Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go

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@Snake said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154879) said:
@innsaneink said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154865) said:
@Jedi_Tiger said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154858) said:
why 8 at cambo ? nowhere near our leagues clubs or COE and makes no sense. We may aswell train at parramatta and play at kogarah oval ...

Bit like playing certain teams at certain grounds... You do know sometimes we play some once, some twice... Impossible contractually
There's no right answer... With this topic everyone has a different pov, dozens of options... and it shows why the clubs done nothing for 20 years trying to appease all

Well it is time the club grew a set and they set the agenda ! But as someone suggested to me today there is no divided supporter base ,yeh right ! Maybe read these threads ..
The time is right to move forward the club just needs a can do man ! But they are in very short supply these days !

The issue is each option has major issues as a fulltime base, there is not good choice, so I guess the club likes the current arrangements as it meets all the needs across the different grounds.
 
@innsaneink said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154865) said:
@Jedi_Tiger said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154858) said:
why 8 at cambo ? nowhere near our leagues clubs or COE and makes no sense. We may aswell train at parramatta and play at kogarah oval ...

Bit like playing certain teams at certain grounds... You do know sometimes we play some once, some twice... Impossible contractually
There's no right answer... With this topic everyone has a different pov, dozens of options... and it shows why the clubs done nothing for 20 years trying to appease all

Big assumption ink that the club is trying to appease fans. It’s my understanding (with distantly “inside” info) that the current set up is best financially for the club. Bigger draw opposition at stadiums, smaller at LO & cambo. Break even is $ 10k at those suburban grounds
 
@Tiger5150 said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154882) said:
@innsaneink said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154865) said:
@Jedi_Tiger said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154858) said:
why 8 at cambo ? nowhere near our leagues clubs or COE and makes no sense. We may aswell train at parramatta and play at kogarah oval ...

Bit like playing certain teams at certain grounds... You do know sometimes we play some once, some twice... Impossible contractually
There's no right answer... With this topic everyone has a different pov, dozens of options... and it shows why the clubs done nothing for 20 years trying to appease all

Big assumption ink that the club is trying to appease fans. It’s my understanding (with distantly “inside” info) that the current set up is best financially for the club. Bigger draw opposition at stadiums, smaller at LO & cambo. Break even is $ 10k at those suburban grounds

I've heard it is much higher than 10k and on a lot of occasions the club loses money playing there.
 
@cochise said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154885) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154882) said:
@innsaneink said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154865) said:
@Jedi_Tiger said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154858) said:
why 8 at cambo ? nowhere near our leagues clubs or COE and makes no sense. We may aswell train at parramatta and play at kogarah oval ...

Bit like playing certain teams at certain grounds... You do know sometimes we play some once, some twice... Impossible contractually
There's no right answer... With this topic everyone has a different pov, dozens of options... and it shows why the clubs done nothing for 20 years trying to appease all

Big assumption ink that the club is trying to appease fans. It’s my understanding (with distantly “inside” info) that the current set up is best financially for the club. Bigger draw opposition at stadiums, smaller at LO & cambo. Break even is $ 10k at those suburban grounds

I've heard it is much higher than 10k and on a lot of occasions the club loses money playing there.



It used to be at LO but council has come to the party with ground hire. We don’t lose $ at LO, council are actively helping. WT don’t make much though around 10k
 
@Snake said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154879) said:
@innsaneink said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154865) said:
@Jedi_Tiger said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154858) said:
why 8 at cambo ? nowhere near our leagues clubs or COE and makes no sense. We may aswell train at parramatta and play at kogarah oval ...

Bit like playing certain teams at certain grounds... You do know sometimes we play some once, some twice... Impossible contractually
There's no right answer... With this topic everyone has a different pov, dozens of options... and it shows why the clubs done nothing for 20 years trying to appease all

Well it is time the club grew a set and they set the agenda ! But as someone suggested to me today there is no divided supporter base ,yeh right ! Maybe read these threads ..
The time is right to move forward the club just needs a can do man ! But they are in very short supply these days !


It wasn't suggested there was no divide ..The question was why would playing at several home grounds cause a divide as you claim it does...?

Wouldn't selecting 1 home ground supporters don't like divide the supporter base....It's looks like from the responses in this thread given everyone has there own preferences it would achieve that..Lets see

ANZ..it's a cavern no good for Club footy
BankWest..Hate it..it's Parra's home ground
Campbelltown..Too far from Concord/Leagues Club
Leichhardt..it's a dump lose money playing there..
 
@Tiger5150 said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154886) said:
@cochise said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154885) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154882) said:
@innsaneink said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154865) said:
@Jedi_Tiger said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154858) said:
why 8 at cambo ? nowhere near our leagues clubs or COE and makes no sense. We may aswell train at parramatta and play at kogarah oval ...

Bit like playing certain teams at certain grounds... You do know sometimes we play some once, some twice... Impossible contractually
There's no right answer... With this topic everyone has a different pov, dozens of options... and it shows why the clubs done nothing for 20 years trying to appease all

Big assumption ink that the club is trying to appease fans. It’s my understanding (with distantly “inside” info) that the current set up is best financially for the club. Bigger draw opposition at stadiums, smaller at LO & cambo. Break even is $ 10k at those suburban grounds

I've heard it is much higher than 10k and on a lot of occasions the club loses money playing there.



It used to be at LO but council has come to the party with ground hire. We don’t lose $ at LO, council are actively helping. WT don’t make much though around 10k

The deal with ANZ, that I assume moved to Bankwest, had in excess of $125,000 guarantee per game.
 
@Geo said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154888) said:
@Snake said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154879) said:
@innsaneink said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154865) said:
@Jedi_Tiger said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154858) said:
why 8 at cambo ? nowhere near our leagues clubs or COE and makes no sense. We may aswell train at parramatta and play at kogarah oval ...

Bit like playing certain teams at certain grounds... You do know sometimes we play some once, some twice... Impossible contractually
There's no right answer... With this topic everyone has a different pov, dozens of options... and it shows why the clubs done nothing for 20 years trying to appease all

Well it is time the club grew a set and they set the agenda ! But as someone suggested to me today there is no divided supporter base ,yeh right ! Maybe read these threads ..
The time is right to move forward the club just needs a can do man ! But they are in very short supply these days !


It wasn't suggested there was no divide ..The question was why would playing at several home grounds cause a divide as you claim it does...?

Wouldn't selecting 1 home ground supporters don't like divide the supporter base....It's looks like from the responses in this thread given everyone has there own preferences it would achieve that..Lets see

ANZ..it's a cavern no good for Club footy
BankWest..Hate it..it's Parra's home ground
Campbelltown..Too far from Concord/Leagues Club
Leichhardt..it's a dump lose money playing there..

@Geo that is the exact problem and the reason the club hasn't made a move on this as each ground has its problems, but each ground has different problems and by playing at more of them we are meeting all the needs of our supporter base. No one ground does that.
 
@Geo said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154888) said:
@Snake said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154879) said:
@innsaneink said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154865) said:
@Jedi_Tiger said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154858) said:
why 8 at cambo ? nowhere near our leagues clubs or COE and makes no sense. We may aswell train at parramatta and play at kogarah oval ...

Bit like playing certain teams at certain grounds... You do know sometimes we play some once, some twice... Impossible contractually
There's no right answer... With this topic everyone has a different pov, dozens of options... and it shows why the clubs done nothing for 20 years trying to appease all

Well it is time the club grew a set and they set the agenda ! But as someone suggested to me today there is no divided supporter base ,yeh right ! Maybe read these threads ..
The time is right to move forward the club just needs a can do man ! But they are in very short supply these days !


It wasn't suggested there was no divide ..The question was why would playing at several home grounds cause a divide as you claim it does...?

Wouldn't selecting 1 home ground supporters don't like divide the supporter base....It's looks like from the responses in this thread given everyone has there own preferences it would achieve that..Lets see

ANZ..it's a cavern no good for Club footy
BankWest..Hate it..it's Parra's home ground
Campbelltown..Too far from Concord/Leagues Club
Leichhardt..it's a dump lose money playing there..

ANZ would work with more cardboard fans and fake crowd noise !
 
One from the left field, North Sydney Oval is conveniently placed and close to public transport, however, parking could be an issue.
 
@InBenjiWeTrust said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154896) said:
One from the left field, North Sydney Oval is conveniently placed and close to public transport, however, parking could be an issue.

And it is an oval and even further away for most of our supporters.
 
@InBenjiWeTrust said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154896) said:
One from the left field, North Sydney Oval is conveniently placed and close to public transport, however, parking could be an issue.

That is just way too funny. We need progress, not hanging onto the past.
 
@cochise said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154889) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154886) said:
@cochise said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154885) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154882) said:
@innsaneink said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154865) said:
@Jedi_Tiger said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154858) said:
why 8 at cambo ? nowhere near our leagues clubs or COE and makes no sense. We may aswell train at parramatta and play at kogarah oval ...

Bit like playing certain teams at certain grounds... You do know sometimes we play some once, some twice... Impossible contractually
There's no right answer... With this topic everyone has a different pov, dozens of options... and it shows why the clubs done nothing for 20 years trying to appease all

Big assumption ink that the club is trying to appease fans. It’s my understanding (with distantly “inside” info) that the current set up is best financially for the club. Bigger draw opposition at stadiums, smaller at LO & cambo. Break even is $ 10k at those suburban grounds

I've heard it is much higher than 10k and on a lot of occasions the club loses money playing there.



It used to be at LO but council has come to the party with ground hire. We don’t lose $ at LO, council are actively helping. WT don’t make much though around 10k

The deal with ANZ, that I assume moved to Bankwest, had in excess of $125,000 guarantee per game.


Its less than $125K and it is not profit, its minimum revenue and costs come out of that. There is a break even point and it suits the club to have low drawing opposition at LO or CS.
 
@Tiger5150 said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154943) said:
@cochise said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154889) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154886) said:
@cochise said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154885) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154882) said:
@innsaneink said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154865) said:
@Jedi_Tiger said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154858) said:
why 8 at cambo ? nowhere near our leagues clubs or COE and makes no sense. We may aswell train at parramatta and play at kogarah oval ...

Bit like playing certain teams at certain grounds... You do know sometimes we play some once, some twice... Impossible contractually
There's no right answer... With this topic everyone has a different pov, dozens of options... and it shows why the clubs done nothing for 20 years trying to appease all

Big assumption ink that the club is trying to appease fans. It’s my understanding (with distantly “inside” info) that the current set up is best financially for the club. Bigger draw opposition at stadiums, smaller at LO & cambo. Break even is $ 10k at those suburban grounds

I've heard it is much higher than 10k and on a lot of occasions the club loses money playing there.



It used to be at LO but council has come to the party with ground hire. We don’t lose $ at LO, council are actively helping. WT don’t make much though around 10k

The deal with ANZ, that I assume moved to Bankwest, had in excess of $125,000 guarantee per game.


Its less than $125K and it is not profit, its minimum revenue and costs come out of that. There is a break even point and it suits the club to have low drawing opposition at LO or CS.

The operational cost are supposed to be around 15-20k for ANZ, though that is about 5 years old but can't see it being much more than that.
 
@cochise said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154945) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154943) said:
@cochise said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154889) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154886) said:
@cochise said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154885) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154882) said:
@innsaneink said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154865) said:
@Jedi_Tiger said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154858) said:
why 8 at cambo ? nowhere near our leagues clubs or COE and makes no sense. We may aswell train at parramatta and play at kogarah oval ...

Bit like playing certain teams at certain grounds... You do know sometimes we play some once, some twice... Impossible contractually
There's no right answer... With this topic everyone has a different pov, dozens of options... and it shows why the clubs done nothing for 20 years trying to appease all

Big assumption ink that the club is trying to appease fans. It’s my understanding (with distantly “inside” info) that the current set up is best financially for the club. Bigger draw opposition at stadiums, smaller at LO & cambo. Break even is $ 10k at those suburban grounds

I've heard it is much higher than 10k and on a lot of occasions the club loses money playing there.



It used to be at LO but council has come to the party with ground hire. We don’t lose $ at LO, council are actively helping. WT don’t make much though around 10k

The deal with ANZ, that I assume moved to Bankwest, had in excess of $125,000 guarantee per game.


Its less than $125K and it is not profit, its minimum revenue and costs come out of that. There is a break even point and it suits the club to have low drawing opposition at LO or CS.

The operational cost are supposed to be around 15-20k for ANZ, though that is about 5 years old but can't see it being much more than that.


I have some inside info on this, but unlike others I dont claim to have the full story. I know for a fact that the Tigers AND the stadium lose money on low crowds and it is not in either interest to have these games at ANZ/Bankwest. I know both the club & ANZ want low crowds at LO/CS.

$15-20K seems ridiculously low. I run a business and it is hard to employ a contractor (single person) on a weekend for $1K. There would be more than 20 security guards at ANZ on match day. No way you could run a match day for $ 15K cost. YOu couldnt emply 20-30 people for that.

YOu have to ask yourself why the stadia want the Tigers there? They still charge a fee. ANZ still make money out of us being there.

Im telling you, from like 2 degrees of separation, ANZ/Bankwest works for the club and the stadia, but not for all games.
 
@Tiger5150 said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154950) said:
@cochise said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154945) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154943) said:
@cochise said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154889) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154886) said:
@cochise said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154885) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154882) said:
@innsaneink said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154865) said:
@Jedi_Tiger said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154858) said:
why 8 at cambo ? nowhere near our leagues clubs or COE and makes no sense. We may aswell train at parramatta and play at kogarah oval ...

Bit like playing certain teams at certain grounds... You do know sometimes we play some once, some twice... Impossible contractually
There's no right answer... With this topic everyone has a different pov, dozens of options... and it shows why the clubs done nothing for 20 years trying to appease all

Big assumption ink that the club is trying to appease fans. It’s my understanding (with distantly “inside” info) that the current set up is best financially for the club. Bigger draw opposition at stadiums, smaller at LO & cambo. Break even is $ 10k at those suburban grounds

I've heard it is much higher than 10k and on a lot of occasions the club loses money playing there.



It used to be at LO but council has come to the party with ground hire. We don’t lose $ at LO, council are actively helping. WT don’t make much though around 10k

The deal with ANZ, that I assume moved to Bankwest, had in excess of $125,000 guarantee per game.


Its less than $125K and it is not profit, its minimum revenue and costs come out of that. There is a break even point and it suits the club to have low drawing opposition at LO or CS.

The operational cost are supposed to be around 15-20k for ANZ, though that is about 5 years old but can't see it being much more than that.


I have some inside info on this, but unlike others I dont claim to have the full story. I know for a fact that the Tigers AND the stadium lose money on low crowds and it is not in either interest to have these games at ANZ/Bankwest. I know both the club & ANZ want low crowds at LO/CS.

$15-20K seems ridiculously low. I run a business and it is hard to employ a contractor (single person) on a weekend for $1K. There would be more than 20 security guards at ANZ on match day. No way you could run a match day for $ 15K cost. YOu couldnt emply 20-30 people for that.

YOu have to ask yourself why the stadia want the Tigers there? They still charge a fee. ANZ still make money out of us being there.

Im telling you, from like 2 degrees of separation, ANZ/Bankwest works for the club and the stadia, but not for all games.

Yes but you always want evidence and don't like to trust hearsay in these sorts of conversations, I am at least going off articles written during the timeframe of our current deal with Venues NSW. You are using some distant inside info?
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/home-truths-why-playing-at-big-venues-pays-off-for-sydney-clubs-20140426-zr05p.html

http://www.footyindustry.com/?page_id=500
 
@cochise said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154958) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154950) said:
@cochise said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154945) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154943) said:
@cochise said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154889) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154886) said:
@cochise said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154885) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154882) said:
@innsaneink said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154865) said:
@Jedi_Tiger said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154858) said:
why 8 at cambo ? nowhere near our leagues clubs or COE and makes no sense. We may aswell train at parramatta and play at kogarah oval ...

Bit like playing certain teams at certain grounds... You do know sometimes we play some once, some twice... Impossible contractually
There's no right answer... With this topic everyone has a different pov, dozens of options... and it shows why the clubs done nothing for 20 years trying to appease all

Big assumption ink that the club is trying to appease fans. It’s my understanding (with distantly “inside” info) that the current set up is best financially for the club. Bigger draw opposition at stadiums, smaller at LO & cambo. Break even is $ 10k at those suburban grounds

I've heard it is much higher than 10k and on a lot of occasions the club loses money playing there.



It used to be at LO but council has come to the party with ground hire. We don’t lose $ at LO, council are actively helping. WT don’t make much though around 10k

The deal with ANZ, that I assume moved to Bankwest, had in excess of $125,000 guarantee per game.


Its less than $125K and it is not profit, its minimum revenue and costs come out of that. There is a break even point and it suits the club to have low drawing opposition at LO or CS.

The operational cost are supposed to be around 15-20k for ANZ, though that is about 5 years old but can't see it being much more than that.


I have some inside info on this, but unlike others I dont claim to have the full story. I know for a fact that the Tigers AND the stadium lose money on low crowds and it is not in either interest to have these games at ANZ/Bankwest. I know both the club & ANZ want low crowds at LO/CS.

$15-20K seems ridiculously low. I run a business and it is hard to employ a contractor (single person) on a weekend for $1K. There would be more than 20 security guards at ANZ on match day. No way you could run a match day for $ 15K cost. YOu couldnt emply 20-30 people for that.

YOu have to ask yourself why the stadia want the Tigers there? They still charge a fee. ANZ still make money out of us being there.

Im telling you, from like 2 degrees of separation, ANZ/Bankwest works for the club and the stadia, but not for all games.

Yes but you always want evidence and don't like to trust hearsay in these sorts of conversations, I am at least going off articles written during the timeframe of our current deal with Venues NSW. You are using some distant inside info?
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/home-truths-why-playing-at-big-venues-pays-off-for-sydney-clubs-20140426-zr05p.html

http://www.footyindustry.com/?page_id=500


My info isnt that distant, its an ex board member. That article (only read the first one) is wrong in most part and a lot of guess work. It costs $65K at Leichhardt but only $10K for ANZ? How many humans do you think you can employ, as a contractor, on a Sunday, including insurances, Super, GST etc for $10K. In my experience, thats between 15-20people. Good luck managing a 20-50K crowd with 20 people. Its just rubbish and you dont need "proof" to show that, you just need common sense and to use your own brain.

I am not claiming to have knowledge of exact figures, but I do have knowledge that it is not in either the club or the Stadiums interest to have small crowds at ANZ/Bankwest, they BOTH want them at LO & Cambo.

I have zero knowledge of the situation at Cambo but being in competition with LO, I assume it is parallel. Inner West Council have drastically reduced their ground fees to the Tigers and are actively reducing their costs in order to maintain WT as tenants.
 
I believe Campbelltown council charge somewhere in the vicinity of $20k for ground hire, then WT obviously have to pay for catering and security on top of that. $50-60k wouldn't be unreasonable to assume at the end of the day for club costs.
 
@Tiger5150 said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154962) said:
@cochise said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154958) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154950) said:
@cochise said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154945) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154943) said:
@cochise said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154889) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154886) said:
@cochise said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154885) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154882) said:
@innsaneink said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154865) said:
@Jedi_Tiger said in [Four new suburban stadiums or grand final will go](/post/1154858) said:
why 8 at cambo ? nowhere near our leagues clubs or COE and makes no sense. We may aswell train at parramatta and play at kogarah oval ...

Bit like playing certain teams at certain grounds... You do know sometimes we play some once, some twice... Impossible contractually
There's no right answer... With this topic everyone has a different pov, dozens of options... and it shows why the clubs done nothing for 20 years trying to appease all

Big assumption ink that the club is trying to appease fans. It’s my understanding (with distantly “inside” info) that the current set up is best financially for the club. Bigger draw opposition at stadiums, smaller at LO & cambo. Break even is $ 10k at those suburban grounds

I've heard it is much higher than 10k and on a lot of occasions the club loses money playing there.



It used to be at LO but council has come to the party with ground hire. We don’t lose $ at LO, council are actively helping. WT don’t make much though around 10k

The deal with ANZ, that I assume moved to Bankwest, had in excess of $125,000 guarantee per game.


Its less than $125K and it is not profit, its minimum revenue and costs come out of that. There is a break even point and it suits the club to have low drawing opposition at LO or CS.

The operational cost are supposed to be around 15-20k for ANZ, though that is about 5 years old but can't see it being much more than that.


I have some inside info on this, but unlike others I dont claim to have the full story. I know for a fact that the Tigers AND the stadium lose money on low crowds and it is not in either interest to have these games at ANZ/Bankwest. I know both the club & ANZ want low crowds at LO/CS.

$15-20K seems ridiculously low. I run a business and it is hard to employ a contractor (single person) on a weekend for $1K. There would be more than 20 security guards at ANZ on match day. No way you could run a match day for $ 15K cost. YOu couldnt emply 20-30 people for that.

YOu have to ask yourself why the stadia want the Tigers there? They still charge a fee. ANZ still make money out of us being there.

Im telling you, from like 2 degrees of separation, ANZ/Bankwest works for the club and the stadia, but not for all games.

Yes but you always want evidence and don't like to trust hearsay in these sorts of conversations, I am at least going off articles written during the timeframe of our current deal with Venues NSW. You are using some distant inside info?
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/home-truths-why-playing-at-big-venues-pays-off-for-sydney-clubs-20140426-zr05p.html

http://www.footyindustry.com/?page_id=500


My info isnt that distant, its an ex board member. That article (only read the first one) is wrong in most part and a lot of guess work. It costs $65K at Leichhardt but only $10K for ANZ? How many humans do you think you can employ, as a contractor, on a Sunday, including insurances, Super, GST etc for $10K. In my experience, thats between 15-20people. Good luck managing a 20-50K crowd with 20 people. Its just rubbish and you dont need "proof" to show that, you just need common sense and to use your own brain.

I am not claiming to have knowledge of exact figures, but I do have knowledge that it is not in either the club or the Stadiums interest to have small crowds at ANZ/Bankwest, they BOTH want them at LO & Cambo.

I have zero knowledge of the situation at Cambo but being in competition with LO, I assume it is parallel. Inner West Council have drastically reduced their ground fees to the Tigers and are actively reducing their costs in order to maintain WT as tenants.

Things like hiring a screen etc at CSS and LO significantly add to the costs of using the grounds.

I will however trust your judgement as you are a poster I do respect the opinion of even when I disagree with you. If you say you know someone I believe you know someone so will take what you said.
 
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The club needs to advise there membership base if they are planning to walk away from there inner west/ western/ north western Sydney areas and make Campbelltown there home ground ..that’s not an issue but there is a need to know .. you can not ask for memberships to be pledged and not be transparent ..
The sooner the better !

What do you mean by walk away..?

The COE for Wests Tigers is being built in Concord...that wont change...

Where they play if it were to be 1 Ground..Campbelltown, Bankwest, ANZ, Leichhardt or Timbucktoo will be a while off should even these upgrades get done..

Also most Clubs have various home grounds and all take home games to various other places in a season...

Why does playing at different grounds for home games divide the supporter base as you claim..?

I'm not sure about dividing the supporter base but we've used 5 grounds as our Sydney home ground now. Dont you think that is ridiculous?

Not if it brings in the cash...

Thats a good argument for playing at the stadiums. But we lose money getting 10k at the suburbans, which we regularly do.

The suggestion is move to 1 Stadium.. said that ..being BankWest, ANZ, or a redeveloped Campbelltown or Leichhardt..the Suburbans won't be as they are if they are redeveloped..seems the issue is now is that the One could be Campbelltown we have already have questioning of renewals of memberships if that ends up being the case...

I don't see a problem playing at ANZ BankWest WestsSFS or Timbucktoo in one season..if it brings in revenue for just playing there..

This is a long way off anyway..

A long way off? Do you mean the suburban grounds getting developed or the clubs desire to have one home ground. They could have one home ground next year.

It won’t be next year. I believe there is still a ways to go on their contractual arrangements with ANZ/BankWest.

That doesn't mean that it can't be next year.

Can only be if it is BankWest, otherwise we will have to wait for one home ground.

or ANZ, they are both managed by venues NSW

Yes but the managers of ANZ/BankWest have said BankWest for home games. That’s why we are not playing at ANZ. The NSW govt wants to maximise the investment in BankWest. This may have changed after the weekend’s announcement but I doubt it.

No they haven't we were allowed to change because ANZ was going to be out of action, legally I don't think they would be able to prevent us from using ANZ if we wanted to.

ANZ wasn’t out of action last year. My preference would be ANZ but I cannot see that happening at all now. I think there is Buckley’s chance (none) of Wests Tigers having ANZ as the one home ground now.

The move was because it was going to be out action for a number of years, so why not move to the new ground early. I believe we should make Bankwest our home ground but most other people seem to prefer the totally inappropriate ANZ.

I'd prefer the Woolworths carpark at Gulargambone to Bankwest.
 
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why 8 at cambo ? nowhere near our leagues clubs or COE and makes no sense. We may aswell train at parramatta and play at kogarah oval ...

Bit like playing certain teams at certain grounds... You do know sometimes we play some once, some twice... Impossible contractually
There's no right answer... With this topic everyone has a different pov, dozens of options... and it shows why the clubs done nothing for 20 years trying to appease all

Big assumption ink that the club is trying to appease fans. It’s my understanding (with distantly “inside” info) that the current set up is best financially for the club. Bigger draw opposition at stadiums, smaller at LO & cambo. Break even is $ 10k at those suburban grounds

I've heard it is much higher than 10k and on a lot of occasions the club loses money playing there.



It used to be at LO but council has come to the party with ground hire. We don’t lose $ at LO, council are actively helping. WT don’t make much though around 10k

The deal with ANZ, that I assume moved to Bankwest, had in excess of $125,000 guarantee per game.


Its less than $125K and it is not profit, its minimum revenue and costs come out of that. There is a break even point and it suits the club to have low drawing opposition at LO or CS.

The operational cost are supposed to be around 15-20k for ANZ, though that is about 5 years old but can't see it being much more than that.


I have some inside info on this, but unlike others I dont claim to have the full story. I know for a fact that the Tigers AND the stadium lose money on low crowds and it is not in either interest to have these games at ANZ/Bankwest. I know both the club & ANZ want low crowds at LO/CS.

$15-20K seems ridiculously low. I run a business and it is hard to employ a contractor (single person) on a weekend for $1K. There would be more than 20 security guards at ANZ on match day. No way you could run a match day for $ 15K cost. YOu couldnt emply 20-30 people for that.

YOu have to ask yourself why the stadia want the Tigers there? They still charge a fee. ANZ still make money out of us being there.

Im telling you, from like 2 degrees of separation, ANZ/Bankwest works for the club and the stadia, but not for all games.

Yes but you always want evidence and don't like to trust hearsay in these sorts of conversations, I am at least going off articles written during the timeframe of our current deal with Venues NSW. You are using some distant inside info?
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/home-truths-why-playing-at-big-venues-pays-off-for-sydney-clubs-20140426-zr05p.html

http://www.footyindustry.com/?page_id=500


My info isnt that distant, its an ex board member. That article (only read the first one) is wrong in most part and a lot of guess work. It costs $65K at Leichhardt but only $10K for ANZ? How many humans do you think you can employ, as a contractor, on a Sunday, including insurances, Super, GST etc for $10K. In my experience, thats between 15-20people. Good luck managing a 20-50K crowd with 20 people. Its just rubbish and you dont need "proof" to show that, you just need common sense and to use your own brain.

I am not claiming to have knowledge of exact figures, but I do have knowledge that it is not in either the club or the Stadiums interest to have small crowds at ANZ/Bankwest, they BOTH want them at LO & Cambo.

I have zero knowledge of the situation at Cambo but being in competition with LO, I assume it is parallel. Inner West Council have drastically reduced their ground fees to the Tigers and are actively reducing their costs in order to maintain WT as tenants.

Things like hiring a screen etc at CSS and LO significantly add to the costs of using the grounds.

I will however trust your judgement as you are a poster I do respect the opinion of even when I disagree with you. If you say you know someone I believe you know someone so will take what you said.


I dont doubt that it costs $65K in costs to hold a game at Leichhardt, but I do doubt (not based on inside info, just on my own experience) that its $10K at ANZ. The take home message is that Tigers & ANZ lose money on small crowds and they want these games at LO/CS.

Tigers make bugger all at LO but dont lose money, also a big boost in soul/spirit/PR. Cant vouch for CS.
 
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