Information Session for Magpie Members

[batboy]

Wests could disolve the Wests Tigers agreement which would hand the NRL license back to the NRL

The Wests Tigers are one of the BIGGEST teams in the NRL… And one of the most watched on Television!! A TV rights cash cow....
Do you think the NRL would let anyone take that away???
If Wests were to dissolve the partnership... Rest Assured the Tigers would survive/evolve in some entity. The only thing that Wests would effectively be doing is handing over any say over the Tigers at all. They don't own any more than Balmain, in some way the Tigers would survive... Maybe even still be called Wests Tigers. The ground work is already done out West, we have a team of Superstars... A Premiership, Legions of fans and Acres of kids lining up to be the next Benji Marshall.
Nothing the Wests group do or say can take any of this away...In Dissolving the partnership and handing the license back to the NRL, Will leave them short one team....
What makes you think Wests Tigers won't get it back and continue with buisness as usual.

 

[galahs]

Wests could disolve the Wests Tigers agreement which would hand the NRL license back to the NRL

As a Wests tragic growing up if they did this I would never forgive them and the Wests Magpies would be dead to me . Seriously .

Haha you're right they would be dead to you. Because if they ever did this, Wests Magpies would also be extinct.
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I don't think they would do this. I was just saying that ultimately they could.

 

[galahs]

Wests could disolve the Wests Tigers agreement which would hand the NRL license back to the NRL

The Wests Tigers are one of the BIGGEST teams in the NRL… And one of the most watched on Television!! A TV rights cash cow....
Do you think the NRL would let anyone take that away???
If Wests were to dissolve the partnership... Rest Assured the Tigers would survive/evolve in some entity. The only thing that Wests would effectively be doing is handing over any say over the Tigers at all. They don't own any more than Balmain, in some way the Tigers would survive... Maybe even still be called Wests Tigers. The ground work is already done out West, we have a team of Superstars... A Premiership, Legions of fans and Acres of kids lining up to be the next Benji Marshall.
Nothing the Wests group do or say can take any of this away...In Dissolving the partnership and handing the license back to the NRL, Will leave them short one team....
What makes you think Wests Tigers won't get it back and continue with buisness as usual.

The Tigers wouldn't necessarily survive.
Firstly Balmain are broke, so they can't pay for a team and even if they weren't, the NRL could easily give the license to the Central Coast, Perth, Brisbane etc etc

The Bulldogs move their territory to include Campbelltown and in 10 years time everyone has moved on.

 

[happy_tiger]

Wests could disolve the Wests Tigers agreement which would hand the NRL license back to the NRL

As a Wests tragic growing up if they did this I would never forgive them and the Wests Magpies would be dead to me . Seriously .

Haha you're right they would be dead to you. Because if they ever did this, Wests Magpies would also be extinct.
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I don't think they would do this. I was just saying that ultimately they could.

Sorry Galah wasn't trying to shoot the messenger
It would just amaze me when I look at where Wests finished in 99 and to where we are (and I mean we as Tigers and Magpies and anyone else who has joined in the meantime) now and why would they want to go backwards
I know that I don't thats for sure . And I hope all Balmain fans feel the same way also
1 club 1 future and leave the past in the past

 

[batboy]

Mate… This really is hypothetical at the extreme!!
I'm sure WESTS TIGERS could find the coin for said Licence... On thier own!!
The WESTS TIGERS are a proven entity in the NRL.... Getting stronger and Stronger every year!!
Why would the NRL take a punt on a new team that will take 10 years to get to where we are.
Wests Tigers are here to stay my friend... Regardless of what the Wests side of the merger throw at them.

Wests could disolve the Wests Tigers agreement which would hand the NRL license back to the NRL

The Wests Tigers are one of the BIGGEST teams in the NRL… And one of the most watched on Television!! A TV rights cash cow....
Do you think the NRL would let anyone take that away???
If Wests were to dissolve the partnership... Rest Assured the Tigers would survive/evolve in some entity. The only thing that Wests would effectively be doing is handing over any say over the Tigers at all. They don't own any more than Balmain, in some way the Tigers would survive... Maybe even still be called Wests Tigers. The ground work is already done out West, we have a team of Superstars... A Premiership, Legions of fans and Acres of kids lining up to be the next Benji Marshall.
Nothing the Wests group do or say can take any of this away...In Dissolving the partnership and handing the license back to the NRL, Will leave them short one team....
What makes you think Wests Tigers won't get it back and continue with buisness as usual.

The Tigers wouldn't necessarily survive.
Firstly Balmain are broke, so they can't pay for a team and even if they weren't, the NRL could easily give the license to the Central Coast, Perth, Brisbane etc etc

The Bulldogs move their territory to include Campbelltown and in 10 years time everyone has moved on.

 

[wtfl1981]

WT will not be dissolving nor will the JV interests. We have a strong modern team to support and we are ALL here becase of that. As mentioned in my previous posts is some better recognition of the 'wests brand' within WT. That is all! Heartstrings are pulled when it comes to both 1908 clubs and their junior rep teams possibly dissolving into extinction or rebranded under WT.
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[Staks]

Why are people stating it as Wests Group. No chance that Wests Ashfield or Campbelltown would agree to any legal crap. It is afterall the strained relationships of WSDRLFC over the past decade that have led to the current situation.

50% of the NRL licence is owned by the so called Wests Group. From memory the football club only supplies one out of the five directors to the Wests Tigers. Also haven't Ashfield taken over the running of the football club anyway…

 

[cunno]

My understanding, and I stand to be corrected, is that Wests Ashfield provide the funding for the state cup team, they haven't committed to 2012\. They don't run the football club. Wests Campbelltown appear to be sided with Wests Tigers and Wests Ashfield may also be heading in the same direction. In the meantime the Magpies are interested in fielding junior rep teams under the Magpie banner along with state cup and also expanding connections with Group 6\. No decisions about splitting the joint venture or allowing St George players to play in the state cup team have been made as far as I have heard (but I don't profess to know the ins and outs) there appears to be a fair amount of politics involved leading to a lack of communication between the parties and subsequent beliefs that some parties are being shut out. Maybe, it would be useful for someone with a positive interest and influence to step in and get the parties talking to resolve differences, clear the air and set a way forward that provides a compromise for all parties. From what I hear and read 99.9% of people support Wests Tigers existance and success. There is also a high percentage of people who would like to see this success coupled with a recognition of the foundation clubs and providing a number of pathways for all of our juniors to have a shot at making the NRL.

 

[galahs]

Staks, we have a committee that will be organising legal advice (fully funded by members, not the club) if we are forced to defend ourselves.

Hopefully common sense will prevail and we will all work together as one. Wests Magpies, Balmain Tigers, and Wests Tigers all doing what is best for rugby league.

 

[Yossarian]

Wests could disolve the Wests Tigers agreement which would hand the NRL license back to the NRL

The Wests Tigers are one of the BIGGEST teams in the NRL… And one of the most watched on Television!! A TV rights cash cow....
Do you think the NRL would let anyone take that away???
If Wests were to dissolve the partnership... Rest Assured the Tigers would survive/evolve in some entity. The only thing that Wests would effectively be doing is handing over any say over the Tigers at all. They don't own any more than Balmain, in some way the Tigers would survive... Maybe even still be called Wests Tigers. The ground work is already done out West, we have a team of Superstars... A Premiership, Legions of fans and Acres of kids lining up to be the next Benji Marshall.
Nothing the Wests group do or say can take any of this away...In Dissolving the partnership and handing the license back to the NRL, Will leave them short one team....
What makes you think Wests Tigers won't get it back and continue with buisness as usual.

As you suggest, I think the most likely scenario (in the event Wests "handed" in their share) would be the NRL granted a license to a new WT group with its own membership, juniors, and assets. Personally I think the NRL would welcome this eventuality.

 

[1_4_chicken_chips]

Wests could disolve the Wests Tigers agreement which would hand the NRL license back to the NRL

And that would play straight into a certain Billionaires hands.Mere pocket money.
Enjoy what we have or move on.Western Suburbs or Balmain were never going to win a premiership .
Wests Tigers have 1 , and went very close to a 2nd last season,so enjoy the ride or go to another amusement park.

 

[Snake]

Staks, we have a committee that will be organising legal advice (fully funded by members, not the club) if we are forced to defend ourselves.

Hopefully common sense will prevail and we will all work together as one. Wests Magpies, Balmain Tigers, and Wests Tigers all doing what is best for rugby league.

Be careful what you wish for mate.. the NRL will not let the Weststigers die..when the new Tv rights deal comes on line the Weststigers will need no money from the Wests side not that there getting all that much now . What will happen is the Magpie will be lifted of the jersey and the entity of the Weststigers will continue and then all the fossils at the Wests Magpies and that club will dissappear forever .I supported the Magpies from the 1st game they played at Lidcombe oval ..was a season ticket holder for over ten years at Campbelltown and I watched as these mental geniuses destroyed what once was a great club!!! Lets take Legal action talk about a lot of garbage go right ahead as nothing obviously has changed!!!

 

[galahs]

The Magpies have every right to take legal action if the Wests Tigers try to dissolve them without their consent.

 

[galahs]

can I add to that, the solution is simple.

Give the Magpies a fair go, work out a way we can work together to do what is best for Rugby League and the Wests Tigers and everyone will be happy.

 

[alien]

Both sides of the joint-venture agreed in 1999 to keep the NSW Cup teams seperate, but now one side of the joint venture (Balmain) wants to change the agreement, and it's all because they have gone broke and can't afford their own NSW Cup team. Their stupid thinking is "well if we can't have our own NSW Cup team then Wests shouldn't be able to either." GET STUFFED!

Wests Leagues Club in Ashfield and Campbelltown definitely make enough profit each year to stay alive if they choose to and they should. The Wests Magpies SG Ball team and Harold Matthews team should stay as Wests Magpies aswell. There's no need to merge Wests and Balmain in the lower grades.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

_**"Both sides of the joint-venture agreed in 1999 to keep the NSW Cup teams seperate, but now one side of the joint venture (Balmain) wants to change the agreement"**_

Alien, I think you will find this isnt correct and Its got nothing to do with Balmain… From what I'm reading and hearing, its the 'Wests Tigers' who want one team playing under one banner.

The scenario at hand is clearly Western Suburbs vs Wests Tigers. The dissapointing part for you is, that like many others on here, you support both teams and this is will be a confusing/frustrating time.

Now... Where will you be sitting on Sunday? I dont want to get stuck seated behind your banner!!! :smiley:

 

[happy_tiger]

Both sides of the joint-venture agreed in 1999 to keep the NSW Cup teams seperate, but now one side of the joint venture (Balmain) wants to change the agreement, and it's all because they have gone broke and can't afford their own NSW Cup team. Their stupid thinking is "well if we can't have our own NSW Cup team then Wests shouldn't be able to either." GET STUFFED!

Wests Leagues Club in Ashfield and Campbelltown definitely make enough profit each year to stay alive if they choose to and they should. The Wests Magpies SG Ball team and Harold Matthews team should stay as Wests Magpies aswell. There's no need to merge Wests and Balmain in the lower grades.

So it sounds like you and other Wests supporters will quite happily attempt to bring the Wests Tigers down when you vote whether to attack the Tigers and try and give the Licence back to the NRL
Sure that won't create in instability in the playing roster and their performances if anything remotely close to what some Wests supporters are suggesting on this forum occurs
And then the same Wests Tigers supporters will be bagging their performances on this Forum and won't understand why they are not playing well
Unbelieveable

 

[system]

Alien misses the key point in all of this.

The true schism is between Wests Ashfield and Campbelltown and WSJDRL. The former has the money and is aligned so to speak with Wests Tigers, the latter is the same as virtually every junior league district and broke.

To bring legal action on behalf of the Wests Group without the backing of 2/3 of the Wests Group will be interesting to say the least.

Anyway in terms of this issue I am done. I am always happy to have a rational discussion with guys like Bug who are passionate about WT but want to address the disparity they view in terms of recognition. But this court nonsense is just that because if this matter were taken to court I can guarantee that the loser, regardless of the court decision, will be the Western Suburbs brand

 

[happy_tiger]

Alien misses the key point in all of this.

The true schism is between Wests Ashfield and Campbelltown and WSJDRL. The former has the money and is aligned so to speak with Wests Tigers, the latter is the same as virtually every junior league district and broke.

To bring legal action on behalf of the Wests Group without the backing of 2/3 of the Wests Group will be interesting to say the least.

Anyway in terms of this issue I am done. I am always happy to have a rational discussion with guys like Bug who are passionate about WT but want to address the disparity they view in terms of recognition. But this court nonsense is just that because if this matter were taken to court I can guarantee that the loser, regardless of the court decision, will be the Western Suburbs brand

Actually Smeg Yes the brand will be affected but more importantly it will be the fans that are affected most
The same fans who are mostly happy with how the JV has played out so far and now can at least see a future where with the Magpies (or Balmain) the future was unsure at best and probably would end with tragedy
If the Wests fans who want to go on with court action and the like want their last memories of a great and distinguished club going through legal mumbo jumbo and losing (and dying) go right ahead .
But Happy will NEVER forgive any of you for it and will hold you in complete contempt forever more onwards

 

[Centaur]

One thing I definitely agree with Alien on is the merging of the Harold Matts and SG Ball squads. This would be a big mistake in my opinion. Wouldn't the merging of these junior rep sides see them move out of Campbelltown?

Just one of the key strategic relationships that could break down as a result of this would be the one between Western Suburbs/Wests Tigers and St Gregs - the rugby league nursery which over the past couple of years has finally started to place an emphasis on nurturing league talent. Some kids are sent from regional areas to board at Gregs to play league - and they are filtered into the Wests junior rep system to play on weekends. Groat, Jono Wright (Dogs) and Stuart Flanagan (Sharks) are just a few names from recent times that come to mind.