It really is time for Sheens to go........

[tom620]

It's all a matter of mentality.

Some people remember the bleak days of Wests and Balmain (after 1990) and think "wow, we are relevant again. Thank you Sheensy".

Others think "we've got a once in a generation player in Benji…....we've got the best local hooker since Benny Elias...we've got possibly the best English player ever in Ellis...we've got a host of current or ex rep players...how come we haven't made a GF during Benji and Ellis' prime years???"

We've had a top 2 roster since Ellis joined us IMO. Yet inferior teams like the Roosters and Warriors have made GFs.

Have we underachieved? I don't see how people don't see this. Look at some of the recent grand finalists....comps were there to be won.

Roosters and Warriors making GF are good points.

But also look at this year - the Bulldogs are doing well. I would ask the question of what would have happened if we had brought in Hasler?
If this year doesnt turn into a miracle, you do have to ask whether showing the 'faith' in Sheens - is just crazy.

With the salary cap, how much you spend on the coach and training staff and facilities are so crucial and its where lots of teams are pushing their spending (think of the recent moves by Knights - with Bennett and Bulldogs - with Hasler on 750k and spending up to 9 million on a training centre at Belmore).

The coach is always the person things are hung on (just think of other teams and sports were people get booted regularly). And with a salary cap this will (or should) happen more and more.

 

[innsaneink]

Clearly it doesnt take much to make some happy….3 out of 9 seasons.
That, put simply... is crap
You can spin as many excuses around it....33% is a.......


ink…did you think we would ever win a competition?

2010 2011 AND HOPE 2012 that makes us one of the good sides....yeah not as good as melbourne but on our day.

i dont consider a grand final win as a 1...mate that worth atleast 5...ask smith if he would swap 5 or 10 of his semi final appearances for 1 grand final win...you know what he would do

You can bring up other coaches, you can equate a premiership with 5 semis series :crazy you always do this
you twist things, but one thing you never do is FACE FACTS

3 out of 9, or twice in sevens years since the GF…its not good.

hoping this year makes us good???? not quite melbourne like but on our day?
Whens our day?
Listen to yourself....youre talking crazy and as usual with you these threads go nowhere

No discussion can ever take place when people's minds are closed.

So very very very true.

 

[tiger4ever]

I never face facts…oh that coming from you...i like you saying i always twist things around that's the funniest

You can talk gloom and doom thats your go not mine

If we make the semis 3 years in a row...in my eyes it makes us one of the stronger teams.

Judge him on the last year and this when it finishes.

And unlike you ink i can have a disagreement and not resort to calling anyone stupid or crazy...i put my point across

 

[Sabre]

Simon Dwyer for head coach
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