Holy Cross withdraws from GIO Cup

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Traditional Sydney rugby league school replaced by team from Melbourne's outer suburbs
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May 1, 2015- 10:00PM
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Roy Masters
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The high school that unearthed a lode of rugby league talent in Benny Elias, Paul Sironen and more recently, Mitchell Moses, Luke Brooks and Curtis Sironen has withdrawn from NSW's top schoolboy competition, only to be replaced by a team from the outer suburbs of Melbourne.
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Holy Cross Ryde has exited the GIO Cup, an elite 12-school NSW competition, owing to its expected failure to be competitive in 2015, with Hallam Senior College in Melbourne, the school that produced NRL players Mahe Fonua and Kenny Bromwich, taking its place.
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Hallam, which played in the second-tier Schoolboy Trophy, a 260-school competition, has been promoted following success in the play-offs the past four years, including a televised semi-final last year. They will now meet Matraville Sports High school in mid-May, in a round-robin of traditional juggernauts, including Westfields Sports High and Patrician Brothers, Blacktown.
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Hallam will play Blacktown in a televised game in Melbourne on the eve of the second State of Origin match at the MCG.
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This is a story with subplots: falling enrolments and the difficulty of inner-city schools competing with rosters of bigger players of Polynesian heritage; the rise of a rugby league factory in an AFL city; the implications of a coming rookie draft for the investment NRL clubs make in these elite sports schools and finally, a balance to the propaganda that the Giants are the only professional football team making inroads in what the AFL imperiously calls "the developing states".
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Holy Cross, runners-up seven times and winners in Elias's 1981 year, do not believe they can field a team to challenge in a strong pool.
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Balmain Junior League president John Critchley says, "Local funding for scholarships to Holy Cross has been dramatically reduced with the financial problems Balmain Tigers face."
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Ryde's coach, Tim White, says the school will still compete in local inter-school competitions, playing 17 games. "We've got a weakened year 12 group but will have a good team next year."
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A traditional middle-class school, White says Holy Cross has no front-rowers bigger than 85 kilograms. "Last year, we had props weighing 115kg, 120kg. One of them was recruited by Wests Tigers and he is bigger than anyone in the entire NRL club. Had we competed in the GIO Cup this year, we would have lined up against players at Blacktown weighing 110kg to 115kg. We'll put the GIO Cup on ice but we'll be back next year."
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However, as Martin Meredith, the NRL's participation manager, says, "If Hallam are competitive, then Holy Cross might have to fight their way back."
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Jamie Fardell, coach of Hallam, admits his team faces a formidable challenge but doesn't expect to disappear after a year.
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"We are in a difficult pool but we are very excited about the future," he said. "I've got some good 16 year old kids coming though."
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And Hallam has its own monster. "One of our boys is pushing 115kg. He's a rugby union boy in the Rebels program."
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Meredith describes the impact of a proposed NRL rookie draft on NSW's specialist sports high schools as "a very vexed question".
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The draft will force a rethink by NRL clubs of their investment in schools and local district junior league if under-18 talent is pooled, with lower-ranked NRL clubs taking the early picks of the best players.
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The Panthers have close links with Patrician Brothers Blacktown; Wests Tigers with St Gregory's, Campbelltown and Holy Cross; the Sharks with Endeavour and the Eels with sports high schools at The Hills and Westfields.
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One means of ensuring continuing investment in these schools, particularly those in Sydney's west, together with local district funding, is to quarantine one or two locals per NRL club from a rookie draft.
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Matt Schubert, the NRL's school programs co-ordinator, says, "We're not sure about the impact of a draft. We're meeting soon with (the NRL's head of game development) Shane Richardson to discuss it. We're meeting with the school principals as well. The NRL clubs really support these schools."
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Asked how rugby league at the elite level was competing with the millions of dollars poured in by the AFL in the vast territory of the GWS Giants, Schubert said, "Our school programs are definitely on the up in western Sydney."
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The reality is that, in terms of schoolboy games played on an adult-sized field with senior rules, as opposed to kids playing modified rules, there are probably more participants in rugby league in outer Melbourne than with AFL in western Sydney.
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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/traditional-sydney-rugby-league-school-replaced-by-team-from-melbournes-outer-suburbs-20150501-1mxsmk.html
 
@cktiger said:
The NRL don't have a clue.

about what?

they dont have much to do with junior footy which is something the current admin is trying to change but centralising junior development rather than leaving it up to the clubs.
 
I agree ck - they don't have a clue.

I agree pHyR3 they don't have much to do with junior footy. But should they?

IMO - Yes! Why is it left to the clubs to use their money, their volunteers, their chook raffles etc. Better to sit back and reap the rewards later on for nothing.

For mine they can shove their draft system where the sun don't shine. If the NRL club assists the schools in the area then the players from those schools should not have to go to an NRL club who puts no money into local schools. Should young kids have to leave home and their families to go and live in Melbourne for example because the storm picked them from the draft. Young blokes can get into enough trouble living at home without having to move miles away and be without a support network.

I think the NRL should generally be a bigger support to the junior league and RL school teams than they have in the past. Basically they do nothing. It is all the clubs.
However as I said earlier they like to take credit and the profits later on.

BUT! "hang on we'll administer - Oh! you want money - it's a bit tight at the moment, we need to make sure we have enough thousands to pay for Messrs Smith, Greenburg and Richardson so they can come up with more great stupid ideas".
 
The WT's have to take some responsibility in this

If you want a rugby league nursery you need to help fund it

Simple as that
 
@happy tiger said:
The WT's have to take some responsibility in this

If you want a rugby league nursery you need to help fund it

Simple as that

Exactly!!!

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St Gregory's, Holy Cross and Keebra are all a big part of the WTs nursery. They need looking after.

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They are being looked after…As the Coach said It's more to do with the current playing roster (lack of Props)

Had we competed in the GIO Cup this year, we would have lined up against players at Blacktown weighing 110kg to 115kg. We'll put the GIO Cup on ice but we'll be back next year."

Don't let Roy's scaremongering influence you...
 
@Geo. said:
They are being looked after…As the Coach said It's more to do with the current playing roster (lack of Props)

Had we competed in the GIO Cup this year, we would have lined up against players at Blacktown weighing 110kg to 115kg. We'll put the GIO Cup on ice but we'll be back next year."

Don't let Roy's scaremongering influence you...

But is that through bad recruitment / management or injuries Geo ??

Size doesn't mean everything at that level

Have a look at Ipswich Jets and PNG prop Rod Griffin 178cm and 98kgs and he is an absolute machine
 
I'm saying it is WT responsibility. However NRL help across the Juniors and schools would be good.

I'm also saying if WT chip in for these young blokes we don't need a draft to give our developed talent to someone else.

If you can't develop talent yourself as a club - maybe it is time you were relocated - listening Rorters and Souffs.
 
Crikey Roy must be running low on stories… You'd think they were folding from the article headline and tone rather than making a sensible decision to move down a grade. They have the numbers but with 80kg props it becomes a safety issue. The article makes it pretty clear they intend to be back in there next year. It's the nature of the beast with school teams...
 
Geo is correct…schools like this are looked after by the NRL clubs...they get superior training equipment, visits from specialised people...the best coaches, the most funding....and these schools can cherry pick the best players from their local district comp, and others...offering scholarships etc as well as boots money gear ...shhhh.

As well I dunno how a draft would work when we are talking about school boys still at home more often that not...Id hate to be going to school at Penrith from cronulla...probably billeted but thats a massive price to pay for a kid that just wants to play footy and try and realise a dream
 
@happy tiger said:
The WT's have to take some responsibility in this

If you want a rugby league nursery you need to help fund it

Simple as that

Agree, if Balmain can no longer fund assistance, then WT should.
 
@formerguest said:
@happy tiger said:
The WT's have to take some responsibility in this

If you want a rugby league nursery you need to help fund it

Simple as that

Agree, if Balmain can no longer fund assistance, then WT should.

So how does that work , Balmain own 50 percent of the Tigers and are broke owing heaps of money . I am over the rubbish that is dished up about how the WT should keep paying for an entity that is broke! Until such time as Balmain are no longer associated with the WT then the Wests group will step in and carry the load, it is a bit rich to even think the WT should carry Balmains burden.
 
@Snake said:
@formerguest said:
@happy tiger said:
The WT's have to take some responsibility in this

If you want a rugby league nursery you need to help fund it

Simple as that

Agree, if Balmain can no longer fund assistance, then WT should.

So how does that work , Balmain own 50 percent of the Tigers and are broke owing heaps of money . I am over the rubbish that is dished up about how the WT should keep paying for an entity that is broke! Until such time as Balmain are no longer associated with the WT then the Wests group will step in and carry the load, it is a bit rich to even think the WT should carry Balmains burden.

We (WT's ) benefit from the players that they produce

Of course if we want to benefit from that we have to help in some way

Or we could just hope that by some miracle people who are brilliant players just show up hoping for a trial :unamused:
 
Holy Cross have a small talent pool to choose from and yet have produced a comparatively HUGE number of players for the Wests Tigers in recent years. WT should temporarily pay the bills for them if Balmain can't. Wests Tigers get more benefit than anyone else. Next year Balmain's current Matts squad will probably all be at HC so should be fine.
 
@Balmain Boy said:
Holy Cross have a small talent pool to choose from and yet have produced a comparatively HUGE number of players for the Wests Tigers in recent years. WT should temporarily pay the bills for them if Balmain can't. Wests Tigers get more benefit than anyone else. Next year Balmain's current Matts squad will probably all be at HC so should be fine.

Yeah they'll all be at the school….they all won't have started there though

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@happy tiger said:
The WT's have to take some responsibility in this

If you want a rugby league nursery you need to help fund it

Simple as that

Another consequence of the financial demise of Balmain…

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@wtfl1981 said:
@happy tiger said:
The WT's have to take some responsibility in this

If you want a rugby league nursery you need to help fund it

Simple as that

Another consequence of the financial demise of Balmain…

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But it should of been a financial responsibility of the WT's anyway

Apart from SG Ball and Harold Matthews what benefit do Balmain get from having Holy Cross on side ??
 

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