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[happy_tiger]

I've lived in NZ for a while now and apart from Auckland I really don't think a second team will work. You guys have to understand how big rugby is here and how that dominates all other codes and sports.

Sure the warriors are established and they have a great fan base and support, but that is not going to be replicated in Christchurch or Wellington. They struggle to get crowds at their super 15 rugby games now, and rugby is regarded as a religion over here.

There's no doubt one of the Sydney teams is going to get squeezed out and relocated, sharks or dogs would be my bet.

Exactly, this is why i've mentioned the warriors playing more games on south island. Like 3-4 games. Haven't lived in NZ for a while though, how do you reckon that'd work?

And happy, i've read a few articles and comments etc. and I can start to see where you're coming from but I can't see where all these fans are coming from. You'll need 10s of thousands of fans to average more than 10k home games (excl. when playing the broncos) and I don't see why so many would switch or suddenly become NRL fans….

Playing more games nz wide is a great idea and I don't understand why they don't do it more often!

Just look at that game they brought to Welly and it attracted over 30000 fans. Which is great for a warriors game!

Preseason games are a perfect opportunity to do this like they did last year in Christchurch and instead they are going up the road to north harbour this year? Stupid. I agree with having 3-4 games a season elsewhere in NZ.

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As someone else said , I don't think people in Sydney realize how many people in Brisbane hate the Broncos for many different reasons

The main reason would be how much damage the Broncos did to the local competition and how they treated the local BRL sides at various stages

A lot of Brisbane fans were angered during the Super League /ARL wars

Many more were angered by the way the Broncos treated Wally Lewis ,Gene Miles ,Allan Langer , Kerrod Walters ,Greg Conescu, Colin Scott by literally throwing them on the scrapheap

These blokes helped bankroll the Broncos in the early days

A lot of people weren't happy with the consortium that got the Broncos Many wanted the Ron McAuliffe led consortium bid

I wonder what a few of the other Qlders on the Forum think ,Watto is probably as in the know with the Brisbane scene as I was , but I'm sure he would agree

 

[Tiger_Watto]

As someone else said , I don't think people in Sydney realize how many people in Brisbane hate the Broncos for many different reasons

The main reason would be how much damage the Broncos did to the local competition and how they treated the local BRL sides at various stages

A lot of Brisbane fans were angered during the Super League /ARL wars

Many more were angered by the way the Broncos treated Wally Lewis ,Gene Miles ,Allan Langer , Kerrod Walters ,Greg Conescu, Colin Scott by literally throwing them on the scrapheap

These blokes helped bankroll the Broncos in the early days

A lot of people weren't happy with the consortium that got the Broncos Many wanted the Ron McAuliffe led consortium bid

I wonder what a few of the other Qlders on the Forum think ,Watto is probably as in the know with the Brisbane scene as I was , but I'm sure he would agree

I have no idea how that worked, but that was me… 'Guest'?

I'd more than likely buy shares in a second Brisso Team I am that confident it will work!

 

[pHyR3]

Thanks for that happy, you've changed my mind. Brisbane II should definitely come into contention along with Perth. Biggest problem with perth i feel will be crowds though… ahh well, i'm sure the NRL will make the right decision. They seem to be doing that this year OFF the field with the independant management but not on field, hopefully they'll change that around in 2014.

 

[pacey]

Dont see PNG being able to attract big players.

 

[pHyR3]

That's in the future, i'd expect their economy to have doubled, tripled in size by then.

 

[Black_n_White]

Dont see PNG being able to attract big players.

Maybe not, but even if they are made up entirely of locals, not team will look forward to playing them. Those guys over there play with everything they have and hit with it as well… Would love to see how the finesse teams deal with raw brutal football that would come out of PNG... Imagine what the NRL grant could do over there, they would have change from $2 million using only local stock, and be able to build a legit system to nurture talent with the rest... otherwise outbid anyone they want on the free market.

The problem with PNG is the time necessary to build both world class infrastructure and facilities. With those key elements and Australian developed staff, they could easily lift the standard of football over there. Those boys over there have the passion and pride to go anywhere, unfortunately they dont already have the systems in place to unleash full potential and be competitive in the current professional football climate.

 

[frannza]

Why can't png play all their games in Australia -live In Australia train in Australia play in Australia ?????? supported by Australia funded by nrl -damn it I'd support it !!!!! / probably would become all of our second team to support !!!!

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[frannza]

Coached by meninga ???

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[TurnStyle]

firstly, excellent thread phyr3! great topic, and ive really enjoyed the comments on here.

i live in perth, and although there are a lot of expats and kiwis here, just cant see a perth team being a good long term prospect. the western reds were pretty rubbish really, not successful as you said phyr3\. also, in the mid 90s they were built off great momentum the nrl had gained at the time.

although, nib stadium where the force and glory play is now infinitely better than the WACA where the reds initially played and is a purpose redeveloped rectangular ground. and i guess having live matches over here on channel 9 would create more interest than there is currently.

hmm. i think i am convincing myself away from my view!!! maybe it could work? as long as they arent called the pirates for gods sake….

as for the second brisbane team, i think it is an invalid point saying that no one will support a new team because the broncos are there.

my precedent lies both here and adelaide in the afl: the west coast eagles is a huge club with a massive fan base and when the dockers went into the afl i thought no one would ever follow them. good management, a grand final and a sensible overhaul of the marketing aspect later and they are very stable. same thing for port adelaide.

the thing is simply time breeds supporters. im sure in 1967 when the panthers joined the nrl no one supported them either, but in 1991 they sure did (paraphrasing). in a few years time, the GWS giants will evolve the same way as fremantle have. the young guys will become good players (heaven knows they have all the good youngsters from the last few years), sydney wont be awesome forever, and they will change their crappy jumpers and build as a club.

you can also see this with the gold coast suns. throw billions at a gary ablett, improve each year and it builds...

 

[GoldXR50Leroy]

The fact that the NRL wouldn't entertain John Singleton's push behind the Central Coast Bears bid where he was going to fund it to a great degree was a shameful act of betrayal, look how the Mariners in the A-League have prospered at Rugby League's expense with minimal opposition!, it still could be a huge sucess but time is running out fast while the round ball game prospers.
Look to the West where they have 2 competing bodies for a NRL franchise, Tony Sage the owner of the Perth Glory would rather be the owner of a Rugby League franchise than a round ball one but can see the advantage of more clubs sharing the NiB stadium, then there is the WARL itself wanting to run it's own show with the West Coast Pirates, this in itself is a good indication that in the short term a WA side will be sucessful, it's up to them to build for the future.
Personally I don't want another Qld NRL side as they would continue to flog us in the Origin but for the balance of the competition we must accept that it is inevitable but surely they could come up with another name than the Bombers unless they were going to play out Ipswich way where they have had a team called the Jets for nearly 30 years.

 

[TurnStyle]

i rambled on too much in my previous post to get there, but youve echoed my thoughts, gold. i personally think the central coast is the best place for a new team. dont know anything about the population or anything, but i love blue tongue stadium, and yeh, the mariners have become a great club on (what i think is) very poor backing financially.

as for the two factions in perth, i dont have all that much faith in the warl. from what i experienced, it is a very small group and not really up to the task. having said that, its been 13 years since i played…. maybe now they have better backing etc, not sure.

sage has done very well with the glory, so i would lean towards him - even if football/soccer is a different game.

 

[happy_tiger]

Why can't png play all their games in Australia -live In Australia train in Australia play in Australia ?????? supported by Australia funded by nrl -damn it I'd support it !!!!! / probably would become all of our second team to support !!!!

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Look PNG wouldn't agree to that

They will get so much intimidation factor playing games at home and referees would be even worse

I think you need to watch some of the footage of PNG games

Half of them end with police having to fire tear gas into the crowd to try and get them under control 😱pen_mouth:

Imagine away teams coping with that

 

[system]

Why can't png play all their games in Australia -live In Australia train in Australia play in Australia ?????? supported by Australia funded by nrl -damn it I'd support it !!!!! / probably would become all of our second team to support !!!!

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Look PNG wouldn't agree to that

They will get so much intimidation factor playing games at home and referees would be even worse

I think you need to watch some of the footage of PNG games

Half of them end with police having to fire tear gas into the crowd to try and get them under control 😱pen_mouth:

Imagine away teams coping with that

sounds like the old days at Purtell Park.

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[frannza]

Sorry happy bit I think u missed it

Get them to play all games in Australia

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[Black_n_White]

Why can't png play all their games in Australia -live In Australia train in Australia play in Australia ?????? supported by Australia funded by nrl -damn it I'd support it !!!!! / probably would become all of our second team to support !!!!

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Look PNG wouldn't agree to that

They will get so much intimidation factor playing games at home and referees would be even worse

I think you need to watch some of the footage of PNG games

Half of them end with police having to fire tear gas into the crowd to try and get them under control 😱pen_mouth:

Imagine away teams coping with that

Indeed Happy, the home ground fortress in PNG would be massive for them in the beginning… one place where a crowd could truly turn a game more than team, just about the only place. Even though the ticket price would reflect the economic climate over there, the place would be busting at the seams every game, and you cannot take that away from them.

Everytime I think about a PNG team, I cannot help but to think about what it could do for an entire country. Its bigger than just the NRL, it would give back to the people in a huge way.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

i rambled on too much in my previous post to get there, but youve echoed my thoughts, gold. i personally think the central coast is the best place for a new team. dont know anything about the population or anything, but i love blue tongue stadium, and yeh, the mariners have become a great club on (what i think is) very poor backing financially.

as for the two factions in perth, i dont have all that much faith in the warl. from what i experienced, it is a very small group and not really up to the task. having said that, its been 13 years since i played…. maybe now they have better backing etc, not sure.

sage has done very well with the glory, so i would lean towards him - even if football/soccer is a different game.

Agree with most of what you said Turnstyle but not the Tony Sage bit…the bloke is just a "look at me" sort of fella with his flash cars and boat. At the first sign of his WA RL team struggling he would do a runner for sure, to him it is strictly about the money. The WARL do seem a bit amateurish but at least they have the game's best interests as their building block as far as growing the game and promoting it is concerned.

A Central Coast team is also a must, would be great to see the Bears re-enter the league in some way. A 2nd team in Brisbane would also be great...mainly so we don't have the Broncos rammed down our necks every friggin Friday. Brisbane just doesn't seem to be the be all and end all of rugby league as much as QLDer's would like to bleat that it is, would be interesting to see how many people would show up to watch the Broncos play if they were sh*t and hanging around the bottom of the ladder for a while.

 

[happy_tiger]

Why can't png play all their games in Australia -live In Australia train in Australia play in Australia ?????? supported by Australia funded by nrl -damn it I'd support it !!!!! / probably would become all of our second team to support !!!!

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Look PNG wouldn't agree to that

They will get so much intimidation factor playing games at home and referees would be even worse

I think you need to watch some of the footage of PNG games

Half of them end with police having to fire tear gas into the crowd to try and get them under control 😱pen_mouth:

Imagine away teams coping with that

sounds like the old days at Purtell Park.

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We never needed tear gas at Purtell Park Watto , we always carried gas masks , rubber bullets were a problem though

And remember Purtell was on a slope mate , the tear gas could only reach so far

Never had that issue at Langlands , the crowds were always too small and they had got used to losing all the time