Its a player problem

[BZN]

Has anybody noticed that Wests Tigers has gotten worse as soon as Wests Ashfield has assumed full control of the club or is it a coincidence

I think it's quite disgusting and disrespectful that you are prepared to say this.

Would you like me to tell you what to do with yourself like I told another member of this forum….but I won’t out of respect for the mods

:flushed: :cold_sweat: :face_with_cowboy_hat:

 

[BZN]

I follow a lot of the Tigers players on Insta and I honestly feel the majority of them are spending far too much time posting about every little thing they do. I get it's a way to engage with their fans and gives insight into their personal lives which don't get me wrong is fun however they all clearly need to be focusing their energy on their game and not how many likes they're getting on Insta.

The team should put a social media ban on all players until they can demonstrate they're able to perform and be competitive. Socials are nothing more than an added distraction. The rubbish that was dished up on Sat was a disgrace to the club, the fans and themselves. All I saw from their Insta posts leading up to game time was a team who looked like they were on a Summer holiday in QLD for a week. Some of the lads seriously float around on Insta like they're legit ballers. Cut the nonsense lads and find some pride in the jersey and some pride in yourselves. Some serious soul searching is needed and all of them should be put on notice.

Imagine turning up to your own workplace and putting in a lazy performance like that for more than 50% of your shifts?

:+1: :+1: :+1:

 

[happy_tiger]

We have never been successful buying other clubs players. We have only done well when we developed and bought through our own. Look who we have bought over the last few years - most have been poor and taken up large amount of our cap. We need to stop looking for blokes like tpj bj jtj and develop our own kids. More of the Alex Seyfarths and the like. Our jersey Flagg side and Reggie’s are going well - let’s keep the good ones from these teams and develop them through. Sheensy can’t come quick enough.

look at cini...cult hero one week, rough game the next then dropped....now mamaulo is here what is cini to think or do?

he should've had a longer run in the team imo


Surely if he is that good then he goes back to KOE and tears it up?

Ive seen a few here suggest that Madge "broke his spirit" and if thats the case then NRL is not for a fragile spirit like that and he would have had many disasters like his last effort.

Exactly ...every superstar has had his low moments and got dropped ......you knuckle down and prove everyone wrong and stick it up their butts

 

[BZN]

Has anybody noticed that Wests Tigers has gotten worse as soon as Wests Ashfield has assumed full control of the club or is it a coincidence

I think it's quite disgusting and disrespectful that you are prepared to say this.


As an old Balmain boy, I welcome our Magpie overlords.

:+1: :+1: :+1: :slightly_smiling_face: :slightly_smiling_face: :slightly_smiling_face:

 

[WT46]

I follow a lot of the Tigers players on Insta and I honestly feel the majority of them are spending far too much time posting about every little thing they do. I get it's a way to engage with their fans and gives insight into their personal lives which don't get me wrong is fun however they all clearly need to be focusing their energy on their game and not how many likes they're getting on Insta.

The team should put a social media ban on all players until they can demonstrate they're able to perform and be competitive. Socials are nothing more than an added distraction. The rubbish that was dished up on Sat was a disgrace to the club, the fans and themselves. All I saw from their Insta posts leading up to game time was a team who looked like they were on a Summer holiday in QLD for a week. Some of the lads seriously float around on Insta like they're legit ballers. Cut the nonsense lads and find some pride in the jersey and some pride in yourselves. Some serious soul searching is needed and all of them should be put on notice.

Imagine turning up to your own workplace and putting in a lazy performance like that for more than 50% of your shifts?

Mate that's exactly what I was thinking. It's as if they don't give a f. Talau, Blore, Mbye and MCK are the ones especially.

 

[tigeress]

4 tries down our right side defence early last night were not the middles fault. Noffa, JTJ and Luciano were as bad as anything I've seen defensively.


I just watched them again. First one from dummy half was laziness from LL. Mbye, JTJ and Noffo were all marked up (in fact there was still a winger wider because Storm had an edge back rower running a line). If the Jet or Nofo come in they'd be crucified on here.

Try two was off the cuff play from Storm. Nofo misses JAC badly but you can see he's in two minds about if Joffo is going to get either Hines or the 12.



The Finucane try, LL actually took no-one and ran between two of their players. One of the commentators on Fox was pretty critical of this. I felt sorry for Joffo because I thought he was having a decent crack last night



The Munster try, LL looks a bit late and it could probably be argued that DL is poorly positioned.



I'm wondering if the changes to defensive structures a couple of week ago (not jamming in as much) has left the middle a bit looser. Whilst the tries were all on our right edge I don't think JTJ can be blamed for any. Nofo and Mbye maybe one and LL definitely a couple.

After being down 30-0 after 17 minutes, only conceding 10 more before half time was realistically better than I was expecting.


What that spells out is very, very poor communication between all of those guys. Not anywhere near good enough. How Noff gets away with this rubbish for years has me baffled. Don't get me wrong, I like the guy, but holy crap he's been in a lot of messed up back lines defensively.

How many players in this team have any footy nous ?????

I believe that's what's needed here more players with no fear, and lots of nous

 

[Devon Head]

I follow a lot of the Tigers players on Insta and I honestly feel the majority of them are spending far too much time posting about every little thing they do. I get it's a way to engage with their fans and gives insight into their personal lives which don't get me wrong is fun however they all clearly need to be focusing their energy on their game and not how many likes they're getting on Insta.

The team should put a social media ban on all players until they can demonstrate they're able to perform and be competitive. Socials are nothing more than an added distraction. The rubbish that was dished up on Sat was a disgrace to the club, the fans and themselves. All I saw from their Insta posts leading up to game time was a team who looked like they were on a Summer holiday in QLD for a week. Some of the lads seriously float around on Insta like they're legit ballers. Cut the nonsense lads and find some pride in the jersey and some pride in yourselves. Some serious soul searching is needed and all of them should be put on notice.

Imagine turning up to your own workplace and putting in a lazy performance like that for more than 50% of your shifts?

Mate that's exactly what I was thinking. It's as if they don't give a f. Talau, Blore, Mbye and MCK are the ones especially.

Joffa, Nofo and AD are all well up their too. Fitzgibbon in reggies is the worst. He legit floats around like he's an NFL superstar on a multi million dollar contract.

 

[BAGNF05]

What that spells out is very, very poor communication between all of those guys. Not anywhere near good enough. How Noff gets away with this rubbish for years has me baffled. Don't get me wrong, I like the guy, but holy crap he's been in a lot of messed up back lines defensively.

The fact we changed defensive shape a few weeks ago suggests the backs have been following instructions but it hasn't been working (obviously). The coaching staff have made changes and it appeared to be working - at least against the lesser teams. I certainly agree we've had some messed up backlines over the years but that doesn't abrogate - not put all blame on, Nofo alone.

As for communications, isn't the fullback meant to be responsible for communicating defensive shape near the line?

What worries me now is that LL is being shown up as a poor defender because the outer edges aren't jamming in to help. I don't believe he's an 80 minute player and he's struggling with lateral movement. He's slow to react (as evidenced in the Brandon Smith and Munster tries).

I'm also concerned he's not on board since the talk of Joey being unwanted. I've been a big fan of his the past 18 months but I'm now starting to think a back row of Garner and TPJ (or Blore) would be more reliable.

TPJ is more of the same. But making the same mistake over and over is the definition of Wests Tigers (sorry I mean insanity).

 

[BAGNF05]

I follow a lot of the Tigers players on Insta and I honestly feel the majority of them are spending far too much time posting about every little thing they do. I get it's a way to engage with their fans and gives insight into their personal lives which don't get me wrong is fun however they all clearly need to be focusing their energy on their game and not how many likes they're getting on Insta.

The team should put a social media ban on all players until they can demonstrate they're able to perform and be competitive. Socials are nothing more than an added distraction. The rubbish that was dished up on Sat was a disgrace to the club, the fans and themselves. All I saw from their Insta posts leading up to game time was a team who looked like they were on a Summer holiday in QLD for a week. Some of the lads seriously float around on Insta like they're legit ballers. Cut the nonsense lads and find some pride in the jersey and some pride in yourselves. Some serious soul searching is needed and all of them should be put on notice.

Imagine turning up to your own workplace and putting in a lazy performance like that for more than 50% of your shifts?

100% Insta is about brand. All their brands are mud until they have a dig.

 

[BAGNF05]

The Sharks were a struggling club for many years. Look at their premiership team, it is filled with quality characters renowned for their hard work and discipline who also were talented players. There is a small minority of DHs (Barba, arguably Fifita) but those few were immensely talented (better than any player on our team) and were forced to keep their heads on by the fact that their teammates were such great leaders.

Take Lewis for example, attitude of Elijah Taylor but the talent of Ryan Matterson. We can't keep getting one or the other, we need need both. We can only afford to have very talented but poorly disciplined players like JTJ and Luc if the majority of the team has their heads screwed on. Ultimately you can obsess over coaches "changing the culture" all you want but it really comes down to the player.

On our roster the players I think fit the ideal talent and intangible requirements are Doueihi, Laurie, Stefano, Twal, Simpkin, Joffa (I think?), Seyfarth, Tamou once upon a time but past it now. I probably left someone off I'm sure


I’d put Luke Lewis up as the example Wests Tigers need to recruit in the next 2-3 years. If he’s not a Luke Lewis type character he won’t make this joint any better.

 

[coivtny]

The Sharks were a struggling club for many years. Look at their premiership team, it is filled with quality characters renowned for their hard work and discipline who also were talented players. There is a small minority of DHs (Barba, arguably Fifita) but those few were immensely talented (better than any player on our team) and were forced to keep their heads on by the fact that their teammates were such great leaders.

Take Lewis for example, attitude of Elijah Taylor but the talent of Ryan Matterson. We can't keep getting one or the other, we need need both. We can only afford to have very talented but poorly disciplined players like JTJ and Luc if the majority of the team has their heads screwed on. Ultimately you can obsess over coaches "changing the culture" all you want but it really comes down to the player.

On our roster the players I think fit the ideal talent and intangible requirements are Doueihi, Laurie, Stefano, Twal, Simpkin, Joffa (I think?), Seyfarth, Tamou once upon a time but past it now. I probably left someone off I'm sure


I’d put Luke Lewis up as the example Wests Tigers need to recruit in the next 2-3 years. If he’s not a Luke Lewis type character he won’t make this joint any better.

I agree. At the time Lewis joined Cronulla we tried hard to get him and he very nearly joined us. We need these types. Not sure we need a TPJ type of player right now. At a different time he might be right for us but not now.

 

[BAGNF05]

The Sharks were a struggling club for many years. Look at their premiership team, it is filled with quality characters renowned for their hard work and discipline who also were talented players. There is a small minority of DHs (Barba, arguably Fifita) but those few were immensely talented (better than any player on our team) and were forced to keep their heads on by the fact that their teammates were such great leaders.

Take Lewis for example, attitude of Elijah Taylor but the talent of Ryan Matterson. We can't keep getting one or the other, we need need both. We can only afford to have very talented but poorly disciplined players like JTJ and Luc if the majority of the team has their heads screwed on. Ultimately you can obsess over coaches "changing the culture" all you want but it really comes down to the player.

On our roster the players I think fit the ideal talent and intangible requirements are Doueihi, Laurie, Stefano, Twal, Simpkin, Joffa (I think?), Seyfarth, Tamou once upon a time but past it now. I probably left someone off I'm sure


I’d put Luke Lewis up as the example Wests Tigers need to recruit in the next 2-3 years. If he’s not a Luke Lewis type character he won’t make this joint any better.

I agree. At the time Lewis joined Cronulla we tried hard to get him and he very nearly joined us. We need these types. Not sure we need a TPJ type of player right now. At a different time he might be right for us but not now.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/nrl-2021-talking-points-round-15-wests-tigers-blocker-roach-tevita-pangai-brandon-smith-harry-grant-melbourne-storm/news-story/db72229cb8158f50a0c8cbdd671644d9

Maybe replace Hartigan with Blocker.

 

[TrueTiger]

WHEN THE PLAYERS MISS 85 TACKLES IN 2 GAMES IT HAS TO BE ON THEM....PEAHEARTS THAT WONT COMMIT NEED TO BE SHOWN THE DOOR....You can only blame Maguire so much before proffesional players have to accept the consequences of their inactions...The buck stops with them,they get paid very well to perform,if they cant buy someone who will ...

 

[mike]

The Sharks were a struggling club for many years. Look at their premiership team, it is filled with quality characters renowned for their hard work and discipline who also were talented players. There is a small minority of DHs (Barba, arguably Fifita) but those few were immensely talented (better than any player on our team) and were forced to keep their heads on by the fact that their teammates were such great leaders.

Take Lewis for example, attitude of Elijah Taylor but the talent of Ryan Matterson. We can't keep getting one or the other, we need need both. We can only afford to have very talented but poorly disciplined players like JTJ and Luc if the majority of the team has their heads screwed on. Ultimately you can obsess over coaches "changing the culture" all you want but it really comes down to the player.

On our roster the players I think fit the ideal talent and intangible requirements are Doueihi, Laurie, Stefano, Twal, Simpkin, Joffa (I think?), Seyfarth, Tamou once upon a time but past it now. I probably left someone off I'm sure


I’d put Luke Lewis up as the example Wests Tigers need to recruit in the next 2-3 years. If he’s not a Luke Lewis type character he won’t make this joint any better.

I agree. At the time Lewis joined Cronulla we tried hard to get him and he very nearly joined us. We need these types. Not sure we need a TPJ type of player right now. At a different time he might be right for us but not now.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/nrl-2021-talking-points-round-15-wests-tigers-blocker-roach-tevita-pangai-brandon-smith-harry-grant-melbourne-storm/news-story/db72229cb8158f50a0c8cbdd671644d9

Maybe replace Hartigan with Blocker.

That is not at all funny.

 

[BAGNF05]

The Sharks were a struggling club for many years. Look at their premiership team, it is filled with quality characters renowned for their hard work and discipline who also were talented players. There is a small minority of DHs (Barba, arguably Fifita) but those few were immensely talented (better than any player on our team) and were forced to keep their heads on by the fact that their teammates were such great leaders.

Take Lewis for example, attitude of Elijah Taylor but the talent of Ryan Matterson. We can't keep getting one or the other, we need need both. We can only afford to have very talented but poorly disciplined players like JTJ and Luc if the majority of the team has their heads screwed on. Ultimately you can obsess over coaches "changing the culture" all you want but it really comes down to the player.

On our roster the players I think fit the ideal talent and intangible requirements are Doueihi, Laurie, Stefano, Twal, Simpkin, Joffa (I think?), Seyfarth, Tamou once upon a time but past it now. I probably left someone off I'm sure


I’d put Luke Lewis up as the example Wests Tigers need to recruit in the next 2-3 years. If he’s not a Luke Lewis type character he won’t make this joint any better.

I agree. At the time Lewis joined Cronulla we tried hard to get him and he very nearly joined us. We need these types. Not sure we need a TPJ type of player right now. At a different time he might be right for us but not now.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/nrl-2021-talking-points-round-15-wests-tigers-blocker-roach-tevita-pangai-brandon-smith-harry-grant-melbourne-storm/news-story/db72229cb8158f50a0c8cbdd671644d9

Maybe replace Hartigan with Blocker.

That is not at all funny.

Said semi tongue in cheek. How long before we question our supposed saviour from the Rortsters?

 

[TheDaBoss]

The Sharks were a struggling club for many years. Look at their premiership team, it is filled with quality characters renowned for their hard work and discipline who also were talented players. There is a small minority of DHs (Barba, arguably Fifita) but those few were immensely talented (better than any player on our team) and were forced to keep their heads on by the fact that their teammates were such great leaders.

Take Lewis for example, attitude of Elijah Taylor but the talent of Ryan Matterson. We can't keep getting one or the other, we need need both. We can only afford to have very talented but poorly disciplined players like JTJ and Luc if the majority of the team has their heads screwed on. Ultimately you can obsess over coaches "changing the culture" all you want but it really comes down to the player.

On our roster the players I think fit the ideal talent and intangible requirements are Doueihi, Laurie, Stefano, Twal, Simpkin, Joffa (I think?), Seyfarth, Tamou once upon a time but past it now. I probably left someone off I'm sure


I’d put Luke Lewis up as the example Wests Tigers need to recruit in the next 2-3 years. If he’s not a Luke Lewis type character he won’t make this joint any better.

I agree. At the time Lewis joined Cronulla we tried hard to get him and he very nearly joined us. We need these types. Not sure we need a TPJ type of player right now. At a different time he might be right for us but not now.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/nrl-2021-talking-points-round-15-wests-tigers-blocker-roach-tevita-pangai-brandon-smith-harry-grant-melbourne-storm/news-story/db72229cb8158f50a0c8cbdd671644d9

Maybe replace Hartigan with Blocker.

That is not at all funny.

Said semi tongue in cheek. How long before we question our supposed saviour from the Rortsters?

Why should we question...hartigan has been a major shining light the last 2 seasons.

 

[BAGNF05]

The Sharks were a struggling club for many years. Look at their premiership team, it is filled with quality characters renowned for their hard work and discipline who also were talented players. There is a small minority of DHs (Barba, arguably Fifita) but those few were immensely talented (better than any player on our team) and were forced to keep their heads on by the fact that their teammates were such great leaders.

Take Lewis for example, attitude of Elijah Taylor but the talent of Ryan Matterson. We can't keep getting one or the other, we need need both. We can only afford to have very talented but poorly disciplined players like JTJ and Luc if the majority of the team has their heads screwed on. Ultimately you can obsess over coaches "changing the culture" all you want but it really comes down to the player.

On our roster the players I think fit the ideal talent and intangible requirements are Doueihi, Laurie, Stefano, Twal, Simpkin, Joffa (I think?), Seyfarth, Tamou once upon a time but past it now. I probably left someone off I'm sure


I’d put Luke Lewis up as the example Wests Tigers need to recruit in the next 2-3 years. If he’s not a Luke Lewis type character he won’t make this joint any better.

I agree. At the time Lewis joined Cronulla we tried hard to get him and he very nearly joined us. We need these types. Not sure we need a TPJ type of player right now. At a different time he might be right for us but not now.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/nrl-2021-talking-points-round-15-wests-tigers-blocker-roach-tevita-pangai-brandon-smith-harry-grant-melbourne-storm/news-story/db72229cb8158f50a0c8cbdd671644d9

Maybe replace Hartigan with Blocker.

That is not at all funny.

Said semi tongue in cheek. How long before we question our supposed saviour from the Rortsters?

Why should we question...hartigan has been a major shining light the last 2 seasons.

The magpies are flying

 

[Newtown]

The Sharks were a struggling club for many years. Look at their premiership team, it is filled with quality characters renowned for their hard work and discipline who also were talented players. There is a small minority of DHs (Barba, arguably Fifita) but those few were immensely talented (better than any player on our team) and were forced to keep their heads on by the fact that their teammates were such great leaders.

Take Lewis for example, attitude of Elijah Taylor but the talent of Ryan Matterson. We can't keep getting one or the other, we need need both. We can only afford to have very talented but poorly disciplined players like JTJ and Luc if the majority of the team has their heads screwed on. Ultimately you can obsess over coaches "changing the culture" all you want but it really comes down to the player.

On our roster the players I think fit the ideal talent and intangible requirements are Doueihi, Laurie, Stefano, Twal, Simpkin, Joffa (I think?), Seyfarth, Tamou once upon a time but past it now. I probably left someone off I'm sure


I’d put Luke Lewis up as the example Wests Tigers need to recruit in the next 2-3 years. If he’s not a Luke Lewis type character he won’t make this joint any better.

I agree. At the time Lewis joined Cronulla we tried hard to get him and he very nearly joined us. We need these types. Not sure we need a TPJ type of player right now. At a different time he might be right for us but not now.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/nrl-2021-talking-points-round-15-wests-tigers-blocker-roach-tevita-pangai-brandon-smith-harry-grant-melbourne-storm/news-story/db72229cb8158f50a0c8cbdd671644d9

Maybe replace Hartigan with Blocker.

That is not at all funny.

Said semi tongue in cheek. How long before we question our supposed saviour from the Rortsters?

Why should we question...hartigan has been a major shining light the last 2 seasons.

The magpies are flying

The answer is in black and white.

 

[BAGNF05]

If we have reached a point where there is alot of finger pointing within the ranks, we are in trouble.

I understand what you mean but I also get the shits seeing players keep making stupid errors and team mates going over to give them a cuddle. Teams with a winning culture and set standards can afford to do that but for us I think we need to strip things back and drive some standards about what is accepted and what isn’t. We don’t need to pull apart but there should be enough buy in from players to understand when you stuff up repeatedly it’s not acceptable.

Defensive effort is not as clear cut as ball handling. You can deny a lack of defensive effort whereas u can’t deny a handling error. I feel the finger pointing would be more around defense.


Keeping possession is part of your defence. Not giving away easy balls, dropping passes, stepping into touch, sloppy play the balls. It's all part of the same problem. It's on the players.

Ordinarily I would agree with you but to start both halves last night our defense was that bad our offense didn’t even get a sniff.

We were under the pump from the get go for sure but the poor handling in the first 20 minutes allowed the onslaught to continue. There were at least 3 incidents in that period where we had a chance for possession but just handed it back to the Storm meekly, so they could score more trys.

True, some bad errors but even worse defensive resilience. I’d be very surprised if we spent much time discussing attacking strategy in the aftermath.

 

[DGilly]

The Sharks were a struggling club for many years. Look at their premiership team, it is filled with quality characters renowned for their hard work and discipline who also were talented players. There is a small minority of DHs (Barba, arguably Fifita) but those few were immensely talented (better than any player on our team) and were forced to keep their heads on by the fact that their teammates were such great leaders.

Take Lewis for example, attitude of Elijah Taylor but the talent of Ryan Matterson. We can't keep getting one or the other, we need need both. We can only afford to have very talented but poorly disciplined players like JTJ and Luc if the majority of the team has their heads screwed on. Ultimately you can obsess over coaches "changing the culture" all you want but it really comes down to the player.

On our roster the players I think fit the ideal talent and intangible requirements are Doueihi, Laurie, Stefano, Twal, Simpkin, Joffa (I think?), Seyfarth, Tamou once upon a time but past it now. I probably left someone off I'm sure


I’d put Luke Lewis up as the example Wests Tigers need to recruit in the next 2-3 years. If he’s not a Luke Lewis type character he won’t make this joint any better.

Spot on. Make him the prototype