Home Ground situation needs to change

[Cultured_Bogan]

Depends what the financial incentives are. If we continue to not show up at BW and there is marked reduction in attendance from our games at ANZ, the owners may request we go back to ANZ to get more bums on seats. We get a flat fee to play there IIRC up to a certain gate attendance and if there are less punters attending games the owners will want us to play where we’ll turn up.

It would also have to be considered how much cheaper it would be to run BW than ANZ as well though. There is much less staff required to run an event at BW when you compare to ANZ.

Four home games last year at ANZ: 93,473 attended.

Three home games thus far at BW: 36,310, even if we get 30K out there, it's still 27K less.

ANZ will not run all areas during club games either. They will streamline operations in line with expected attendance.

 

[cochise]

ANZ is a neutral venue for the fact that more than one team plays out of there…it is where finals and Grand Finals are held…Our record there since using it is also not to bad …

I understand that but it is just such a bad venue and I want to be a venue that feels like an event, even with 20000 people ANZ fails at that!

 

[cochise]

ANZ will not run all areas during club games either. They will streamline operations in line with expected attendance.

So will BW. Things like security costs would have to be much larger at ANZ though regardless. Though I did notice more security at BW after the idiot Souths fans made it onto the field lol.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

ANZ is a neutral venue for the fact that more than one team plays out of there…it is where finals and Grand Finals are held…Our record there since using it is also not to bad …

I understand that but it is just such a bad venue and I want to be a venue that feels like an event, even with 20000 people ANZ fails at that!

At the end of the day, the discussions will take place between the WT and the owners of the venues and deals will be eked out in accordance with attendance and the like.

 

[cochise]

@Geo Ultimately it is up to the fans to make it feel like a home ground, it seems like no one wants to give it that chance though. I will admit I've never felt like ANZ has felt like our home ground either.

 

[cochise]

@Cultured_Bogan I agree and as I have previously stated I will accept their decision and attend games regardless, I would just much prefer they choose BW! lol

 

[Snake]

We all do realise that the Weststigers are not a joint venture anymore . Maybe when this is actually realised by the general supporter base and the general football community things might actual be seen for what they are . You see Leichhardt and Campbelltown are still attachments of the old joint venture days .. these days are gone , it annoys me no end when I still here in the media that we are a joint venture when in reality the club is not .
Imo this point has to be addressed as until the club actually sets this straight to all parties the petty squabbles will continue.
Our club and team are the Weststigers and owned by one entity the West’s group this is the truth of the matter and it is about time a lot of supporters see and understand how things actual are !

 

[TrueTiger]

We all do realise that the Weststigers are not a joint venture anymore . Maybe when this is actually realised by the general supporter base and the general football community things might actual be seen for what they are . You see Leichhardt and Campbelltown are still attachments of the old joint venture days .. these days are gone , it annoys me no end when I still here in the media that we are a joint venture when in reality the club is not .
Imo this point has to be addressed as until the club actually sets this straight to all parties the petty squabbles will continue.
Our club and team are the Weststigers and owned by one entity the West’s group this is the truth of the matter and it is about time a lot of supporters see and understand how things actual are !

Snake,most of the younger fans only know us as the WTs,the older folk such as myself have been raised in an era that is completely unique to these younger people,family days out at LO or family days out at Lidcombe and CSS ( in the earlier years known as Orana park)..It is very hard to fully adapt for some people that we are still a JV even though we are NOW a single standalone club..
Put it this way snake I still have my Balmain sponsored by Saxonvale wines jersey signed by Wayne Pearce,no doubt our Magpie brothers and sisters have their own personally signed Western Suburb magpies jumper..It was an era that I was proud to be involved in..times change and it is easy for some to adapt than others,somethings take more time than others,however we must keep the WTs club as it is now,one club with 2 fantastic histories for the younger ones to support and have an era of their own to be proud of..

 

[BZN]

Very well said @Tiger-Tragic re your suggestion of a move to Liverpool.
For Our Wests Tigers to be the great club we all know it can be we have to ditch old ideas and start again with new fresh ideas. I would even be prepared to abandon my idea of a move to Campbelltown in view of your excellent thought, cheers :relaxed:

 

[cochise]

Very well said @Tiger-Tragic re your suggestion of a move to Liverpool.
For Our Wests Tigers to be the great club we all know it can be we have to ditch old ideas and start again with new fresh ideas. I would even be prepared to abandon my idea of a move to Campbelltown in view of your excellent thought, cheers :relaxed:

We missed that opportunity though, we should have pushed for Liverpool to be the location of WSS but we did not do that because no one at our club was thinking far enough ahead!

 

[BZN]

@cochise "having a 'good-natured' dislike for the opposition sounds a heck of a lot better than 'animosity' between teams and fans :relaxed:

 

[cochise]

@MAGPIES1963 There has to be a degree of animosity between teams otherwise sporting events wouldn't work. Look at tonight, SOO is built on animosity!

 

[BZN]

Hahaha, you're funny @happy_tiger :relaxed: Oh..sorry, you are joking aren't you. If Our Wests Tigers fans ever develop a ratbag EPL mentality, that would stuff everything, as we would be something like the Bullydogs fans were a few years ago at ANZ :skull_and_crossbones:

 

[hammertime]

I think we can all agree that the number of home games at the local grounds should be reduced to 1 each.

So to me, the debate is around "do we base ourselves at Homebush or Parramatta?"

Maybe it's my work kicking in here, but we had a problem like this recently and we tackled it by taking emotion and subjectivity out of it and based it on some statistics (essentially a sample set).

Lets first start by picking 1 ground. WSS. Start collecting data (Which we are kind of doing now). But, maybe take it further. To get a good sample, we need to look baselining the # games & opposition to make it consistent. So, the first step would be to make the decision now for 1 ground at WSS (with 3 LO, CSS & Tam) and then keep that consistency for a few years.

Then we spend a year or two based out of the new ANZ. Collect comparable data there and weight it across both for things like playing day & weather (you could get a # for average fluctuation across the league based on these)

Then put the figures up. Average crowd, growth in membership, financials etc. Even things like performance could be a factor if you can remove subjectivity and balance for the roster. You could survey members and the playing group. Area growth could be included too, projected with future growth by the correlation to the relative increase in crowd/memberships.

Hopefully then, one of the two stands out above the other. It's an easy decision then and removes future debate.

 

[BZN]

Thanks for your reply @cochise re your "who is going to pay for this beautiful new stadium in Campbelltown?" I don't know @cochise. I'm not the $$$ man. I'm simply putting out ideas which I believe to be a positive step forward and way out of the mess Our Wests Tigers are in.
We need to give up old ideas and look forward to a bright new Identity. Cheers mate :relaxed: :v:

 

[cochise]

@MAGPIES1963 Problem is with out $$ your ideas are meaningless, the state government has already said it will not be upgrading stadiums that it does not own. A BW style stadium is around $300m.

 

[Telltails]

@cochise - how do you know they didnt pursue it ? No stadiums are built without government funding and if they don't financially back proposals they are dead in the water.
The club cops a lot of crap about poor decisions but no club has the financial capcity to build stadiums without government backing whether councils support the idea or not.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

Thanks for your reply @cochise re your "who is going to pay for this beautiful new stadium in Campbelltown?" I don't know @cochise. I'm not the $$$ man. I'm simply putting out ideas which I believe to be a positive step forward and way out of the mess Our Wests Tigers are in.
**We need to give up old ideas and look forward to a bright new Identity. Cheers mate :relaxed**: :v:

Interestingly your forum name could be taken as an irony to this point. A point I thoroughly agree with by the way which is why I’m TigerSteve and not BalmainSteve

 

[cochise]

@Telltails That's what I am saying, when WSS was being spoken about we needed to be publicly pushing the idea for it to be built in Liverpool or Blacktown and getting other clubs on board. That opportunity was missed se we now have to deal with it being in Parramatta!

 

[Telltails]

@cochise - and Im saying how do you know that they didnt pursue it? They may have been informed from the get go that Parramatta was the preferred option, and funds did not exist for another newly built Western Sydney Stadium? A bit presumptuous to assume that it was a feasible possibility, when in reality it may never have been more than a fanciful idea made by a councillor to get some publicity at the time.