HBG, Independent Directors Sacked

[cochise]

The issue is mate , most of us who have real issues with HBG have a Balmain background from when we were kids . (I was 16 when the merger happened).
So no matter what , those first 16 years will always throw shade on the last 25 years , because a lot of the old boys magpies guys , were 30 plus when the merger happened . So they’re now 55 ish , or 65ish. So for them they’ve still spent more of thier life as magpies guys then tigers guys. So it’s going to be almost impossible to convince them it isn’t a Balmain v magpies thing , as the can’t cognitively accept , that not everyone has the same bias as they do.
I’ve seen heaps of guys on here nearly to a man 55 and over refuse to not trust that the 40-45 year olds who want change have zero care for pre-2000. Because like I said , we were all in year 10-12 when this all went down

This is 100% spot on.

 

[gallagher]

No the issue has never been about the return of the Magpies or the return of Balmain. There are people who want this but it is not the issue. It was not what the petition was about and it was not even discussed in review.

I have stated many times that those wanting the return of the Magpies/ Balmain are a symptom of dysfunction at the ownership level.

If you want a successful Wests Tigers then you need stable and competent leadership.

Anyone can see that HBG is incapable of providing that.

The reason I know so little about the document you were talking about last night is ultimately I don't care how HBG is run as long as the Wests Tigers are given the freedom to be run without being held back by the dysfunction at Wests Tigers.

Give Wests Tigers its independence, then you can keep your incestuous debenture group and put anyone you want on the HBG board.

I just want a successful footy team.

You had Wayde on your podcast saying they wanted to bring back the magpies. You used this threat to garner support for your cause.
Now your saying that HBG don't want to bring back the magpies, they just want us to think they do, to distract us?

So much BS being thrown around. I'll leave this thread to you guys now.

 

[cochise]

You had Wayde on your podcast saying they wanted to bring back the magpies. You used this threat to garner support for your cause.
Now your saying that HBG don't want to bring back the magpies, they just want us to think they do, to distract us?

So much BS being thrown around. I'll leave this thread to you guys now.

No i didn't. So you are throwing BS

 

[diedpretty]

You can be a cynic without purposefully leaving out information. To leave out information is dishonest.

You can wax on all you like but the bottom line is the guy was in charge when all that crap went down. So he supposedly didn't know about it or he ignored what was going on. Not the type of character you would readily appoint to a board.

 

[KevB]

The distraction is if people are talking about wests tigers v wests magpies name changes , then they’re not talking about power hungry geriatrics who have had years of ineptitude and history of running the wests tigers into the ground .
So when PVL comes out and says “the name won’t ever change be changed from wests tigers “ , it’s a win that was never really ever in threat of being lost . So people walk away , pat themselves on the back and say ,”job well done” . Meanwhile the real issue with the club … the people making decisions go unchecked … that’s the distraction .
Like whenever a certain president from another country has something that might jeopardise him (like releasing the Epstein files) all of sudden USA want to take a hold of Greenland … smoke and mirrors …

At what age do you become a geriatric? Does it refer to anyone over the age of 55 mentioned in your previous post about HBG directors?

You do realise that Barry O'Farrell, Peter V'Landys and Gary Barnier are over 55.

You seem to think age matters, so how old are you?

 

[wstigers11]

Imagine if the people here cared as much about the football club running successfully as they do about being HBG hype boys. HBG confirmed their true colours when they sacked the board and forced the CEO out for no reason. No one has faith in them anymore no matter how you all try to spin it

 

[mtd#2]

They are the 90% share holders. They are entitled to appoint and remove directors as they see fit. But if they are going to do that, they need to have a valid reason.

I am assuming with PVL stepping in, he wasnt convinced they had justification

90% owners, 100% incompetent.

The sacking of the independent directors was another balls up decision that resulted in our ceo resigning.

Proof is in the pudding, they have no idea what they are doing... no matter what % they own

 

[KevB]

I haven't spoken to Barnier since pre Christmas. That document hasn't been involved in no planning meetings I've had. I haven't even read it.

All I know is Kelly chose to take it down.

Believe me or don't but I have always been honest in relation to my actions regarding HBG.

Cochise, that could be disputed, given your insistence that Barnier has been cleared of any wrongdoing before his resignation from Opal Aged Care in 2017. An AI summary of this states:

"Based on reports surrounding his departure from Opal Aged Care in 2017 and subsequent government contracting, no formal independent or regulatory body officially "cleared" Gary Barnier of wrongdoing in a published report.

Rather, the following context surrounds the claims regarding his conduct:

• Internal Investigation: Following 7.30 report investigations into neglect (including a "maggots in the mouth" incident) and bullying allegations in 2017, the Opal board commissioned an independent review into clinical leadership and complaints management.
• No Findings Made: In 2020, during a Senate Estimates hearing, Department of Health officials stated that "no findings were made against Mr Barnier" in investigations related to those incidents.
• Resignation Timing: Senator Kristina Keneally noted that Mr. Barnier left his role as Managing Director of Opal before that investigation was finalised.
• Statement by Spokesperson: A spokesperson for Mr. Barnier stated to News Corp that "exhaustive investigations have found no wrongdoing by Mr Barnier".

Despite the allegations regarding his time at Opal, the Federal Government defended hiring him as a consultant in 2020, with Department of Health official Michael Lye citing his "real world experience" and stating that due diligence was followed. "

The link below may help you understand why Barnier should never be allowed be involved with Wests Tigers or HBG.

https://www.thesenior.com.au/story/...0000-in-grants-from-the-department-of-health/

 

[Lestronge]

At what age do you become a geriatric? Does it refer to anyone over the age of 55 mentioned in your previous post about HBG directors?

You do realise that Barry O'Farrell, Peter V'Landys and Gary Barnier are over 55.

You seem to think age matters, so how old are you?

70 would be what I would classify as geriatric . The reason I said 55 was 25 years of wests tigers and 30 years of prior team . Ie. you’ve spent longer going for the prior team than wests tigers , so it’s hard to do the mental gymnastics to transition into the new reality of which team people support. It’s why the “bloods” are all over the news when the swans make the grand final , same for Fitzroy with the lions , to use another sport .
For those of us in our 40s or younger the math is more 16 prior 25 years wests tigers, so we’ve spent the majority of our life as wests tigers fans . Not to mention we weren’t adults when the merger happened so therefore we had no steadfast allegiances , as our brains weren’t fully developed … you know youth . So now at 45 and below , our allegiance is to wests tigers through and through. There’s no conflict .
The fact you find this concept hard to understand more proves my point . Some thing about old dogs and new tricks … I say all these to try and make people be introspective. Not to judge . To understand how people can formulate thier ideas . I myself when I’m emotionally charged can get the blinders on and forget . But really , I’d say this is the fundamental issue re. Wests tigers vs magpies. A lot of the magpies guys were 10-15 plus years older , so they had pre formulated loyalties , opinions bias etc. it’s really hard to break that. The idea for most to change allegiances of clubs is blasphemy. Hence all the angst and ageism. Because it really is an age thing. It’s just biology . The same can be said for the Balmain guys as well . But they have no power and say , so they’re irrelevant to what’s going on really .

 

[Telltails]

You had Wayde on your podcast saying they wanted to bring back the magpies. You used this threat to garner support for your cause.
Now your saying that HBG don't want to bring back the magpies, they just want us to think they do, to distract us?

So much BS being thrown around. I'll leave this thread to you guys now.

This is the whole problem Gal with HBG to date. You can choose who to believe and who not to believe but THEY consistently turn on each other to maintain power at the expense of WTs moving forward. You can't possible believe any of them have managed the football side well

 

[gallagher]

This is the whole problem Gal with HBG to date. You can choose who to believe and who not to believe but THEY consistently turn on each other to maintain power at the expense of WTs moving forward. You can't possible believe any of them have managed the football side well

No. I don't back their decisions at all. But go at them about that, making up crap to get people to join your cause is no better behaviour.

 

[Telltails]

No. I don't back their decisions at all. But go at them about that, making up crap to get people to join your cause is no better behaviour.

Again they are the ones who turn on each other to cause the division Gal. None of us would be talking about this if they hadn't blown up the board at the end of the season - even the biggest critics would have had no backing given off the field it was a reasonable year.
Then at their own hand they crap all over it.
The names may change but the ineptness continues.

 

[gallagher]

Again they are the ones who turn on each other to cause the division Gal. None of us would be talking about this if they hadn't blown up the board at the end of the season - even the biggest critics would have had no backing given off the field it was a reasonable year.
Then at their own hand they crap all over it.
The names may change but the ineptness continues.

Yes. Agreed.

 

[hank37w]

At what age do you become a geriatric? Does it refer to anyone over the age of 55 mentioned in your previous post about HBG directors?

You do realise that Barry O'Farrell, Peter V'Landys and Gary Barnier are over 55.

You seem to think age matters, so how old are you?

Well that definitely qualifies me as a geriatric, so can I kick in a 100 bucks and get a debenture. 🤣

 

[cktiger]

Thats exaclty what I am saying. Did you ever meet them? Both very skilled "political" movers inside of the club. They had sufficient influence that other board members seemed to back their agenda's.

And that is exactly what I am trying to suggest.

Two out of seven does not create a quorum.

 

[Vicious]

I would have thought it being a new year with no board issues to report over the past 4 or so weeks and recent information that suggests the HBG decision making will be strictly monitored by PVL would mean we could stop focusing on the board and start focusing on the rugby league for a while ?
Are some people more fascinated with the board than they are of the rugby league team ?

 

[Go_You_Good_Things]

"They have shat on all they purvey" - yet they bailed out Balmain Leagues Club when they were in default to the NRL. The went guarantor to Balmain Leagues when they needed to take out a loan to try to stave off bankruptcy, and they then paid off all the debts accrued by Balmain when the club finally became financially insolvent.

Why would a leagues club pay off all those debts if they cared not for the Wests Tigers.

Easiest thing the board of HBG could have said when Balmain defaulted is "oh, its not my problem. If Balmain cannot pay their way, then we arent bailing them out either. Lets focus on a Magpies team in a lower comp, but lets give away the WTs franchise. But we cannot afford to manage Wests Tigers on our own"

They don't like the words to that song mate. Especially the first paragraph. They're putting their fingers in their ears and going " La la la la la "
A truth well spoken.

 

[Go_You_Good_Things]

The issue is mate , most of us who have real issues with HBG have a Balmain background from when we were kids . (I was 16 when the merger happened).
So no matter what , those first 16 years will always throw shade on the last 25 years , because a lot of the old boys magpies guys , were 30 plus when the merger happened . So they’re now 55 ish , or 65ish. So for them they’ve still spent more of thier life as magpies guys then tigers guys. So it’s going to be almost impossible to convince them it isn’t a Balmain v magpies thing , as the can’t cognitively accept , that not everyone has the same bias as they do.
I’ve seen heaps of guys on here nearly to a man 55 and over refuse to not trust that the 40-45 year olds who want change have zero care for pre-2000. Because like I said , we were all in year 10-12 when this all went down

So, are you saying that there are no 60+ Balmain supporters here ? That the forum's older members are all Western Suburbs folks ? You're kidding, right ?
You speak of refusal to accept and bias . . . surely you see the refusal to accept, and the painful bias of the Balmain side in all of this HBG stuff ?
I think I've over reacted to what maybe is a sarcasm laden post . .. but anyway.

 

[Go_You_Good_Things]

This is 100% spot on.

No, sorry . . . it's exactly 50% spot on. To unlock the other 50%, just swap the words Magpies/Western suburbs to Balmain, and vice versa.

 

[mtd#2]

I would have thought it being a new year with no board issues to report over the past 4 or so weeks and recent information that suggests the HBG decision making will be strictly monitored by PVL would mean we could stop focusing on the board and start focusing on the rugby league for a while ?
Are some people more fascinated with the board than they are of the rugby league team

I would have thought it being a new year and 6 week since you were caught out by formumers and AI, you'd give up coming here with your pro HBG propaganda.

Most of us can separate the on field footy and the backroom politics. So get used to it, mate.