GREENBERG GONE.....

@JD-Tiger said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144646) said:
@JoshColeman99 had a good point earlier when saying that we don't know what happens behind the scenes, as in what business decisions are made and all the factors which are not made public and so forth.

I do think the NRL is largely influenced by external interests, and really any CEO to last as long as Todd did must have done something right in their eyes. Unfortunately I don't trust the actions of what I perceive the external interests are, but that is possibly more a telling indication of my own anti-authority nature.


I think you have hit the nail on the head. Toddy survived by appeasing the factions but to the detriment of the game. IMO V'Landys was made chairman by the ARLC to clean it and him out.
 
@TheDaBoss said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144648) said:
Gorden Tallis wants an outsider as next NRL CEO. They can’t come from club land
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Gorden Tallis has warned against promoting from within the NRL clubs in searching for the game’s next CEO.

A number of club CEO’s including Broncos boss Paul White have been mentioned as potential replacements for Todd Greenberg, but Tallis believes it would cause too much angst with the other 15 clubs.

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“If you come from the game like Todd there has got to be some sort of skeleton in the closet,” Tallis said on Fox League Live.

“There are certain deals that go down that probably aren’t above board and when you come in and have got to rule with an iron fist, I don’t think you can do it if you come from club land.

“There is jealousy and you get promoted and you jump over people and you do the same job as 15 guys in the competition and all of a sudden you get elevated above them and tell them how much funding they can have, so I think there is a bit of jealousy.”

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Tallis pointed to Peter V’landys’ successful addition to the game as evidence that outsiders can be respected more than those that graduate from club land.

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“I think with Peter V’landys coming in that hasn’t been part of the game and loves the game and understands certain parts of business, he can come in an implement them and move on,” Tallis said.

“Peter has been a fresh breath of air because he’s not in anyone’s pocket in the game and he can make a decision that is best for rugby league.

“If we go to someone in club land they have their own alliances with certain clubs. If he comes from Souths the Roosters won’t like it. If he comes from Brisbane then Sydney people won’t like it.”

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Tallis believes the top job should go to someone that can take control of the financial future of the game and leave the rugby league people to run the clubs.

“Let’s get a leader who is right for the job,” Tallis said.

“There is enough people in the game that just know rugby league. People like Wayne Bennett, Phil Gould and Paul White and you say, you run the clubs the best way you can.

“We are going to give you the funding so the game lasts forever and we can start investing the money instead of spending it.

Gorden Tallis doesn’t want a person from club land to be the new NRL CEO.
Gorden Tallis doesn’t want a person from club land to be the new NRL CEO.
Source: News Corp Australia
“I think there will be someone out there that has had his eye on rugby league and wants the challenge.

“You have got to have a bulletproof vest if you want to run our game because you can be liked and you are going to get asked the hard questions.

“It is a tough job and we are all passionate. There are 16 tribes all fighting over the one prize and that’s without the commentators and the fans and Paul Kent.”

Sounds very wise Gordy. Didn't know he had it in him.
Even a joke at the end about Paul Kent.

I only skimmed it, but agree completely Mr Tallis.
 
My only concern with all the comments coming from Fox employees is they may have some sort of agenda they are pushing

They are laying a very large portion of the blame on Ch 9 comments when the start date for the nRL came out

Greenburg's future had been well and truly decided before then because of his own actions

Last straw came when he tried to short change the 16 clubs around 100 k each
 
@JoshColeman99 said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144620) said:
@Cultured_Bogan said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144610) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144602) said:
Just a note, the new broadcast deal will last to 2025 and will be worth significantly less than the current deal.

It’s almost like channel 9 and Fox wanted Greenberg gone so they wouldn’t have to pay as much.

V’landys promised to get a bigger broadcast deal when he first joined and has now done the opposite bowing down to the media.

Clubs will also apparently be getting just as much money off the NRL even if the salary cap is reduced. It seems financial issues won’t be disappearing with Greenberg gone

PVL has played his hand well given the cards he's been dealt. The NRL is currently in a financial mess, the have no income with the restrictions in place due to CV19 and like every other business still has bills to pay, so he's not in a position to play hardball and walk away from any deals that will at least guarantee income.

The next broadcast deal is not tethered to what is happening now either. Just because he's appeasing broadcasters at the minute when he needs their dollar does not mean that it will be repeated at the negotiation table for the next deal.

The issue is that it’s a five year deal. In five years time they’ll be making less money than they should be because they agreed to a reduce cost because of the virus.

Channel 9 can’t afford to lose the footy it’s one of their biggest money makers, PV definitely had some room to bargain

Plus there’s still two and a half years left on the current deal, no need to make a new deal PLUS he didn’t even talk to any other broadcasters. He did whatever channel 9 asked, and that’s a scary prospect

Have they reduced the overall deal due to what's happening this year?
 
@happy_tiger said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144628) said:
@Cultured_Bogan said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144607) said:
@happy_tiger said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144604) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144602) said:
Just a note, the new broadcast deal will last to 2025 and will be worth significantly less than the current deal.

It’s almost like channel 9 and Fox wanted Greenberg gone so they wouldn’t have to pay as much.

V’landys promised to get a bigger broadcast deal when he first joined and has now done the opposite bowing down to the media.

Clubs will also apparently be getting just as much money off the NRL even if the salary cap is reduced. It seems financial issues won’t be disappearing with Greenberg gone

Can I ask how you know the deal will be worth significantly less ......

Maybe the NRL is looking in a new direction and creating it's own broadcasting

Don't know how they'll do that with no money.

I guess like many businesses you find buyers and investors .....

Yeah fair enough, but then you wind up having to give them a seat at the table.
 
@Cultured_Bogan said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144657) said:
@happy_tiger said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144628) said:
@Cultured_Bogan said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144607) said:
@happy_tiger said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144604) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144602) said:
Just a note, the new broadcast deal will last to 2025 and will be worth significantly less than the current deal.

It’s almost like channel 9 and Fox wanted Greenberg gone so they wouldn’t have to pay as much.

V’landys promised to get a bigger broadcast deal when he first joined and has now done the opposite bowing down to the media.

Clubs will also apparently be getting just as much money off the NRL even if the salary cap is reduced. It seems financial issues won’t be disappearing with Greenberg gone

Can I ask how you know the deal will be worth significantly less ......

Maybe the NRL is looking in a new direction and creating it's own broadcasting

Don't know how they'll do that with no money.

I guess like many businesses you find buyers and investors .....

Yeah fair enough, but then you wind up having to give them a seat at the table.

They have one now ...when we tell them their is a meeting lol
 
@JoshColeman99 said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144624) said:
@Geo said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144608) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144601) said:
@Fade-To-Black said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144526) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144512) said:
@Fade-To-Black said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144510) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144502) said:
@Fade-To-Black said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144498) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144491) said:
@cochise said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144490) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144486) said:
@Fade-To-Black said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144481) said:
@jirskyr said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144475) said:
I agree to some extent with Josh, I am not a Greenberg fan but the reality is that people have been dissatisfied with the CEO's (or equivalent) performance since rugby league existed.

Rugby League has been squandering opportunities and dealing with in-fighting since 1908, and it wasn't going to change on Greenberg's watch.

His main failing I think is that he was easy to dislike. Your average mug punter wouldn't honestly have any clue whether or not Greeberg was a good CEO, they wouldn't even know what the CEO's KPIs were and how he was performing against those. Mug punters only absorb the "at surface" items like "I didn't like the bunker" or "refs are doing a bad job" and then pointing back at the CEO.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a mug punter too, but I won't claim to know if Greenberg was actually any good at his job. All I can say is he lost the popularity contest.

All this other stuff, e.g. the cost of running the NRL - that's just reality of big income. Sure head office could have been more cost-effective in squirreling away funds, but that is true of any management and most of them spend within their means (i.e. if their means grow, so do their spending).

Similarly look at any given club and how much money they spend on non-player salaries since the salary cap was bumped up over the last 2 broadcast deals.

This latest report about missing funds, we are talking very small sums here. Certainly the accounting needs to be 100% accurate, but it's not enough to topple a CEO, and I'd challenge anyone to be certain that no other missing funds ever occurred within rugby league headquarters or any other state branch.

So keep in mind this almost excessive "fan celebration" in regards to Greenberg in 3-4 years when the next bloke has gotten his hands dirty and rugby league hasn't magically been fixed or cured of it's historical ills.

"Small sums of cash" might well sum up his latest stuff-up but where the hell is this $500 000 A DAY ending up? That is an astonishing figure. I'm willing to bet he's been skimming money for a while now, that's why he seems happy enough to walk away quietly before a real investigation into this exhorbitant spending got underway. He got off lightly IMO, very lightly.

Where has this 500k a day number even come from? NRL’d administration cost last year was $60k a day on average. To even get close to 500k a day you have to add game day costs, sponsorship, player welfare etc.

$500k a day is yet another thing being pushed by the media who wanted him out.

That is exactly what they did, they have even included match day hospitality for sponsors which cost $102m but brought in $205m last year.

Exactly mate. Looking at the number $500k a day without knowing the whole context is pointless. It’s a throwaway stat posted by the media to get Todd out.

I’m not even a fan of the bloke just think he’s copping some crap unfairly. If you look at the actual money he’s brought to the game it’s been good. Revenue in almost every area has gone up since he’s been in charge + has introduced the women’s game, international footy has grown and state of origin is growing nationally.

Biggest problem is that he didn’t have money put away for the virus - something a lot of businesses also didn’t do. It was never planned and now they’ve had to take a loan out because of it which isn’t good. Plus the Inglis and Cameron Smith stuff just looks bad as well.

Not having a proper CEO when the business could collapse due to the virus also doesn’t seem like a good idea to me

How has international footy grown?
How has State Of Origin grown nationally?....crowds are down for Origin, especially in NSW.
Not having a go at you mate, people who think Greenberg has been unfairly targetted aren't really stating much of a case for their arguments. Most people are of the opinion that the game has nosedived rapidly and considerably in many areas during Greenberg's reign.

More international games with more viewers than ever, there’s been more interest in international footy since a long time.

State of origin taken to other states with sold out crowds growing the game nationally plus women’s state of origin a big success.

I’m not even a fan of the bloke but the amount of people calling him the worst ever based off channel 9 articles (who wanted him gone) is laughable

I'm not basing my opinion of him being the worst RL CEO ever off of channel 9 articles. I'm basing my opinion of his tenure on his demonstrated inability to do his job properly. Nearly every decision he has made has been bad IMO. Getting paid over a million dollars a year to made continued poor decisions, blatant favouritism, demonstrated double-standards etc is laughable. He should never have got the job, his time at Canterbury wasn't exactly stellar and without dubious decisions involving some very important issues.

What decision of his didn’t you like? Besides the obvious ones like Inglis and Smith, which business decisions didn’t you like? That is what a CEO does after all.

He got appointed CEO because at the time he was considered the best club CEO. His issue at dogs was covering up the Ben Barba issues

You just answered your own question. Do you think what he did at the Bulldogs re: Barba's actions meant he should've been immediately scrapped as a potential candidate for the NRL CEO position? Yep. So do I.
That should of been done deal at that point right there.

You still don’t have an actual answer of what business decisions of his you didn’t like. Besides stuff that has nothing to do with actually making money you don’t know what he did

It's been answered a few times..but here goes again Committee's after Committee's to over see elements of the game that could be done by 1 person ..Refs, Bunker, Judiciary, Rules, Whole of Game, amount of air in ball etc etc..seeing a front office of 470 staff when one of biggest sporting organisations in the World EPL has about 170..

Holding off on paying into the players superannuation for 3 years leaving the NRL a debt that there was no need for as if you believe the NRL was making money in those years..

Crystal Balls and diamond rings for Mr and Mrs Cammy... testimonial games for a bloke who is still playing 2 years later..yet others nothing..

Personal References for some not others..

Fair but not equal in his opinion in relation to the No fault Stand down rule that was rushed through in a reactionary fashion rather than pro-active..

I hope you understand rule changes aren’t solely made by him. There are too many staff in front office I agree but they are making money. If there was no bunker people would complain about refs getting it wrong regardless.

No fault stand down was needed because players can’t stay out of trouble that’s their fault.

The other stuff is a bad look at face value but end of the day he made money and expanded the game. He wasn’t amazing but to say worst CEO ever not knowing what business he actually did is laughable.

V’landys seems like he’s happy to do whatever fox and channel 9 say which is a scary prospect for the game

What is laughable is you telling us that the "photo" you posted proves what a great job Greenberg did?.
Expanded the game? You mean taking a few matches interstate? No use playing matches in Perth if you don't have plans to include them in the competition. Also, his "growth" of the game in taking the 9's tournament to Perth was an unmitigated disaster: about 10k spectators turned up over the whole weekend. That "growth" would have cost the NRL a truckload of cash....wasted cash.
Did Greenberg singlehandedly introduce NRLW into the league? As was stated earlier 3 or so years ago there was a nationwide push for top-line female comps in the 3 major footy codes- NRL, AFL and A-League, Greenberg and co hopped on that bandwagon (it wasn't his brainchild) and at this point in time the jury is still out on whether it has been a success considering there is only a small handfull of teams in the NRLW competition.
If you think he did a decent job, no worries that's your opinion. My opinion, along with plenty of others, was that he did a terrible job whilst getting a huge paycheck for his incompetence.
The list of things he oversaw that were damaging to our game is a pretty long one: maybe we can get a running thread going where people can list the myriad of instances that Greenberg embarrassingly failed in his role? What you might call "a bad look for the game" might have been seen as something more than that by others. Perception is everything and many people feared Greenberg would be an incompetent CEO right from day 1.....his Bulldogs form was sketchy to say the least.
 
Improving revenue is useless you're not improving profit while you're at it.

As Geo has said, if the revenue improvement is worth lauding, where's the future fund and shortpaid player super fund money?
 
@Cultured_Bogan said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144606) said:
@Fade-To-Black said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144525) said:
@innsaneink said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144516) said:
@Fade-To-Black said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144496) said:
@innsaneink said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144489) said:
People (ftb) Should be careful throwing out malicious/legal accusations

Legal accusations?

Don't play dumb... Accusations of fraud & theft

I've seen forilums shut down for less before... This isn't my go but when I see stupid posts like yours the damage can be irepairable

?Opinions?

Still accusatory FTB, and can land the forum in hot water, hence why they were deleted.

No worries.
 
Todd just said from his own mouth his greatest achievements he is proud of under his tenure was Women's RL..Safety as far as concussion protocols for players..which is great granted ..then added Macklemore playing at the GF to show how inclusive RL is..

Nothing about growing the game etc etc...

Well Done Todd..
 
@Geo said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144667) said:
Todd just said from his own mouth his greatest achievements he is proud of under his tenure was Women's RL..Safety as far as concussion protocols for players..which is great granted ..then added Macklemore playing at the GF to show how inclusive RL is..

Nothing about growing the game etc etc...

Well Done Todd..

The safety angle is the one only change he should take credit for everything else is window dressing.I am not suprised he didnt mention the top heavy administration or the missing money that the game now has.
 
@Geo said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144667) said:
Todd just said from his own mouth his greatest achievements he is proud of under his tenure was Women's RL..Safety as far as concussion protocols for players..which is great granted ..then added Macklemore playing at the GF to show how inclusive RL is..

Nothing about growing the game etc etc...

Well Done Todd..

lol Macklemore? Well that about sums it up.

Realistically though, the most important thing that any NRL Rugby League CEO could do is to find ways to even the playing field, to do better in catching salary cap cheats, and be much more harsh in dealing out penalties. Anything less and imo they have failed. Maybe these things are too hard to fix, but that excuse doesn't hold with me.

Todd did make some headway in this matter, maybe, he did hand out some fines and penalties sure, but the inequality is still there, and in a massive way, hence I have no time for him. It would take a miracle for the next person to do any better, but that's what I'm hoping for.
 
@JD-Tiger said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144672) said:
@Geo said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144667) said:
Todd just said from his own mouth his greatest achievements he is proud of under his tenure was Women's RL..Safety as far as concussion protocols for players..which is great granted ..then added Macklemore playing at the GF to show how inclusive RL is..

Nothing about growing the game etc etc...

Well Done Todd..

lol Macklemore? Well that about sums it up.

Realistically though, the most important thing that any NRL Rugby League CEO could do is to find ways to even the playing field, to do better in catching salary cap cheats, and be much more harsh in dealing out penalties. Anything less and imo they have failed. Maybe these things are too hard to fix, but that excuse doesn't hold with me.

Todd did make some headway in this matter, maybe, he did hand out some fines and penalties sure, but the inequality is still there, and in a massive way, hence I have no time for him. It would take a miracle for the next person to do any better, but that's what I'm hoping for.

I think no matter what CEO is in footy fans will always think their club gets targeted and refs hate them, that’s the nature of being a footy fan ?

If even storm, Rabbitohs and broncos fans think the NRL hates them then you know everyone does lol
 
@JoshColeman99 said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144677) said:
@JD-Tiger said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144672) said:
@Geo said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144667) said:
Todd just said from his own mouth his greatest achievements he is proud of under his tenure was Women's RL..Safety as far as concussion protocols for players..which is great granted ..then added Macklemore playing at the GF to show how inclusive RL is..

Nothing about growing the game etc etc...

Well Done Todd..

lol Macklemore? Well that about sums it up.

Realistically though, the most important thing that any NRL Rugby League CEO could do is to find ways to even the playing field, to do better in catching salary cap cheats, and be much more harsh in dealing out penalties. Anything less and imo they have failed. Maybe these things are too hard to fix, but that excuse doesn't hold with me.

Todd did make some headway in this matter, maybe, he did hand out some fines and penalties sure, but the inequality is still there, and in a massive way, hence I have no time for him. It would take a miracle for the next person to do any better, but that's what I'm hoping for.

I think no matter what CEO is in footy fans will always think their club gets targeted and refs hate them, that’s the nature of being a footy fan ?

If even storm, Rabbitohs and broncos fans think the NRL hates them then you know everyone does lol

Yeah but those fans are completely delusional.
 
Not gonna lie, I'm gonna miss everyone hating on ole Todd on this forum 😢
 
@WeStandAsOne said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144682) said:
Not gonna lie, I'm gonna miss everyone hating on ole Todd on this forum 😢

There’ll be a new whipping boy soon enough.
 
Tbh I don't think the next ceo has to be non club affiliated. Daboss or happy etc can be the next ceo as long as they look after the wts interests.
 
@kiwitiger said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144696) said:
Tbh I don't think the next ceo has to be non club affiliated. Daboss or happy etc can be the next ceo as long as they look after the wts interests.

Non club affiliated unless they’re with us then go right ahead, Pascoe should apply 😂
 
@GNR4LIFE said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144684) said:
@WeStandAsOne said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144682) said:
Not gonna lie, I'm gonna miss everyone hating on ole Todd on this forum 😢

There’ll be a new whipping boy soon enough.

Or, heaven forbid, the new bloke might actually be competent and do the job properly?
That'd be ok.
 
@Fade-To-Black said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144701) said:
@GNR4LIFE said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144684) said:
@WeStandAsOne said in [GREENBERG GONE\.\.\.\.\.](/post/1144682) said:
Not gonna lie, I'm gonna miss everyone hating on ole Todd on this forum 😢

There’ll be a new whipping boy soon enough.

Or, heaven forbid, the new bloke might actually be competent and do the job properly?
That'd be ok.

Only one team can win the comp so there will always be 15 other supporter bases complaining it's not fair.
 
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