take?

For me to completely fill my current Toyota Aurion on e10 it costs between $80-$90. For city driving this will get me around 400-450km, depending on traffic. To fully charge a Tesla Model 3 Long Range at my current electricity rates would cost between $5-$6 with about a 500km range.

You're paying 7c a kWh?.

Close to it.

Are you Woolworths?

Jokes aside, is that taking into account solar rebates or something?

I forgot I’m not the average electricity consumer. That’s why I redid the calculations at $0.20 per KWh.

 

[mike]

I'm not yet in on the electric stuff, but open to listening.

So out of curiosity, I entered in a common trip I do (Similar to Brisbane/Sydney)

Normally $100 fuel and around 11.5hrs.
Electric $80 charge and just short of 14 hours. (part of which could only be done max 80km/h to preserve charge)

Based on that. Not for me yet. But one day.

What app did you use for the calculations?

Someone posted earlier one called 'abetterrouteplanner' ?

Thanks. That was me. Superchargers and destination chargers are expensive by comparison to your home electricity. About $0.52 per KWh currently for Tesla Superchargers I believe. So yes long haul trips will be more expensive than your normal commute.

Edit: NRMA chargers are free to NRMA members.

It was an interesting comparison. TBH, I thought it was much further apart, Mike. I'm still thinking drive halfway, charge for 6 hours, drive the rest.

It opened my eyes a little to be honest. This is a no brainer but this is where local and state government purchase fleets (local govt especially) to do their traffic inspections, building, plumbing, maintenance inspections etc. People then see the technology out there.

And at this stage, there is no real long term guide on re-sale value and things like that. So people like me take the easy way out and do what they know. Its a mindset.

Totally understandable

 

[happy_tiger]

Just imagine how much further ahead we would and could be if we had decent government policies. Ridiculous that states have to try to move forward with a federal anchor holding them back.

They still have a luxury tax on EVs. Talk about a disincentive.

Madness eh .....

 

[hobbo1]

Just imagine how much further ahead we would and could be if we had decent government policies. Ridiculous that states have to try to move forward with a federal anchor holding them back.

They still have a luxury tax on EVs. Talk about a disincentive.

Madness eh .....

How’s that flintstones mobile going ?

 

[happy_tiger]

Just imagine how much further ahead we would and could be if we had decent government policies. Ridiculous that states have to try to move forward with a federal anchor holding them back.

They still have a luxury tax on EVs. Talk about a disincentive.

Madness eh .....

How’s that flintstones mobile going ?

Still on the look out for you ......and after I run you over it will be Yabba Dabba Do time

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Can Tesla’s do burnouts or are they too electronically governed?

Never driven one, I would think they'd have traction control and the like built in so might be a bit more difficult.

Electric motors have more torque and are more responsive so without traction control and the other anti-lock stuff built in, they'd be able to cut hoops just as good, if not better, than a petty motor.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Electric baffles me somewhat, im a novice in the tech.

I hear stories where the batteries fail and the costs are exorbitant to replace or the vehicle is rendered worthless.

How much does the elec charge cost and how long does it take?

For me to completely fill my current Toyota Aurion on e10 it costs between $80-$90. For city driving this will get me around 400-450km, depending on traffic. To fully charge a Tesla Model 3 Long Range at my current electricity rates would cost between $5-$6 with about a 500km range.

You're paying 7c a kWh?.

Close to it.

Are you Woolworths?

Jokes aside, is that taking into account solar rebates or something?

I forgot I’m not the average electricity consumer. That’s why I redid the calculations at $0.20 per KWh.

Yeah cool I just saw that, $15 for a 75kWh charge is still five fold cheaper than the $70 plus a week it costs to fill a 55 litre car.

I have a company fuel card but I estimated that my fuel spend would be somewhere in the league of $4,500 to $5K annually.

Comparatively, the electricity spend on a Model 3 which has a similar "fuel range" would be $800-$1000 based on $0.2/kWh, for me it would literally be free.

 

[happy_tiger]

Can Tesla’s do burnouts or are they too electronically governed?

Probably better than the Princess

 

[Nelson]

I'm not yet in on the electric stuff, but open to listening.

So out of curiosity, I entered in a common trip I do (Similar to Brisbane/Sydney)

Normally $100 fuel and around 11.5hrs.
Electric $80 charge and just short of 14 hours. (part of which could only be done max 80km/h to preserve charge)

Based on that. Not for me yet. But one day.

What app did you use for the calculations?

Someone posted earlier one called 'abetterrouteplanner' ?

Thanks. That was me. Superchargers and destination chargers are expensive by comparison to your home electricity. About $0.52 per KWh currently for Tesla Superchargers I believe. So yes long haul trips will be more expensive than your normal commute.

Edit: NRMA chargers are free to NRMA members.

It was an interesting comparison. TBH, I thought it was much further apart, Mike. I'm still thinking drive halfway, charge for 6 hours, drive the rest.

It opened my eyes a little to be honest. This is a no brainer but this is where local and state government purchase fleets (local govt especially) to do their traffic inspections, building, plumbing, maintenance inspections etc. People then see the technology out there.

And at this stage, there is no real long term guide on re-sale value and things like that. So people like me take the easy way out and do what they know. Its a mindset.

Re-sale value could go one of two ways: either they may tank in the event that rapid advancements in technology render the current generation of vehicles inefficient; or they may be quite robust because they represent an entry into the electric vehicle market at a lower price point (bearing in mind there will be a very limited used vehicle market at the moment and new cars are simply not affordable or not considered a worthwhile expense to many).
I suspect re-sale values will be quite robust - the current generation of vehicles are pretty well advanced and a long way from a 1997 Prius.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I'm not yet in on the electric stuff, but open to listening.

So out of curiosity, I entered in a common trip I do (Similar to Brisbane/Sydney)

Normally $100 fuel and around 11.5hrs.
Electric $80 charge and just short of 14 hours. (part of which could only be done max 80km/h to preserve charge)

Based on that. Not for me yet. But one day.

What app did you use for the calculations?

Someone posted earlier one called 'abetterrouteplanner' ?

Thanks. That was me. Superchargers and destination chargers are expensive by comparison to your home electricity. About $0.52 per KWh currently for Tesla Superchargers I believe. So yes long haul trips will be more expensive than your normal commute.

Edit: NRMA chargers are free to NRMA members.

It was an interesting comparison. TBH, I thought it was much further apart, Mike. I'm still thinking drive halfway, charge for 6 hours, drive the rest.

It opened my eyes a little to be honest. This is a no brainer but this is where local and state government purchase fleets (local govt especially) to do their traffic inspections, building, plumbing, maintenance inspections etc. People then see the technology out there.

And at this stage, there is no real long term guide on re-sale value and things like that. So people like me take the easy way out and do what they know. Its a mindset.

Re-sale value could go one of two ways: either they may tank in the event that rapid advancements in technology render the current generation of vehicles inefficient; or they may be quite robust because they represent an entry into the electric vehicle market at a lower price point (bearing in mind there will be a very limited used vehicle market at the moment and new cars are simply not affordable or not considered a worthwhile expense to many).
I suspect re-sale values will be quite robust - the current generation of vehicles are pretty well advanced and a long way from a 1997 Prius.

A brand new long range Model 3 retails for $81K (would be $78K with abolition of stamp duty,) I'm seeing standard range 2021 Model 3's retailing for $75K with a few thousand on the clock, they'll soon be $67K brand new with the $3K state government subsidy.

 

[hobbo1]

Can Tesla’s do burnouts or are they too electronically governed?

Probably better than the Princess

The princess is designed to launch ..
Not spin it’s wheels

 

[hobbo1]

I'm not yet in on the electric stuff, but open to listening.

So out of curiosity, I entered in a common trip I do (Similar to Brisbane/Sydney)

Normally $100 fuel and around 11.5hrs.
Electric $80 charge and just short of 14 hours. (part of which could only be done max 80km/h to preserve charge)

Based on that. Not for me yet. But one day.

What app did you use for the calculations?

Someone posted earlier one called 'abetterrouteplanner' ?

Thanks. That was me. Superchargers and destination chargers are expensive by comparison to your home electricity. About $0.52 per KWh currently for Tesla Superchargers I believe. So yes long haul trips will be more expensive than your normal commute.

Edit: NRMA chargers are free to NRMA members.

It was an interesting comparison. TBH, I thought it was much further apart, Mike. I'm still thinking drive halfway, charge for 6 hours, drive the rest.

It opened my eyes a little to be honest. This is a no brainer but this is where local and state government purchase fleets (local govt especially) to do their traffic inspections, building, plumbing, maintenance inspections etc. People then see the technology out there.

And at this stage, there is no real long term guide on re-sale value and things like that. So people like me take the easy way out and do what they know. Its a mindset.

Re-sale value could go one of two ways: either they may tank in the event that rapid advancements in technology render the current generation of vehicles inefficient; or they may be quite robust because they represent an entry into the electric vehicle market at a lower price point (bearing in mind there will be a very limited used vehicle market at the moment and new cars are simply not affordable or not considered a worthwhile expense to many).
I suspect re-sale values will be quite robust - the current generation of vehicles are pretty well advanced and a long way from a 1997 Prius.

A brand new long range Model 3 retails for $81K (would be $78K with abolition of stamp duty,) I'm seeing standard range 2021 Model 3's retailing for $75K with a few thousand on the clock, they'll soon be $67K brand new with the $3K state government subsidy.

Would you risk $67k in hells car park ?
?
No way !

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I'm not yet in on the electric stuff, but open to listening.

So out of curiosity, I entered in a common trip I do (Similar to Brisbane/Sydney)

Normally $100 fuel and around 11.5hrs.
Electric $80 charge and just short of 14 hours. (part of which could only be done max 80km/h to preserve charge)

Based on that. Not for me yet. But one day.

What app did you use for the calculations?

Someone posted earlier one called 'abetterrouteplanner' ?

Thanks. That was me. Superchargers and destination chargers are expensive by comparison to your home electricity. About $0.52 per KWh currently for Tesla Superchargers I believe. So yes long haul trips will be more expensive than your normal commute.

Edit: NRMA chargers are free to NRMA members.

It was an interesting comparison. TBH, I thought it was much further apart, Mike. I'm still thinking drive halfway, charge for 6 hours, drive the rest.

It opened my eyes a little to be honest. This is a no brainer but this is where local and state government purchase fleets (local govt especially) to do their traffic inspections, building, plumbing, maintenance inspections etc. People then see the technology out there.

And at this stage, there is no real long term guide on re-sale value and things like that. So people like me take the easy way out and do what they know. Its a mindset.

Re-sale value could go one of two ways: either they may tank in the event that rapid advancements in technology render the current generation of vehicles inefficient; or they may be quite robust because they represent an entry into the electric vehicle market at a lower price point (bearing in mind there will be a very limited used vehicle market at the moment and new cars are simply not affordable or not considered a worthwhile expense to many).
I suspect re-sale values will be quite robust - the current generation of vehicles are pretty well advanced and a long way from a 1997 Prius.

A brand new long range Model 3 retails for $81K (would be $78K with abolition of stamp duty,) I'm seeing standard range 2021 Model 3's retailing for $75K with a few thousand on the clock, they'll soon be $67K brand new with the $3K state government subsidy.

Would you risk $67k in hells car park ?
?
No way !

Mate I don't park in hells car park. I've got more brains than that!

The only time you'll see me at those shops is to see Adz.