Footballing Robots.

[supercoach]

Plenty of people are willing to compare Brooks and Moses to other young players and than write them off. The NRL is a team game and we keep talking about individuals, till the team starts to perform as a unit and IMO that will not probably happen till our roster has a over haul, its very hard to expect the kids to shine. You look at a team like Melbourne every player has a job to do and they all do it well and that sets the platform for the likes of Cronk Smith and Slatter to create their magic. They just do not pull rabbits from their hat, its a team effort.

They have both shown enough to me to suggest they will be very good footballers but like everyone else they need a platform to work from and to create that platform you need 17 players all playing their part. Sounds easy but it is not easy to achieve

 

[Tigermama]

I hate boring footy. I used to get so bored watching Storm play a few years ago.
I like to see equal parts in Defence and Attack. But most importantly they need to hold the ball, improve their passing game, limit their errors and start playing smart footy. They seem to be waiting for things to happen, instead of making things happen.
And most of all, i like to see some improvement each week. I'm not asking for too much am i? Lol…

 

[tiga4eva]

I hate boring footy. I used to get so bored watching Storm play a few years ago.
I like to see equal parts in Defence and Attack. But most importantly they need to hold the ball, improve their passing game, limit their errors and start playing smart footy. They seem to be waiting for things to happen, instead of making things happen.
And most of all, i like to see some improvement each week. I'm not asking for too much am i? Lol…

My thoughts exactly Mama. I'll be there with my 3 kids but does anyone think we'll get more than 8,000 to our next game. Friday night vs Titans @ Leichhardt.

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[Tigermama]

I hate boring footy. I used to get so bored watching Storm play a few years ago.
I like to see equal parts in Defence and Attack. But most importantly they need to hold the ball, improve their passing game, limit their errors and start playing smart footy. They seem to be waiting for things to happen, instead of making things happen.
And most of all, i like to see some improvement each week. I'm not asking for too much am i? Lol…

My thoughts exactly Mama. I'll be there with my 3 kids but does anyone think we'll get more than 8,000 to our next game. Friday night vs Titans @ Leichhardt.

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Propably not Tiga. If it was an afternoon game ,maybe. But you never know. I do hope a big crowd turns up and the boys make amends and put on an exciting game of footy for you and your family! Enjoy.. :stuck_out_tongue:

 

[Telltails]

Plenty of people are willing to compare Brooks and Moses to other young players and than write them off. The NRL is a team game and we keep talking about individuals, till the team starts to perform as a unit and IMO that will not probably happen till our roster has a over haul, its very hard to expect the kids to shine. You look at a team like Melbourne every player has a job to do and they all do it well and that sets the platform for the likes of Cronk Smith and Slatter to create their magic. They just do not pull rabbits from their hat, its a team effort.

They have both shown enough to me to suggest they will be very good footballers but like everyone else they need a platform to work from and to create that platform you need 17 players all playing their part. Sounds easy but it is not easy to achieve

My thoughts exactly. Our club has no choice but to invest in its juniors - and unless that changes, ie with a shift in financial backing, we will continue to have to rely on developing our own marquee players and with that comes an element of risk. Through no fault of their own Moses, Brooks, and Sirro are now carrying the burden of reaching their potential much quicker than normally would be expected of them by a fan base that is sick of losing and have lost patience.My feeling is that if we want the juniors with potential and 'hype' to want to play at this club in the future, lighten up a bit on these three , cause there will be plenty of other options for our talented juniors at other clubs.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I'm not sure I read this right, Birds performances are average???????????
If that's average, well I'll take him any day. And I have seen most of his games,
He's a hell of a lot better than our two Koala bears , and if him and our two kids were on the open market, I know who'd be in demand.

It's one thing to be blinkered about our kids , but if you can't recognise the talent that Bird is, then your football knowledge is severely limited. Bird has had a spectacular introduction to first grade, whereas our two are living off a reputation from previous years , which is rapidly running out., as is probably their value. Which brings into question, whether the money paid to them is going to come back and bite us on the bum in Salary cap problems if we have to recruit a new 5/8 or half down the track.
I'm sick of the excuses about them. They're in first grade and they will be judged on their performances in that grade , it's convenient for their fans to be able to blame Taylor for their crap games, but he's not out there making them throw bad passes and missing tackles( Moses game high missed tackles again in Cows game)

Personally I think you are over-reacting to Bird, but you are entitled to your opinion.

Not saying he doesn't have some talent, but I'm not sold on him as the games next biggest talent and football careers take a long time to put together.

I'll tell you this: Jack Bird is NOT in the Top 20 for tries scored, try assists, line-break assists, line breaks, offloads or kicks in play. I know Bird is a few games short (7 played) but Brooks is in 3 of those lists.

Jack Bird 7 games
Brooks 30 games. He'd want be higher up in something, Brooks isn't the one I'm most worried about, it's moses
You forgot their position in the missed tackle counts

 

[tiga4eva]

I hate boring footy. I used to get so bored watching Storm play a few years ago.
I like to see equal parts in Defence and Attack. But most importantly they need to hold the ball, improve their passing game, limit their errors and start playing smart footy. They seem to be waiting for things to happen, instead of making things happen.
And most of all, i like to see some improvement each week. I'm not asking for too much am i? Lol…

My thoughts exactly Mama. I'll be there with my 3 kids but does anyone think we'll get more than 8,000 to our next game. Friday night vs Titans @ Leichhardt.

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Propably not Tiga. If it was an afternoon game ,maybe. But you never know. I do hope a big crowd turns up and the boys make amends and put on an exciting game of footy for you and your family! Enjoy.. :stuck_out_tongue:

You too!!!

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[stryker]

BTW "bro" its really hard to take you seriously when your opinion changes so frequently.
Get your multiple personalities on the same page and stick to the decided convictions.

Multiple personalities you say

Go back and read a few of my posts Stryker

What do I bung on about ??

Accountability

Attitude

Respect

3 words that if they jumped on your face and wiggled you still wouldn't know or understand

I don't know what you bung on about, you and Geo are the same. You say whatever is popular to try and outscore each other for thumbs up's. Most of what you both write is inane dribble. Also don't presume to know me. You know almost nothing about me.

Taylor's argument is garbage. Comparing this side to the ones he played against is stupid. Of course our defence needs work. Apparently it's been worked on but it needs tonnes more attention. However if you negate your attack almost completely you ensure your opposition is not worn out from their defensive efforts therefore they are fresher for their attack.

End result? You struggle to score any points and your defence struggles to keep points out. It's not rocket science.

 

[Tigermama]

The way the team's been playing lately, is very frustrating and disappointing, but please let's stop heckling each other, take deep breaths and see what the team has in store for us next week. :sign:

 

[jirskyr]

I'm not sure I read this right, Birds performances are average???????????
If that's average, well I'll take him any day. And I have seen most of his games,
He's a hell of a lot better than our two Koala bears , and if him and our two kids were on the open market, I know who'd be in demand.

It's one thing to be blinkered about our kids , but if you can't recognise the talent that Bird is, then your football knowledge is severely limited. Bird has had a spectacular introduction to first grade, whereas our two are living off a reputation from previous years , which is rapidly running out., as is probably their value. Which brings into question, whether the money paid to them is going to come back and bite us on the bum in Salary cap problems if we have to recruit a new 5/8 or half down the track.
I'm sick of the excuses about them. They're in first grade and they will be judged on their performances in that grade , it's convenient for their fans to be able to blame Taylor for their crap games, but he's not out there making them throw bad passes and missing tackles( Moses game high missed tackles again in Cows game)

Personally I think you are over-reacting to Bird, but you are entitled to your opinion.

Not saying he doesn't have some talent, but I'm not sold on him as the games next biggest talent and football careers take a long time to put together.

I'll tell you this: Jack Bird is NOT in the Top 20 for tries scored, try assists, line-break assists, line breaks, offloads or kicks in play. I know Bird is a few games short (7 played) but Brooks is in 3 of those lists.

Jack Bird 7 games
Brooks 30 games. He'd want be higher up in something, Brooks isn't the one I'm most worried about, it's moses
You forgot their position in the missed tackle counts

Didn't have those to hand, it was only attack stats.

Brooks has missed 32/151 = 78.8% effective, Bird has missed 12/140 = 91.4% effective. Brooks gives away 5 cm and 5 kg against Bird.

Moses certainly doesn't represent well in attack stats, only for kicks in play.

But I'm not making the argument Brooks and Moses are going great guns, I am making the argument that Jack Bird has a long way to go and, arguably, in Brooks' first 7 games he had more hype on him than Bird has.

 

[happy_tiger]

BTW "bro" its really hard to take you seriously when your opinion changes so frequently.
Get your multiple personalities on the same page and stick to the decided convictions.

Multiple personalities you say

Go back and read a few of my posts Stryker

What do I bung on about ??

Accountability

Attitude

Respect

3 words that if they jumped on your face and wiggled you still wouldn't know or understand

I don't know what you bung on about, you and Geo are the same. You say whatever is popular to try and outscore each other for thumbs up's. Most of what you both write is inane dribble. Also don't presume to know me. You know almost nothing about me.

Taylor's argument is garbage. Comparing this side to the ones he played against is stupid. Of course our defence needs work. Apparently it's been worked on but it needs tonnes more attention. However if you negate your attack almost completely you ensure your opposition is not worn out from their defensive efforts therefore they are fresher for their attack.

End result? You struggle to score any points and your defence struggles to keep points out. It's not rocket science.

:wtf

I'm A Qlder that baits every NSWmen on this forum Bet that gets me heaps of brownie points

So I say what's popular

Is what I'm saying popular in regards to this subject , not likely

We agree on something . Attitude , but our whole attitude must change

And what is the most important attitude driven part of rugby league

Defence possibly , mental toughness ,concentration

If you don't like what I write , foe button , easily solved

Get over yourself ,Stryker

 

[stryker]

I'll take you up on that.
You'd think someone who averages over 6000 posts a year would have something to say…not bloody likely with you.

 

[happy_tiger]

I'll take you up on that.
You'd think someone who averages over 6000 posts a year would have something to say…not bloody likely with you.

Your problem is you can't see the big picture and how the entire big picture at the Tigers has to change

This may look like a small issue , but it has been an issue since Day 1 with every area , we have been backwards , living in the past and forever playing catch up in the developments of rugby league How many years did Sheens try and turn the clock back to 2005

I still maintain that winning the premiership could have been the worst thing to happen to us (that should get me some more pos rep hey ,Stryker )

We can't fast track the issues we have , Taylor has drawn a line in the sand and said screw being popular , do whats right no matter what

Fortunately it looks like Taylor and the new board can see the light

No short cuts , work hard , be accountable for your actions , put the systems in place that will set us up for the future both on and off field

And you have an issue with it because we might be boring for a while

If I didn't know better I'd think you were an impatient 16 year old

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I'm not sure I read this right, Birds performances are average???????????
If that's average, well I'll take him any day. And I have seen most of his games,
He's a hell of a lot better than our two Koala bears , and if him and our two kids were on the open market, I know who'd be in demand.

It's one thing to be blinkered about our kids , but if you can't recognise the talent that Bird is, then your football knowledge is severely limited. Bird has had a spectacular introduction to first grade, whereas our two are living off a reputation from previous years , which is rapidly running out., as is probably their value. Which brings into question, whether the money paid to them is going to come back and bite us on the bum in Salary cap problems if we have to recruit a new 5/8 or half down the track.
I'm sick of the excuses about them. They're in first grade and they will be judged on their performances in that grade , it's convenient for their fans to be able to blame Taylor for their crap games, but he's not out there making them throw bad passes and missing tackles( Moses game high missed tackles again in Cows game)

Personally I think you are over-reacting to Bird, but you are entitled to your opinion.

Not saying he doesn't have some talent, but I'm not sold on him as the games next biggest talent and football careers take a long time to put together.

I'll tell you this: Jack Bird is NOT in the Top 20 for tries scored, try assists, line-break assists, line breaks, offloads or kicks in play. I know Bird is a few games short (7 played) but Brooks is in 3 of those lists.

Jack Bird 7 games
Brooks 30 games. He'd want be higher up in something, Brooks isn't the one I'm most worried about, it's moses
You forgot their position in the missed tackle counts

Didn't have those to hand, it was only attack stats.

Brooks has missed 32/151 = 78.8% effective, Bird has missed 12/140 = 91.4% effective. Brooks gives away 5 cm and 5 kg against Bird.

Moses certainly doesn't represent well in attack stats, only for kicks in play.

But I'm not making the argument Brooks and Moses are going great guns, I am making the argument that Jack Bird has a long way to go and, arguably, in Brooks' first 7 games he had more hype on him than Bird has.

Jyrskyr, I agree completely with you that ALL the young kids that have popped up have a long way to go before they are full blown first graders, or anywhere near SOO, and that Brooks had more hype on him than Bird had, I've said in here before that I'm not as worried about Brooks as I am about Moses( at this time)
But it's my opinion that Bird has shown that he has settled in to first grade better than our two have . There are multiple reasons for that, but at this moment I feel that Bird contributes more to the Sharks than our kids ( especially Moses ) do to us
I hope that changes, but is onl my opinion, and you've a right to disagree.

 

[stryker]

I'll take you up on that.
You'd think someone who averages over 6000 posts a year would have something to say…not bloody likely with you.

Your problem is you can't see the big picture and how the entire big picture at the Tigers has to change

Hahaha more unsubstantiated dribble. Luckily we all have a know it all like you to enlighten us.

 

[happy_tiger]

I'll take you up on that.
You'd think someone who averages over 6000 posts a year would have something to say…not bloody likely with you.

Your problem is you can't see the big picture and how the entire big picture at the Tigers has to change

Hahaha more unsubstantiated dribble. Luckily we all have a know it all like you to enlighten us.

So if it shouldn't change we should stay the same I guess genius :unamused:

Because that has worked a treat , hey

Keep digging that hole

 

[Geo]

Benji just made an interesting comment on NRL 360 saying that when he was at the Wests Tigers it was all about attack ….since 2005 we wanted to score more points than the other team ,,,the majority of training was about attack,,,,they took pride in it,,,

Now at the Dragons we take pride in keeping the opposition out,,,certainly working for them...

 

[hobbo]

Benji just made an interesting comment on NRL 360 saying that when he was at the Wests Tigers it was all about attack ….since 2005 we wanted to score more points than the other team ,,,the majority of training was about attack,,,,they took pride in it,,,

Now at the Dragons we take pride in keeping the opposition out,,,certainly working for them...

Benji was a major part of our woes ….
He's just gloating now , he couldn't dent a coke can !

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[Russell]

I'm not sure I read this right, Birds performances are average???????????
If that's average, well I'll take him any day. And I have seen most of his games,
He's a hell of a lot better than our two Koala bears , and if him and our two kids were on the open market, I know who'd be in demand.

It's one thing to be blinkered about our kids , but if you can't recognise the talent that Bird is, then your football knowledge is severely limited. Bird has had a spectacular introduction to first grade, whereas our two are living off a reputation from previous years , which is rapidly running out., as is probably their value. Which brings into question, whether the money paid to them is going to come back and bite us on the bum in Salary cap problems if we have to recruit a new 5/8 or half down the track.
I'm sick of the excuses about them. They're in first grade and they will be judged on their performances in that grade , it's convenient for their fans to be able to blame Taylor for their crap games, but he's not out there making them throw bad passes and missing tackles( Moses game high missed tackles again in Cows game)

Personally I think you are over-reacting to Bird, but you are entitled to your opinion.

Not saying he doesn't have some talent, but I'm not sold on him as the games next biggest talent and football careers take a long time to put together.

I'll tell you this: Jack Bird is NOT in the Top 20 for tries scored, try assists, line-break assists, line breaks, offloads or kicks in play. I know Bird is a few games short (7 played) but Brooks is in 3 of those lists.

Jack Bird 7 games
Brooks 30 games. He'd want be higher up in something, Brooks isn't the one I'm most worried about, it's moses
You forgot their position in the missed tackle counts

Moses is the new whipping boy!!!

Keep a note of this post GCT - I'll back Moses any day to end up as a much better 5/8 than Bird.
Bird will probably end up as a lock I think.

 

[stryker]

Of course focusing on defence is a good thing you pair of geeks, none of us are disputing that. What most of us are saying is that if Taylor and co think the ridiculous attack strategy of 5 x one out hit ups followed by a clearing kick will aid our defence they will be sadly mistaken.

Throwing almost zero attack at a professional Rugby League side will result in the following:

1\. The opposition defenders will easily read the attack resulting in far more dominant tackles slowing down our play the ball.

2\. This will also lead to more of our runners being blindsided in potentialy injury causing hits as their minds are on simply catching, taking the tackle and playing the ball without error. This single focus will take them out of what's happening on their periphery.

3\. Due to the ruck being slowed down, the opposition line will always be set resulting in us needing low percentage plays to score.

4\. The opposition lose very low energy levels defending which means they have higher than normal levels for their attack.

5\. We lose field position

6\. We continue losing games.

Concentration on only one facet of the game will not bring success. Playing negatively will not guarantee victories. You have to excell in both areas to win.