tiger4ever
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Lol good work chris you wont get a reply
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It is time for SHEENS to go.
- Thread starter Balmain_Bug
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Balmain_Bug
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1995 was 16 and a half seasons ago and 1996 was 15 and a half seasons ago.
Balmain_Bug
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@tiger4ever said:Lol good work chris you wont get a reply
There you go Chris a reply :wink:
Alf_Duguid
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@Balmain Bug said:1995 was 16 and a half seasons ago and 1996 was 15 and a half seasons ago.
Love your passion for Wests, Bug. Seems to be a lot of Rose coloured glasses on the forum though, so you'd probably get more sense out of a brick wall
@Alf Duguid said:@Balmain Bug said:1995 was 16 and a half seasons ago and 1996 was 15 and a half seasons ago.
Love your passion for Wests, Bug. Seems to be a lot of Rose coloured glasses on the forum though, so you'd probably get more sense out of a brick wall
maybe you can both hitch a ride to china and share the wall there it might talk back to you both :smiley:
Balmain_Bug
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Now now tigers05, no need for that.
I wish the Fonz all the best and wish him all the success in the world.
Cheers !!
I wish the Fonz all the best and wish him all the success in the world.
Cheers !!
barrytiger
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@Balmain Bug said:It is time for Tim 'Fonz' Sheens to move on.
He is killing our chances year after year. At the start of every round I tell my family he is the weakest link in our whole club.
And he is.
The Fonz is directly responsible for us losing games. The buck stops with him. No excuses. You will never hear him say he was at fault for a loss like what a noble coach would say.
He has a distinct inability to meet the requirements of today's game. He can not instill Mongrel and never had been able to. For years our side has been getting out muscled and outplayed by more physical sides. WT teams get tossed around like kids on the paddock and dominated to the point of embarrassment . If it was not for the naturally talents of Farah, Ellis and Marshall (& Prince - Hodgson) this team would never have won the games they have.
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For all the Fonz supporters on this forum, for all the supporters that can comfortably sit in there seats and watch this so called coach make the same mistakes, week after week, month after month, year after year and pretend to feel comfortable with it, so you are not critical of the coach, shame on you all.
This person needs to be removed from this team immediately. He is ruining another year AGAIN.
He was the coach when Benji, Princey, Hodgo and Robbie won us the comp in 2005 and that should have been enough for him to leave .
He is a dismal failure since the start of the NRL in 98\. He had the worst coaching win/loss ratio of any coach .
He is a coward for never ever putting his hand up and saying at least one loss has ever been his fault.
Continuing to play players out of position and playing his favourites has been to the great detriment of this great WT club.
If he leaves now, we may just salvage our season.
The Fonz is yesterday's man who is no longer welcome by the majority of Wests Tigers fans who he torments and mentally punished every Tuesday afternoon which then manifests to a disaster on the field come game day .
He is a terrible coach, a coward and never learns from his mistakes.
Please leave Sheens.
PLEASE !!!!
I rate Sheens above Bennett, sure Bennett has won more games and titles,but please have a look at the cattle Bennett has had compared to what Sheens had to work with especially in the last 15 years,do you think Bennett would have won 2005 with the players Tim Sheens had? Bennett has always had the pick of a whole state to choose from,where as sSheens has had to do his best at what the club could afford.
I can't help but get drawn into this Bug, so here I go.
Today, Lui went for 3 40/20's, achieving one mistake from Dugan which effectively was a 40/20\. This tactic was used right from our first set. Every time we kicked from inside our 40, we drilled for the 20m line. The made Dugan, Vidot and Fergusen sit WAY back in order to take those kicks. Farah pokes a little kick over the line to MASSES of space, regathers, and Benji scores under the posts.
THAT is amazing tactics and great coaching right there. Never seen it done before, Sheens knew the young backs would avoid a 40/20 at all costs and he utilized that. I'm not saying he doesn't do wrong things, but similar to the running around of Souths in Round 5, he is a very very smart tactician.
Today, Lui went for 3 40/20's, achieving one mistake from Dugan which effectively was a 40/20\. This tactic was used right from our first set. Every time we kicked from inside our 40, we drilled for the 20m line. The made Dugan, Vidot and Fergusen sit WAY back in order to take those kicks. Farah pokes a little kick over the line to MASSES of space, regathers, and Benji scores under the posts.
THAT is amazing tactics and great coaching right there. Never seen it done before, Sheens knew the young backs would avoid a 40/20 at all costs and he utilized that. I'm not saying he doesn't do wrong things, but similar to the running around of Souths in Round 5, he is a very very smart tactician.
@Balmain Bug said:1995 was 16 and a half seasons ago and 1996 was 15 and a half seasons ago.
1995 = SF,1996 = SF,1997,1998,1999,2000,2001,2003,2004,2005 = SF,2006,2007,2008,2009,2010 = SF That's 15 years there for you mate. :wink:
I rate Sheens above Bennett, sure Bennett has won more games and titles,but please have a look at the cattle Bennett has had compared to what Sheens had to work with especially in the last 15 years,do you think Bennett would have won 2005 with the players Tim Sheens had? Bennett has always had the pick of a whole state to choose from,where as sSheens has had to do his best at what the club could afford.
My sentiments entirely. I remember when Jack Gibson, who in his era was comparable to Bennett, moved to Cronulla he hardly set the world on fire. Even the best of coaches won't get results unless they have a half decent team to choose from.
My sentiments entirely. I remember when Jack Gibson, who in his era was comparable to Bennett, moved to Cronulla he hardly set the world on fire. Even the best of coaches won't get results unless they have a half decent team to choose from.
Balmain_Bug
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@Chris said:@Balmain Bug said:1995 was 16 and a half seasons ago and 1996 was 15 and a half seasons ago.
1995 = SF,1996 = SF,1997,1998,1999,2000,2001,2003,2004,2005 = SF,2006,2007,2008,2009,2010 = SF That's 15 years there for you mate. :wink:
Chris,
To be extremely fair, I will give you 1996.
But 1995 was not in the last 15 years mate.
So to be very very fair , before the start of this year, he has made the semis 3 times in the last 15 years. So thats winning more than 50%, once every 5 years. Sensational stuff :laughing:
@Knuckles said:I rate Sheens above Bennett, sure Bennett has won more games and titles,but please have a look at the cattle Bennett has had compared to what Sheens had to work with especially in the last 15 years,do you think Bennett would have won 2005 with the players Tim Sheens had? Bennett has always had the pick of a whole state to choose from,where as sSheens has had to do his best at what the club could afford.
My sentiments entirely. I remember when Jack Gibson, who in his era was comparable to Bennett, moved to Cronulla he hardly set the world on fire. Even the best of coaches won't get results unless they have a half decent team to choose from.
Im a big sheens fan, and whatever reason am not a big fan of bennett (you need blokes to cheer against), that said, I think Bennett's record is phenomenally impressive, all those consecutive semi final appearences, 6 or 7 grand final wins (depending if you count superleague) altho I agree he has always had good cattle, what he has done entitles him to undisputed best coach status.
Sheens' coaching us in 2005 was super, he had very good cattle in the earlier premierships, '89 was a good effort, alot of those players were yet to come of age. But sheens performance lacks the consistency of bennett
Montague_Street
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IMO Sheens is the best coach the Wests Tigers have ever had or realistically can have. Heaven forbid that we get lumbered with Sticky who brings with him a band of dead set arseisstants – just ask the Roosters and Sharks
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tiger4ever
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effort, alot of those players were yet to come of age. But sheens performance lacks the consistency of bennett
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Yes it has for the same reason thats posted above your commenta.
Sheens has consistently coached teams from the bottom half of the ladder where bennett had coached the broncos for 20 and every one of those years he has had SOO OR AUSTRALIN players in his team.
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Yes it has for the same reason thats posted above your commenta.
Sheens has consistently coached teams from the bottom half of the ladder where bennett had coached the broncos for 20 and every one of those years he has had SOO OR AUSTRALIN players in his team.
Tiger_Watto
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You guys shouldnt confuse Wayne Bennetts record with him having SOO or Australian players… You are using it as an excuse as to why Bennetts record is so high, but he deserves a fair bit of the credit for those teams he had because he identified thier talent and made these player SOO or Australian Reps with the exception of Glen Lazarus and Peter Jackson...
Yes he inherited a pretty good team at the start of the Broncos, but he didnt make the finals until 1990, and didnt win his first GF until 1992...
Yes he inherited a pretty good team at the start of the Broncos, but he didnt make the finals until 1990, and didnt win his first GF until 1992...
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They only joined in 88 they had 10 or more current origin players in his squad plus and most of those played for australia as well so he didnt have bad cattle to work with did he and just a whole state of players to choose from.
If having all those players isnt a clear advantage over other teams then why dont we just get rid of the cap.Its not only financial why they introduced the cap you know.
88 THEY COME 7TH just missed out and 89 play off for fifth and lossed made it in 90 so its not bad
People in here judge him on his 60 odd win ratio comparing it to Sheens 50 and im saying its unfair to compare it to bennett cause of the above.
What else can you judge it on let him go to souths or cronulla or even penrith with no bottomless pit of money and see how he goes.
If having all those players isnt a clear advantage over other teams then why dont we just get rid of the cap.Its not only financial why they introduced the cap you know.
88 THEY COME 7TH just missed out and 89 play off for fifth and lossed made it in 90 so its not bad
People in here judge him on his 60 odd win ratio comparing it to Sheens 50 and im saying its unfair to compare it to bennett cause of the above.
What else can you judge it on let him go to souths or cronulla or even penrith with no bottomless pit of money and see how he goes.
Tiger_Watto
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From 1993, 90% of the SOO and International players were spotted and developed as juniors. All I'm saying is, Bennett does deserve some credit for bringing these player through and continuing success at his club.
The 'whole state to choose from' arguments is just funny… Balmain/Wests/Wests Tigers had the whole state of Queensland to choose from also... They just didnt choose the right cattle or ignored it!
The 'whole state to choose from' arguments is just funny… Balmain/Wests/Wests Tigers had the whole state of Queensland to choose from also... They just didnt choose the right cattle or ignored it!
tiger4ever
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Well it started with 88 not 93.
5 years of winning with a state of origin team boost up his win ratio i would think which is what i was talking about.
Yeah but most qld dont want to leave their state back then unless they had to so i dont find it funny.
Most sydney clubs like balmain didnt have the money we could only afford to buy average players that hadnt established themselves.Do you think balmain and souths for instance had recruitment officers all over brisbane watching every game.haha
You can think bennetts a god thats your choice.
5 years of winning with a state of origin team boost up his win ratio i would think which is what i was talking about.
Yeah but most qld dont want to leave their state back then unless they had to so i dont find it funny.
Most sydney clubs like balmain didnt have the money we could only afford to buy average players that hadnt established themselves.Do you think balmain and souths for instance had recruitment officers all over brisbane watching every game.haha
You can think bennetts a god thats your choice.
Tiger_Watto
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You don't think Sheens had good cattle from 88 through to 92?
happy_tiger
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@tiger4ever said:They only joined in 88 they had 10 or more current origin players in his squad plus and most of those played for australia as well so he didnt have bad cattle to work with did he and just a whole state of players to choose from.
If having all those players isnt a clear advantage over other teams then why dont we just get rid of the cap.Its not only financial why they introduced the cap you know.
88 THEY COME 7TH just missed out and 89 play off for fifth and lossed made it in 90 so its not bad
People in here judge him on his 60 odd win ratio comparing it to Sheens 50 and im saying its unfair to compare it to bennett cause of the above.
What else can you judge it on let him go to souths or cronulla or even penrith with no bottomless pit of money and see how he goes.
Just because they were internationals many guys who came from BRL(Brisbane Rugby League) weren't used to the week to week grind of NSWRL . In Brisbane they were probably only 3 teams Wynnum , Souths and Redcliffe that were remotely close to NSWRL standard . So many games they played were against sub standard opposition . It wasn't until Broncos got some seasoned vets into the club (Tony Currie , Sam Backo , Chris Johns , Biily Noke , Glen Lazarus , Peter Jackson )etc they became competitive .
