How pathetic is our club?

[NT_Tiger]

And so do I. Was talking about the the club and its duty of care - not to prevent these issues - but to recognise and support those that are suffering from them. And they should have procedures in place in view of the pressures that all young men face in modern society - and if in fact they followed them - then they have done the right thing. If not they need to address it. Se get off your high horse.

Sorry I wasn't specifically annoyed at your comments. I think what you said is mostly valid, but I think club has done their duty of care. I also think club has no obligation to respond to this story.

The thing that annoyed me was these comments like "after what happened to Mosese, we should be handling this better". You can't put that on an organisation.

I noticed that Akoula went to his family, his brother in this case, to talk about his depression. Often they can provide better help than an organisation. The problem is getting the affected person to open up to his family for help.

It's interesting you say that. It can be difficult to get some to open up to anyone. The number of people more or less laying it on Taylor don't understand that the coach might be the absolute last person a player wants to find out about this kind of thing.

 

[jirskyr]

So Halatau is a mental health advocate? That definitely puts a different spin on things. Sounds like JT went to Dene for good reason.

Loll at these comments. Anyone can be an ADVOCATE. An advocate helps promote public awareness . That in way way shape or form makes you qualified for the diagnosis and treatment of depression. Please you guys , I'm not sure that your taking this discussion seriously or not

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So, only licensed therapists are helpful in this situation? You don't get help from family or friends if you have depression?

But actually the NRL do provide training and qualifications:

http://www.nrl.com/nrl-appoints-state-of-mind-ambassadors/tabid/10874/newsid/86127/default.aspx

All ambassadors will receive Mental Health First Aid training and qualifications, training and support to be able to deliver a mental health program designed by the Black Dog Institute, the opportunity to give back to their community in a meaningful way and become a leader in mental health awareness within their clubs.

 

[jirskyr]

And the author?

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Why does it matter? Its full of direct quotes.

Of course it matters. I don't always believe everything I read in the papers or see on the news. I like to know who submitted articles etc because their past history gives me an indication about accuracy of articles or various news pieces.

Now I have not made any comment about Danny Wiedler. I'd also be interested if the article were written by Phil Rothfield, James Hooper, Steve Mascord or many others. EVERY one of them, and their respective publications have a line they need to push and it helps me put things in perspective.

Direct quotes mean nothing unless you have the ENTIRE conversation, not just selected quotes that could be seen as pushing the story in one way or another. I certainly don't know how that fits in this instance but I do have my thoughts that I will keep to myself.

I agree Swordy.

Watch this Milky:

**Young Tigers supporter Milky believes Islamic NRL supporters are tarnishing the game**
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Milky, an avid Wests Tigers supporter from Casula, has seen his share of incidents at rugby league games. Even at a tender 20 years of age, and only recently permitted by his parents to attend games alone, Milky lives in fear of religious intolerance within rugby league crowds.
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Milky experiences a serious though uncommon situation amongst Australia’s young Christian population – he lives in a heavily Islamic neighbourhood in Western Sydney. Not only does he follow the wrong religion, he also follows the Wests Tigers where his neighbourhood is almost entirely behind the blue-and-white of Canterbury.
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This representation extends to NRL matches, where Milky claims some Islamic NRL supporters use the anonymity of large crowds to harass Christians from his local area.
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Milky himself wishes that there were no religious divides, either within his neighbourhood or at the NRL games he is devoted to attending. “Islam and Christians are not really worlds apart, i have read both bibles and the beliefs are much alike”, he said. “A few major differences but there is a fair bit of similarities.”
http://www.weststigersforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=25357&p=640300#p640300
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Despite these wishes, Milky still fears for his safety attending and travelling to NRL games.

 

[Goose]

The real story here is that it is tough as a fringe player, and that is what Akoula is.

They get moved around to fill gaps, what is best for them as a player is rarely a high priority. I have no doubt it is frustrating, i have no doubt it builds up anger against decision makers, but the reality is that only 17 play each week, and you cant pick everyone.

The reason he wasnt playing back row is that others were much better than him in that position.

I think if you interviewed loads of players in a similar situation to Akoula there would be loads of players saying similar stuff, I are frustrated they are not getting a chance, they are annoyed that they are playing out of position and feel they are copping a harsh deal.

im sure that the club could possibly handle it better, but the fact that he feels this way is not the clubs fault but a harsh reality of professional sport.

 

[Telltails]

And so do I. Was talking about the the club and its duty of care - not to prevent these issues - but to recognise and support those that are suffering from them. And they should have procedures in place in view of the pressures that all young men face in modern society - and if in fact they followed them - then they have done the right thing. If not they need to address it. Se get off your high horse.

Sorry I wasn't specifically annoyed at your comments. I think what you said is mostly valid, but I think club has done their duty of care. I also think club has no obligation to respond to this story.

The thing that annoyed me was these comments like "after what happened to Mosese, we should be handling this better". You can't put that on an organisation.

All good - you cant prevent the emergence of depression or mental health issues. Some individuals will carry these issues for their entire lives and will require ongoing support from specialised services who are equipped to help them manage. I have no idea what Sitalekis situation is but I BELIEVE just like we support the players to overcome injury that are contracted to us, that a good club will also do whatever they can to support a player who is identifying with a mental health issue regardless of what the trigger may have been. And the reason I believe this is that they can escalate without much warning. I would expect that the Wests Tigers would have procedures in place.

 

[Nors05]

I feel like Akoula's move to the halves was blatantly to push him out of the club. I understand that some players need to be moved on for financial reasons but this is a perfect example of how a club can forget that these are real people.
This is not fantasy football. Duty of Care and people management is important.

 

[TYGA]

The real story here is that it is tough as a fringe player, and that is what Akoula is.

They get moved around to fill gaps, what is best for them as a player is rarely a high priority. I have no doubt it is frustrating, i have no doubt it builds up anger against decision makers, but the reality is that only 17 play each week, and you cant pick everyone.

The reason he wasnt playing back row is that others were much better than him in that position.

I think if you interviewed loads of players in a similar situation to Akoula there would be loads of players saying similar stuff, I are frustrated they are not getting a chance, they are annoyed that they are playing out of position and feel they are copping a harsh deal.

im sure that the club could possibly handle it better, but the fact that he feels this way is not the clubs fault but a harsh reality of professional sport.

Very well made point but we had Lovett Starting in First Grade :crazy :crazy :crazy

 

[Abraham]

I feel like Akoula's move to the halves was blatantly to push him out of the club. I understand that some players need to be moved on for financial reasons but this is a perfect example of how a club can forget that these are real people.
This is not fantasy football. Duty of Care and people management is important.[/quote

Lol

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[TIGERS]

Best of luck to the young man, but this smells a bit like some of Ayoubs "Dirty Laundry" to me.
Unsettled and depressed playing out of position? Let's call Danny W it will make it all better.

Don't give me any politically correct nonsense. Wests Tigers and the NRL have welfare officers aplenty, and it sounds as though the senior players were looking after him.

 

[Masterton]

As I recall, he played there for the first few weeks until Moltzen returned. Playing 5/8 for a few weeks when we have no-one else is not really a big deal.

Unfortunately, depression can effect people in any situation.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Its funny Ayoub claimed he had info that was going to embarrass a lot of people.

I'm sure this emerging a week later is just a coincidence 😕

 

[tig_prmz]

lol no one is walking away from this with their head held high

 

[stevetiger]

Unfortunately, depression can effect people in any situation.

Exactly. I find it hard to judge the club harshly on this issue.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

So Halatau is a mental health advocate? That definitely puts a different spin on things. Sounds like JT went to Dene for good reason.

Could Halatau's salary, be it full or partial, be attributable to counseling for players? This could assist with reducing salary cap stress.

 

[Eddie]

Rod Reddy the dinosaur was bought in to help improve morale for players in the state cup etc, keep them in the loop.

Thats how it they described his role in the pre season.

Everyone knows he is a dinosaur who offers nothing so this sort of stuff is not really a surprise, but pretty sad.

And together with Taylor, who seems about as popular as cancer seem like they have an unhappy camp and a club captain/legend who has been treated poorly. Taupau wants out etc.

What a mess this club is.

So we're throwing what one two bit radio personality said into all this, (without any source btw) and we're going to add it into everything else.

Sounds legit.

Looks like i was right.

Taupau did want out

Like I sad at the time a month ago, assume the worse and your a good chance of being right in Tiger Town.

 

[Geo]

I would want out as well for an extra 500K…

 

[Chris]

Here's a test for Pascoe, let's see how he handles a contracted player negotiating with other clubs while still under contract with us.

 

[happy_tiger]

Taylor says the club kept an eye on the young player.

"We monitored his situation through Dene Halatau," the coach said. "It wasn't an official thing but Dene would report back to me on his condition and it was something we kept an eye on because players were concerned about him."

That is the most appalling thing about it and it highlights the lack of player Manager skills the bloke
has.
Has Dene reporting back to him the state of his Mental Health , it is clear to see that Club has failed in there Duty of Care IMO especially when 2 years ago we had a player commit suicide .
He states he felt isolated and if it wasn't for those players that showed great concern for him who knows what the outcome could of been .
Absolute appalling that JT can't reach out and have a chat with a player at the Club who is in distress , obviously has no idea how fragile there minds are in these times of need .
Good on ya Dene, Keithy and Farah for having the time and concern for a fellow friend , you have potentially saved a life.

Would it have really been too much for Taylor to personally have a few chats to him , but that would mean thinking about someone else rather than just himself for a change.
You can bet that someone like a Bellamy or Bennett, would have at least took,a more personal interest in one of their younger players with a problem, especially with the happenings in league over the past couple of years.
Pleased to see that our players took an interest and tried to help

I didn't even see this thread , glad I did

I'm glad some on here aren't mental health workers or have to deal with these situations

So what some are suggesting is this

That Sitaleki is obviously was angry with JT / Fletcher on how he was being played in the side and was struggling with issues and you want the person who he perceives as the issue to approach him

Some of you are off in pixie land , seriously

The first thing I tell my staff if they have an issue or need to have some deal with conflict management with a part of my management team is to not contact the person you have an issue with (including myself )

They should speak to another manager , HR , or my boss

In many of these situations (especially with younger people ) the last thing they need is another lecture from a perceived parent figure

They are far better speaking to someone they believe they can relate to (and are more likely to tell the whole story ) and then the people that are experts can then make the call on what needs to happen Do you honestly believe that a professional sportsmen who relies on his earning is going to put that in jeopardy by opening up with the person who selects him (or in this case the person not selecting him ??

That has been from time to time the crux of many issues in the Australian Cricket side , out of form players not wanting to speak to coaches and captains about problems with form /techniques etc

I have dealt with situations like these for over 20 years and some have almost ended at the worst case scenario , one in particular where the local Hospital had turned away a potential suicide case and I was over an hour away telling him to stay at the hospital until I got there and ringing peers of his to get up there and make sure he went nowhere

In every case it has nothing to do with who handles it

It has everything to do with how it is handled and whether the person respects and trusts what he is being told and the follow up

 

[Geo]

^^^^^ Thanks Dr Happy (Phil)

 

[happy_tiger]

^^^^^ Thanks Dr Happy (Phil)

Trust me Geo , its one part of my role that scares me , every time you try and give advice when asked
and you hope that it hasn't hindered the situation or issue

On the situation I mentioned it was more good luck than good management that we got through it

And to any parents out there , please take this stuff serious , no matter how trivial it might seem

What might be a molehill to you , might be Mt Everest to your kids