High-scoring wins didn't help us: Taylor

[happy_tiger]

Arguably the best game of footy I ever saw didn't have a point scored in the 2nd half

Game 3 1987 State of Origin 10-8 Qld , last points scored were a penalty late in the 1st half by Qld

 

[Pokies]

The fact is its about winning games.

Tigers were 2-0

Now they are 2-2

I dont care if we win 1-0 or 40-34.

We need wins.

And Taylor needs wins to stay in a job.

Fair dinkum guys give it a break. This is Eddies original post. He quite clearly states its not about the score but about the result - win/loss.

He even points out that hes just as happy with a 1-0 win as a 40-34 win. Can we move forward with the discussion?

 

[Tigermama]

Childish stuff from Ink and Happy

Questioning his age and Mental ability.

And you talk about making things personal against Taylor…

Oh the hypocrisy.

Why is it childish?
He comes across as a 16yo… And there are many teens on here.
It would explain a few things.
It's a simple question... Nothing childish about it
What is childish is his posts suggesting some think JT is perfect and should be signed for life if we keep coming 15th.
Your agenda is so transparent

That's a pretty weak excuse Ink.
You and Happy both stepped over the line and made it personal.
Even if he is 16 does that makes you so superior and he has no right to an opinion?
You are basically telling all the young fans on here that their input is worthless.
Even worse, what if he actually did have a mental disability - how would you feel then?
If you know the guy well enough personally it's fine to have a shot at him - if not then best to just defend your opinion without attacking the poster.

Actually Eddy sounds more mature, then some posters on here.( Including myself )
Belittling someone( Intentionally or not) because you don't agree with them is not on.
Think before you post guys.

 

[hobbo]

Childish stuff from Ink and Happy

Questioning his age and Mental ability.

And you talk about making things personal against Taylor…

Oh the hypocrisy.

Why is it childish?
He comes across as a 16yo… And there are many teens on here.
It would explain a few things.
It's a simple question... Nothing childish about it
What is childish is his posts suggesting some think JT is perfect and should be signed for life if we keep coming 15th.
Your agenda is so transparent

Too many teens on here :roll

You're a grumpy old man :laughing:

 

[innsaneink]

It's pretty simple actually. You need to score more points than you let in. People appear to be arguing against this and they need to go and work out what scoring more points means - it's a win. When you score less points it's a loss.

I know that this is groundbreaking news and it's going to be a surprise to some people but it's the truth and you can actually go and check it out over the course of rugby league history or in fact most sporting contests throughout history. Statistically you win basically 100% of games when you score more points than the opposition. It's amazing.

This argument has been pulled a number of times, but gives no credit to the ability of the opposition in defence. If you can defend and have a target of not allowing more than 16 points, then it is much easier to score 18 and win the game than it is to have to score 40 because you are conceding 38 every game.

Look at this
Common sense
Harvey knows what he's talkin bout

I understand that common sense.

My common sense point is this…

All I was ever suggesting was I would rather win a game 40-30 then lose a game 10-0

Just answer me that question?

What would you rather this week against Cronulla

A 40-30 win or a 10-0 loss?

Haha has… Only two options that suit your agenda?
How simplistic.
Of course I'd prefer the win.... I'd also prefer we could keep teams to much less than 30 on a regular basis.
Conceding an avg 6 tries per game won't get you far in a season

 

[happy_tiger]

Childish stuff from Ink and Happy

Questioning his age and Mental ability.

And you talk about making things personal against Taylor…

Oh the hypocrisy.

Why is it childish?
He comes across as a 16yo… And there are many teens on here.
It would explain a few things.
It's a simple question... Nothing childish about it
What is childish is his posts suggesting some think JT is perfect and should be signed for life if we keep coming 15th.
Your agenda is so transparent

Too many teens on here :roll

You're a grumpy old man :laughing:

Steve's around our age lads

 

[innsaneink]

Childish stuff from Ink and Happy

Questioning his age and Mental ability.

And you talk about making things personal against Taylor…

Oh the hypocrisy.

Why is it childish?
He comes across as a 16yo… And there are many teens on here.
It would explain a few things.
It's a simple question... Nothing childish about it
What is childish is his posts suggesting some think JT is perfect and should be signed for life if we keep coming 15th.
Your agenda is so transparent

That's a pretty weak excuse Ink.
You and Happy both stepped over the line and made it personal.
Even if he is 16 does that makes you so superior and he has no right to an opinion?
You are basically telling all the young fans on here that their input is worthless.
Even worse, what if he actually did have a mental disability - how would you feel then?
If you know the guy well enough personally it's fine to have a shot at him - if not then best to just defend your opinion without attacking the poster.

Lol… Nice try
Superior? No right to opinion? Young fans opinions are worthless? Mental issues? Attacking him?

All YOUR assumptions.... YOUR words.
I asked him his age... That is all
Get a grip

 

[happy_tiger]

Childish stuff from Ink and Happy

Questioning his age and Mental ability.

And you talk about making things personal against Taylor…

Oh the hypocrisy.

Why is it childish?
He comes across as a 16yo… And there are many teens on here.
It would explain a few things.
It's a simple question... Nothing childish about it
What is childish is his posts suggesting some think JT is perfect and should be signed for life if we keep coming 15th.
Your agenda is so transparent

That's a pretty weak excuse Ink.
You and Happy both stepped over the line and made it personal.
Even if he is 16 does that makes you so superior and he has no right to an opinion?
You are basically telling all the young fans on here that their input is worthless.
Even worse, what if he actually did have a mental disability - how would you feel then?
If you know the guy well enough personally it's fine to have a shot at him - if not then best to just defend your opinion without attacking the poster.

Actually Eddy sounds more mature, then some posters on here.( Including myself )
Belittling someone( Intentionally or not) because you don't agree with them is not on.
Think before you post guys.

TM Steve's taken a few pot shots over the years as well

We are both old enough and ugly enough to look after ourselves , and we both enjoy the banter

 

[stevetiger]

I don't even see any JT knockers. That would imply that we are somehow out to get him. That is definitely not the case. All I see is stupid stuff being said and some people calling it out.

On the other hand there are some posters who think JT is perfect, any problems are always someone else's problem and if we come 15th for the next 5 season JT should be resigned for life.

Just wondering how old you are steve

I can help you with this but I need you to answer one question Ink ??

Mentally or actually ??

I love how you guys resort to ad-hominen arguments. It's pretty sad. I'm 42 and I am 100% confident that I am significantly smarter than both of you. Not that that is saying anything much.

Anyway let's get back to stating how happy we are with coming 15th and scoring 2 points a game.

 

[Geo]

I'm wondering if 2 high scoring wins did us any favours…

 

[stevetiger]

I'm wondering if 2 high scoring wins did us any favours…

Of course it did. This is the thing that kills me. We've had 2 great wins. We did it playing great footy. Against the Titans we were ordinary and against Parra we defended well but our halves were terrible.

We need to rectify that this week. We need to ensure we offer plenty when we have the ball as well as defend like demons. On top of that we have to be disciplined and not give away stupid penalties or take poor options.

 

[happy_tiger]

Childish stuff from Ink and Happy

Questioning his age and Mental ability.

And you talk about making things personal against Taylor…

Oh the hypocrisy.

Why is it childish?
He comes across as a 16yo… And there are many teens on here.
It would explain a few things.
It's a simple question... Nothing childish about it
What is childish is his posts suggesting some think JT is perfect and should be signed for life if we keep coming 15th.
Your agenda is so transparent

That's a pretty weak excuse Ink.
You and Happy both stepped over the line and made it personal.
Even if he is 16 does that makes you so superior and he has no right to an opinion?
You are basically telling all the young fans on here that their input is worthless.
Even worse, what if he actually did have a mental disability - how would you feel then?
If you know the guy well enough personally it's fine to have a shot at him - if not then best to just defend your opinion without attacking the poster.

1 / I was joking

2/ When did I mention that Steve has a disability , he knows diddly about rugby league , but I could say that about 80 % of Forum members

3/ Steve has taken a few pot shots in his time ad I could be wrong but he seems to enjoys the banter , same way I joke and banter with you about Moltzen

 

[foreveratiger]

The bottom line is JT will be judged on results at the end of the year, it's a result driven business…..you win? that = bums on seats, lose = loosing money at Leichhardt and Campbelltown. I read ages ago that anything less than 15,000 we actually lose money at these grounds ( stand to be corrected).

At the end of the year when the board sit down with JT to discuss his Coaching for the year.....they will only care about how many wins the side have had as that has a snowball effect on Sponsors and member's etc....
JT's argument that our defence has improved? Would mean diddly squat to them.
It is way to early in the Season to say if our defence or attack has improved, we let in how many points vs the Warriors and let them back in with a sniff same as Manly.
Vs the Titans same can be said with our defence but there was other factors some will argue, Vs the Eels....It was a poor game from both sides and yeah our defence looked great but by gee Parra dropped alot of ball in the 2nd and 3rd tackle within our 20 metre line.

We need to find the balance cause playing to erratic and not playing the percentages will only put pressure on ourselves when plays don't come off, patience and build pressure is the name of the game and knowing when to chance your arm.

Let's also be realistic about this squad cause IMO many of our players are just not up to 1st grade standard and we obviously just have to bide our time due to our Salary Cap issues.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

If JT has only this yr to get results, why did the board give him 3 yrs? I don't buy it's top 8 or bye bye. Maybe it is if we finish 15th again, but no way if we finish 9th-12th imo.

 

[happy_tiger]

I don't even see any JT knockers. That would imply that we are somehow out to get him. That is definitely not the case. All I see is stupid stuff being said and some people calling it out.

On the other hand there are some posters who think JT is perfect, any problems are always someone else's problem and if we come 15th for the next 5 season JT should be resigned for life.

Just wondering how old you are steve

I can help you with this but I need you to answer one question Ink ??

Mentally or actually ??

I love how you guys resort to ad-hominen arguments. It's pretty sad. I'm 42 and I am 100% confident that I am significantly smarter than both of you. Not that that is saying anything much.

Anyway let's get back to stating how happy we are with coming 15th and scoring 2 points a game.

You may well be smarter than both of us Steve , but when every person I judge as having a great footy mind says defence comes first and wins premierships , you might need to sit down and think you could be wrong on this occasion

 

[Harvey]

The bottom line is JT will be judged on results at the end of the year, it's a result driven business…..you win? that = bums on seats, lose = loosing money at Leichhardt and Campbelltown. I read ages ago that anything less than 15,000 we actually lose money at these grounds ( stand to be corrected).

At the end of the year when the board sit down with JT to discuss his Coaching for the year.....they will only care about how many wins the side have had as that has a snowball effect on Sponsors and member's etc....
JT's argument that our defence has improved? Would mean diddly squat to them.
It is way to early in the Season to say if our defence or attack has improved, we let in how many points vs the Warriors and let them back in with a sniff same as Manly.
Vs the Titans same can be said with our defence but there was other factors some will argue, Vs the Eels....It was a poor game from both sides and yeah our defence looked great but by gee Parra dropped alot of ball in the 2nd and 3rd tackle within our 20 metre line.

We need to find the balance cause playing to erratic and not playing the percentages will only put pressure on ourselves when plays don't come off, patience and build pressure is the name of the game and knowing when to chance your arm.

Let's also be realistic about this squad cause IMO many of our players are just not up to 1st grade standard and we obviously just have to bide our time due to our Salary Cap issues.

I would hope that they would take into account the fact that they have left him stranded in terms of recruitment through having him inherit major salary cup problems.

 

[stevetiger]

Just wondering how old you are steve

I can help you with this but I need you to answer one question Ink ??

Mentally or actually ??

I love how you guys resort to ad-hominen arguments. It's pretty sad. I'm 42 and I am 100% confident that I am significantly smarter than both of you. Not that that is saying anything much.

Anyway let's get back to stating how happy we are with coming 15th and scoring 2 points a game.

You may well be smarter than both of us Steve , but when every person I judge as having a great footy mind says defence comes first and wins premierships , you might need to sit down and think you could be wrong on this occasion

It keeps coming back to this freaken dumb straw-man argument. It has nothing to do with not playing defence. We've been over this a million times but we'll do it another time (and probably another millions times later).

Defence is important.

So is attack.

If you score more points via your attack then you let in via your defence you win the game.

 

[stevetiger]

The bottom line is JT will be judged on results at the end of the year, it's a result driven business…..you win? that = bums on seats, lose = loosing money at Leichhardt and Campbelltown. I read ages ago that anything less than 15,000 we actually lose money at these grounds ( stand to be corrected).

At the end of the year when the board sit down with JT to discuss his Coaching for the year.....they will only care about how many wins the side have had as that has a snowball effect on Sponsors and member's etc....
JT's argument that our defence has improved? Would mean diddly squat to them.
It is way to early in the Season to say if our defence or attack has improved, we let in how many points vs the Warriors and let them back in with a sniff same as Manly.
Vs the Titans same can be said with our defence but there was other factors some will argue, Vs the Eels....It was a poor game from both sides and yeah our defence looked great but by gee Parra dropped alot of ball in the 2nd and 3rd tackle within our 20 metre line.

We need to find the balance cause playing to erratic and not playing the percentages will only put pressure on ourselves when plays don't come off, patience and build pressure is the name of the game and knowing when to chance your arm.

Let's also be realistic about this squad cause IMO many of our players are just not up to 1st grade standard and we obviously just have to bide our time due to our Salary Cap issues.

I would hope that they would take into account the fact that they have left him stranded in terms of recruitment through having him inherit major salary cup problems.

We have a decent team. Stop giving the guy excuses after excuses.

Also it's 4 games into this season. It's far from over.

I for one hope that have a great season this year. There is no reason that we can't.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

No ones arguing that Steve, what they are arguing is how simplistic you view it.

 

[Harvey]

I can help you with this but I need you to answer one question Ink ??

Mentally or actually ??

I love how you guys resort to ad-hominen arguments. It's pretty sad. I'm 42 and I am 100% confident that I am significantly smarter than both of you. Not that that is saying anything much.

Anyway let's get back to stating how happy we are with coming 15th and scoring 2 points a game.

You may well be smarter than both of us Steve , but when every person I judge as having a great footy mind says defence comes first and wins premierships , you might need to sit down and think you could be wrong on this occasion

It keeps coming back to this freaken dumb straw-man argument. It has nothing to do with not playing defence. We've been over this a million times but we'll do it another time (and probably another millions times later).

Defence is important.

So is attack.

If you score more points via your attack then you let in via your defence you win the game.

If you concede less points than you score you win.

If your oponent concedes more points than you do you win.

If you concede more points than your opponent you lose