How Benny put the Bite in Tigers
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Mate…
Your Hypocrisy is of the highest Order!!
For months we have listen to your every whinge and whine about how the Balmain Leagues Clubs finacial situation
is dragging down the Wests Tigers. And almost single handedly responsible for the death of the Magpies.
Someone does something about it, Acting in what is best for the Balmain Leagues Club... To get it back on track, And you are the first to lay the boot in!!
The Balmain Leagues club (weather you acknowledge it or not) is as important to the Wests Tigers as the Western Suburbs Magpies Football Club!! Perhaps even more so... Given Wests Tigers has survived without your beloved Magpies for 2 years.
Your constant negativity and resentment toward Balmain is getting old pal, Move on....
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Your Hypocrisy is of the highest Order!!
For months we have listen to your every whinge and whine about how the Balmain Leagues Clubs finacial situation
is dragging down the Wests Tigers. And almost single handedly responsible for the death of the Magpies.
Someone does something about it, Acting in what is best for the Balmain Leagues Club... To get it back on track, And you are the first to lay the boot in!!
The Balmain Leagues club (weather you acknowledge it or not) is as important to the Wests Tigers as the Western Suburbs Magpies Football Club!! Perhaps even more so... Given Wests Tigers has survived without your beloved Magpies for 2 years.
Your constant negativity and resentment toward Balmain is getting old pal, Move on....
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@galahs said:
redemption
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@batboy said:
BB - screw the bludging hypocrites who have no viable history or culture to take pride in!!!
Their mob is an embarassing mess of long-lunchers and low-lifes!!!
I live in the area - and it is a viable proposition if not for the NIMBY/Greens factions who are driving Leicharddt Council to screw the leaguesy development!
I'm confident that in the hands of a non-expedient State Government - the development will go ahead!
As far as "Mobs" go mate… I'm neutral!!
I want Progression for the Wests Tigers (As many do)
But I am sick to death (As many are) of the constant WT and Balmain bashing...
There is always "Some sinister plot" Or "Some hidden adgenda" For the WT's putting
pawns in place for progression!!!
I don't understand how these guys find time to sleep at night with all the conjuring up of these radical notions...
These Radicals (And that's the only word for them) Are anti everything that isn't a black and white Magpie...
We are in our 13th season as WT's I know somw memories are very long... But sheesh!!
I want Progression for the Wests Tigers (As many do)
But I am sick to death (As many are) of the constant WT and Balmain bashing...
There is always "Some sinister plot" Or "Some hidden adgenda" For the WT's putting
pawns in place for progression!!!
I don't understand how these guys find time to sleep at night with all the conjuring up of these radical notions...
These Radicals (And that's the only word for them) Are anti everything that isn't a black and white Magpie...
We are in our 13th season as WT's I know somw memories are very long... But sheesh!!
Gary_Bakerloo
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**Tigers fans want action over Benny Elias deal**
Matthew Moore
July 2, 2012
BALMAIN Tigers fans have called on the Balmain Tigers Leagues Club to hold an extraordinary general meeting to explain revelations detailing the financial involvement of the former club great Benny Elias in the club's controversial redevelopment.
Darcy Byrne, the founder of the Tigers Against the Towers group which opposes the plans for high-rise apartments on the site, said an extraordinary meeting is needed to inform club members ''about the club's mounting debts and the nature of their financial relationship with developer Rozelle Village''.
On Saturday the Herald revealed Mr Elias owns a company, Fordmont Pty Ltd, which owns a 50 per cent state in Rozelle Village Pty Ltd, which is seeking to redevelop the club's Victoria Road site.
The Herald reported Mr Elias, a former club champion, has been encouraging club supporters to sign petitions and letters of support for the controversial $300 million redevelopment without informing them of his financial interest.
''Until now, the clear impression members have been left with was that Benny Elias had no financial involvement in Rozelle Village,'' Mr Byrne, who is also a Labor councillor on Leichhardt Council, said.
''There are serious questions to be answered and an extraordinary meeting is the best way to ensure transparency for the club's members. They have a right to know if anyone has been profiteering at their expense … If anyone has misled Tigers members and fans for financial gain, they must now be held to account.''
Father and daughter Tigers fans and Balmain residents Alan and Laura Pressley said they were appalled at the development proposal that includes a 32-story tower in the low-rise neighbourhood. They were also alarmed by the Herald revelations about Mr Elias's financial involvement, including part ownership of Rozelle Village and financial benefits from loan agreements.
''I did not realise that. It's frightening how much money he stands to make,'' Mr Pressley said. He said an extraordinary meeting would be a good way to air the issues surrounding Mr Elias's financial interests.
''I'd support that. I think it needs to be brought out because there's probably a lot of people who don't know what's going on there, as I didn't till I read the article,'' he said.
Laura Pressley attends all Tigers games still played in Leichhardt and regrets signing a Save the Tigers petition at a stall manned by Mr Elias a few months backs without realising it backed the development.
''The immediate connection you make when you see the stall is he has the best interests of the club at heart,'' she said.
''Reading about it now, I feel a bit duped by that. I am not at all favour of the current proposal for the club site.''
The chairman of the Balmain Tigers Rugby League Club, David Trodden, denied aspects of the article, including that the club had breached the Registered Clubs Act when it sold the club. He said members had voted to do so because it was the best financial decision for the club. He did not dispute Mr Elias stood to benefit financially from the arrangements or that many supporters were unaware of them.
''In real terms, but for the deal struck between Rozelle Village and Balmain Leagues Club [including sale, redevelopment and loan agreements], it is highly likely that the club may have been forced to either massively downsize or possibly fold,'' Mr Trodden said.
Plans for the redevelopment are now before the independent Planning Assessment Commission, which is unlikely to make a determination until late in the year.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/tigers-fans-want-action-over-benny-elias-deal-20120701-21b1i.html#ixzz1zPlWFdWj
Matthew Moore
July 2, 2012
BALMAIN Tigers fans have called on the Balmain Tigers Leagues Club to hold an extraordinary general meeting to explain revelations detailing the financial involvement of the former club great Benny Elias in the club's controversial redevelopment.
Darcy Byrne, the founder of the Tigers Against the Towers group which opposes the plans for high-rise apartments on the site, said an extraordinary meeting is needed to inform club members ''about the club's mounting debts and the nature of their financial relationship with developer Rozelle Village''.
On Saturday the Herald revealed Mr Elias owns a company, Fordmont Pty Ltd, which owns a 50 per cent state in Rozelle Village Pty Ltd, which is seeking to redevelop the club's Victoria Road site.
The Herald reported Mr Elias, a former club champion, has been encouraging club supporters to sign petitions and letters of support for the controversial $300 million redevelopment without informing them of his financial interest.
''Until now, the clear impression members have been left with was that Benny Elias had no financial involvement in Rozelle Village,'' Mr Byrne, who is also a Labor councillor on Leichhardt Council, said.
''There are serious questions to be answered and an extraordinary meeting is the best way to ensure transparency for the club's members. They have a right to know if anyone has been profiteering at their expense … If anyone has misled Tigers members and fans for financial gain, they must now be held to account.''
Father and daughter Tigers fans and Balmain residents Alan and Laura Pressley said they were appalled at the development proposal that includes a 32-story tower in the low-rise neighbourhood. They were also alarmed by the Herald revelations about Mr Elias's financial involvement, including part ownership of Rozelle Village and financial benefits from loan agreements.
''I did not realise that. It's frightening how much money he stands to make,'' Mr Pressley said. He said an extraordinary meeting would be a good way to air the issues surrounding Mr Elias's financial interests.
''I'd support that. I think it needs to be brought out because there's probably a lot of people who don't know what's going on there, as I didn't till I read the article,'' he said.
Laura Pressley attends all Tigers games still played in Leichhardt and regrets signing a Save the Tigers petition at a stall manned by Mr Elias a few months backs without realising it backed the development.
''The immediate connection you make when you see the stall is he has the best interests of the club at heart,'' she said.
''Reading about it now, I feel a bit duped by that. I am not at all favour of the current proposal for the club site.''
The chairman of the Balmain Tigers Rugby League Club, David Trodden, denied aspects of the article, including that the club had breached the Registered Clubs Act when it sold the club. He said members had voted to do so because it was the best financial decision for the club. He did not dispute Mr Elias stood to benefit financially from the arrangements or that many supporters were unaware of them.
''In real terms, but for the deal struck between Rozelle Village and Balmain Leagues Club [including sale, redevelopment and loan agreements], it is highly likely that the club may have been forced to either massively downsize or possibly fold,'' Mr Trodden said.
Plans for the redevelopment are now before the independent Planning Assessment Commission, which is unlikely to make a determination until late in the year.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/tigers-fans-want-action-over-benny-elias-deal-20120701-21b1i.html#ixzz1zPlWFdWj
Alf_Duguid
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Hi Moderators, I was hoping to read through this topic to gain a better insight as to what is going with Elias and Balmain. Thanks to the forum members that have contributed in the first few posts, but the last few posts have not been pleasant. I was hoping you could delete the personal attacks directed from one particular forum member in the last few days. Thanks
My take is that there are interesting times ahead. I think Elias needs to make a statement within the next few days to clarify his position. Knowing that he is media savvy, I just hope he doesnt do it on Wednesday when the biggest game in years will be played.
My take is that there are interesting times ahead. I think Elias needs to make a statement within the next few days to clarify his position. Knowing that he is media savvy, I just hope he doesnt do it on Wednesday when the biggest game in years will be played.
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So by the Herald article posted today the residents action group who had the original misleading article published by their lap dog want a meeting and this is supported in the same paper by those folk who are against the towers regardless of any circumstance.
In other words there is no real media attention despite their pleas and as such want a public forum which will lure TV cameras and give them a chance for a freely publicised protest rally. Interesting
As for Laura Pressley. What kind of mental midget signs anything without reading it to at least have some idea what they are putting their name to? You would have to have the mentality of a barely literate check out chick to do such a thing
In other words there is no real media attention despite their pleas and as such want a public forum which will lure TV cameras and give them a chance for a freely publicised protest rally. Interesting
As for Laura Pressley. What kind of mental midget signs anything without reading it to at least have some idea what they are putting their name to? You would have to have the mentality of a barely literate check out chick to do such a thing
Gary_Bakerloo
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@smeghead said:
That's true, but how many others have signed the petition without understanding that Elias stands to profit significantly? I think this is why many fans, supporters & members feel unease, a lack of trust and a lack of transparency in the whole issue. Not everyone was at the meeting where Elias stated "there was no other option." People see him as the football player he was and sign petitions because they believe he has the club's best interests at heart.
He should be disclosing his interests before people signing because in the absence of this disclosure, the state government could easily ignore the petition.
Today's SMH article was the usual waste of newsprint with a misleading headline. Fans? They quote 2 people, one of who is on the same council who are opposed to any development bigger than a shed with an outhouse attached…
Benjirific
New member
@Yossarian said:
Completely agree. When the proposition was put forward to the members they had every opportunity to read through the terms of the agreement and ask questions prior to the meeting. This, for any believers of the Herald piece on Saturday, actually means that the sale complies to the Registered Clubs Act, and just shows that these people didn't care about it until they think somebody may profit from it. The inclusion of the Leagues Club in the development doesn't prevent it from being a commercial project, and in my personal opinion, if Mr Elias is willing to put up the money and the risk associated with it, then he deserves to get the return.
sunshine_coast_tiger
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Problem as I see it is a small resident action group has got a few journalist mates at the SMH to help it's cause. This people as well as Leichhardt Council never want to see any development on the site. Personally I think the developers have gone for broke in the 32 and 26 storey towers but i think in the end we will see a development of about 24 storeys and 16 storeys. I hope when this is the case the residential action group turn on Leichhardt Council who previously rejected an 12 storey and 5 storey development.
I state again that I am disqusted that Leichhardt Council has wasted so much rate payers money in fighting this development and supproting the action group. Come the council elections I hope there are some canditents that are running that support a re-developed leagues club site because I will not vote for any of the current councilors.
I have faith that Barry O' Farrell and his government will see that this development go ahead as a viable project that will provide a lot of need ammenties for the area and of course the return of Balmain Leagues Club to it's rightful home.
I state again that I am disqusted that Leichhardt Council has wasted so much rate payers money in fighting this development and supproting the action group. Come the council elections I hope there are some canditents that are running that support a re-developed leagues club site because I will not vote for any of the current councilors.
I have faith that Barry O' Farrell and his government will see that this development go ahead as a viable project that will provide a lot of need ammenties for the area and of course the return of Balmain Leagues Club to it's rightful home.
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The Council has probably just used the $750k security that they required be submitted by Tigers with the DA application which has never been refunded
weststigers4life
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@Benjirific said:
I feel the same Yoss & Benji, with the way this paper has continually portrayed a one sided view of this development. If this article was correct & I highly have my doubts to its accurateness, the amounts banded about that Elias is alleged to earn, would they be any higher than what is the normal returns for these types of developments? I would hazard a guess & say not.
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Benjirific
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@weststigers4life said:
I think I'm right in saying (and if I'm wrong please someone correct me), but he and the developers have actually been keeping the club up since they purchased the site, meaning that in real teams taking into account the bank loans they've been paying, they would make nowhere near what a development of this size would normally make.
And considering this was his business, you can't expect him or the developers to take on the financial risk and then not get the return when it is built…..
Well Dave Trodden pretty much said as much in the article. Although he made comments for both pieces, they were buried deep in the body after the ramblings of people who by their own admissions know nothing about what is going on and can't even be stuffed reading the wording of petitions they sign. 4-5 paragraphs from them and one quote from Trodden in rebuttal of their story. No wonder they're going broke…
Anyway Trodden made it clear that the club would have been in a lot worse shape had the deal (that the SMH is complaining about) not been made.
My own thoughts are that this being driven by SMH journalists/editors who are local residents. The distortion in the balance is too great to be a coincidence IMO...
Anyway Trodden made it clear that the club would have been in a lot worse shape had the deal (that the SMH is complaining about) not been made.
My own thoughts are that this being driven by SMH journalists/editors who are local residents. The distortion in the balance is too great to be a coincidence IMO...
Real_one_eyed_Tiger
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I cannot for the life of me understand why people are trying to defend the indefensible ?
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OneEyedMagpie
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They refer to Benny Elias as "the former club great" in the article.
Does this mean he is no longer considered a great of the club?
And what is his involvement with Tony Sage in Perth? I would have thought he would be concentrating his energies on helping the Wests Tigers?
Does this mean he is no longer considered a great of the club?
And what is his involvement with Tony Sage in Perth? I would have thought he would be concentrating his energies on helping the Wests Tigers?
@OneEyedMagpie said:
It means he's no longer a player…
Elias is a businessman who would have a number of projects going on at any given time. I doubt that either the Rozelle Development or the Tony Sage/Perth NRL bid would take up a large amount of his time given the first is awaiting state government approval and the second is going nowhere fast.
innsaneink
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@smeghead said:
It was a petition….theyre usually very brief.
I didnt see anything at the rd 1 game....havent been to the others.
Surely someone here has seen the stall theyre talking about at the Sharks or Warriors game...wouldve been pretty poor form to have it at the Roosters game
I feel the same Yoss & Benji, with the way this paper has continually portrayed a one sided view of this development
Two sides to every story I guess.
Its fairly one sided here too.
