Finals series 2017 *Spoilers

[WT2K]

Great photo
https://twitter.com/NRL/status/908857993642442757

 

[jirskyr]

Hard to criticise the refs IMO, Oates was in a bad way and the collision was huge.

People are talking about Penrith playing on, but what if Oates had broken his neck and the refs had allowed play on to score? They didn't know, it looked bad, so they called it up.

Penrith had another 60 minutes to score tries and some 30 tackles inside the 20m but couldn't muster any decent structure in attack. The best teams cop the 50/50 calls and still find ways to win.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Hard to criticise the refs IMO, Oates was in a bad way and the collision was huge.

People are talking about Penrith playing on, but what if Oates had broken his neck and the refs had allowed play on to score? They didn't know, it looked bad, so they called it up.

Penrith had another 60 minutes to score tries and some 30 tackles inside the 20m but couldn't muster any decent structure in attack. The best teams cop the 50/50 calls and still find ways to win.

Bit similar to Cam Smith. He gets crucified for arguing the toss about a penalty, yet Penrith were happy to discard Oates and play on.

 

[Geo]

Great photo
https://twitter.com/NRL/status/908857993642442757

Caption…Don't worry Son...2 years time..We'll build a Dynasty...

 

[Russell]

The best team won - so not a diabolical decision.

Hate the Broncos but Panfers in direct competition with us for the area and they have been trying to undermine us for years. Good result for me.

Hope somehow the Cows find a way to win - Stop the Tanker in his tracks.

 

[Harvey]

Hard to criticise the refs IMO, Oates was in a bad way and the collision was huge.

People are talking about Penrith playing on, but what if Oates had broken his neck and the refs had allowed play on to score? They didn't know, it looked bad, so they called it up.

Penrith had another 60 minutes to score tries and some 30 tackles inside the 20m but couldn't muster any decent structure in attack. The best teams cop the 50/50 calls and still find ways to win.

The play was past him, he was not going to get hit and make any potential injury worse. There was nothing stopping medical staff from treating him. Next time play stops, stop the game until then….

 

[steve-o]

I'm happy with the ref to not let play continue in a situation like the one last night. The refs have to set a precedent for future collisions like that… where it is plainly obvious that someone is seriously hurt, the last thing the players should be doing is scrambling around the injured player/s to pick up the ball.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

Hard to criticise the refs IMO, Oates was in a bad way and the collision was huge.

People are talking about Penrith playing on, but what if Oates had broken his neck and the refs had allowed play on to score? They didn't know, it looked bad, so they called it up.

Penrith had another 60 minutes to score tries and some 30 tackles inside the 20m but couldn't muster any decent structure in attack. The best teams cop the 50/50 calls and still find ways to win.

The play was past him, he was not going to get hit and make any potential injury worse. There was nothing stopping medical staff from treating him. Next time play stops, stop the game until then….

Good post. And logical.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

Hard to criticise the refs IMO, Oates was in a bad way and the collision was huge.

People are talking about Penrith playing on, but what if Oates had broken his neck and the refs had allowed play on to score? They didn't know, it looked bad, so they called it up.

Penrith had another 60 minutes to score tries and some 30 tackles inside the 20m but couldn't muster any decent structure in attack. The best teams cop the 50/50 calls and still find ways to win.

Bit similar to Cam Smith. He gets crucified for arguing the toss about a penalty, yet Penrith were happy to discard Oates and play on.

What are you banging on about?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Hard to criticise the refs IMO, Oates was in a bad way and the collision was huge.

People are talking about Penrith playing on, but what if Oates had broken his neck and the refs had allowed play on to score? They didn't know, it looked bad, so they called it up.

Penrith had another 60 minutes to score tries and some 30 tackles inside the 20m but couldn't muster any decent structure in attack. The best teams cop the 50/50 calls and still find ways to win.

Bit similar to Cam Smith. He gets crucified for arguing the toss about a penalty, yet Penrith were happy to discard Oates and play on.

What are you banging on about?

I could attempt to explain it, but I know how it will end up if I do.

 

[jirskyr]

Hard to criticise the refs IMO, Oates was in a bad way and the collision was huge.

People are talking about Penrith playing on, but what if Oates had broken his neck and the refs had allowed play on to score? They didn't know, it looked bad, so they called it up.

Penrith had another 60 minutes to score tries and some 30 tackles inside the 20m but couldn't muster any decent structure in attack. The best teams cop the 50/50 calls and still find ways to win.

The play was past him, he was not going to get hit and make any potential injury worse. There was nothing stopping medical staff from treating him. Next time play stops, stop the game until then….

Good post. And logical.

Sorry not an argument that works. Refs frequently stop play for serious injury behind the play, they did it for Thaiday later in the game. There's no rule to say they have to wait X number of plays or a stoppage in play.

You are assuming play goes on down the field, but there's no guarantee that every player avoids the area where Oates is lying - Whare is past the spot but what about the chasers, the ref?

In fact Whare goes straight past the fallen player to pluck the football.

You watch other games, when a player is totally flattened and doesnt get up, when the trainers sprint over to aid the player, the refs stop the match as soon as they are aware.

These are the times when you remember that it's a sport and it is very very secondary to player welfare.

Amd anyway specifically with Oateslast night, he needed the medicab immediately and you can't have the cab driving on the paddock during open play, backfield or no. Play has to stop to allow special medical to enter the field.

But of course let play go on, don't worry if the bloke is convulsing and has potential spinal injury.

 

[WswWt]

Let's sign some of these Manly NYC players! Their fullback is electric! Surely won't get a run with turbo there

 

[Geo]

They didn't stop play when Joel Edwards was knocked out…and there were Storm players trampling over him... 😢

 

[Harvey]

I'm happy with the ref to not let play continue in a situation like the one last night. The refs have to set a precedent for future collisions like that… where it is plainly obvious that someone is seriously hurt, the last thing the players should be doing is scrambling around the injured player/s to pick up the ball.

Collisions like what? Is it a different precedent if the injury occurs in a tackle? They set the precedent when Edwards got knocked out, changed it when it was the Broncos that were going to be negatively impacted by the outcome.

 

[steve-o]

I'm happy with the ref to not let play continue in a situation like the one last night. The refs have to set a precedent for future collisions like that… where it is plainly obvious that someone is seriously hurt, the last thing the players should be doing is scrambling around the injured player/s to pick up the ball.

Collisions like what? Is it a different precedent if the injury occurs in a tackle? They set the precedent when Edwards got knocked out, changed it when it was the Broncos that were going to be negatively impacted by the outcome.

Collisions where a player is clearly seriously concussed

 

[Fade_To_Black]

Hard to criticise the refs IMO, Oates was in a bad way and the collision was huge.

People are talking about Penrith playing on, but what if Oates had broken his neck and the refs had allowed play on to score? They didn't know, it looked bad, so they called it up.

Penrith had another 60 minutes to score tries and some 30 tackles inside the 20m but couldn't muster any decent structure in attack. The best teams cop the 50/50 calls and still find ways to win.

The play was past him, he was not going to get hit and make any potential injury worse. There was nothing stopping medical staff from treating him. Next time play stops, stop the game until then….

Good post. And logical.

Sorry not an argument that works. Refs frequently stop play for serious injury behind the play, they did it for Thaiday later in the game. There's no rule to say they have to wait X number of plays or a stoppage in play.

You are assuming play goes on down the field, but there's no guarantee that every player avoids the area where Oates is lying - Whare is past the spot but what about the chasers, the ref?

In fact Whare goes straight past the fallen player to pluck the football.

You watch other games, when a player is totally flattened and doesnt get up, when the trainers sprint over to aid the player, the refs stop the match as soon as they are aware.

These are the times when you remember that it's a sport and it is very very secondary to player welfare.

Amd anyway specifically with Oateslast night, he needed the medicab immediately and you can't have the cab driving on the paddock during open play, backfield or no. Play has to stop to allow special medical to enter the field.

But of course let play go on, don't worry if the bloke is convulsing and has potential spinal injury.

You said "sorry not an argument that works" yet in the next breath put forward an argument that the medicab was needed immediately and couldn't be driving through open play….....how long do you think it would of taken the Penrith player to run the 30 metres for a try? A minute or more? He wasn't in a zimmer frame he was gonna be under the posts in a matter of seconds. Good argument though.
As the article posted from the SMH this morning stated, why wasn't the Storm try vs us at Leichhardt pulled back? Joel Edwards was clearly out cold on impact yet the refs allowed play on and the try to be scored before they d to stop play. I'm all for player welfare but one team is denied a certain try and another team earlier in the year is allowed a try after a player is obviously knocked unconscious in a tackle.
No consistency is the problem here.

 

[Harvey]

Most times I have seen a game pulled up, it is when play next stops (i.e. player tackled). Either Penrith were dudded, or we were dudded.

 

[Chicken_Faced_Killa]

As someone that has reffed the game I think what happened was the ref saw/heard the collision thought 'wow that was big' saw Oates not moving on the ground and thought 'oh this could be bad' he most likely instinctively stopped play for player safety, maybe even knew he shouldn't have straight away.

With the Edwards one earlier in the year it was more Edwards falling into a tackle and it did look like it just came out, no big collision just a loose ball. Yes in hind sight he was knocked out but that wasn't as apparent at first.

Personally I think it should have been play on but I can see the circumstances for why play was stopped. At the end of the day Penrith were not good enough to win regardless of that situation.

 

[TIGER]

Hard to criticise the refs IMO, Oates was in a bad way and the collision was huge.

People are talking about Penrith playing on, but what if Oates had broken his neck and the refs had allowed play on to score? They didn't know, it looked bad, so they called it up.

Penrith had another 60 minutes to score tries and some 30 tackles inside the 20m but couldn't muster any decent structure in attack. The best teams cop the 50/50 calls and still find ways to win.

So from now on everytime a ball is spilt in a collision and a player lies on the ground the ref must call a holt to the game because there's no way he can tell the severity of the injury.

It should of been play on, there was no danger to Oates and there's nothing stopping a trainer running onto the field immediately.
We need to stop stopping the play because a player is down in back play, if you can't get to your feet and continue to play it's too bad, they should be replaced, and we shouldn't be stopping the game for it unless they are directly in the way.
Players are feeling that their team is under the pump and are playing up their injuries in order to give their side a breather.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

As someone that has reffed the game I think what happened was the ref saw/heard the collision thought 'wow that was big' saw Oates not moving on the ground and thought 'oh this could be bad' he most likely instinctively stopped play for player safety, maybe even knew he shouldn't have straight away.

With the Edwards one earlier in the year it was more Edwards falling into a tackle and it did look like it just came out, no big collision just a loose ball. Yes in hind sight he was knocked out but that wasn't as apparent at first.

Personally I think it should have been play on but I can see the circumstances for why play was stopped. At the end of the day Penrith were not good enough to win regardless of that situation.

You are most probably 100% correct with your interpretation of the incident.
Don't agree with when people say that teams weren't good enough to overcome a bad call against them though, the mindset at 6-6 is a hell of a lot different to when it is 12-0 after a team benefits from a dodgy call. Same as when commentators say "oh the score ended up 40-0 so the two bad calls against team X in the first 10 minutes of the game didn't affect the result in any way". It affects the result massively.
Penrith were very poor last night but that decision to pull the certain try up contributes greatly to the final result IMO. In any NRL game where that sort of thing happens.