HBG, Independent Directors Sacked

[king_sirro]

My point being - that the achievements (and failures) of footy clubs we can all list, but differentiating that from the achievements of the owners of those footy clubs is just guess work (to all of us on the outside of these organisations).

For example - I listed the Centre of Excellence as a HBG achievement, but I’m sure some will say it was down to Pascoe. On the other hand, some will blame HBG for certain players signed and lost (ie strength of squad at any given time), whereas that clearly lies at the feet of the football club.

Is the great premiership drought at the Eels, a failure of the owners, Parramatta Leagues Club Ltd, or is it more directly attributable to decisions made by the Parramatta RLFC?

I was simply saying while most would struggle to list achievements directly attributed to HBG at our club, most would also struggle to list achievements directly attributable to the owners of other NRL clubs.

There you go, thats a better reply

 

[The Chad]

My point being - that the achievements (and failures) of footy clubs we can all list, but differentiating that from the achievements of the owners of those footy clubs is just guess work (to all of us on the outside of these organisations).

For example - I listed the Centre of Excellence as a HBG achievement, but I’m sure some will say it was down to Pascoe. On the other hand, some will blame HBG for certain players signed and lost (ie strength of squad at any given time), whereas that clearly lies at the feet of the football club.

Is the great premiership drought at the Eels, a failure of the owners, Parramatta Leagues Club Ltd, or is it more directly attributable to decisions made by the Parramatta RLFC?

I was simply saying while most would struggle to list achievements directly attributed to HBG at our club, most would also struggle to list achievements directly attributable to the owners of other NRL clubs.

Pretty sure that HBG didn't directly hire most of the coaches in their time in control. They had a CEO & board at Wests Tigers in place. Pretty sure the CEO, coach & board were responsible for player signings too.

But they are held responsible for firing them. And I guess they could be blamed for Jason Taylor because we have to blame someone for that.

None of these hirings had any effect on team performance, clearly. Only their sackings.

Which HBG did.

I'm starting to understand.

All the good stuff was regardless of HBG.

Catch up Man.

 

[mtd#2]

Pretty sure that HBG didn't directly hire most of the coaches in their time in control. They had a CEO & board at Wests Tigers in place. Pretty sure the CEO, coach & board were responsible for player signings too.

But they are held responsible for firing them. And I guess they could be blamed for Jason Taylor because we have to blame someone for that.

None of these hirings had any effect on team performance, clearly. Only their sackings.

Which HBG did.

I'm starting to understand.

All the good stuff was regardless of HBG.

Catch up Man.

Who are the CEO, Football club and board accountable to? Who is responsible if they remain in their roles whilst underperforming?

 

[The Chad]

Who are the CEO, Football club and board accountable to? Who is responsible if they remain in their roles whilst underperforming?

You either want a financial group that is hands off (let the CEO & club board make the decisions) or you want to blame those same financial group members & for them to be responsible.

Did HBG hire the CEO's & Board Members? I guess so- I don't know exactly how that plays out. But I guess they should receive praise for Richo in that case.

Now, the biggest gripe about HBG is that they sack people all the time. What are you suggesting? They don't sack people enough? There are so many conflicting ideas on what HBG 'should' be doing, it's hard to know what to blame them for.

And are you suggesting they didn't sack Lee H soon enough? Someone used Lee H as a character reference against HBG earlier. Was he not responsible for the club's woes? Or is he forgiven now that he's on the side of the mob?

What about Pascoe? He claimed club profit & membership records in his time. He's a liar. The latest CEO to do that is praised. Do we know that Pascoe was telling porkies? Or is he less popular than some & therefore to blame?

I guess the simple answer is blame HBG. I've not seen one of them make a tackle in over 20 years.

Except for Jason Taylor. Someone needs to be responsible for that.

 

[cochise]

My point being - that the achievements (and failures) of footy clubs we can all list, but differentiating that from the achievements of the owners of those footy clubs is just guess work (to all of us on the outside of these organisations).

For example - I listed the Centre of Excellence as a HBG achievement, but I’m sure some will say it was down to Pascoe. On the other hand, some will blame HBG for certain players signed and lost (ie strength of squad at any given time), whereas that clearly lies at the feet of the football club.

Is the great premiership drought at the Eels, a failure of the owners, Parramatta Leagues Club Ltd, or is it more directly attributable to decisions made by the Parramatta RLFC?

I was simply saying while most would struggle to list achievements directly attributed to HBG at our club, most would also struggle to list achievements directly attributable to the owners of other NRL clubs.

What I can attribute to them is the infighting and dysfunctional behaviour that has made our club a laughing stock time and again.

Tge serious governance issues that the review found were attributed to HBG as well.

 

[The Chad]

What I can attribute to them is the infighting and dysfunctional behaviour that has made our club a laughing stock time and again.

Tge serious governance issues that the review found were attributed to HBG as well.

Hey Mate,

When HBG implemented the recommendations, did that not show a willingness to change?

Could any of the recent developments be held separate from what has come before?

 

[cochise]

Pretty sure that HBG didn't directly hire most of the coaches in their time in control. They had a CEO & board at Wests Tigers in place. Pretty sure the CEO, coach & board were responsible for player signings too.

But they are held responsible for firing them. And I guess they could be blamed for Jason Taylor because we have to blame someone for that.

None of these hirings had any effect on team performance, clearly. Only their sackings.

Which HBG did.

I'm starting to understand.

All the good stuff was regardless of HBG.

Catch up Man.

HBG had a majority on the board, they were in effect the same entity.

 

[The Chad]

HBG had a majority on the board, they were in effect the same entity.

So anything good from their time can be attributed, in part, to them?

 

[cochise]

Hey Mate,

When HBG implemented the recommendations, did that not show a willingness to change?

Could any of the recent developments be held separate from what has come before?

No, as we had mount pressure to get them to implement the recommendations. They then refused to implement the final 2 recommendations.

A couple of months later they ripped out the key recommendations by removing the independent board members.

 

[cochise]

So anything good from their time can be attributed, in part, to them?

I have never argued otherwise, just that the bad outweighs the good.

 

[Lestronge]

Pretty sure that HBG didn't directly hire most of the coaches in their time in control. They had a CEO & board at Wests Tigers in place. Pretty sure the CEO, coach & board were responsible for player signings too.

But they are held responsible for firing them. And I guess they could be blamed for Jason Taylor because we have to blame someone for that.

None of these hirings had any effect on team performance, clearly. Only their sackings.

Which HBG did.

I'm starting to understand.

All the good stuff was regardless of HBG.

Catch up Man.

Well they did … they directly hired potter and Taylor , when better and alternate options were available . Mainly because they were wests old boys.
I mean really , it was the same for Benji as well , only he was a wests tigers old boy.
They overruled the Jason Taylor hiring ie. I’m pretty sure from memory griffin was the preferred hire .
I believe Potter was board choice over Elliot from memory .

 

[The Chad]

No, as we had mount pressure to get them to implement the recommendations. They then refused to implement the final 2 recommendations.

A couple of months later they ripped out the key recommendations by removing the independent board members.

But they did make some changes?

Sorry mate- not meaning to be overly argumentative. Just back from a 4 day sales conference at Warwick Farm & the demeanour is less solid than normal. 😀

 

[The Chad]

I have never argued otherwise, just that the bad outweighs the good.

Sorry mate- see previous response.

I've always liked your take.

 

[The Chad]

Well they did … they directly hired potter and Taylor , when better and alternate options were available . Mainly because they were wests old boys.
I mean really , it was the same for Benji as well , only he was a wests tigers old boy.
They overruled the Jason Taylor hiring ie. I’m pretty sure from memory griffin was the preferred hire .
I believe Potter was board choice over Elliot from memory .

HBG? Or the board? Or the CEO? Who hired Potter & Taylor?

I mean- sorry- HBG did. Did they even bother with CEO's in those days?

 

[cochise]

But they did make some changes?

Sorry mate- not meaning to be overly argumentative. Just back from a 4 day sales conference at Warwick Farm & the demeanour is less solid than normal. 😀

Yes, their hand was forced, they then started working to reverse the implementation of the recommendations.

 

[The Chad]

Yes, their hand was forced, they then started working to reverse the implementation of the recommendations.

They HAD to implement the changes?

Or they chose to follow the recommendations?

What happens if they disregarded the recommendations?

 

[Lestronge]

From memory grant mayer and I could be wrong went to the board with Elliot as the preferred hire , and the board overruled with potter . I’d love to know if that was ammunition for Robbie’s infamous “can’t coach” comment.
And then history repeated with Griffin and Taylor , although apparently it was much of a muchness to be fair , and ultimately I’m not sure we would be too much further down the line if griffin was coach either .
But they definitely overruled the clubs recommendation on both occasions.

 

[The Chad]

From memory grant mayer and I could be wrong went to the board with Elliot as the preferred hire , and the board overruled with potter . I’d love to know if that was ammunition for Robbie’s infamous “can’t coach” comment.
And then history repeated with Griffin and Taylor , although apparently it was much of a muchness to be fair , and ultimately I’m not sure we would be too much further down the line if griffin was coach either .
But they definitely overruled the clubs recommendation on both occasions.

Sweet. I don't remember any of that- but not for any reason than I probably wasn't paying attention.

Griffin has a role. He should be in charge of junior development. He was out of his comfort zone as a HC.

I'll put my hand up- I thought Taylor in time might have had moderate success. He was trying to change an embedded culture. He just didn't have the buy-in.

 

[cochise]

They HAD to implement the changes?

Or they chose to follow the recommendations?

What happens if they disregarded the recommendations?

Supporter pressure brought about the review.

HBG took over 12 months to implement the key recommendation, the appointment of independent directors which only happened after further action from supporters.

HBG then started to act to undermine the full implementation of the recommendations including by removing Romero.

HBG refused to implement the final 2 recommendations.

Less than 12 months after their appointment the independent directors were removed.

HBG had to be pressured into the review and implementation of the recommendations ob multiple occasions and have spent the last 2 years undermining the process.

 

[Lestronge]

Sweet. I don't remember any of that- but not for any reason than I probably wasn't paying attention.

Griffin has a role. He should be in charge of junior development. He was out of his comfort zone as a HC.

I'll put my hand up- I thought Taylor in time might have had moderate success. He was trying to change an embedded culture. He just didn't have the buy-in.

Didn’t have the players respect . To be honest neither does Madge or did he . Players are afraid of him … until they aren’t. He will be sacked this year or next . Seems like a great guy too … but much like a missus constant yelling, eventually just means guys find that frequency and noise cancel it .
It’s why I think Benji will be the wests tigers Ricky Stuart .
Won’t be successful every year , but will have more ups than downs . We just need to ride the downs until the ups happen . I’m confident this will be the year