I Will Finally Call It!

[Cultured_Bogan]

Kicking game Happy. Defence is the second rowers job. Miller is a better defender than Lui IMO.

 

[Blackandwhite]

Kicking game Happy. Defence is the second rowers job. Miller is a better defender than Lui IMO.

Well IMO having watched every one of his games Miller is definitely not better than Lui.

Miller was actually quite dreadful in the second half of the season playing NYC …..Ohh wait he was playing injured I forgot.

 

[happy_tiger]

Kicking game Happy. Defence is the second rowers job. Miller is a better defender than Lui IMO.

Well IMO having watched every one of his games Miller is definitely not better than Lui.

Miller was actually quite dreadful in the second half of the season playing NYC …..Ohh wait he was playing injured I forgot.

Which way do you lean for the half back role B &W ??

 

[Blackandwhite]

Kicking game Happy. Defence is the second rowers job. Miller is a better defender than Lui IMO.

Well IMO having watched every one of his games Miller is definitely not better than Lui.

Miller was actually quite dreadful in the second half of the season playing NYC …..Ohh wait he was playing injured I forgot.

Which way do you lean for the half back role B &W ??

I think we will obviously know more after the trials, I know Sheens would like to squeeze Tedesco into the team so that would mean Moltzen half back. I don't like that, I wouldn't be rushing Tedesco but I trust Sheens knows what he is doing.

I like Miller, he just has that attitude about him. His defence was very sub standard towards the back end of the year he looked like he didn't want to be there.

But he is a great organiser, he knows when and where to kick, he is what we need to guide us around the park. I don't think he will have the same attitude playing NRL. If Miller has improved his defence and I hope he has then he should be our half back and Moltzen fullback.

Chisholm needs to pick up his fitness before Sheens will have a look at him but he is a very skillful player.

 

[smoking_gun]

I don't think we can go wrong with moltz miller or chisolm each will compliment Marshall and farah, they don't need to be a superstar we already have 2 of them in the play making area, but for me and what I've seen chisolm does look to have the more complete game. Though I am a massive fan of molts @ 7

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Again I put it to you that there is no other option at half than Moltzen - we have heaps of options at fullback headed by Reddy, Brown, Humble, and even Ryan or maybe Grant.

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The fact is Moltzen at 7 is also unproven at NRL Level. He's played a handful of games there, but realistically, Marshall played 7 in most of those games and Moltz played a roving role. I think we have seen enough of Marshall playing this 7 role and he needs to play wider of the ruck to be dangerous. We need a suitable option to play inside of him at 7, not a split 6.

Furthermore, none of your Fullback options are proven through the week to week grind of NRL to justify moving Moltzen. Brown, Humble & Grant are simply State Cup Players at this stage. Has Reddy actually played a game at Fullback in the NRL?

The only facts we know are Sheens has always seen Moltzen as a Fullback. Sheens believes Miller has the potential to step up to NRL as was obvious by his few games last year. Sheens has big wraps on James Tedesco. We have bought Chisholm as another potential 7/6.

 

[Tigersmurf]

I have to disagree with your last paragraph Watto. I think Sheens sees Moltzen as a player who can cover many positions. He has used him in the halves before, and when Moltzen had time there he went really well. I think he used him t fullback as he was our best option at the time in that position.

The best thing we can do is pick a first string halfback in the trials and stick with him. Whether it is Moltz, Miller or Chisolm they need to know that the position is theirs and they have time to get comfortable. I am with gun on this one - I think Moltzen is the best choice at half but his kicking game will need work.

 

[Joel Helmes]

Again I put it to you that there is no other option at half than Moltzen - we have heaps of options at fullback headed by Reddy, Brown, Humble, and even Ryan or maybe Grant.

The fact is Moltzen at 7 is also unproven at NRL Level. He's played a handful of games there, but realistically, Marshall played 7 in most of those games and Moltz played a roving role. I think we have seen enough of Marshall playing this 7 role and he needs to play wider of the ruck to be dangerous. We need a suitable option to play inside of him at 7, not a split 6.

Furthermore, none of your Fullback options are proven through the week to week grind of NRL to justify moving Moltzen. Brown, Humble & Grant are simply State Cup Players at this stage. Has Reddy actually played a game at Fullback in the NRL?

The only facts we know are Sheens has always seen Moltzen as a Fullback. Sheens believes Miller has the potential to step up to NRL as was obvious by his few games last year. Sheens has big wraps on James Tedesco. We have bought Chisholm as another potential 7/6.

Well perhaps it will be Tedesco at 1 and Moltzen at 7?

Just for the record I'm absolutely not a card carrying member of the Moltzen at seven brigade - as I have stated before however I reckon its too much of a gamble, and too much pressure on a youngster like Miller being given the seven jersey straight off.

You have to take the safe option I believe and that's picking the guy with the most experience who already has a pretty good combo/understanding with Marshall.

As others have said as well Miller's form late in the season was a bit shakey and that's to be expected given his age - I'm a big fan but think he needs just a few more miles on the clock before being thrown in the deep end.

I also have a good feeling about Chisolm but he's a really unknown quantity at this stage.

Anyway we will know soon enough :slight_smile:

 

[Tiger_Watto]

I have no doubt Moltzen will be in the Starting 13… Wayne Bennett took 3 years to move Lockyer. Darren was keen to move in 2002 after Kevin Walters moved on and as a result, Wayne was under pressure from all angles within the Club. Many felt Ben Ikin didnt have a balanced enough game at 5/8 and preferred him as a Centre. Along came Special K!!!

I feel Tedesco is the only reason Sheens will move Moltzen...

C'mon March!!!

 

[innsaneink]

I think 1 is settled with Moltzen, its the 7 that will be where the question marks persist= Plan A.
I believe Sheens see's Brown Reddy and even Possibly Tuquiri at fullback if Chisolm Miller or Humble cant crack it at halfback and he goes plan B & puts Moltzen there

 

[magpiecol]

I do not think that we need Moltzen anywhere in the side.

Very "iffy" under the high ball, ditto in defence, no passing game and no kicking game. That does not leave much to justify his inclusion.

Oh, yes, he does not know the rules re a completed tackle.

 

[Tigersmurf]

Thats a little harsh Col considering others don't know how to kick into the corners on the last tackle…..

 

[cunno]

"I think we will obviously know more after the trials, I know Sheens would like to squeeze Tedesco into the team so that would mean Moltzen half back. I don't like that, I wouldn't be rushing Tedesco but I trust Sheens knows what he is doing."

You are confident that Sheens will select Tedesco sooner rather than later Black & White. Tedesco played well last year and has the makings of a top prospect but wouldn't it be useful to work on his defence first? I agree with you in that if Sheens picks him early then he must be confident that Ted can aim up. The other thing to consider about a coach who has the experience of Sheens is that one of the things that would provide him with a lot of job satisfaction would be to ID a talent, bring them through when believed ready and develop them into a top player this could also be a reason if the young bloke comes through early. Fullback is a very important position as we know and to develop a top one would be a major achievement imo for a coach like Sheens. Obviously Tedesco is a winner as well if it comes off.

 

[innsaneink]

I do not think that we need Moltzen anywhere in the side.

Very "iffy" under the high ball, ditto in defence, no passing game and no kicking game. That does not leave much to justify his inclusion.

Oh, yes, he does not know the rules re a completed tackle.

Open your eye col

3:13…..he can tackle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJi3yvg4QH0

He has a brilliant passing, ball playing game, he has not been allowed to use it though I recall late last year he put Lui in with some brilliant ball plying close to the line

He's fine under the bomb.

His confidence has ballooned, he seems to be having a go now which is where I found fault with him in the past, my opinion of him has changed dramatically...Im glad we retained him

 

[Blackandwhite]

"
You are confident that Sheens will select Tedesco sooner rather than later Black & White. Tedesco played well last year and has the makings of a top prospect but wouldn't it be useful to work on his defence first? I agree with you in that if Sheens picks him early then he must be confident that Ted can aim up. The other thing to consider about a coach who has the experience of Sheens is that one of the things that would provide him with a lot of job satisfaction would be to ID a talent, bring them through when believed ready and develop them into a top player this could also be a reason if the young bloke comes through early. Fullback is a very important position as we know and to develop a top one would be a major achievement imo for a coach like Sheens. Obviously Tedesco is a winner as well if it comes off.

Tedesco has come through the pack and is now only a few seconds away from being the fittest at the club. But that doesn't make him ready for first grade.
Sheens likes to reward the ones that put the work in at training that's why Beau Ryan will be 1st choice winger. I think Sheens will give Tedesco a run in the first trial game but anything more than that would be a big gamble.

I think your right as a coach who has done everything Sheens gets most satisfaction from finding a talent and developing them. He dreams back to his Canberra days and hopes of being labelled the guy who found the next superstar.

Moltzen finished the season well and he should be the number 1 especially against St. George in round 3.

 

[Goose]

Tedessco is still a boy in terms of physical development, unlike others say, I dont always think that being good enough means your old enough. We dont want to ruin him. IMO (like just about anyone that has seen much of him) he is a class act who looks like an excellent NRL playing in the making, but I dont think his body is ready for NRL just yet, give him a fully year in NYC

We have adequate options at full back we dont need to rush him.

I actually think Benji Marshalls early injuries were related to being asked to do more than his body was ready for, cause he was so talented

 

[Joel Helmes]

Tedessco is still a boy in terms of physical development, unlike others say, I dont always think that being good enough means your old enough. We dont want to ruin him. IMO (like just about anyone that has seen much of him) he is a class act who looks like an excellent NRL playing in the making, but I dont think his body is ready for NRL just yet, give him a fully year in NYC

We have adequate options at full back we dont need to rush him.

I actually think Benji Marshalls early injuries were related to being asked to do more than his body was ready for, cause he was so talented

Agree 100% Goose, good post!

 

[Blackandwhite]

Tedessco is still a boy in terms of physical development, unlike others say, I dont always think that being good enough means your old enough. We dont want to ruin him. IMO (like just about anyone that has seen much of him) he is a class act who looks like an excellent NRL playing in the making, but I dont think his body is ready for NRL just yet, give him a fully year in NYC

We have adequate options at full back we dont need to rush him.

I actually think Benji Marshalls early injuries were related to being asked to do more than his body was ready for, cause he was so talented

Agree 100% Goose, good post!

And another 100% from me..well said.

 

[magpiecol]

I do not think that we need Moltzen anywhere in the side.

Very "iffy" under the high ball, ditto in defence, no passing game and no kicking game. That does not leave much to justify his inclusion.

Oh, yes, he does not know the rules re a completed tackle.

Open your eye col

3:13…..he can tackle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJi3yvg4QH0

He has a brilliant passing, ball playing game, he has not been allowed to use it though I recall late last year he put Lui in with some brilliant ball plying close to the line

He's fine under the bomb.

His confidence has ballooned, he seems to be having a go now which is where I found fault with him in the past, my opinion of him has changed dramatically...Im glad we retained him

I'm not. St. George have dodged a bullet.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Lets use a process of elimination.

Lets start with Fullback

Mitch Brown: I know there are a lot of Mitch Brown fans (including me) but Sheens showed last yr that he doesn't see him in the strongest 17\. So IMO you can rule him out

John Grant: No way will he start the yr at fullback

Tedseco: As others have said, still too young and Sheens would be unlikely to rush him

Humble: Bit of an unknown

Reddy: Possibly, however i've heard theres a chance Sheens will play him in the back-row. Bench utility is where id like to see him. Would save us from having to use a winger

Moltzen: The most likely IMO. The way he finished the yr last yr, im not sure why there is even talk of him playing anywhere else

which takes to halfbacks

Humble: Like i said an unknown. I know he had big wraps at Parra

Chisholm: Don't know too much about him, but a few people on here seem to think he has ability so we'll have to wait and see i guess

Miller: The man for the job IMO. Good kicking game and organzier. Having Marshall and Farah alongside him would allow him not to have to be the main man from the get go.

So Moltzen at 1 and Miller at 7 for me