It really is time for Sheens to go........

[GNR4LIFE]

no i dont….its not my go to [automatically edited] about things i can see you only need to win 3 in row to get in the8…i have to remember that now 3 times in 10 years...you guys said it all last year....

Its 3 times more then i ever thought we would make and won the big one...and that's something you hadn't experienced....so do you think it was sheens or the players that won it for us.

But one things for certain you guys will never stop complaining...how you get through the day..

I don't mind giving credit where credit is due. Yeah he was the primary factor in 05, and does get credit from me for the last 2 yrs. However, facts are facts, and if we fail to reach the finals this yr it will 7 times that we've failed under his leadership. God forbid we ask questions :unamused:

 

[Flippedy]

But its not a 4-5 game losing streak….its 10 years with a 33% rate of making the semis ...some of us think he's stale & has waaay too much control....I was prepared to cut him some slack over the past 2 seasons, but the recruitment circus this past summer has seen my prior opinion return.
Time to go Tim. At seasons end, not now

Great post. Agree completely.

I can't believe people are saying "if this was Bennet" etc. This has NOTHING to do with the current losing streak.

It has EVERYTHING to do with our players lack of development. Lawrence came in as a 'potential anything' type player…he's now only just above an average center. Ayshford is regressing. Moltzen has patches of good, patches of bad......same as when he first came in.

Fulton and Highno were better in 2005 t0 2007 than they are now.

Too many players haven't gone to the "next level".

The past ten years we haven't produced one single player who has made the Kangaroo side and become a regular.

Robbie, Lawrence...their rep careers barely took off.

Benji still can't control a game in the last 10 mins.

These are all things GREAT coaches get from their players. Hell, Bennet taught Soward how to close out games..........Bennet won a comp with Soward!!!..........and Sheens can't teach Benji how to close out big games?

IMO we have had WAY more talent than St George the past 5 seasons.

2 great posts there and cnx you've nailed it! That guys like Marshall, Lawrence, Farah and Heighno haven't had the opportunity to develop, further, under another coach is really sad, imo. You often hear players switching clubs say that they are looking forward to being coached by so and so, as they would help them take their games to the next level. Many of our new guys have even said that of Sheens.

I would love to see what a new coach could do with them. However, they're all getting older now and the window of opportunity is closing fast. Unless we lose them to another club, their full potential may never be realised within the present coaching structure and team culture. It's a damn shame really.

 

[tiger4ever]

i see it as the players that won with some much need guile from the exp coach…he would say it himself

Its the players that are losing us games...none of the things we have done to lose games having 45% possession giving penalty's away shit kicking game drop balls are coached by a NRL coach.The worst loss was the dragons...i think that was our worst performance.

Its like this week if we come out and smash panthers i bet they have done no different to any other week to prepare.

Oh well a few wins and we back in it and that's all we should care about.

flippedy how would you know about our structure or culture withing the club....All thos players you mention were nothing when they come to us...look at what they have done now....yeah they haven't developed

 

[WhiTe Tiger]

Sheens has always baffled me abit… I am almost sure that if he never came to the club we would not be in the position the club is today in terms of creditability and sponsorship. I am sure we wouldnt have won the GF in 05, well Prince wouldnt have came here in case without Sheens.

But then I cant tell you, like most on this forum, how frustrated I am on a Tuesday afternoon looking at how many fullbacks and wingers he has named on the bench. To watch the team get out muscled by the opposition.

But the thing that I am the least sure of is are our players as great/talented as I think they are? Or does sheens get the most out of average players? there have been so many tigers players over the years that i have rated highly to have mates tell me how average they are and then I have seen players go to other clubs who I rated and did nothing.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

But its not a 4-5 game losing streak….its 10 years with a 33% rate of making the semis ...some of us think he's stale & has waaay too much control....I was prepared to cut him some slack over the past 2 seasons, but the recruitment circus this past summer has seen my prior opinion return.
Time to go Tim. At seasons end, not now

Great post. Agree completely.

I can't believe people are saying "if this was Bennet" etc. This has NOTHING to do with the current losing streak.

It has EVERYTHING to do with our players lack of development. Lawrence came in as a 'potential anything' type player…he's now only just above an average center. Ayshford is regressing. Moltzen has patches of good, patches of bad......same as when he first came in.

Fulton and Highno were better in 2005 t0 2007 than they are now.

Too many players haven't gone to the "next level".

The past ten years we haven't produced one single player who has made the Kangaroo side and become a regular.

Robbie, Lawrence...their rep careers barely took off.

Benji still can't control a game in the last 10 mins.

These are all things GREAT coaches get from their players. Hell, Bennet taught Soward how to close out games..........Bennet won a comp with Soward!!!..........and Sheens can't teach Benji how to close out big games?

IMO we have had WAY more talent than St George the past 5 seasons.

Some of those statements are ludicrous. Farah played two origin games, and was made a scapegoat despite: 1\. Playing behind a pack that got bashed from pillar to post by one of the most dominant packs to ever play the game, and 2\. Having creative geniuses in the halves such as Campese, Wallace and Barrett direct the game.

Lawrence has been unlucky through injuries and the usual boys club mentality that creeps into origin selections.

Lawrence is carrying a shoulder injury and isn't seeing the ball enough out wide, he can't be an effective centre when the ball isn't coming his way.

Ayshford was poor to start the season, but has shown glimpses of his form from last year in the last two games. He'll be hurting being sided to the bench and will be out with a point to prove. Moltzen is playing out of position.

You're right about one thing though, we shouldn't be relying on Benji to close out a game, which is where a level headed half with enough balls to call over him would come in handy. Lui was becoming that player, but for reasons outside Sheens control he is no longer at the club and this was evident in games last year where we were scraping though with wins we'd ordinarily have let slip. Alot of us armchair critics believe Miller is the guy (I'm one of them,) but he isn't in first grade for a reason.

Apart from going into this season a prop short and his baffling team selections, I really struggle to fault him for anything else. IMO we've only been genuinely poor in two games and we were rightfully pantsed.

 

[Flippedy]

i see it as the players that won with some much need guile from the exp coach…he would say it himself

Its the players that are losing us games...none of the things we have done to lose games having 45% possession giving penalty's away s*** kicking game drop balls are coached by a NRL coach.The worst loss was the dragons...i think that was our worst performance.

Its like this week if we come out and smash panthers i bet they have done no different to any other week to prepare.

Oh well a few wins and we back in it and that's all we should care about.

flippedy how would you know about our structure or culture withing the club....All thos players you mention were nothing when they come to us...look at what they have done now....yeah they haven't developed

Of course they've developed to some extent, tiger, they all came through the ranks here, but I still believe they could go further under a different coaching style. Sometimes change is good. Anyway, read cnx's post, again, for a better understanding of where these guys are at now.

 

[tiger4ever]

i dont really care where cnx thinks the players are at now….yeah and the players that have left to go to different coaches...hows that panned out for them.

 

[Granto87]

i dont really care where cnx thinks the players are at now….yeah and the players that have left to go to different coaches...hows that panned out for them.

You base you arguments to suit your agenda.

 

[tiger4ever]

what you on about…..please explain ...you have lost me....or you got nothing

 

[cnx_tigers]

No one is saying Sheens can't coach (although it is debatable whether he can coach defense).

It's more that he's been here too long….......and 2.5 more years to come.

Lang won a comp. Folkes won a comp. Winning one shouldn't be a job for life.

Sheensy has had a great roster the past three years. England's best player + the world player of the year winner + a host of rep players. In that time, we've not even made a GF.

Last season't exit was very poor and this season's start has been shockingly poor.

I don't know, some of you fellas seem content with what we've achieved.

Others expect more...the past two years the Roosters and Warriors have made grand finals. We've had a MUCH better roster than either of them............

If you are happy with what we've achieved, good for you.

But this squad has underachieved ever since 2005 except for one season (2010). This squad should have been in a few GF's. It's a hell of a talented squad. It's a shame the Ellis era likely won't see us even make a GF.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

lol you would think 3 finals appearences in 10 seasons would be hard to defend but some people do it without even breaking a sweat :laughing:

 

[cnx_tigers]

It's all a matter of mentality.

Some people remember the bleak days of Wests and Balmain (after 1990) and think "wow, we are relevant again. Thank you Sheensy".

Others think "we've got a once in a generation player in Benji…....we've got the best local hooker since Benny Elias...we've got possibly the best English player ever in Ellis...we've got a host of current or ex rep players...how come we haven't made a GF during Benji and Ellis' prime years???"

We've had a top 2 roster since Ellis joined us IMO. Yet inferior teams like the Roosters and Warriors have made GFs.

Have we underachieved? I don't see how people don't see this. Look at some of the recent grand finalists....comps were there to be won.

 

[tiger4ever]

No one is saying Sheens can't coach (although it is debatable whether he can coach defense).

It's more that he's been here too long….......and 2.5 more years to come.

Lang won a comp. Folkes won a comp. Winning one shouldn't be a job for life.

Sheensy has had a great roster the past three years. England's best player + the world player of the year winner + a host of rep players. In that time, we've not even made a GF.

Last season't exit was very poor and this season's start has been shockingly poor.

I don't know, some of you fellas seem content with what we've achieved.

Others expect more...the past two years the Roosters and Warriors have made grand finals. We've had a MUCH better roster than either of them............

If you are happy with what we've achieved, good for you.

But this squad has underachieved ever since 2005 except for one season (2010). This squad should have been in a few GF's. It's a hell of a talented squad. It's a shame the Ellis era likely won't see us even make a GF.

Yeah yeah bla bla we have heard it all before cnx .

penrith made a mistake letting go of lang that's their problem…they went backwards

Im happy if my team wins but if they don't i get over it...i don't turn on anyone and then go through the game and try and analyze it...its early in the season....every bloody post...gees give it a break...if you feel that strong about maybe write a letter to the club or go to training and give it to them.

 

[cnx_tigers]

This is a forum Tiger4Eva…........my apologies for discussing footy here. I was under the impression that's what the place was for, to discuss the Tigers and RL.

So...how's the latest paint job going at Blacktown station? Any new shops added to the local Westfield there? If you don't want to discuss or "analyze" footy.......................

 

[GNR4LIFE]

This is a forum Tiger4Eva…........my apologies for discussing footy here. I was under the impression that's what the place was for, to discuss the Tigers and RL.

So...how's the latest paint job going at Blacktown station? Any new shops added to the local Westfield there? If you don't want to discuss or "analyze" footy.......................

No, we're allowed to talk footy, you just can't vent frustration thats all. If we win fantastic, if not its expected we just say 'thats a shame, oh well always next week'. If you don't take the latter approach then you aren't a true supporter and you aren't welcome on this forum :imp:

 

[tiger4ever]

Im disagreeing with you…..but i will say there's only one thing you have been posting.And we have heard it every year several times over not only by you.

I read stats t and we have had 45% possession over the whole year and most penalised team in the comp...guess what you cant win football games....But that's a excuse isn't it

lol wouldn't have a clue how blacktowns going... i actually have a car.

gnr4life don't go soft on me...you said it all really whats the point in stewing over it.

I haven't said to anyone on here there not a true supporter or im better...that's not me

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Im disagreeing with you…..but i will say there's only one thing you have been posting.And we have heard it every year several times over not only by you.

I read stats t and we have had 45% possession over the whole year and most penalised team in the comp...guess what you cant win football games....But that's a excuse isn't it

lol wouldn't have a clue how blacktowns going... i actually have a car.

gnr4life don't go soft on me...you said it all really whats the point in stewing over it.

I haven't said to anyone on here there not a true supporter or im better...that's not me

Not you, but there certainly has been an influx of members with that mentality of late

 

[Flippedy]

No discussion can ever take place when people's minds are closed.

 

[innsaneink]

Clearly it doesnt take much to make some happy….3 out of 9 seasons.
That, put simply... is crap
You can spin as many excuses around it....33% is a.......


 

[tiger4ever]

Clearly it doesnt take much to make some happy….3 out of 9 seasons.
That, put simply... is crap
You can spin as many excuses around it....33% is a.......


ink…did you think we would ever win a competition?

2010 2011 AND HOPE 2012 that makes us one of the good sides....yeah not as good as melbourne but on our day.

i dont consider a grand final win as a 1...mate that worth atleast 5...ask smith if he would swap 5 or 10 of his semi final appearances for 1 grand final win...you know what he would do