Inside look into Tigers Management/Negotiations

[Swordy]

Oh my lord. I just listened to this podcast and the only thing that comes to mind is what a complete wannabe flog.

If that's your take then you must love losing. Do you dream of failure? If you can't see what's plainly obvious to most then so be it.

Thank you.

 

[tigerman 0]

Oh my lord. I just listened to this podcast and the only thing that comes to mind is what a complete wannabe flog.

If that's your take then you must love losing. Do you dream of failure? If you can't see what's plainly obvious to most then so be it.

Thank you.

And what exactly have you done to try and help the club?

 

[Demps]

Oh my lord. I just listened to this podcast and the only thing that comes to mind is what a complete wannabe flog.

If that's your take then you must love losing. Do you dream of failure? If you can't see what's plainly obvious to most then so be it.

Thank you.

And what exactly have you done to try and help the club?

What have you done?

 

[cochise]

Oh my lord. I just listened to this podcast and the only thing that comes to mind is what a complete wannabe flog.

If that's your take then you must love losing. Do you dream of failure? If you can't see what's plainly obvious to most then so be it.

Thank you.

And what exactly have you done to try and help the club?

Is that the level we are going to now?

 

[Needaname]

Oh my lord. I just listened to this podcast and the only thing that comes to mind is what a complete wannabe flog.

Why would you want to be a flog?
I don’t think anyone has that as their future aspiration. Your either a flog or not. Wanting to be a flog. That’s just subjective.

 

[yeahcaz]

Jeez spot the cranky old losers getting mad for the sake of getting mad

 

[innsaneink]

I don't think AT is blowing his own trumpet as some here are suggesting... Just a fan with probably more contacts than most of us frustrated at losing our best players and all the rest of it that being a WTs is.... This all began seven or eight years ago so I doubt some sort of fame or glory or ego has anything to do with it... What he says is mostly true
I remember cringing when reading WTs come out publically saying theyed done their research and TPJ wasn't for us.... Only to backflip later on... And all the rest of it
I remember sheens himself using Penrith to get himself.a.better deal/extended deal.here... The club crapped themselves then.too
Ita been a. Long time. Since I've been. Proud. Of. My club

 

[Swordy]

Oh my lord. I just listened to this podcast and the only thing that comes to mind is what a complete wannabe flog.

If that's your take then you must love losing. Do you dream of failure? If you can't see what's plainly obvious to most then so be it.

Thank you.

And what exactly have you done to try and help the club?

Thank you for the response but don't get all worked up mate. It's just footy.

 

[hank37w]

Yep. I had a listen to it yesterday. The biggest thing that struck me was the gap we have around attracting players. He could easily provide a selling point for a potential recruit to head to other clubs (eg Manly, Cronulla or Bondi to be near the beach, Panthers because of the pride in the community, Bulldogs a traditional powerhouse) but struggled to think of what our unique selling point was.

Our unique selling point to attract players would be having September off each year on full pay.

 

[Needaname]

Yep. I had a listen to it yesterday. The biggest thing that struck me was the gap we have around attracting players. He could easily provide a selling point for a potential recruit to head to other clubs (eg Manly, Cronulla or Bondi to be near the beach, Panthers because of the pride in the community, Bulldogs a traditional powerhouse) but struggled to think of what our unique selling point was.

Our unique selling point to attract players would be having September off each year on full pay.

Didn’t work out for us last year and this year.
Must go to explain the recruiting dry spell

 

[hank37w]

Never said it worked, just that it was our unique selling point.

 

[tiger_one]

"............................> Ita been a. Long time. Since I've been. Proud. Of. My club"

I was there with you Ink, I remember that day well.

 

[old_man_tiger]

I only heard 5 minutes, more because of work rather than any issue with the speaker. At the end of the day if you have the cash and CEOs come to you when they want something then you are no longer in the bitter fan category. I reserve that for people like myself who have no money and no direct experience with the club.

If the club can't improve based on feedback then they have the wrong people in exec positions. Let me qualify that. Jeff Bezos, sure he can tell Trippa to get stuffed. Justin Pascoe can hardly look at the results of his organisation and say that the business as a whole (sorry, that includes football) has achieved stellar results. Yes he has done a good job in marketing, probably has a great CFO or is a gun himself, has gotten the COE happening, no denying it. On balance though, as a club we have failed given the business we are in. The only people who should be happy about a profit are the board of Wests Ashfield, it is absolute BS to suggest that matters to fans, who are not shareholders. The only possible argument for putting profits up as a defence is that you can reinvest and improve on field performance. Well, how has that gone?

Most concerning is the lack of quality recruitment, failed football department appointments and the widening of the gap between us and real clubs.

 

[Wounded_magpie]

I remember sheens himself using Penrith to get himself.a.better deal/extended deal.here... The club crapped themselves then.too

I forgot about that.
We are slow learners

 

[twentyforty]

Happy to see this thread. Great listen. It really just highlighted the fears that I had about Pascoe and the organisation in general. The guy has to go.

It’s not Pascoe in isolation, he is competent in his role. It’s the management structure in general and the lack of focus and attention in regard to what i would call the ‘football operations’ department.

Our management has identified a gap. Hence the appointment of Sheens.

But I am concerned that we have asked Sheens to head up this division with no actual structure in place and no plan of how that division should operate.


From what I can understand, there have been a number of new positions created with appointments prior to the Sheens appointment.
I’m still stuck on the way Pascoe publicly introduced Sheens’ appointment. His job description was vague. It sounded like “hey Sheens has agreed to come back, we just need to agree on what his tasks and areas of responsibility are.”
If they knew, they weren’t saying, or they didn’t know? Take your pick? I think they didn’t know and still don’t because now he has a new job title?
It’s hard to know what’s going on ?
The usual practice when developing an organisation is to chart positions with job descriptions according to the needs of its overall objectives. Then you look for people to fill those roles. It may take time to find the right people, but when you do that’s when the magic happens, as those people interact with each other and roles are modified in accordance with consideration to the strengths of each person.
I realise many organisations have opted to find people first , then find a job for them, but taking that literally is hit and miss and takes too long imo.

We are quite literally 10years behind the Panthers.
Gus even said we won’t see the benefit of this till 2030. I don’t know Sheens personally nor Gus but I am asking to the forum if anyone does because as stated above the club has decided to get Sheens back to the club just to be involved. Become a mr football if you like and solve all the problems.

Is anyone confident that Sheens has equal experience to do this, just as Penrith did in 2011 when Gus was appointed as General Manager of Football. There was no title of that nature before that. Now a lot of clubs have jumped on board and appointed similar people in a similar role, us included. But this was also Hartigans position and despite his supporters I don’t see enough in his resume to confirm he was the person we needed to appoint for such an ‘encompassing’ role.

It’s been said many times that we have players who are just happy to play nrl, be known as an nrl player, that’s their apex destination.
What if our decision makers are of the same mindset?
What if our CEO, Chair, fellow board members share that mindset ? It makes sense to me that culture is driven from the top down and as such changing 2 or 3 players, a coach is not going to fix the problem. When the coach moves on we are left with the culture driven decisions.
We don’t need any more proof of this.
We turn good players into ordinary ones.
We can’t hang onto our home bred talent who become champions at other clubs.
How many of our decent players have left angry with us?
I know it’s a nice cliche, one man can make a difference, but when he’s up against the odds?
Sheens didn’t survive last time he tried to change things?

I guess you could use Maguire in that same example and I’d even extend the scenario out to Bennett; who has been quite public in his thoughts regarding successful teams and successful organisations.

It’s often argued Madge didn’t change Souths it was the injection of Russell and Holmes a court Richardson and the influence of Sattler, Piggins etc, not to mention a few handy players.

On that assessment alone you look at the two clubs and can see for yourself. Since Russell and Holmes a court and Shane Richardson have been involved with the reshaping of the South Sydney football organisation as a whole.
The Rabbitohs have made the finals under 4 of the 5 coaches that have been appointed since 2007.

Well you could include Maguire. I haven’t because he’s one of a few displaying some kind of killer instinct.
I would be surprised if you offered Bennett the same remuneration pkg he’s on now if he would come to the WT, similarly, I can’t see him going to the Broncos for the same reason.

 

[happy_tiger]

Listened to the podcast and thoroughly enjoyed it.
To me he raised some good points and said some stuff I wasn’t aware of.
Left me feeing worse about the club in general tbh but I enjoyed it nonetheless.

By his own admission he doesn’t know the ins and outs of the club or how it runs.
In saying that i really enjoyed his passion.

He did lose me somewat when he was talking about throwing big money at big name players.
Um.... that’s part of why we are in this mess.

Reynolds, Packer, Matulino etc were all recruited on big money and didn’t work out.
So why should be throw big overs on more players? I think he’s incorrect in all of that

Because none of those players were really that good. Comparing them to some of the others we’ve been linked to like pangai, finucane, Addo carr is apples and oranges.

The club constantly coming out saying we don’t wanna pay overs because we’ve been burned before is just a bloody cop out for how poor the recruitment is. You pay overs for a Brandon smith, a Joey manu, Harry grant etc.
letting past failures dictate our future dealings is just weak. Bulldogs paid overs for Burton and Fox and now they’re better off

We do not know that yet.

Blind Freddy could tell you that give me a break

Holding the Bulldogs up as some statue to good recruitment is stupid, they have burnt their cap and are short a hooker, half and a decent fullback. They may hit the bottom of the 8 but there is not growth from there unless they find some extremely talented juniors as their cap money is gone for the next 3-4 years.

They’ve just lost Elliot and Lewis, plus if Gould has his way Faitala Mariner will be medically retired by the start of next season , he will have their cap sorted quicker than we can fix the mess at our club. Not to mention 3 places signed on 1 year deals, if players like Vaughan, dufty and Asiata bust, they can punt them almost right away.

They saved 2 months pay on Lewis so that doesn't help with anything, Elliot was a lucky break for them.

Who is their Hooker? Who is their half? They are lucky they got Dufty on a one year deal because he is not the answer. How anyone can talk up a side that finished last, went on a spending spree and are still short in 3 out of 4 spine positions.

Because they still got players in key spots and if the 1 year players don’t fire they can be moved on easy and the cap is sweet again. I know as tigers fans we have no idea what good recruitment looks like but they can easily be talked up, no need to be salty.

They will be a vastly better side next season because of the recruitment and beyond that.

They will be an average side next year.

And I'd be over the moon if we were an average side in 2022

Average doesn't describe the 2022 squad ...underwhelming .....tanking .......lack lustre does though

 

[cochise]

Listened to the podcast and thoroughly enjoyed it.
To me he raised some good points and said some stuff I wasn’t aware of.
Left me feeing worse about the club in general tbh but I enjoyed it nonetheless.

By his own admission he doesn’t know the ins and outs of the club or how it runs.
In saying that i really enjoyed his passion.

He did lose me somewat when he was talking about throwing big money at big name players.
Um.... that’s part of why we are in this mess.

Reynolds, Packer, Matulino etc were all recruited on big money and didn’t work out.
So why should be throw big overs on more players? I think he’s incorrect in all of that

Because none of those players were really that good. Comparing them to some of the others we’ve been linked to like pangai, finucane, Addo carr is apples and oranges.

The club constantly coming out saying we don’t wanna pay overs because we’ve been burned before is just a bloody cop out for how poor the recruitment is. You pay overs for a Brandon smith, a Joey manu, Harry grant etc.
letting past failures dictate our future dealings is just weak. Bulldogs paid overs for Burton and Fox and now they’re better off

We do not know that yet.

Blind Freddy could tell you that give me a break

Holding the Bulldogs up as some statue to good recruitment is stupid, they have burnt their cap and are short a hooker, half and a decent fullback. They may hit the bottom of the 8 but there is not growth from there unless they find some extremely talented juniors as their cap money is gone for the next 3-4 years.

They’ve just lost Elliot and Lewis, plus if Gould has his way Faitala Mariner will be medically retired by the start of next season , he will have their cap sorted quicker than we can fix the mess at our club. Not to mention 3 places signed on 1 year deals, if players like Vaughan, dufty and Asiata bust, they can punt them almost right away.

They saved 2 months pay on Lewis so that doesn't help with anything, Elliot was a lucky break for them.

Who is their Hooker? Who is their half? They are lucky they got Dufty on a one year deal because he is not the answer. How anyone can talk up a side that finished last, went on a spending spree and are still short in 3 out of 4 spine positions.

Because they still got players in key spots and if the 1 year players don’t fire they can be moved on easy and the cap is sweet again. I know as tigers fans we have no idea what good recruitment looks like but they can easily be talked up, no need to be salty.

They will be a vastly better side next season because of the recruitment and beyond that.

They will be an average side next year.

And I'd be over the moon if we were an average side in 2022

Average doesn't describe the 2022 squad ...underwhelming .....tanking .......lack lustre does though

They are better than us no doubt, they are not top 4 with that squad though and are already in cap trouble for 2023.

 

[Animal Mother]

Funny how all the detractors call this fellow a wannabe.
Singing from the same hymn sheet much?