If Taylor goes what then!

[Geo]

''“I’ve made some good friends here at the Club and I’m really on board with what the coaches are doing,” Seumanufagai said.''

Yeah, nothing about the coach 😕

Ayoub hasn't endorsed that comment yet so it's obviously crap.

What would you have expected him to say about the coach, he probably wants to play first grade !!
Then again, our NSW cup side would look good with Robbie and Ava both in it.

:laughing: This is funny…anything remotely positive from the players in regards to the Coach is laughed of as spin, towing the company line or he just wants to keep his place in the team yet stories of allegedly singing ditties on a Mad Monday are taken as gospel that the group can't stand the Coach,,,,

FWIW ...Seumanufagai had decent offers from a few Clubs including Bellemy's Storm...I expect if he didn't believe in what the Coaches were doing...he would have walked....

 

[Tiger_Watto]

''“I’ve made some good friends here at the Club and I’m really on board with what the coaches are doing,” Seumanufagai said.''

Yeah, nothing about the coach 😕

Ayoub hasn't endorsed that comment yet so it's obviously crap.

What would you have expected him to say about the coach, he probably wants to play first grade !!
Then again, our NSW cup side would look good with Robbie and Ava both in it.

:laughing: This is funny…anything remotely positive from the players in regards to the Coach is laughed of as spin, towing the company line or he just wants to keep his place in the team yet stories of allegedly singing ditties on a Mad Monday are taken as gospel that the group can't stand the Coach,,,,

FWIW ...Seumanufagai had decent offers from a few Clubs including Bellemy's Storm...I expect if he didn't believe in what the Coaches were doing...he would have walked....

Ava would of been a perfect fit for Bellamy… Hope he has another great year in 2016!!!

 

[Telltails]

The Taylor thing and the Farah thing is very much like labor/liberal or holden/ford, there are people in both camps who would not swap sides no matter what happened. As I have said a million times,we just can not keep flicking coaches every time we have a bad season and we have to get behind our coaches and let them see out their contract and than make a call, but I also respect other people who have a totally different view…that is what a forum is all about

Coaches have a very small window these days to achieve success. I maintain if any coach is not successful in moving their team out of a bottom four position after a two, maximum three year period then the likelihood of them keeping their job is minimal. This does not apply just at our club. If Taylors results remain the same or even similar as this year, then the club may see out his contract but they would be very unlikely to renew it. As for Taylor/Farah - I have always been pro Farah but not anti Taylor. However Taylor has created a situation that has forced fans into another divisive situation which the club could have well done without. With no outcome insight I question his judgement, and his ability to critically reflect on his own performance.

I am a supporter of Farah as a player but not as a leader or captain. I am a fence sitter as far as Taylor is concerned. I have a few of my own theories about why he has coached the way he has, and I've posted those previously. However I believe the Farah/coach pattern has repeated itself too many times to be a coincidence. As a result, I am no longer a Farah supporter as far as Wests Tigers go.
In my view, your statement about Taylor forcing fans into a divisive situation is completely incorrect. In doing his job as coach, Taylor freed a player from his contractual obligations for reasons unknown to us. That player and his agent then made a big public sob story out of the situation whereas Taylor did his job and then stayed out of the media.
So the divisive situation that club could have done without was created by the same player that created a divisive situation that club could have done without last year. The same player that snuck away under a fence to escape public scrutiny of his actions.

The way I see it. Farah is a specialist hooker and nothing else. The timing allowed him very few options to secure a contract in a Sydney club, his preferred option, and why should he settle for anything less when he has a binding contract with the club he wants to play for? Until it was made known that he was not in Taylors plans moving forward, there was little or no controversy surrounding Farah this year. The talk was more about how the halves had not progressed under Taylor, and how Farah had taken a step back to allow them more control. If anything there was more criticism directed at Taylor for the so called Taylor Ball approach. As soon as the announcement was made the assumption immediately became that Farah was causing trouble, ( unfounded) and every failure that the club has endured over the past ten years is attributed to him by his detractors - the club is damage control again. Unless there is an outcome soon, Taylor is left with a big problem - one that he created.

 

[stevetiger]

the assumption immediately became that Farah was causing trouble, ( unfounded) and every failure that the club has endured over the past ten years is attributed to him by his detractors - the club is damage control again.

This is what gets me. Where is the proof for these types of comments. Yes Robbie is now nowhere near the player he once was but I think with the right game plans and coaching you could still get good service from him.

I can also see JT and Robbie working together over the next couple of years. They must both want to win and surely they can work together on that basis.

 

[Snake]

:blush:

The Taylor thing and the Farah thing is very much like labor/liberal or holden/ford, there are people in both camps who would not swap sides no matter what happened. As I have said a million times,we just can not keep flicking coaches every time we have a bad season and we have to get behind our coaches and let them see out their contract and than make a call, but I also respect other people who have a totally different view…that is what a forum is all about

Coaches have a very small window these days to achieve success. I maintain if any coach is not successful in moving their team out of a bottom four position after a two, maximum three year period then the likelihood of them keeping their job is minimal. This does not apply just at our club. If Taylors results remain the same or even similar as this year, then the club may see out his contract but they would be very unlikely to renew it. As for Taylor/Farah - I have always been pro Farah but not anti Taylor. However Taylor has created a situation that has forced fans into another divisive situation which the club could have well done without. With no outcome insight I question his judgement, and his ability to critically reflect on his own performance.

I am a supporter of Farah as a player but not as a leader or captain. I am a fence sitter as far as Taylor is concerned. I have a few of my own theories about why he has coached the way he has, and I've posted those previously. However I believe the Farah/coach pattern has repeated itself too many times to be a coincidence. As a result, I am no longer a Farah supporter as far as Wests Tigers go.
In my view, your statement about Taylor forcing fans into a divisive situation is completely incorrect. In doing his job as coach, Taylor freed a player from his contractual obligations for reasons unknown to us. That player and his agent then made a big public sob story out of the situation whereas Taylor did his job and then stayed out of the media.
So the divisive situation that club could have done without was created by the same player that created a divisive situation that club could have done without last year. The same player that snuck away under a fence to escape public scrutiny of his actions.

The way I see it. Farah is a specialist hooker and nothing else. The timing allowed him very few options to secure a contract in a Sydney club, his preferred option, and why should he settle for anything less when he has a binding contract with the club he wants to play for? Until it was made known that he was not in Taylors plans moving forward, there was little or no controversy surrounding Farah this year. The talk was more about how the halves had not progressed under Taylor, and how Farah had taken a step back to allow them more control. If anything there was more criticism directed at Taylor for the so called Taylor Ball approach. As soon as the announcement was made the assumption immediately became that Farah was causing trouble, ( unfounded) and every failure that the club has endured over the past ten years is attributed to him by his detractors - the club is damage control again. Unless there is an outcome soon, Taylor is left with a big problem - one that he created.

Well it is an interesting statement that Taylor created this big problem, as the head coach he has decided to go in a different direction this happens all the time in all clubs and players at ever level so what is the problem!, this has been blown out of all proportions if Farah was as wonderful as some make out why has nobody returned Ayoubs calls ? do not use the cap as an excuse as clubs certainly get what they want if the desire is great enough .Some have short memories (causing trouble unfounded) I do believe our entire season last year was derailed by Mr Farahs dummy spit by not being man enough to accept criticism and move on .Maybe Taylor should be given a break as he seems to have what it takes to call out someone that every body else hid under a rock not to upset.I am by no means A Taylor supporter in fact I think he will struggle but I do give the guy my 100% support in this decision I what to see what he can do with Farah out of the club ,I have seen enough when he has not been to think things could turn around quickly ,Taylor is backing himself and good luck to him as it is refreshing to see after the spineless and faceless types we as supporters have had to endure over the years.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

''“I’ve made some good friends here at the Club and I’m really on board with what the coaches are doing,” Seumanufagai said.''

Yeah, nothing about the coach 😕

Ayoub hasn't endorsed that comment yet so it's obviously crap.

What would you have expected him to say about the coach, he probably wants to play first grade !!
Then again, our NSW cup side would look good with Robbie and Ava both in it.

I would have expected him not to have re-signed if he had a problem with the coaching.

Maybe he got a bigger deal to stay, no matter what anyone says, only he would know,
Maybe more likely is that he wants to play with mates, and/ or doesn't expect that Taylor will be here much longer !!!!

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

The Taylor thing and the Farah thing is very much like labor/liberal or holden/ford, there are people in both camps who would not swap sides no matter what happened. As I have said a million times,we just can not keep flicking coaches every time we have a bad season and we have to get behind our coaches and let them see out their contract and than make a call, but I also respect other people who have a totally different view…that is what a forum is all about

Couldn't we please have just one more????? :laughing:

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Maybe he got a bigger deal to stay, no matter what anyone says, only he would know,
Maybe more likely is that he wants to play with mates, and/ or doesn't expect that Taylor will be here much longer !!!!

Just what your argument needs, even more speculation. The only fact around Ava is that he re-signed, and made special mention of the coaching stuff as a reason why.

"…..But....but, he only re-signed because of his mates and under the assumption JT would be gone soon"

It's hilarious. A player leaves and he's "abandoning ship". No one wants to play under JT. They re-sign and it's only to play with their mates and in hope he's gone soon. You'll argue it in your favour no matter what happens.

 

[Newtown]

Maybe he got a bigger deal to stay, no matter what anyone says, only he would know,
Maybe more likely is that he wants to play with mates, and/ or doesn't expect that Taylor will be here much longer !!!!

Just what your argument needs, even more speculation. The only fact around Ava is that he re-signed, and made special mention of the coaching stuff as a reason why.

"…..But....but, he only re-signed because of his mates and under the assumption JT would be gone soon"

It's hilarious. A player leaves and he's "abandoning ship". No one wants to play under JT. They re-sign and it's only to play with their mates and in hope he's gone soon. You'll argue it in your favour no matter what happens.

Funny arguments going around at the moment - Sheens wins an award today and people say he doesn't deserve it because he sued the club due to his contract being cut short by approx. two years. Yet Farah could well end up sueing the club for similar circumstances and the same people booing Sheens will say that's O.K. for Farah.

 

[tiger_one]

Logic flies out the window sometimes.

If an employee has a binding contract with an employer, and it is then terminated contrary to the original agreement by the employer, there is a for a legal remedy available to the employee to recoup the lost salary - this is all that Coach Sheens did.

And this is what any fair-minded person would do.

It would appear that emotional response to "all the other stuff" has clouded some thoughts…...

(I can remember being at Leichhardt Oval the day after the grand final in '05, and Coach Sheens was up with there with the Second Coming, so euphoric were the Wests Tigers fans, lost in celebrations about the grand final victory........)

 

[Telltails]

Like I said - my problem with Taylor not so much about his first year of coaching with this club - more his judgement and decision to axe Farah as a result of a less than impressive performance of his own - and the manner in which it was done could very well result in ensuring Farah goes nowhere anyway! Dont know Farah at all, but threatening him with playing in reggies if he stays -and there has been plenty of time to deny that if untrue - was probably never going to end amicably.If in fact he wanted this to be a good outcome for Farah and the club that sort of approach was not very smart. Nice work JT

 

[sheer64]

Like I said - my problem with Taylor not so much about his first year of coaching with this club - more his judgement and decision to axe Farah as a result of a less than impressive performance of his own - and the manner in which it was done could very well result in ensuring Farah goes nowhere anyway! Dont know Farah at all, but threatening him with playing in reggies if he stays -and there has been plenty of time to deny that if untrue - was probably never going to end amicably.If in fact he wanted this to be a good outcome for Farah and the club that sort of approach was not very smart. Nice work JT

The only way it could of been handled any worse is if they duked it out!

 

[Snake]

Like I said - my problem with Taylor not so much about his first year of coaching with this club - more his judgement and decision to axe Farah as a result of a less than impressive performance of his own - and the manner in which it was done could very well result in ensuring Farah goes nowhere anyway! Dont know Farah at all, but threatening him with playing in reggies if he stays -and there has been plenty of time to deny that if untrue - was probably never going to end amicably.If in fact he wanted this to be a good outcome for Farah and the club that sort of approach was not very smart. Nice work JT

Do you realise why Farah is being moved on , watch how the dynamic changed in the team last game when a hooker played the Taylor way it was there for all to see.
And was the reggie comment made between 2 men and why was it made public ? Taylor was expressing his feelings on the subject , you do not play the way I want my hooker to play so if you want to stay I have no other option other than play you in the reggies ! So what is the problem, I think he was being honest …I would of said the same thing . Farah is certainly a fan favourite for many but the reality is the head coach of or club wants a hooker to play totally different and Farah does not want to .

 

[cqtiger]

I just hope that it is all sorted before November. If Farah returns for preseason training after all of this, then next year we will get the 'spoon'

A player staying after the coach announces that he wants him gone is going to create an awful atmosphere. It can't possibly work and there will be another split dressing room.

2 options: pay Taylor out or pay Farah out.

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[stevetiger]

Do you realise why Farah is being moved on , watch how the dynamic changed in the team last game when a hooker played the Taylor way it was there for all to see.

No offence but this is a pretty dumb comment. Robbie is still a good player. To somehow try and make out that if you play the way JT wants you to play then we will win games is pretty delusional especially based on JT's tactics this season.

And was the reggie comment made between 2 men and why was it made public ? Taylor was expressing his feelings on the subject , you do not play the way I want my hooker to play so if you want to stay I have no other option other than play you in the reggies ! So what is the problem, I think he was being honest …I would of said the same thing . Farah is certainly a fan favourite for many but the reality is the head coach of or club wants a hooker to play totally different and Farah does not want to .

This is just outright spin and it had nothing at all to do with playing JT's style.

I can see why moving Robbie on is the right idea. He isn't worth what we are paying him. I personally think its already backfired and was another poor JT decision. A good head coach would try and get the most out of the players that he has. JT managed to do this with Lawrence. He should have done this with Robbie as well.

 

[stevetiger]

I just hope that it is all sorted before November. If Farah returns for preseason training after all of this, then next year we will get the 'spoon'

A player staying after the coach announces that he wants him gone is going to create an awful atmosphere. It can't possibly work and there will be another split dressing room.

2 options: pay Taylor out or pay Farah out.

I disagree with this. They can kiss and make up. They should both be professional about the situation.

 

[Telltails]

Like I said - my problem with Taylor not so much about his first year of coaching with this club - more his judgement and decision to axe Farah as a result of a less than impressive performance of his own - and the manner in which it was done could very well result in ensuring Farah goes nowhere anyway! Dont know Farah at all, but threatening him with playing in reggies if he stays -and there has been plenty of time to deny that if untrue - was probably never going to end amicably.If in fact he wanted this to be a good outcome for Farah and the club that sort of approach was not very smart. Nice work JT

Do you realise why Farah is being moved on , watch how the dynamic changed in the team last game when a hooker played the Taylor way it was there for all to see.
And was the reggie comment made between 2 men and why was it made public ? Taylor was expressing his feelings on the subject , you do not play the way I want my hooker to play so if you want to stay I have no other option other than play you in the reggies ! So what is the problem, I think he was being honest …I would of said the same thing . Farah is certainly a fan favourite for many but the reality is the head coach of or club wants a hooker to play totally different and Farah does not want to .

Not sure I agree Snake. Really dont think Cherrington is ready to play eighty minutes in the top grade yet - and to suggest that Farah has no place in the first grade team at Wests Tigers not even coming off the bench - shows no respect for our club captain and current NSW hooker - like him or not. And while some are entitled to suggest Farahs best days may be behind him, I dont think another coach in the NRL would back Taylor in rating Farah as a reggies player.There are ethical and respectful ways to move players on, and again I question the judgement of Taylor based on the way this has been handled, to lead the club forward, considering also his underwhelming performance as our head coach.

 

[cqtiger]

I just hope that it is all sorted before November. If Farah returns for preseason training after all of this, then next year we will get the 'spoon'

A player staying after the coach announces that he wants him gone is going to create an awful atmosphere. It can't possibly work and there will be another split dressing room.

2 options: pay Taylor out or pay Farah out.

I disagree with this. They can kiss and make up. They should both be professional about the situation.

Steve, if that was the case I don't think that JT would have made this decision. To me something happened this year between them that can't be resolved, no matter what one or both may say. Farah is banking on JT relenting and I can't believe that Farah will change his game or attitude just to placate the coach.

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[NT_Tiger]

I just hope that it is all sorted before November. If Farah returns for preseason training after all of this, then next year we will get the 'spoon'

A player staying after the coach announces that he wants him gone is going to create an awful atmosphere. It can't possibly work and there will be another split dressing room.

2 options: pay Taylor out or pay Farah out.

I disagree with this. They can kiss and make up. They should both be professional about the situation.

Steve, if that was the case I don't think that JT would have made this decision. To me something happened this year between them that can't be resolved, no matter what one or both may say. Farah is banking on JT relenting and I can't believe that Farah will change his game or attitude just to placate the coach.

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Nor can I at this stage. Nice to think about earlier but too much water under the bridge now. I have a feeling it won't be pretty if Farah hangs around.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Maybe he got a bigger deal to stay, no matter what anyone says, only he would know,
Maybe more likely is that he wants to play with mates, and/ or doesn't expect that Taylor will be here much longer !!!!

Just what your argument needs, even more speculation. The only fact around Ava is that he re-signed, and made special mention of the coaching stuff as a reason why.

"…..But....but, he only re-signed because of his mates and under the assumption JT would be gone soon"

It's hilarious. A player leaves and he's "abandoning ship". No one wants to play under JT. They re-sign and it's only to play with their mates and in hope he's gone soon. You'll argue it in your favour no matter what happens.

What I stated is as likely to be the truth as anything that you have said about it.
He's not about to bake the Coach even if he thinks the worst coach he has ever seen, as he's seen what happens to anyone one who gets on the wrong side Taylor.

And speculation is what this whole 155 pages is all about. As you know no more than I , or anyone else here does . We are ALL speculating.
The only concrete fact is that, preseason training starts next month, and Farah will be there. Along with his legal contract. Whether he plays reserve grade is more speculation, as is whether Taylor lasts very long next season.
My guess is he won't last very long, but that's just complete speculation.