Godinet vs Liddle

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What is the point of picking Godinet? What club brings on a hooker for the last 25 to just shovel it out.

If Liddle was coming on in the back half its a different game.

Ivan Cleary, as good as he has done, has made some shocking selections.

Liddle is injured with a sternum injury - you can get away with playing him from time to time in ISP but he would get smashed in that area for sure in the NRL>
 
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What is the point of picking Godinet? What club brings on a hooker for the last 25 to just shovel it out.

If Liddle was coming on in the back half its a different game.

Ivan Cleary, as good as he has done, has made some shocking selections.

I think you may have answered your own question, to me there is no point bringing Liddle on for 25mins when he clearly needs to be playing a full game to get match fitness up.

Cleary obviously doesn’t think he is up for a full game in first grade so is giving him that time in ISP and once he’s happy with that output you will see him back in firsts.

That’s just my opinion of course.

That’s exactly what’s happening. But what would Cleary know. Amazing how everyone on here is an expert and knows his players in and out and what they need. Once again we are in the thick of it with a premiership heavyweight and the forum is in meltdown.

How far away is Ivan's grand plan of playing Liddle for 80 minutes in 1st grade though?
He is coming off the bench in ISP so from the outside looking in it looks as though he can't even handle a full game of ISP due to his porcelain body. He should be pumping out 80 mins by the time 2024 comes around. We should all be content and patient until then really.

Look F to B - have the utmost respect for your posts - but the 3 above have me frothing. As you say you are looking from the outside in - and then putting crap on a young bloke who is showing stellar fortitude and untold amounts of guts and stoicism to just be playing.

Have you ever had a severe sterum injury? - it takes ages to get over it without playing.

He is playing in ISP because he can keep fitness without the guarantee of being targeted by big palookas until he can get back to NRL to help us out.

Be fair and give him a bit of a go.
 
Didnt you idiots watch the ISP GAME YESTERDAY .Lidlle made half a dozen front on tackles and was wrapped by the Commentators .Its not his fault Ivan doesnt give him enough time on the field >as it was he played over 50 minutes withought a ploblem give him a break
 
Is it fair to say Clearys thoughts are with his kids origin campaign rather than Wests Tigers ?

Liddle hands down .
 
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I think you may have answered your own question, to me there is no point bringing Liddle on for 25mins when he clearly needs to be playing a full game to get match fitness up.

Cleary obviously doesn’t think he is up for a full game in first grade so is giving him that time in ISP and once he’s happy with that output you will see him back in firsts.

That’s just my opinion of course.

That’s exactly what’s happening. But what would Cleary know. Amazing how everyone on here is an expert and knows his players in and out and what they need. Once again we are in the thick of it with a premiership heavyweight and the forum is in meltdown.

How far away is Ivan's grand plan of playing Liddle for 80 minutes in 1st grade though?
He is coming off the bench in ISP so from the outside looking in it looks as though he can't even handle a full game of ISP due to his porcelain body. He should be pumping out 80 mins by the time 2024 comes around. We should all be content and patient until then really.

Look F to B - have the utmost respect for your posts - but the 3 above have me frothing. As you say you are looking from the outside in - and then putting crap on a young bloke who is showing stellar fortitude and untold amounts of guts and stoicism to just be playing.

Have you ever had a severe sterum injury? - it takes ages to get over it without playing.

He is playing in ISP because he can keep fitness without the guarantee of being targeted by big palookas until he can get back to NRL to help us out.

Be fair and give him a bit of a go.

Fair enough.
But if Middle is struggling with a severe sternum injury he should be left out of ISP altogether to rest it and let it heal. It's not as if midgets are playing ISP. he is competing against blokes who are as big as 1st graders.
Wasn't questioning his guts, fortitude etc…....more so if he is right to play why are we throwing our season away by persisting with ET, Godinet at hooker when they aren't 1st grade standard hookers? If he is right to play, play him in 1sts. If he's not right to play in 1sts, give him a rest and don't play him at all.
Can just see a Ballin scenario starting to develop, not Liddle's fault, but it is massively frustrating to see our club perhaps once again competing minus perhaps the most important position on the field being filled by a specialist hooker.
How long do we wait?
When is Liddle signed until? If he is still struggling with numerous injuries as he has thus far in his NRL career would you re-sign him or look for another option if you were in charge?
 
McIlwrick has to be given a go. It's painful not having any direction from dummy half every week. We are sliding fast into to middle of the pack & with a few more losses we'll be where everyone predicted we would be at the start of the year.
 
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McIlwrick has to be given a go. It's painful not having any direction from dummy half every week. We are sliding fast into to middle of the pack & with a few more losses we'll be where everyone predicted we would be at the start of the year.

Don't talk about it. I turned off watching the old Magpies go down week after week, year after year - I don't want to end up in the same no-man's-land again.
 
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Liddle body cant handle first grade so i agree with cleary not picking him. Mcllwrick however…......

I don't think Liddle should be written off like that. He's a talented hooker. The staff at WT will get him up for 1st grade.

McIlwrick has dropped to 5th in line for NRL in the coach's opinion.
Taylor, Reynolds, Liddle and Godinet are all preferred by the coach.
I think you can take it as a sign that he won't be in NRL anytime soon.
 
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McIlwrick has to be given a go. It's painful not having any direction from dummy half every week. We are sliding fast into to middle of the pack & with a few more losses we'll be where everyone predicted we would be at the start of the year.

He’s on the scrap heap along with Felise. Buggered if I know why when we have no other options.
 
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That’s exactly what’s happening. But what would Cleary know. Amazing how everyone on here is an expert and knows his players in and out and what they need. Once again we are in the thick of it with a premiership heavyweight and the forum is in meltdown.

How far away is Ivan's grand plan of playing Liddle for 80 minutes in 1st grade though?
He is coming off the bench in ISP so from the outside looking in it looks as though he can't even handle a full game of ISP due to his porcelain body. He should be pumping out 80 mins by the time 2024 comes around. We should all be content and patient until then really.

Look F to B - have the utmost respect for your posts - but the 3 above have me frothing. As you say you are looking from the outside in - and then putting crap on a young bloke who is showing stellar fortitude and untold amounts of guts and stoicism to just be playing.

Have you ever had a severe sterum injury? - it takes ages to get over it without playing.

He is playing in ISP because he can keep fitness without the guarantee of being targeted by big palookas until he can get back to NRL to help us out.

Be fair and give him a bit of a go.

Fair enough.
But if Middle is struggling with a severe sternum injury he should be left out of ISP altogether to rest it and let it heal. It's not as if midgets are playing ISP. he is competing against blokes who are as big as 1st graders.
Wasn't questioning his guts, fortitude etc…....more so if he is right to play why are we throwing our season away by persisting with ET, Godinet at hooker when they aren't 1st grade standard hookers? If he is right to play, play him in 1sts. If he's not right to play in 1sts, give him a rest and don't play him at all.
Can just see a Ballin scenario starting to develop, not Liddle's fault, but it is massively frustrating to see our club perhaps once again competing minus perhaps the most important position on the field being filled by a specialist hooker.
How long do we wait?
When is Liddle signed until? If he is still struggling with numerous injuries as he has thus far in his NRL career would you re-sign him or look for another option if you were in charge?

He has not had numerous injuries - he had his shoulders reconstructed - because of medical staff it was put off until the off season because they thought he may not need it. They were wrong! So he had it done in the off season (which he missed thanks to them). So he picked up a sternum injury after he came back. That is one injury for 2018.

We need to stick with him in my opinion - he is a very talented DH and we could not buy anyone better that is on the market. (Would not have Isaac Luke - almost over the hill and at the end of his career) (Mitch Rein and Levi are just not as good even at this stage of Liddle's career imo.)

I think most people on the Forum have seen the improvement in the team when Liddle plays as opposed to not, that is reason enough to persist. The only talent that he is lacking is "the kick" - I am sure he would be working on this.

If he doesn't play at all to recover from the injury, when he is good to go again, he will be lucky to last 15 minutes. At least in ISP he is chalking up his minutes, helping the ISP side and I have heard what you say about big blokes being in ISP as well. However the big blokes don't tend to put big shots on (like Napa for example) - the game is much slower than ISP and this allows you to protect yourself a lot more than NRL.

All I am asking is for people to get off his back while he recovers - when he comes back after a decent amount of games, if he is not what we need, then put the boot in.
 
Liddle is nowhere near ready for 80 minutes. The suggestion is laughable. Its why its imperative we sign another DH. ET isn't the answer, and Godinet sure as hell isn't either.
 
Liddle could end up being our injured lite Weight , I have a bad feeling this kid won't handle first grade every week , I hope I'm wrong but can't see it
 
Russell, we all want him to be full time great hooker that undoubtedly be will eventually become but we also want to be in the finals this year - there is virtually only one clear choice and he may come over to clock up his 250 games if we are lucky. He has to be pic perfect just as he is at Bunnies as he is chasing another season with whatever club in Sydney. If Seigbold can keep him positive and constructive surely Ivan can do the same. We do NEED ANOTHER HERO.
 
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McIlwrick has to be given a go. It's painful not having any direction from dummy half every week. We are sliding fast into to middle of the pack & with a few more losses we'll be where everyone predicted we would be at the start of the year.

I agree…..the cracks are starting to show aren't they :bash
 
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How far away is Ivan's grand plan of playing Liddle for 80 minutes in 1st grade though?
He is coming off the bench in ISP so from the outside looking in it looks as though he can't even handle a full game of ISP due to his porcelain body. He should be pumping out 80 mins by the time 2024 comes around. We should all be content and patient until then really.

Look F to B - have the utmost respect for your posts - but the 3 above have me frothing. As you say you are looking from the outside in - and then putting crap on a young bloke who is showing stellar fortitude and untold amounts of guts and stoicism to just be playing.

Have you ever had a severe sterum injury? - it takes ages to get over it without playing.

He is playing in ISP because he can keep fitness without the guarantee of being targeted by big palookas until he can get back to NRL to help us out.

Be fair and give him a bit of a go.

Fair enough.
But if Middle is struggling with a severe sternum injury he should be left out of ISP altogether to rest it and let it heal. It's not as if midgets are playing ISP. he is competing against blokes who are as big as 1st graders.
Wasn't questioning his guts, fortitude etc…....more so if he is right to play why are we throwing our season away by persisting with ET, Godinet at hooker when they aren't 1st grade standard hookers? If he is right to play, play him in 1sts. If he's not right to play in 1sts, give him a rest and don't play him at all.
Can just see a Ballin scenario starting to develop, not Liddle's fault, but it is massively frustrating to see our club perhaps once again competing minus perhaps the most important position on the field being filled by a specialist hooker.
How long do we wait?
When is Liddle signed until? If he is still struggling with numerous injuries as he has thus far in his NRL career would you re-sign him or look for another option if you were in charge?

He has not had numerous injuries - he had his shoulders reconstructed - because of medical staff it was put off until the off season because they thought he may not need it. They were wrong! So he had it done in the off season (which he missed thanks to them). So he picked up a sternum injury after he came back. That is one injury for 2018.

We need to stick with him in my opinion - he is a very talented DH and we could not buy anyone better that is on the market. (Would not have Isaac Luke - almost over the hill and at the end of his career) (Mitch Rein and Levi are just not as good even at this stage of Liddle's career imo.)

I think most people on the Forum have seen the improvement in the team when Liddle plays as opposed to not, that is reason enough to persist. The only talent that he is lacking is "the kick" - I am sure he would be working on this.

If he doesn't play at all to recover from the injury, when he is good to go again, he will be lucky to last 15 minutes. At least in ISP he is chalking up his minutes, helping the ISP side and I have heard what you say about big blokes being in ISP as well. However the big blokes don't tend to put big shots on (like Napa for example) - the game is much slower than ISP and this allows you to protect yourself a lot more than NRL.

All I am asking is for people to get off his back while he recovers - when he comes back after a decent amount of games, if he is not what we need, then put the boot in.

He can work his way back into the team if good enough it would be insanity to rely on him for the hooking position again. We need to recruit and 80 minute 9.

I think the club knows this now.
 

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