Farah wants football to do his talking..

[happy_tiger]

I think you need to re-read the thread then Tony, there's at least one fanboy in here who thinks his s*** doesn't stink.

I don't want to talk for anyone else, but it could be that he's just sick and tired of the farah bashing which initially was founded on rumour, innuendo and assumptions.

In any case it's something that happened in 2014 and Farah has since admitted his actions weren't upto standard for a captain and that he wants to move on and be better for it (it even says so in this thread's article).

So why do we still have to deal with it ?

Theres a new coach, new staff and we're moving in a positive direction so why continually bring up the negatives ?

Some forumers try and make us believe that they're realists and say it as they see it. It gets frustrating though when all they see are the negatives whilst continually ignoring or manipulating the positives…

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Seeing that was aimed at me more than likely (its OK Tony I won't bite ) I'll take that

The club has got many positives , but it many cases we are at the beginning of a very long road with many of the positives

I can only judge as by our past and how we handled things until proven otherwise

With just about everything in the past we (as a club ) have tried to take the easy route and many short cuts We got lucky one season and tried then to duplicate it despite everything saying that it would work

I hope with the right structures now we will succeed both on and off field But its going to be a long hard journey and I hope we try and do it the right way , without the BS short cuts that almost destroyed the club financially

Happy don't take it personally, I have nothing against you, you seem like a top bloke with a good genuine insight.

But surely you can understand the frustration with always having to deal with the negatives and not being able to recognise that we are finally moving forward as a club.

The nines were a perfect example. Instead of appaluding the efforts of our very very young side in topping their group and making the quarters; we sent the forum into meltdown blaming everyone but the ball boy when we lost to two much better, experienced sides. Losing isn't acceptable and we need to change that losing culture; but sometimes circumstances dictate results, so 'heavy' criticism isn't always justified.

The season hasn't even started so as supporters why don't we give them benefit of the doubt and at least give them a chance to prove us wrong.

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I wasn't taking it personally Tony , I just said don't be afraid to quote me personally

We all have different opinions and your a massive Robbie supporter and so am I

But I'd rather see what Robbie is going to do on the field , not in the tabloids

The one thing I hope JT does is push this theme

Actions speak louder than words :sign:

 

[Tony33]

I don't want to talk for anyone else, but it could be that he's just sick and tired of the farah bashing which initially was founded on rumour, innuendo and assumptions.

In any case it's something that happened in 2014 and Farah has since admitted his actions weren't upto standard for a captain and that he wants to move on and be better for it (it even says so in this thread's article).

So why do we still have to deal with it ?

Theres a new coach, new staff and we're moving in a positive direction so why continually bring up the negatives ?

Some forumers try and make us believe that they're realists and say it as they see it. It gets frustrating though when all they see are the negatives whilst continually ignoring or manipulating the positives…

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Seeing that was aimed at me more than likely (its OK Tony I won't bite ) I'll take that

The club has got many positives , but it many cases we are at the beginning of a very long road with many of the positives

I can only judge as by our past and how we handled things until proven otherwise

With just about everything in the past we (as a club ) have tried to take the easy route and many short cuts We got lucky one season and tried then to duplicate it despite everything saying that it would work

I hope with the right structures now we will succeed both on and off field But its going to be a long hard journey and I hope we try and do it the right way , without the BS short cuts that almost destroyed the club financially

Happy don't take it personally, I have nothing against you, you seem like a top bloke with a good genuine insight.

But surely you can understand the frustration with always having to deal with the negatives and not being able to recognise that we are finally moving forward as a club.

The nines were a perfect example. Instead of appaluding the efforts of our very very young side in topping their group and making the quarters; we sent the forum into meltdown blaming everyone but the ball boy when we lost to two much better, experienced sides. Losing isn't acceptable and we need to change that losing culture; but sometimes circumstances dictate results, so 'heavy' criticism isn't always justified.

The season hasn't even started so as supporters why don't we give them benefit of the doubt and at least give them a chance to prove us wrong.

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I wasn't taking it personally Tony , I just said don't be afraid to quote me personally

We all have different opinions and your a massive Robbie supporter and so am I

But I'd rather see what Robbie is going to do on the field , not in the tabloids

The one thing I hope JT does is push this theme

Actions speak louder than words :sign:

The reason i didn't specifically mention you is because my post wasn't soley directed at you.

Mate i agree 100% with you, I would love nothing more than for the players to walk the talk and show they're improvement come round 1.

But it's 2015 and Rugby League is a business so players are obliged to be interviewed by various media outlets. They get asked the questions and they have to answer it as best as they can, no matter how cliche it may sound.

Actions do speak louder than words, so the challenge for our young squad is to walk the talk and put it all out on the field like they've been saying in the media.

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[happy_tiger]

I am continually surprised by the condescending tone of some forummers, it goes something like this:
"Let's just hope Player X learns from this and does a better job of representing the club", or "Player X needs to pull his head in and concentrate on his performances".

Farah is being criticised for some nebulous idea that "he wasn't a good leader" because he had a bad run in the press and people believe that derailed the season. Or in another light, he said something private that was aired publicly, and independently a team full of professional sportsmen played 8 weeks of poor footy.

There now comes an article where he says "I don't want this off-field nonsense, I just want to play good footy and be judged by those results" and the old line comes out again: "well you should have done a better job last year pal". Even if you believe that to be true, it was last year, let's clear the slate, hey? You don't criticise your child over and over for one mistake.

I don't know how people expect sportsmen and women to perform at their peak under the weight of public criticism. The full irony is that some people are publicly criticising Farah for not handling public criticism better.

I think people are just sick of hearing players giving interviews where they say this season is going to be different

The same interview from some players could be reproduced for the last 4 seasons :brick:

And that is my point . Don't tell me its going to be different , just make it different and then let all judge

So what should they say when they get asked the question?

"This year were gonna be pretty ordinary. We don't really care about our defence, so we're not really practicing any defensive structures"

Is that what you would prefer to hear ?

Every player, in every team, in every sport throws out the same cliches every single interview. It's the nature of the beast. They get asked the questions and they have to answer it the best way possible.

I agree our defence has been shocking the last few years and needs drastic change, but they can only answer the questions they're asked. I don't see how they can answer them any differently.

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Which was my exact point at the start Tony

Players even have a phrase for it "Footy Speak "

Forget footy speak , and when asked simply say we will do our talking on field and leave it at that

Don't dance around all the other BS while driving your whambulance

Poor old Tigers lots of injuries , bad management ,bad coaches , bad facilities

The fans know that , we aren't fools

The difference is other sides seem to keep winning and showing pride in the jersey at the very least

 

[Knuckles]

I'm with STT on this one …......... I dont like bagging our legends / favourite sons. Fans just need to forget last year. It was a watershed year that has brought about the change the club had to have. I think we'll see the real Robbie in 2015.

 

[simonthetiger]

Ahhh knuckles love ya work.

I reckon a fierce competitor as robbie is, he will come out breathing fire to make up for the mess of last year.

Have a look at him….he looks as fit as Ive ever seen him,he played a huge part in finally getting NSW over the line.....now its our turn.

And if these new rules with the defenders getting off the player hit hard,then Robbie will be getting into space and often.And with fast guns like Brooks,Moses and Teddy flying off him!!

I cant wait......carn Robbieeeeeeeeeeeee!!

 

[innsaneink]

I am continually surprised by the condescending tone of some forummers, it goes something like this:
"Let's just hope Player X learns from this and does a better job of representing the club", or "Player X needs to pull his head in and concentrate on his performances".

Farah is being criticised for some nebulous idea that "he wasn't a good leader" because he had a bad run in the press and people believe that derailed the season. Or in another light, he said something private that was aired publicly, and independently a team full of professional sportsmen played 8 weeks of poor footy.

There now comes an article where he says "I don't want this off-field nonsense, I just want to play good footy and be judged by those results" and the old line comes out again: "well you should have done a better job last year pal". Even if you believe that to be true, it was last year, let's clear the slate, hey? You don't criticise your child over and over for one mistake.

**I don't know how people expect sportsmen and women to perform at their peak under the weight of public criticism. The full irony is that some people are publicly criticising Farah for not handling public criticism better**.

They really shouldnt be reading their own press, forums blogs etc.

Weve all heard about teams believing how good they are when theyre going well on all the plaudits are oming thick and fast…same for any criticism from anyone other than coaching staff or senior co - players....there are people in the club to deal with these things

 

[Tigermama]

Ahhh knuckles love ya work.

I reckon a fierce competitor as robbie is, he will come out breathing fire to make up for the mess of last year.

Have a look at him….he looks as fit as Ive ever seen him,he played a huge part in finally getting NSW over the line.....now its our turn.

And if these new rules with the defenders getting off the player hit hard,then Robbie will be getting into space and often.And with fast guns like Brooks,Moses and Teddy flying off him!!

I cant wait......carn Robbieeeeeeeeeeeee!!

Love your enthusiasm simon :smiley: you don't have long to wait now!

 

[simonthetiger]

I know…...not long.

Im really pumped to see all our juniors get a good go in firsts.

Very exciting!

 

[jirskyr]

I wasn't taking it personally Tony , I just said don't be afraid to quote me personally

We all have different opinions and your a massive Robbie supporter and so am I

But I'd rather see what Robbie is going to do on the field , not in the tabloids

The one thing I hope JT does is push this theme

Actions speak louder than words :sign:

The reason i didn't specifically mention you is because my post wasn't soley directed at you.

Mate i agree 100% with you, I would love nothing more than for the players to walk the talk and show they're improvement come round 1.

But it's 2015 and Rugby League is a business so players are obliged to be interviewed by various media outlets. They get asked the questions and they have to answer it as best as they can, no matter how cliche it may sound.

Actions do speak louder than words, so the challenge for our young squad is to walk the talk and put it all out on the field like they've been saying in the media.

I have to agree with Tony, it's the journos who push most of these lines, not the players. Most of them would avoid the media if they can, and blokes like Hasler, Bennett and Darius Boyd avoid it so hard as to earn criticism from the other direction.

So they get asked repeated questions and give fairly standard, non-controversial answers.

E.g. every time they've interviewed Brooks since Rd 26 they bring up "most missed tackles of any player 2014" line. And he responds with "yeah it's disappointing but if I'm going to be out there I have to make tackles, so we have/will worked extra hard on my defence this off-season". Now whether or not Brooks has improved in D will be judged in a few months, but the line of the story doesn't change much between October and March.

 

[Geo]

I wasn't taking it personally Tony , I just said don't be afraid to quote me personally

We all have different opinions and your a massive Robbie supporter and so am I

**But I'd rather see what Robbie is going to do on the field , not in the tabloids**

The one thing I hope JT does is push this theme

Actions speak louder than words :sign:

You know what the amusing thing is….If you actually read the article that is What Robbie is actually saying ...I'll quote it for you in case you missed it.....

Hopefully _focused on just playing footy and not getting too involved with everything that's written. Stuff is always going to be written. If we start losing a couple of games in a row people will start writing stuff. But you've got to believe in the group here and believe in what you're doing right as a team._

_I'll add that he is the Captain of our Club...In this age we want our players to be available to the Media the fans want to know what's happening...\
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Actions speak louder than words... hmmm Well that's true ...Farah on the field gives his all for the WESTS Tigers every time....\
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Perhaps when talking to the Media in future He could go down the NFL line for you Happy.....YOU KNOW WHY I"M HERE...._

 

[simonthetiger]

Game/set/match.

 

[Knuckles]

Yes …. In straight sets too !

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

No.

He is not saying that in the interview.

If he had of come out and said Taylor wants us to focus on defence. Defence is all about attitude and our attitude at the back end of last year was the worst in the clubs dismal history.

People with the same opinion as myself might be able to accept he understands where he went wrong and we could all move on.

It will never happen though because he will never admit he was at fault.

 

[Geo]

No.

He is not saying that in the interview.

If he had of come out and said Taylor wants us to focus on defence. Defence is all about attitude and our attitude at the back end of last year was the worst in the clubs dismal history.

People with the same opinion as myself might be able to accept he understands where he went wrong and we could all move on.

It will never happen though because he will never admit he was at fault.

Last I checked

"For us and JT defence is our No.1 priority," Farah said. "You never go out there to concede points, but last year for one reason or another we fell away with our D. There were a couple of games there where we had some really big blowouts. That's disappointing when you let the scoreboard get away from you.
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"If you're going to lose you want to walk off with your head held high. We are working on our structure and different sort of things that can help us in D.
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"When a new coach comes in with new ideas, we need to adapt to that and buy into it. "We make mistakes some times because it's new to us, but each day we are reviewing it and seeing where we went wrong and where we can get better."

Also….. In a team sport I don't believe 1 Player is responsible for the whole defensive attitude...even in the games we were pumped more often than not Farah topped the tackle count...

 

[Eddie]

Farah had a tough trot last year, made a couple of mistakes, did a couple of things he probably looked back and learn from. For me, it was the mistakes of a man becoming so frustrated at being stuck in the mediocre club for so long. He let his emotions go.

He is a winner, And the think I respect about him is he puts in consistently good performances, every season on the field. If we had 3 or 4 more senior player with his attitude and performance level he would be going better. He is the least of our worries.

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

No.

He is not saying that in the interview.

If he had of come out and said Taylor wants us to focus on defence. Defence is all about attitude and our attitude at the back end of last year was the worst in the clubs dismal history.

People with the same opinion as myself might be able to accept he understands where he went wrong and we could all move on.

It will never happen though because he will never admit he was at fault.

Last I checked

"For us and JT defence is our No.1 priority," Farah said. "You never go out there to concede points, but last year for one reason or another we fell away with our D. There were a couple of games there where we had some really big blowouts. That's disappointing when you let the scoreboard get away from you.
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"If you're going to lose you want to walk off with your head held high. We are working on our structure and different sort of things that can help us in D.
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"When a new coach comes in with new ideas, we need to adapt to that and buy into it. "We make mistakes some times because it's new to us, but each day we are reviewing it and seeing where we went wrong and where we can get better."

Also….. In a team sport I don't believe 1 Player is responsible for the whole defensive attitude...even in the games we were pumped more often than not Farah topped the tackle count...

Even in the games i was critical of him he topped the tackle count, he makes a lot tackles regardless of how he plays. Think we'll have to agree to disagree on the wording of his statement you quoted, i see it supporting what i had said.

 

[Nors05]

Here we go again. Farah does his best to try and just concentrate on football and trolls want to stir the pot.

We always talk about the players stepping up for the team. How about we as fans do the Wests Tigers a solid and just leave Farah alone for this season.

Seriously, lets just not critique him for ANYTHING but football.

But of course the trolls won't do this because it would be boring for them…because he's a bloody good Footballer!

 

[jirskyr]

People with the same opinion as myself might be able to accept he understands where he went wrong and we could all move on.

It will never happen though because he will never admit he was at fault.

I predicted this type of comment in my earlier post. How can you pretend to know anything about he guy and what he "understands" or his mindset?

Please elaborate, exactly what did Farah do wrong last year and what is the outcome, what is he at fault for?

In anticipation of your reply, are you trying to say that Farah is responsible for the poor run at the end of last year? One player holds all that responsibility?

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

People with the same opinion as myself might be able to accept he understands where he went wrong and we could all move on.

It will never happen though because he will never admit he was at fault.

I predicted this type of comment in my earlier post. How can you pretend to know anything about he guy and what he "understands" or his mindset?

Please elaborate, exactly what did Farah do wrong last year and what is the outcome, what is he at fault for?

In anticipation of your reply, are you trying to say that Farah is responsible for the poor run at the end of last year? One player holds all that responsibility?

No i am very critical of the playing group as a whole at the end of last year. Ive been around long enough and supported this club for longer than half the posters on here have been alive and im telling you they dogged it!

They had no interest in being competitive.

Farah as captain of that group of players did not do enough on and off the field during that time for me to continue supporting him based on his previous great service for the club. He is now on a level playing field and ill judge him accordingly.

Ill be cheering for him in the jersey come round 1

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

But also keeping a keen eye on Cherrington and hoping he has a killer year and keeps Farah a little under pressure.

If he does we will have a good year.