I Will Finally Call It!

[Snake]

Attitude ..the quest for finally having the killer instinct to putting your opposition to the sword and go on with it week in week out. Sheens has not been able to control certain players as yet whether he can time will tell but after the debacle of last years final game surely steps have been put in place to rectify this as I see this problem as the biggest the team still faces. Our roster seems well placed but for me the chains are still on and until I see different nothings changed and back to the original post yes Sheens definatly has to come up with the goods can,t sweep it under the table anymore, we have the team to win the comp in 2012 but is the coach ruthless enough is the question..

 

[black_and_white_tige]

Attitude ..the quest for finally having the killer instinct to putting your opposition to the sword and go on with it week in week out. Sheens has not been able to control certain players as yet whether he can time will tell but after the debacle of last years final game surely steps have been put in place to rectify this as I see this problem as the biggest the team still faces. Our roster seems well placed but for me the chains are still on and until I see different nothings changed and back to the original post yes Sheens definatly has to come up with the goods can,t sweep it under the table anymore, we have the team to win the comp in 2012 but is the coach ruthless enough is the question..

Exactly right Snake,
We've never had that killer instinct to put a team away and go on with it.We've now got the skill right across the park to win the comp in 2012 no doubt, but untill we change our attitude and the get that week in/week out want to win (and win good ), we will just be another top 8 contender. 2012 has to be the year of the Tiger.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

The way i see it, if Sheens was able to keep his job after making only one finals appearence in 7 seasons untill 2010, i don't see why his job would be in any jeopardy at the end of 2012 regardless of what happens. The Tigers board have shown in the past that they have the backbone of a paramecium

 

[Tiger_Watto]

The way i see it, if Sheens was able to keep his job after making only one finals appearence in 7 seasons untill 2010, i don't see why his job would be in any jeopardy at the end of 2012 regardless of what happens. The Tigers board have shown in the past that they have the backbone of a paramecium

I have no idea what a 'paramecium' is, but I would have to say that the board has been vindicated by his performances over the last 2 years.

I feel Chris is really saying 3 years at the Top and no Trophy should result in a new coach as there is no more excuses.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

The way i see it, if Sheens was able to keep his job after making only one finals appearence in 7 seasons untill 2010, i don't see why his job would be in any jeopardy at the end of 2012 regardless of what happens. The Tigers board have shown in the past that they have the backbone of a paramecium

I have no idea what a 'paramecium' is, but I would have to say that the board has been vindicated by his performances over the last 2 years.

I feel Chris is really saying 3 years at the Top and no Trophy should result in a new coach as there is no more excuses.

lol its those cells you look at through a microscope :laughing: heard in a show once, thought it was funny. Anyway, i think the last 2 seasons has put him almost in the position Bennett was in in Brisbane. The job is his for as long as he wants it

 

[happy_tiger]

If you had the choice of Gibbs or Blair, irrespective of money, whom would you choose? I think the acquisition of Blair more than compensates for the loss of Gibbs and Fifita. I have to disagree with you on point 2 King Sirro, as we have barely had Gibbs and Payten in the team for the past 18 months and still made the finals.

Gibbs had the ability to make some great cover defending saves, and so did Ben Galea before him, but someone else will get an opportunity and will step up and fill the void.

In my opinion we need to finish first or second on the table to be a sure thing for the GF. We rely too heavily on how Benji and Robbie play and as we have seen one bad decision or game can cost us dearly.

I have very high expectations for the season ahead. We have bought well and seem to have a good crop of juniors. I really hope Ben MM kicks on and cannot wait to see Gareth and Adam pair up in the second row (hopefully both of them in the second row).

TigerSmurf trying to compare Blair and Gibbs defensively is like comparing a helicopter with an aeroplane

Gibbs and Blair are the best imo at what they do

Blair with the wrestle Gibbs with defensive line speed

Blair makes on average 25-30 tackles each week whereas Gibbs if on the field for 50 minutes will contribute to say 65% of our defensive line speed Blair makes 25 tackles he contributes to about 10% of our defence

Of course our younger players will hopefully learn off Blair and become better wrestlers and slow the speed of the ruck down
My last word on this is it would of been nice if we could of found a way to keep Blair and Gibbs even if it was at the expense of Rhino
In the end Defence wins premierships

 

[underdog]

Much akin to this "new' Australian cricket team - we need to put teams to the sword.

Sheens NEEDS to instill this.

 

[innsaneink]

Much akin to this "new' Australian cricket team - we need to put teams to the sword.

Sheens NEEDS to instill this.

Yeah agree wholeheartedly, and we do….sometimes.
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For 7 long hard years, I have argued with, belittled, lost my cool and finally begged members on here about keeping Tim as our head coach. I have found every excuse in the book to defend Tim Sheens but now the time has come for it to end. He has assembled, arguably, the best playing roster in the NRL. Our club has never looked any better on and off the field than what it does at the moment. Barring any major off field incident, if we don't make the grand final in 2012, I will be calling for a new head coach.

We arguably have the best pack of forwards and potentially, the most explosive backline in the NRL. We bragged about our depth in 2011, I think our depth is even deeper in 2012 so this should quite easily account for any injuries that we may incur. That includes any injuries to players like Ellis, Farah and Benji. We have the cattle and we have finals footy experience.

Either we make the 2012 Grand Final or Tim needs to step aside and possibly be our Coaching Director and let someone like Steve Georgallis have a crack.

We are soooo different sometimes its not funny….imo the last two years has bought Sheens another couple of seasons at least

I think 2012 though will be a watershed or watermark, waterwhatever it is season, if we cant crack it then I think we'll find it very difficult to stay at the top/be a leading team for a few years after that...our irons hot now, has been for the last 2 years. Its only a bounce of the ball, a tackle, one penalty awarded or not, or to kick or not to kick in the semis that decides our fate

 

[Flippedy]

I agree with everything said in stryker's post…....Well said. I Can't add anything of substance to that

Me too, except for the "will the rep season hurt us" bit. Barring injury, Lawrence and Galloway should make both Origin and the Anzac test, but I think that'll be it. The selectors will probably prefer others over Ayshford and Woods and there is no way in God's green earth NSW will drop Ennis, unless he is injured or NSW lose the first game and, if that happens, then there will be a big push for Buderus to return - just wait and see.

 

[supercoach]

I think Sheens should be judged on how the team finishes the home and away games not on the final series. That may sound strange, but its that week in and out consistency we need to improve on and you achieve that by playing hard and smart football, that includes having a strong kicking game and taking the right fifth tackle options. Achieve that and you have the game to carry you through a finals series. Although I think the finals series is a lottery where so many variables come into play and not always the best team wins. As I said before considering the closeness of the comp a top five finish is a pass, but I expect a top three finish

 

[TuiTui]

Agree with strykers' post and Flippedys' post regarding origin..
Lots of people are mentioning Blairs' skill regarding wrestle/grapppling in tackles… I just hope that this doesn't count against us too much, as i see it the Ref's have gotten used to Melbourne doing it so much they seem to be more lenient with penalising them than other teams..and they may not allow him to be as effective doint it for us as he was with the Storm, I may be over analysing that thought, but i guess time will tell..

 

[Flippedy]

Agree with strykers' post and Flippedys' post regarding origin..
Lots of people are mentioning Blairs' skill regarding wrestle/grapppling in tackles… I just hope that this doesn't count against us too much, as i see it the Ref's have gotten used to Melbourne doing it so much they seem to be more lenient with penalising them than other teams..and they may not allow him to be as effective doint it for us as he was with the Storm, I may be over analysing that thought, but i guess time will tell..

Yes, that thought entered my mind too, Tui. I really hope the refs don't start penalising Blair now just because he's wearing a different jersey!

 

[kill_em_all_tigers]

Tim won't be going anywhere.

a) He is a quality coach - there is no way he is going to do something out of no where that will change our current ability to win more games than we lose.

b) R & B can both be double edged swords - the big moments that lead to ultimate success will more than likely come down to decisions made by Robbie and Benji on the field (no doubt our kicking game) and Tim can't do much about these unfortunately. There is no way Tim will be canned for putting our hopes on these two to make and execute the correct choices.

 

[KingOvKingz09]

No. I disagree. We will make the finals and that is thanks to tim. If we go further that's up to the team on the day. Don't forget we have the team we have now thanks to tim.
And lastly, sorry but Marshall is not replaceable , if we lose him for any long period we are gone.
My 2 cents.
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yep if marshall is out for awhile (touchs wood)….any hope we have for top 4 let alone top 8 will crumble...
...as a matter of fact, i know ima get drenched for this...but if we lose marshall then wooden spoon here we come.

 

[Properossi]

No. I disagree. We will make the finals and that is thanks to tim. If we go further that's up to the team on the day. Don't forget we have the team we have now thanks to tim.
And lastly, sorry but Marshall is not replaceable , if we lose him for any long period we are gone.
My 2 cents.
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yep if marshall is out for awhile (touchs wood)….any hope we have for top 4 let alone top 8 will crumble...
...as a matter of fact, i know ima get drenched for this...but if we lose marshall then wooden spoon here we come.

Wooden Spoon No Top Eight Yes but 7 or 8 nothing higher. There are some ordinary teams in the comp?

 

[Flippedy]

No. I disagree. We will make the finals and that is thanks to tim. If we go further that's up to the team on the day. Don't forget we have the team we have now thanks to tim.
And lastly, sorry but Marshall is not replaceable , if we lose him for any long period we are gone.
My 2 cents.
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yep if marshall is out for awhile (touchs wood)….any hope we have for top 4 let alone top 8 will crumble...
...as a matter of fact, i know ima get drenched for this...**but if we lose marshall then wooden spoon here we come.**

Hmmm, would've agreed with this for sure about the Wests Tigers of last season, but I'm hoping they will have greatly developed, as a team this year, to not allow this to happen.

 

[Costaki]

How can you say Tim Sheens should get the chop if the team doesn't make the grand final, when he is the major reason we are in the position of being title favourites in the first place?

We've made the top 4 two years in a row. We now have a great winning culture, both on and off the field, our great roster is mostly due to Sheens' influence, his ability to attract and retain star players, and knowing which juniors to keep and bring through.

You're basically saying that he's done such a good job to get us where we are, that if we dont win the comp he should be made the victim of his own success. It doesn't make sense.

 

[Yossarian]

Crikey - 4 days in to the new year, not even a trial game played and already people are getting ready to call for Sheens' head…

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Crikey - 4 days in to the new year, not even a trial game played and already people are getting ready to call for Sheens' head…

Surprised it's taken this long Yoss…

 

[Yossarian]

Crikey - 4 days in to the new year, not even a trial game played and already people are getting ready to call for Sheens' head…

Surprised it's taken this long Yoss…

True. The restraint of forum members has been admirable.