HBG, Independent Directors Sacked

[cochise]

Cmon, one of the fellow admins put it up on the page you also administer and you know Barnier. You've been think in the action of taking HBG group on but have no idea who's behind this group?

I have 100% had nothing to do with that document, haven't even signed it myself.

 

[gallagher]

I have 100% had nothing to do with that document, haven't even signed it myself.

And have no idea who is involved in the background? Didn't ask Barnier or your fellow admin?

 

[cochise]

And have no idea who is involved in the background? Didn't ask Barnier or your fellow admin?

I haven't spoken to Barnier since pre Christmas. That document hasn't been involved in no planning meetings I've had. I haven't even read it.

All I know is Kelly chose to take it down.

Believe me or don't but I have always been honest in relation to my actions regarding HBG.

 

[gallagher]

I haven't spoken to Barnier since pre Christmas. That document hasn't been involved in no planning meetings I've had. I haven't even read it.

All I know is Kelly chose to take it down.

Believe me or don't but I have always been honest in relation to my actions regarding HBG.

Ok. Well you know both of them. Do you mind askng them on the forums behalf ? A bit of clarity for the forum wouldn't hurt would it?

 

[innsaneink]

There were two posts about the same thing... one is still there.
The one i saw the other day is gone.

 

[cdinoz007]

A Wests Ashfield board member.

I'll take $100 for "Things That Never Happend", thanks Alex

 

[cdinoz007]

I haven't spoken to Barnier since pre Christmas. That document hasn't been involved in no planning meetings I've had. I haven't even read it.

All I know is Kelly chose to take it down.

Believe me or don't but I have always been honest in relation to my actions regarding HBG.

I cant see either on account of Kelly blocking me from her little group.

A little childish to block someone for a difference of opinion. Ah well, just proves the character of someone when they dont wish to hear an opposing view.

 

[cdinoz007]

Seriously they can't be hat stupid to think in any form that the NRL license
will be rebranded as a/the Magpies,

Lets set this straight again shall we?

Denis is well known to be vocal in his opinion that he would LOVE to see the Magpies back in the NRL. He's stated this many many times.

Denis is also smart enough to know that will NEVER happen unless hell freezes over and Jesus gets reborn.

Many people would LOVE to see the Magpies and the Balmain Tigers back in the NRL. Some people would love to see the Jets back in the NRL.

The old timers first and formost are either died in the wool Magpies, or died in the wool Balmain Tigers. Now we are Wests Tigers, they back the Wests Tigers.

Doesnt stop them having that feeling and doesnt stop them having a dream, no matter how far fetched that is.

 

[cdinoz007]

1 of many reason's hbg have sullied their names and shat on all they purvey

"They have shat on all they purvey" - yet they bailed out Balmain Leagues Club when they were in default to the NRL. The went guarantor to Balmain Leagues when they needed to take out a loan to try to stave off bankruptcy, and they then paid off all the debts accrued by Balmain when the club finally became financially insolvent.

Why would a leagues club pay off all those debts if they cared not for the Wests Tigers.

Easiest thing the board of HBG could have said when Balmain defaulted is "oh, its not my problem. If Balmain cannot pay their way, then we arent bailing them out either. Lets focus on a Magpies team in a lower comp, but lets give away the WTs franchise. But we cannot afford to manage Wests Tigers on our own"

 

[Merlot]

I cant see either on account of Kelly blocking me from her little group.

A little childish to block someone for a difference of opinion. Ah well, just proves the character of someone when they dont wish to hear an opposing view.

and who's character are you being all passive aggressive about

 

[cdinoz007]

and who's character are you being all passive aggressive about

The name of the person is right there in my post

 

[Merlot]

The name of the person is right there in my post

hbg have not done a damb thing to progress/improve this club .
For your enjoyment ,the best they have done is plenty of free publicity, negative or positive is good the P R guys spin

 

[cochise]

Lets set this straight again shall we?

Denis is well known to be vocal in his opinion that he would LOVE to see the Magpies back in the NRL. He's stated this many many times.

Denis is also smart enough to know that will NEVER happen unless hell freezes over and Jesus gets reborn.

Many people would LOVE to see the Magpies and the Balmain Tigers back in the NRL. Some people would love to see the Jets back in the NRL.

The old timers first and formost are either died in the wool Magpies, or died in the wool Balmain Tigers. Now we are Wests Tigers, they back the Wests Tigers.

Doesnt stop them having that feeling and doesnt stop them having a dream, no matter how far fetched that is.

To be fair I don't think anyone either that view should be involved in running the Wests Tigers.

 

[Lestronge]

I was driving to the airport for a flight for work.

Its not that I am close to the workings of the HBG today, its well known and well broadcast here on other posts that my wife worked for Wests Ashfield for more than 15 years, ultimately as ended up as the marketing manager.

I should hate the organisation in the way she was treated and why she ultimately decided to leave the organisation.

Its very well known that under Simon Cook, and the later years too with Tim McAleer there was a significant culture of bullying. I know personally of 4 other managers who left the club due to that bullying culture.

It's also well known that I nearly came to blows with Simon on more than one occasion.

That culture whilst maybe not "supported" by TA and RW, was largely ignored because of the success of the leagues club. When the person DOING the bullying is asked to run the investigation INTO the bullying, you know what the end result is going to be.

That is the culture that was. Sadly after the passing of Mike Bailey, the factions in the board were apparent. When TA and RW were up for election, they both under Simons guidance allowed to use my wife's time to "campaign" for them, where she would call up intra clubs and voting blocks and help convince them to vote for TA and RW.

She did that becuase it was under the guidance of the CEO.

That faction has GONE. Their supporters on the board have largely GONE. Yes, some of the debenture holders may still hold those views. BUT those debenture holders wont ever see a board appointment.

The problem is, its very very obvious from reading who is on the "Magnificent 7" list, that these names have been suggested by TA and RW.

Thats where my connection lies to Wests Ashfield.

I hope that clears things up

Mate , seriously that screams year 11 drama class to me . And whilst I’ll take your word for it, that it’s factual , we are talking about 55-70 year old men and women here .(I’m not diminishing your wife’s experience . Just the toxicity and absurdity of the whole situation).
The fact that that is a cultural thing , that has only been removed because a certain other faction of debenture holders have usurped the apparent “bad” ones, is indicative of how much of a rot has set in . And the fact you’re defending it , means you’re not impartial either .
It screams power struggle to all of us . You say bullying , ok , that could easily be reframed as extreme dislike .
This is what people are opposing . Your story , just reinforces how the whole thing needs to be torpedoed (sold off) . The fact 1 bloke can pass away and , you’re talking about really 200 000 people put through 14 years of torture because of it … do you not see the issue?

 

[Lestronge]

from what ? blowing up them , the nrl license - i see no reason or merit .
it can't be just a bunch of elderly pining for yesterday
enlighten us

The distraction is if people are talking about wests tigers v wests magpies name changes , then they’re not talking about power hungry geriatrics who have had years of ineptitude and history of running the wests tigers into the ground .
So when PVL comes out and says “the name won’t ever change be changed from wests tigers “ , it’s a win that was never really ever in threat of being lost . So people walk away , pat themselves on the back and say ,”job well done” . Meanwhile the real issue with the club … the people making decisions go unchecked … that’s the distraction .
Like whenever a certain president from another country has something that might jeopardise him (like releasing the Epstein files) all of sudden USA want to take a hold of Greenland … smoke and mirrors …

 

[gallagher]

The distraction is if people are talking about wests tigers v wests magpies name changes , then they’re not talking about power hungry geriatrics who have had years of ineptitude and history of running the wests tigers into the ground .
So when PVL comes out and says “the name won’t ever change be changed from wests tigers “ , it’s a win that was never really ever in threat of being lost . So people walk away , pat themselves on the back and say ,”job well done” . Meanwhile the real issue with the club … the people making decisions go unchecked … that’s the distraction .
Like whenever a certain president from another country has something that might jeopardise him (like releasing the Epstein files) all of sudden USA want to take a hold of Greenland … smoke and mirrors …

The only trouble with that is that it was the group behind the petition a couple of years ago that come up with that stuff. Not HBG.

 

[cochise]

The only trouble with that is that it was the group behind the petition a couple of years ago that come up with that stuff. Not HBG.

No the issue has never been about the return of the Magpies or the return of Balmain. There are people who want this but it is not the issue. It was not what the petition was about and it was not even discussed in review.

I have stated many times that those wanting the return of the Magpies/ Balmain are a symptom of dysfunction at the ownership level.

If you want a successful Wests Tigers then you need stable and competent leadership.

Anyone can see that HBG is incapable of providing that.

The reason I know so little about the document you were talking about last night is ultimately I don't care how HBG is run as long as the Wests Tigers are given the freedom to be run without being held back by the dysfunction at Wests Tigers.

Give Wests Tigers its independence, then you can keep your incestuous debenture group and put anyone you want on the HBG board.

I just want a successful footy team.

 

[Lestronge]

The only trouble with that is that it was the group behind the petition a couple of years ago that come up with that stuff. Not HBG.

From
Memory they went to the HBG which was basically Gilbert , Andrecchio and Wayde , and asked for a review . Sighting the obvious “there’s a governance issue “ but not being able to drill down the , who, what, when , where’s. Barnier and. Crawford get the review job (IMO it was jobs for the boys , HBG were probably expecting a magpies old boy to go light on them, he obviously didn’t ), and basically the whole governance needs to be shaken up as a consequence and outcome of the review . The petition was just to have someone look under the bonnet , not to do the repairs themselves . As far as I’m aware @cochise ?

 

[Fraze23]

Lets set this straight again shall we?

Denis is well known to be vocal in his opinion that he would LOVE to see the Magpies back in the NRL. He's stated this many many times.

Denis is also smart enough to know that will NEVER happen unless hell freezes over and Jesus gets reborn.

Many people would LOVE to see the Magpies and the Balmain Tigers back in the NRL. Some people would love to see the Jets back in the NRL.

The old timers first and formost are either died in the wool Magpies, or died in the wool Balmain Tigers. Now we are Wests Tigers, they back the Wests Tigers.

Doesnt stop them having that feeling and doesnt stop them having a dream, no matter how far fetched that is.

He wasn't smart enough to put his instagram on private though was he?

 

[Lestronge]

No the issue has never been about the return of the Magpies or the return of Balmain. There are people who want this but it is not the issue. It was not what the petition was about and it was not even discussed in review.

I have stated many times that those wanting the return of the Magpies/ Balmain are a symptom of dysfunction at the ownership level.

If you want a successful Wests Tigers then you need stable and competent leadership.

Anyone can see that HBG is incapable of providing that.

The reason I know so little about the document you were talking about last night is ultimately I don't care how HBG is run as long as the Wests Tigers are given the freedom to be run without being held back by the dysfunction at Wests Tigers.

Give Wests Tigers its independence, then you can keep your incestuous debenture group and put anyone you want on the HBG board.

I just want a successful footy team.

The issue is mate , most of us who have real issues with HBG have a Balmain background from when we were kids . (I was 16 when the merger happened).
So no matter what , those first 16 years will always throw shade on the last 25 years , because a lot of the old boys magpies guys , were 30 plus when the merger happened . So they’re now 55 ish , or 65ish. So for them they’ve still spent more of thier life as magpies guys then tigers guys. So it’s going to be almost impossible to convince them it isn’t a Balmain v magpies thing , as the can’t cognitively accept , that not everyone has the same bias as they do.
I’ve seen heaps of guys on here nearly to a man 55 and over refuse to not trust that the 40-45 year olds who want change have zero care for pre-2000. Because like I said , we were all in year 10-12 when this all went down