If the NRL is a business...

[Eddie]

GNR like or not Taylor has it all to prove as an NRL coach. No finals wins as a coach in 6 full seasons.

The fact he got sacked and knocked out at Souths and then came over here talking trash about defence, rubbishing other coaches and then have taken on a club legend like RF has not adhered him to all Tigers fans.

Even if you disagree with that you cant see why some Tigers fans cant stand him.

Mick Potter never had this crap written about him despite taking on RF. He had the support of i reckon about 75% of Tigers fans.

I wonder why? People saw him as a coach who didn't talk rubbish and stood for something.

People might disagree with me and thats fine, its just my take on it.

Potter had potential, but had the personality of Richie Cunningham. JT, like his mentor Brian Smith is ruthless. He might eventually be a sacrificial lamb, but i think the next coach will benefit from what he started. For the back half of this season you can't fault the sides attitude. We've showed better attitude over the last few months than we have in the last 5 years. Friday night was a write off, but overall we're heading in the right direction in that aspect.

Granted.

I think JT has done a decent job this year. I have said in countless thread i think he deserves another season.

But you wonder why some Tigers fans don't like him, and I am telling you why.

You can't dispute those things or at least you did not try to??

* He has not won a final in 6 years as a head coach
* He got sacked and knocked out by his own player at Souths
* He came in rubbishing our past coaches and promising to fix the defence
* He took a club legend in RF in a very ugly feud.
* He has finished 15th and around 10th in 2 years here.

You compare him to Brian Smith, maybe in style, but Brian Smith had runs on the board. Taylor does not as yet.

That is why some Tigers fans love getting stuck into him. They think who is this bloke talking smack, sacking our club legend, bagging our previous coaches, got knocked out at Souths, never won a semi final.

Im not saying it is nice or deserved but surely you can see why it happens ?!!?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

GNR like or not Taylor has it all to prove as an NRL coach. No finals wins as a coach in 6 full seasons.

The fact he got sacked and knocked out at Souths and then came over here talking trash about defence, rubbishing other coaches and then have taken on a club legend like RF has not adhered him to all Tigers fans.

Even if you disagree with that you cant see why some Tigers fans cant stand him.

Mick Potter never had this crap written about him despite taking on RF. He had the support of i reckon about 75% of Tigers fans.

I wonder why? People saw him as a coach who didn't talk rubbish and stood for something.

People might disagree with me and thats fine, its just my take on it.

Potter had potential, but had the personality of Richie Cunningham. JT, like his mentor Brian Smith is ruthless. He might eventually be a sacrificial lamb, but i think the next coach will benefit from what he started. For the back half of this season you can't fault the sides attitude. We've showed better attitude over the last few months than we have in the last 5 years. Friday night was a write off, but overall we're heading in the right direction in that aspect.

Granted.

I think JT has done a decent job this year. I have said in countless thread i think he deserves another season.

But you wonder why some Tigers fans don't like him, and I am telling you why.

You can't dispute those things or at least you did not try to??

* He has not won a final in 6 years as a head coach
* He got sacked and knocked out by his own player at Souths
* He came in rubbishing our past coaches and promising to fix the defence
* He took a club legend in RF in a very ugly feud.
* He has finished 15th and around 10th in 2 years here.

You compare him to Brian Smith, maybe in style, but Brian Smith had runs on the board. Taylor does not as yet.

I won't argue that the dislike for JT on the forum isn't valid. While i might not agree, i can at least understand it (Except for the odd occasions where its really petty and clearly personal). I do think for a lot of supporters though who aren't as educated in following the game and are casual are sheep who dislike him just because they don't know any better.

 

[Eddie]

While I agree some supporters are way over the top and it seems like their personal goal to rubbish him in every thread i disagree they are casual fans. Like it or not some just have just decided to take sides on the RF issue.

The only way it stops is if JT wins football games and make finals. If he does not he is going to always be a divisive figure at this club I feel.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

While I agree some supporters are way over the top and it seems like their personal goal to rubbish him in every thread i disagree they are casual fans. Like it or not some just have just decided to take sides on the RF issue.

The only way it stops is if JT wins football games and make finals. If he does not he is going to always be a divisive figure at this club I feel.

I don't think people on here are casuals. On other social media like FB they certainly are. Reading the official WT's page is headache inducing whether you agree with what people say or not.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

On Ballin, he should have been good to go for round 1, but had complications in his recovery. He should be fit for round 1 next yr. He'll mentor Liddle and Liddle will take the reigns in 2018.

A

Ballin??
Who's he.
Oh that's right , he visited us here for a few minutes sometime earlier this year,
One of the clubs greats.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

On Ballin, he should have been good to go for round 1, but had complications in his recovery. He should be fit for round 1 next yr. He'll mentor Liddle and Liddle will take the reigns in 2018.

A

Ballin??
Who's he.
Oh that's right , he visited us here for a few minutes sometime earlier this year,
One of the clubs greats.

You sound like you have something against him….

I wonder why...

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

On Ballin, he should have been good to go for round 1, but had complications in his recovery. He should be fit for round 1 next yr. He'll mentor Liddle and Liddle will take the reigns in 2018.

A

Ballin??
Who's he.
Oh that's right , he visited us here for a few minutes sometime earlier this year,
One of the clubs greats.

You sound like you have something against him….

I wonder why...

got nothing against him
Im just not sure he exists
he was in and out so fast that I never got to say hello
But if you say he'l be back , I'm sure he will Be.
Hope he's got the address of training on his GPSso he can find the place again.

 

[jadtiger]

On Ballin, he should have been good to go for round 1, but had complications in his recovery. He should be fit for round 1 next yr. He'll mentor Liddle and Liddle will take the reigns in 2018.[/
you speak as if you know about Ballin for next year but there are massive doubts if he will play next year.If that is the case then he will a terrible waste of money along with sattler and cayless

 

[GNR4LIFE]

On Ballin, he should have been good to go for round 1, but had complications in his recovery. He should be fit for round 1 next yr. He'll mentor Liddle and Liddle will take the reigns in 2018.[/
you speak as if you know about Ballin for next year but there are massive doubts if he will play next year.If that is the case then he will a terrible waste of money along with sattler and cayless

I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't play again, but i haven't heard anything to suggest it.

 

[stevied]

GNR like or not Taylor has it all to prove as an NRL coach. No finals wins as a coach in 6 full seasons.

The fact he got sacked and knocked out at Souths and then came over here talking trash about defence, rubbishing other coaches and then have taken on a club legend like RF has not adhered him to all Tigers fans.

Even if you disagree with that you cant see why some Tigers fans cant stand him.

Mick Potter never had this crap written about him despite taking on RF. He had the support of i reckon about 75% of Tigers fans.

I wonder why? People saw him as a coach who didn't talk rubbish and stood for something.

People might disagree with me and thats fine, its just my take on it.

Potter had potential, but had the personality of Richie Cunningham. JT, like his mentor Brian Smith is ruthless. He might eventually be a sacrificial lamb, but i think the next coach will benefit from what he started. For the back half of this season you can't fault the sides attitude. We've showed better attitude over the last few months than we have in the last 5 years. Friday night was a write off, but overall we're heading in the right direction in that aspect.

I agree with this. The team's attitude has definitely begun to turn around and the Panthers game was an aberration. Taylor is not a perfect coach. We all know that from his questionable team selections, dodgy strategic decisions and questionable man management skills. However, I think he is learning on the job and seems to have the support of the majority of the playing group. It is this last factor that will keep him at the club next year. The Tigers cannot afford to sack him and look for another, more expensive replacement. Regarding Farah, his continued presence at the club is untenable and it's going to cost the club a lot of wasted money to move him on. Sad and financially diabolical but it has to happen.

 

[stevetiger]

Taylor is not a perfect coach. We all know that from his questionable team selections, dodgy strategic decisions and questionable man management skills. However, I think he is learning on the job and seems to have the support of the majority of the playing group. It is this last factor that will keep him at the club next year. The Tigers cannot afford to sack him and look for another, more expensive replacement. Regarding Farah, his continued presence at the club is untenable and it's going to cost the club a lot of wasted money to move him on. Sad and financially diabolical but it has to happen.

This is pretty good analysis. I don't understand how any rational person can state Taylor has been a good coach. He has made so many mistakes it's not funny. The positive is that he does appear to be learning on the job and hopefully the mistakes happen less and less often.

The Robbie debacle is beyond ordinary and I think it should be fixed but I can't see it happening.

 

[TrueTiger]

The NRL is certainly a business,and a big one at that….the main factor in being successful is you must have business models and structures in place within your own business,by this I mean,there are NRL owned clubs and there are stand alone clubs...the NRL will prop up a club to keep it within the NRL confines,take our club for example,we had help from the NRL in the form of monetary help and have to pay it back,what now has to happen is that our club has to work hard to pay back the loan as well as becoming an independant club financing itself,we have the Wests group owning a majority of the club and Balmain a much smaller contribution,however all things have to be accounted for and managed responsibly ..
Most of us can recall the turmoil that has engrossed our club because of squandering money on non performing players or back ending other contracted players to keep them at the club,without going into everything in fine detail,the club now has to make hard desicions to get the club back to a positive trading entity...in a very simplistic scenario...
If your LIABILITIES OUTWAY YOUR ASSETS,then it makes for a very unprofitable business ready to close the doors,I know we are not in that situation because we have a very large financial backing as already stated,however,they will expect positive returns for their investments..if you look at what I have said,the salary cap and other contractual agreements have left us without enough money to recruit higher quality players,but once the cap is in order we will be in a much better position financially and it all takes time and good management,as many a good business owner will tell you,you have your ups and downs,hard times and good times,however if you work hard you end up a very good commodity trading in the black,this I feel is the main concern from within our most senior management and I feel,although things seem very slow at the moment and sometimes we see no end,it will come and we have to be patient,support the team and club and try and stay positive.......

 

[matchball]

Oh god. The Jt being knocked out by thug Faalogo raises it head again.
Faalogo is a career thug. His history for king hitting weak people is documented for all to see.
He was a victim of assault and should have pressed charges, not celebrated.

 

[diedpretty]

On Ballin, he should have been good to go for round 1, but had complications in his recovery. He should be fit for round 1 next yr. He'll mentor Liddle and Liddle will take the reigns in 2018.

Great …..another year of developing another junior :unamused:

Yes, it's nuts when you think that Cherry was already ripe for the picking! :laughing: I would still like to know why he was allowed to leave - I was really looking forward to seeing what a spine of Tedesco, Moses, Brooks and Cherrington could do.

Maybe we will have to drool over Penriths spine instead - Moylan, Martin, Cleary and Cherrington.

 

[diedpretty]

Sorry - forgot Cherry went to Cronulla

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

But you wonder why some Tigers fans don't like him, and I am telling you why.

You can't dispute those things or at least you did not try to??

* He has not won a final in 6 years as a head coach
* He got sacked and knocked out by his own player at Souths
* He came in rubbishing our past coaches and promising to fix the defence
* He took a club legend in RF in a very ugly feud.
* He has finished 15th and around 10th in 2 years here.

That's a lot of detail for an average fan to weigh up and come up with a view. For a minority, I think there is a much more simpler reason for not liking him.

 

[tigers2005]

But you wonder why some Tigers fans don't like him, and I am telling you why.

You can't dispute those things or at least you did not try to??

* He has not won a final in 6 years as a head coach
* He got sacked and knocked out by his own player at Souths
* He came in rubbishing our past coaches and promising to fix the defence
* He took a club legend in RF in a very ugly feud.
* He has finished 15th and around 10th in 2 years here.

That's a lot of detail for an average fan to weigh up and come up with a view. For a minority, I think there is a much more simpler reason for not liking him.

Thank you Eddie. Id add to that

- non-accountability of non performing players (eg. our pathetic right hand side defence)
- playing favourites who shouldnt be there
- players out of position (lovett in centres, rankin all over the place)

I dont think Farah should have been dropped, but i can understand the business side to it. What i cant understand is not replacing him with a hooker (cherrington). With re-shuffling half our team to give your makeshift hooker a rest. Its craziness. While i think the hate on farah by the majority is very personal, i think the majority of criticism of JT is based on what Eddie said and a few of my points.

 

[Russell]

This is like comparing apples and oranges.

Its like saying you get rid of the two guys that collect the garbage who are on $40K and not their boss who is on $100K. Its cheaper.

But then who collects the garbage?…....

You don't , you recycle !
Make Farah coach , save $950k off the cap !
It's a win /win :smiley:

You are funny Hobbo - the coach is not on the cap to start with. So you save nothing cap wise and employ a coach that has never coached before. Well thought out idea.

That should get us in the eight next year for sure Lol.

 

[Russell]

GNR like or not Taylor has it all to prove as an NRL coach. No finals wins as a coach in 6 full seasons.

The fact he got sacked and knocked out at Souths and then came over here talking trash about defence, rubbishing other coaches and then have taken on a club legend like RF has not adhered him to all Tigers fans.

Even if you disagree with that you cant see why some Tigers fans cant stand him.

Mick Potter never had this crap written about him despite taking on RF. He had the support of i reckon about 75% of Tigers fans.

I wonder why? People saw him as a coach who didn't talk rubbish and stood for something.

People might disagree with me and thats fine, its just my take on it.

Eddie I disagree on this occasion, and as you say "that is fine" - I liked Potter but maybe there were 75 per cent of fans supporting him, but unfortunately there were 75 per cent of the players against him. JT seems to have the support of management and most of the players. Hopefully this will lead to a much improved WT in 2017.