Its not all about the players

[Geo]

It is all about the players

In 2.5 years the playing group has changed significantly, yet they’re playing the same. The only constant is the coach and management. They need to go.

No mate it’s the players. They are the ones who drop balls, throw forward passes, miss tackles. We just don’t have the cattle at the moment to compete. That is slowly changing. You only need to look to the lower grades to know.

I disagree Mike. We’ve chopped and changed players a lot since Madge has arrived but unfortunately it’s made no difference. His coaching methods are antiquated and simply don’t work for the modern game. Our team is an embarrassment and he’s a large reason for it. He’s had 2.5 years, he’s failed, time to try something different. It doesn’t matter who we sign, with him at the helm we’ll never move forward.

Our lower grades success, in my opinion, is all Hartigan.

Well we disagree. Until we have actual NRL grade players results won’t change. Gladly that is happening, just not as quickly as everyone would like.

Our team now is much better than teams in previous years, but he can’t coach. Cleary got a team that was half as talented to play to their abilities, because he’s a good coach. We will never play finals with Madge as coach.

It’s a bottom 4 NRL squad. That’s the issue.

We finished higher previously with lesser squads. The problem is, he can’t coach. You bring Flanagan or another credentialed coach with an understanding of the modern game and we improve overnight.

It wouldn’t matter who the coach was, it’s a dud squad. Even Bellamy wouldn’t do any better, he be moving players on just like we are slowly.

If that’s the case, why did he sign them? 28/30 are his signings or re-signings.

You could put the Australian team under him and they’d struggle. His style is no longer relevant to the modern game.

And who are the two who aren't his signings? Very large and convenient part of the conversation left out. Remember he only cut the 27th dead wood out this offseason.

85% of the salary cap is made up of players he signed/re-signed. Of the two he didn’t sign, Mbye was a really good player under Cleary, but Madge doesn’t know how to use him or how to coach him. Packer was also effective under Cleary. Madge just can’t coach, that’s the problem.

Of course the bloke can coach, that is a silly statement.
Again players seem to escape there responsibilities to perform with effort, commitment and skill.

He USED to be able to coach. He can’t adapt his style to the modern game or the players under him. He can’t coach anymore.

Maguire can't coach anymore and we have a squad that should be camped in the top eight - both statements as ridiculous as each other.

That’s your opinion, but the bloke is done as a coach. More people are realising this each week.

More "people" like frustrated fans. Every fan of every club travelling poorly thinks the coach can't coach. Six weeks ago Des Hasler was washed up as well - but then he got his superstar player back and happy days at Manly again. No doubt the knives are out for Ricky Stuart atm too. Maguire will only last so long we all know that but let's not pretend the squad is any more than it is.

Yeah but Madge has been here almost 2.5 years. The longer he’s here the worse it gets. I can’t imagine how bad we’ll be by the end of the year. Get rid of him now, **bring in Flanagan or Morris and you’d see immediate improvement.**

How could you possibly know that? sorry another silly statement.

Because they’re both eons better than Madge as a coach.

Be careful what you wish for.

Lol as if it could be worse. Madge is hopeless.

It could be worse. We could have Bennett.

Bennett is a million times the coach Madge is.

Unca said Souff's were defending well against the Pamfers as the reason he didn't bring Benji on..

Imagine if Madge came out with that Zinger..

 

[avocadoontoast]

It is all about the players

In 2.5 years the playing group has changed significantly, yet they’re playing the same. The only constant is the coach and management. They need to go.

No mate it’s the players. They are the ones who drop balls, throw forward passes, miss tackles. We just don’t have the cattle at the moment to compete. That is slowly changing. You only need to look to the lower grades to know.

I disagree Mike. We’ve chopped and changed players a lot since Madge has arrived but unfortunately it’s made no difference. His coaching methods are antiquated and simply don’t work for the modern game. Our team is an embarrassment and he’s a large reason for it. He’s had 2.5 years, he’s failed, time to try something different. It doesn’t matter who we sign, with him at the helm we’ll never move forward.

Our lower grades success, in my opinion, is all Hartigan.

Well we disagree. Until we have actual NRL grade players results won’t change. Gladly that is happening, just not as quickly as everyone would like.

Our team now is much better than teams in previous years, but he can’t coach. Cleary got a team that was half as talented to play to their abilities, because he’s a good coach. We will never play finals with Madge as coach.

It’s a bottom 4 NRL squad. That’s the issue.

We finished higher previously with lesser squads. The problem is, he can’t coach. You bring Flanagan or another credentialed coach with an understanding of the modern game and we improve overnight.

It wouldn’t matter who the coach was, it’s a dud squad. Even Bellamy wouldn’t do any better, he be moving players on just like we are slowly.

If that’s the case, why did he sign them? 28/30 are his signings or re-signings.

You could put the Australian team under him and they’d struggle. His style is no longer relevant to the modern game.

And who are the two who aren't his signings? Very large and convenient part of the conversation left out. Remember he only cut the 27th dead wood out this offseason.

85% of the salary cap is made up of players he signed/re-signed. Of the two he didn’t sign, Mbye was a really good player under Cleary, but Madge doesn’t know how to use him or how to coach him. Packer was also effective under Cleary. Madge just can’t coach, that’s the problem.

Of course the bloke can coach, that is a silly statement.
Again players seem to escape there responsibilities to perform with effort, commitment and skill.

He USED to be able to coach. He can’t adapt his style to the modern game or the players under him. He can’t coach anymore.

Maguire can't coach anymore and we have a squad that should be camped in the top eight - both statements as ridiculous as each other.

That’s your opinion, but the bloke is done as a coach. More people are realising this each week.

More "people" like frustrated fans. Every fan of every club travelling poorly thinks the coach can't coach. Six weeks ago Des Hasler was washed up as well - but then he got his superstar player back and happy days at Manly again. No doubt the knives are out for Ricky Stuart atm too. Maguire will only last so long we all know that but let's not pretend the squad is any more than it is.

Yeah but Madge has been here almost 2.5 years. The longer he’s here the worse it gets. I can’t imagine how bad we’ll be by the end of the year. Get rid of him now, **bring in Flanagan or Morris and you’d see immediate improvement.**

How could you possibly know that? sorry another silly statement.

Because they’re both eons better than Madge as a coach.

Be careful what you wish for.

Lol as if it could be worse. Madge is hopeless.

It could be worse. We could have Bennett.

Bennett is a million times the coach Madge is.

Unca said Souff's were defending well against the Pamfers as the reason he didn't bring Benji on..

Imagine if Madge came out with that Zinger..

He didn’t say that. He said they were defending poorly as it is so why would he bring Benji on when he’s not known as a good defender.

 

[mike]

@mike @TrueTiger

Firstly, I'd like to make an effort to clear the air between us and hopefully move on from it.
I did take all your comments and observations into account during our exchanges, but when talk was going around in circles it made it difficult to communicate any further. (Don't think it needs to be rehashed)
I would however like you to know that I recognise/d the validity of what you noted and that I've actually been quite vocal in support of several of these matters - during ongoing discussions on the forum - yet merely didn't wish to get sucked into it all, as I found them immaterial to most points alluded to.
To whoever hinted I was questioning your passion as a supporter, I wasn't. I never once made any personal mention of neither of you, until calling you out in my final responses.

Please don't take the wrong way but as someone who handles tantrums because paint isn't the right shade of pink or someone looked at them the wrong way, there's no need to be brash. You only need to talk through it with me, as I'm always up for a healthy debate.
Just never tell me I'm wrong😉
... And that was a joke if you can't tell.

Thanks for the response @TrueTiger you're a true gentleman.

All good my end @Lauren, I hope it is with you as well. We are just passionate Wests Tigers supporters with strong opinions. Sometimes we agree and sometimes we don’t.

Bottom line though is we want Wests Tigers to win and become a powerhouse club !!! Now that would be a nice change.

 

[cochise]

@mike @TrueTiger

Firstly, I'd like to make an effort to clear the air between us and hopefully move on from it.
I did take all your comments and observations into account during our exchanges, but when talk was going around in circles it made it difficult to communicate any further. (Don't think it needs to be rehashed)
I would however like you to know that I recognise/d the validity of what you noted and that I've actually been quite vocal in support of several of these matters - during ongoing discussions on the forum - yet merely didn't wish to get sucked into it all, as I found them immaterial to most points alluded to.
To whoever hinted I was questioning your passion as a supporter, I wasn't. I never once made any personal mention of neither of you, until calling you out in my final responses.

Please don't take the wrong way but as someone who handles tantrums because paint isn't the right shade of pink or someone looked at them the wrong way, there's no need to be brash. You only need to talk through it with me, as I'm always up for a healthy debate.
Just never tell me I'm wrong😉
... And that was a joke if you can't tell.

Thanks for the response @TrueTiger you're a true gentleman.

@mike and @TrueTiger are good guys who don't hold a grudge, I have had multiple disagreements with each of them and I think we are still on pretty good terms. Most of the time it is my fault lol.

 

[hobbo1]

It is all about the players

In 2.5 years the playing group has changed significantly, yet they’re playing the same. The only constant is the coach and management. They need to go.

No mate it’s the players. They are the ones who drop balls, throw forward passes, miss tackles. We just don’t have the cattle at the moment to compete. That is slowly changing. You only need to look to the lower grades to know.

I disagree Mike. We’ve chopped and changed players a lot since Madge has arrived but unfortunately it’s made no difference. His coaching methods are antiquated and simply don’t work for the modern game. Our team is an embarrassment and he’s a large reason for it. He’s had 2.5 years, he’s failed, time to try something different. It doesn’t matter who we sign, with him at the helm we’ll never move forward.

Our lower grades success, in my opinion, is all Hartigan.

Well we disagree. Until we have actual NRL grade players results won’t change. Gladly that is happening, just not as quickly as everyone would like.

Our team now is much better than teams in previous years, but he can’t coach. Cleary got a team that was half as talented to play to their abilities, because he’s a good coach. We will never play finals with Madge as coach.

It’s a bottom 4 NRL squad. That’s the issue.

We finished higher previously with lesser squads. The problem is, he can’t coach. You bring Flanagan or another credentialed coach with an understanding of the modern game and we improve overnight.

It wouldn’t matter who the coach was, it’s a dud squad. Even Bellamy wouldn’t do any better, he be moving players on just like we are slowly.

If that’s the case, why did he sign them? 28/30 are his signings or re-signings.

You could put the Australian team under him and they’d struggle. His style is no longer relevant to the modern game.

And who are the two who aren't his signings? Very large and convenient part of the conversation left out. Remember he only cut the 27th dead wood out this offseason.

85% of the salary cap is made up of players he signed/re-signed. Of the two he didn’t sign, Mbye was a really good player under Cleary, but Madge doesn’t know how to use him or how to coach him. Packer was also effective under Cleary. Madge just can’t coach, that’s the problem.

Of course the bloke can coach, that is a silly statement.
Again players seem to escape there responsibilities to perform with effort, commitment and skill.

He USED to be able to coach. He can’t adapt his style to the modern game or the players under him. He can’t coach anymore.

Maguire can't coach anymore and we have a squad that should be camped in the top eight - both statements as ridiculous as each other.

That’s your opinion, but the bloke is done as a coach. More people are realising this each week.

More "people" like frustrated fans. Every fan of every club travelling poorly thinks the coach can't coach. Six weeks ago Des Hasler was washed up as well - but then he got his superstar player back and happy days at Manly again. No doubt the knives are out for Ricky Stuart atm too. Maguire will only last so long we all know that but let's not pretend the squad is any more than it is.

Yeah but Madge has been here almost 2.5 years. The longer he’s here the worse it gets. I can’t imagine how bad we’ll be by the end of the year. Get rid of him now, **bring in Flanagan or Morris and you’d see immediate improvement.**

How could you possibly know that? sorry another silly statement.

Because they’re both eons better than Madge as a coach.

Be careful what you wish for.

Lol as if it could be worse. Madge is hopeless.

It could be worse. We could have Bennett.

Bennett is a million times the coach Madge is.

Unca said Souff's were defending well against the Pamfers as the reason he didn't bring Benji on..

Imagine if Madge came out with that Zinger..

He didn’t say that. He said they were defending poorly as it is so why would he bring Benji on when he’s not known as a good defender.

Correct ..
Saved Benji the embarrassment

 

[TrueTiger]

I still cant believe that people blame the coach when players fail to tackle the opposition player because of arm grabbing or not completing tackles and allowing them to easily offload,find support..
these NRL CONTRACTED PLAYERS are on a wage to do a job,albeit some younger guys learning....Most in our squad should know the basics of the game....blame the coach,the assistants,the ball boys etc etc...
Our roster isnt up to top 8 teams, yet Madge gets the blame everytime the PLAYERS dont do their job properly that they were employed to do...

Madge definately has his faults,failing this club isnt one of them,the players are failing the themselves and the club...
The sooner people realise this harsh reality the better..

I blame him more for the poor game plan and terrible defensive structures. Still probably wouldn't sack him but I am getting closer.

Coshise,have you played the game at a reasonable level ?
The coach can have all the gameplans and structures in place, if the players cant comprehend how to play to those plans than what does that tell you...
eg I had a great coach in my day who was very strict,but fair,if I played and did my job,but my teamate(s) didnt do theirs,how would that reflect on the result..they all have to work as a unit and until all this team starts working as one we will lose to the better teams that do work as a unit ...the Warriors game should have shown you what happens when you play as a unit and want to win more,,,our team thought they done enough to win but were beaten by a team working together to win the game...pretty simple if you have the football smarts ....

This is one thing I don't like about your posts mate, this attitude of you played the game so you know better than others.

Yeah mate I played the game, yes at a reasonable level, actually played with one of the coaches people want as our coach, also coached the game and I think I am up to 3 NRL players I coached in their teens. Is my resume up to your standards for having an opinion?

Our defensive structures are as poor as I have seen at NRL level, I am not talking about missed tackles I am talking about how we defend, some of that is down to decision making but it is clear that some of these things are tactics.. The selection of Joffa in the second row was unforgivable, as I know for a fact Madge knew he wasn't a second rower. The game plan has been poor and there has been one noticeable sign of an adjustment in that plan. Players also don't want to sign with the club to play under him.

In saying all that, I wouldn't sack him but you can't say there aren't concerns.

So you would rather a keyboard warrior give an opinion that hasnt played the game...Ive never said anything about you personally,but you dont like my posts because I try to put some real perspective on the situations having played the game and been coached in my younger days by a person who played for Australia...
Forgive me father for I have sinned...

The part that gets people offside is "have you ever played the game?". Very condescending even if you don't mean it that way. And I agree overall with your argument about coach and players, it's just that you don't need to have played first-grade or rep football to have some idea how the game should/could be played.

Plenty of coaches out there who were very average sportspersons due to athleticism or injury or circumstance, but doesn't change the fact they have sharp sporting intellect.

Actually, and I know all of the following played footy at some decent level for some period, but the 3 best coaches in the modern game - Bellyache, Robinson, Bennett - were all pretty average footballers with modest (or worse) careers.

Thanks Jirskyre for putting my post into perspective..I have never wanted to be condesending toward anyone,particularly my forum friends...having said that,I just wanted to point out how difficult it is once you reach a high level of the game irrespective at club level or NRL,there is an expectation of performance from players through to coaches and it isnt an easy road,,,
I just wanted to point out to the younger people of the forum that things dont happen overnight when you want to win a premiership..
I did within my contract at Turvey Park in group nine for $10 a win in ressies or $50 a win in fg,work my butt off to keep my position and place within the squad...no mean feat when there are a number of people breathing down your neck to make a mistake or play poorly at any given game...
I spent hours and hours and hours passing ,kicking ,play the ball,running and working on calls that would be made during the game and would have to be in place and on the ball so they could work..
I have never been condensending to anyone,I just wanted them to understand what it takes to make grade at any level...so when I say I played the game I meant to let the youger people understand what it takes to fullfil the dream of playing NRL and rugby league at a very high level...It isnt all that it seems by just changing coaches or p[layers at a whim..contracts in my days were in place...if you broke a contract you probably wouldnt get a gig in any other club...sorry about the long post,but I think I needed to defend myself against people who THOUGHT I was condesending...it was never my intention...cheers...

 

[BZN]

It is all about the players

In 2.5 years the playing group has changed significantly, yet they’re playing the same. The only constant is the coach and management. They need to go.

No mate it’s the players. They are the ones who drop balls, throw forward passes, miss tackles. We just don’t have the cattle at the moment to compete. That is slowly changing. You only need to look to the lower grades to know.

I disagree Mike. We’ve chopped and changed players a lot since Madge has arrived but unfortunately it’s made no difference. His coaching methods are antiquated and simply don’t work for the modern game. Our team is an embarrassment and he’s a large reason for it. He’s had 2.5 years, he’s failed, time to try something different. It doesn’t matter who we sign, with him at the helm we’ll never move forward.

Our lower grades success, in my opinion, is all Hartigan.

Well we disagree. Until we have actual NRL grade players results won’t change. Gladly that is happening, just not as quickly as everyone would like.

Our team now is much better than teams in previous years, but he can’t coach. Cleary got a team that was half as talented to play to their abilities, because he’s a good coach. We will never play finals with Madge as coach.

It’s a bottom 4 NRL squad. That’s the issue.

We finished higher previously with lesser squads. The problem is, he can’t coach. You bring Flanagan or another credentialed coach with an understanding of the modern game and we improve overnight.

It wouldn’t matter who the coach was, it’s a dud squad. Even Bellamy wouldn’t do any better, he be moving players on just like we are slowly.

If that’s the case, why did he sign them? 28/30 are his signings or re-signings.

You could put the Australian team under him and they’d struggle. His style is no longer relevant to the modern game.

Wasn’t much on offer at the time. Things are changing slowly. Anyway we are not going to agree.

Mate, he isn't a good coach. What is the game plan he is trying to implement? Worst than that though is the fact players don't want to play under him.

That is plain to see for all but the rose coloured glasses brigade, he came here spruking defence is the issue, and he would fix it. Now going on 3 years later, where we used to leak 20 points a game, it is now 30 points a game and showing no sign of reversing this horrible trend.
You can't just keep blaming the players, he had a team conceding 20 a game, he chopped and changed it to a 30 point a game team.
The players look lost, Brooks is a prime example, he never seems to know what he is supposed to do, and more often than not takes the wrong option, that is a poor game plan, or no game plan at all.
I have seen interviews of players saying they didn't want to come because of Madge, it is no myth, and it surely is plain to see with the lack of good signings.
Morris would be a breath of fresh air for this club, Mr eggshells has left the building and still we are looking no better.

G'day 851 : I'm really interested to see those interviews of the players saying they dont want to play under Madge.
Are you able to post them on here? as they would add a lot to the anti Madge argument.

It was on FOX, they interviewed players, maybe The Fan, and a number of players said they heard he was too hard on his players and they wouldn't play under him.
You could say the players are just too soft, but that is the perception, and the reality is he can't land a big name, or any player for that matter that has a few clubs chasing them

[/QUOTE]

Posters on here claim things that simply aren't true, and one even admitted only a few days ago he couldn't support his claim.
As I have already said, I do respect your post and your view in relation to this matter :slightly_smiling_face:

 

[851]

It is all about the players

In 2.5 years the playing group has changed significantly, yet they’re playing the same. The only constant is the coach and management. They need to go.

No mate it’s the players. They are the ones who drop balls, throw forward passes, miss tackles. We just don’t have the cattle at the moment to compete. That is slowly changing. You only need to look to the lower grades to know.

I disagree Mike. We’ve chopped and changed players a lot since Madge has arrived but unfortunately it’s made no difference. His coaching methods are antiquated and simply don’t work for the modern game. Our team is an embarrassment and he’s a large reason for it. He’s had 2.5 years, he’s failed, time to try something different. It doesn’t matter who we sign, with him at the helm we’ll never move forward.

Our lower grades success, in my opinion, is all Hartigan.

Well we disagree. Until we have actual NRL grade players results won’t change. Gladly that is happening, just not as quickly as everyone would like.

Our team now is much better than teams in previous years, but he can’t coach. Cleary got a team that was half as talented to play to their abilities, because he’s a good coach. We will never play finals with Madge as coach.

It’s a bottom 4 NRL squad. That’s the issue.

We finished higher previously with lesser squads. The problem is, he can’t coach. You bring Flanagan or another credentialed coach with an understanding of the modern game and we improve overnight.

It wouldn’t matter who the coach was, it’s a dud squad. Even Bellamy wouldn’t do any better, he be moving players on just like we are slowly.

If that’s the case, why did he sign them? 28/30 are his signings or re-signings.

You could put the Australian team under him and they’d struggle. His style is no longer relevant to the modern game.

Wasn’t much on offer at the time. Things are changing slowly. Anyway we are not going to agree.

Mate, he isn't a good coach. What is the game plan he is trying to implement? Worst than that though is the fact players don't want to play under him.

That is plain to see for all but the rose coloured glasses brigade, he came here spruking defence is the issue, and he would fix it. Now going on 3 years later, where we used to leak 20 points a game, it is now 30 points a game and showing no sign of reversing this horrible trend.
You can't just keep blaming the players, he had a team conceding 20 a game, he chopped and changed it to a 30 point a game team.
The players look lost, Brooks is a prime example, he never seems to know what he is supposed to do, and more often than not takes the wrong option, that is a poor game plan, or no game plan at all.
I have seen interviews of players saying they didn't want to come because of Madge, it is no myth, and it surely is plain to see with the lack of good signings.
Morris would be a breath of fresh air for this club, Mr eggshells has left the building and still we are looking no better.

G'day 851 : I'm really interested to see those interviews of the players saying they dont want to play under Madge.
Are you able to post them on here? as they would add a lot to the anti Madge argument.

It was on FOX, they interviewed players, maybe The Fan, and a number of players said they heard he was too hard on his players and they wouldn't play under him.
You could say the players are just too soft, but that is the perception, and the reality is he can't land a big name, or any player for that matter that has a few clubs chasing them

Posters on here claim things that simply aren't true, and one even admitted only a few days ago he couldn't support his claim.
As I have already said, I do respect your post and your view in relation to this matter :slightly_smiling_face:

Reynolds and Burgess at souths had had enough of him, other players respect the opinions of those 2

 

[BZN]

It is all about the players

In 2.5 years the playing group has changed significantly, yet they’re playing the same. The only constant is the coach and management. They need to go.

No mate it’s the players. They are the ones who drop balls, throw forward passes, miss tackles. We just don’t have the cattle at the moment to compete. That is slowly changing. You only need to look to the lower grades to know.

I disagree Mike. We’ve chopped and changed players a lot since Madge has arrived but unfortunately it’s made no difference. His coaching methods are antiquated and simply don’t work for the modern game. Our team is an embarrassment and he’s a large reason for it. He’s had 2.5 years, he’s failed, time to try something different. It doesn’t matter who we sign, with him at the helm we’ll never move forward.

Our lower grades success, in my opinion, is all Hartigan.

Well we disagree. Until we have actual NRL grade players results won’t change. Gladly that is happening, just not as quickly as everyone would like.

Our team now is much better than teams in previous years, but he can’t coach. Cleary got a team that was half as talented to play to their abilities, because he’s a good coach. We will never play finals with Madge as coach.

It’s a bottom 4 NRL squad. That’s the issue.

We finished higher previously with lesser squads. The problem is, he can’t coach. You bring Flanagan or another credentialed coach with an understanding of the modern game and we improve overnight.

It wouldn’t matter who the coach was, it’s a dud squad. Even Bellamy wouldn’t do any better, he be moving players on just like we are slowly.

If that’s the case, why did he sign them? 28/30 are his signings or re-signings.

You could put the Australian team under him and they’d struggle. His style is no longer relevant to the modern game.

Wasn’t much on offer at the time. Things are changing slowly. Anyway we are not going to agree.

Mate, he isn't a good coach. What is the game plan he is trying to implement? Worst than that though is the fact players don't want to play under him.

That is plain to see for all but the rose coloured glasses brigade, he came here spruking defence is the issue, and he would fix it. Now going on 3 years later, where we used to leak 20 points a game, it is now 30 points a game and showing no sign of reversing this horrible trend.
You can't just keep blaming the players, he had a team conceding 20 a game, he chopped and changed it to a 30 point a game team.
The players look lost, Brooks is a prime example, he never seems to know what he is supposed to do, and more often than not takes the wrong option, that is a poor game plan, or no game plan at all.
I have seen interviews of players saying they didn't want to come because of Madge, it is no myth, and it surely is plain to see with the lack of good signings.
Morris would be a breath of fresh air for this club, Mr eggshells has left the building and still we are looking no better.

G'day 851 : I'm really interested to see those interviews of the players saying they dont want to play under Madge.
Are you able to post them on here? as they would add a lot to the anti Madge argument.

It was on FOX, they interviewed players, maybe The Fan, and a number of players said they heard he was too hard on his players and they wouldn't play under him.
You could say the players are just too soft, but that is the perception, and the reality is he can't land a big name, or any player for that matter that has a few clubs chasing them

Posters on here claim things that simply aren't true, and one even admitted only a few days ago he couldn't support his claim.
As I have already said, I do respect your post and your view in relation to this matter :slightly_smiling_face:

Reynolds and Burgess at souths had had enough of him, other players respect the opinions of those 2

Yep...fair enough :slightly_smiling_face:

 

[FinestTigers]

It is all about the players

In 2.5 years the playing group has changed significantly, yet they’re playing the same. The only constant is the coach and management. They need to go.

No mate it’s the players. They are the ones who drop balls, throw forward passes, miss tackles. We just don’t have the cattle at the moment to compete. That is slowly changing. You only need to look to the lower grades to know.

I disagree Mike. We’ve chopped and changed players a lot since Madge has arrived but unfortunately it’s made no difference. His coaching methods are antiquated and simply don’t work for the modern game. Our team is an embarrassment and he’s a large reason for it. He’s had 2.5 years, he’s failed, time to try something different. It doesn’t matter who we sign, with him at the helm we’ll never move forward.

Our lower grades success, in my opinion, is all Hartigan.

Well we disagree. Until we have actual NRL grade players results won’t change. Gladly that is happening, just not as quickly as everyone would like.

Our team now is much better than teams in previous years, but he can’t coach. Cleary got a team that was half as talented to play to their abilities, because he’s a good coach. We will never play finals with Madge as coach.

It’s a bottom 4 NRL squad. That’s the issue.

We finished higher previously with lesser squads. The problem is, he can’t coach. You bring Flanagan or another credentialed coach with an understanding of the modern game and we improve overnight.

It wouldn’t matter who the coach was, it’s a dud squad. Even Bellamy wouldn’t do any better, he be moving players on just like we are slowly.

If that’s the case, why did he sign them? 28/30 are his signings or re-signings.

You could put the Australian team under him and they’d struggle. His style is no longer relevant to the modern game.

Wasn’t much on offer at the time. Things are changing slowly. Anyway we are not going to agree.

Mate, he isn't a good coach. What is the game plan he is trying to implement? Worst than that though is the fact players don't want to play under him.

That is plain to see for all but the rose coloured glasses brigade, he came here spruking defence is the issue, and he would fix it. Now going on 3 years later, where we used to leak 20 points a game, it is now 30 points a game and showing no sign of reversing this horrible trend.
You can't just keep blaming the players, he had a team conceding 20 a game, he chopped and changed it to a 30 point a game team.
The players look lost, Brooks is a prime example, he never seems to know what he is supposed to do, and more often than not takes the wrong option, that is a poor game plan, or no game plan at all.
I have seen interviews of players saying they didn't want to come because of Madge, it is no myth, and it surely is plain to see with the lack of good signings.
Morris would be a breath of fresh air for this club, Mr eggshells has left the building and still we are looking no better.

G'day 851 : I'm really interested to see those interviews of the players saying they dont want to play under Madge.
Are you able to post them on here? as they would add a lot to the anti Madge argument.

It was on FOX, they interviewed players, maybe The Fan, and a number of players said they heard he was too hard on his players and they wouldn't play under him.
You could say the players are just too soft, but that is the perception, and the reality is he can't land a big name, or any player for that matter that has a few clubs chasing them

Posters on here claim things that simply aren't true, and one even admitted only a few days ago he couldn't support his claim.
As I have already said, I do respect your post and your view in relation to this matter :slightly_smiling_face:

Reynolds and Burgess at souths had had enough of him, other players respect the opinions of those 2

If this is true then these players would not want to play under most nrl coaches, can someone please name one nrl coach who would be the perfect coach but not being too tough with his players?
What about maybe the WIGGLES?

(i tried to add a photo here but couldn't do it)

 

[Swordy]

It is all about the players

In 2.5 years the playing group has changed significantly, yet they’re playing the same. The only constant is the coach and management. They need to go.

No mate it’s the players. They are the ones who drop balls, throw forward passes, miss tackles. We just don’t have the cattle at the moment to compete. That is slowly changing. You only need to look to the lower grades to know.

I disagree Mike. We’ve chopped and changed players a lot since Madge has arrived but unfortunately it’s made no difference. His coaching methods are antiquated and simply don’t work for the modern game. Our team is an embarrassment and he’s a large reason for it. He’s had 2.5 years, he’s failed, time to try something different. It doesn’t matter who we sign, with him at the helm we’ll never move forward.

Our lower grades success, in my opinion, is all Hartigan.

Well we disagree. Until we have actual NRL grade players results won’t change. Gladly that is happening, just not as quickly as everyone would like.

Our team now is much better than teams in previous years, but he can’t coach. Cleary got a team that was half as talented to play to their abilities, because he’s a good coach. We will never play finals with Madge as coach.

It’s a bottom 4 NRL squad. That’s the issue.

We finished higher previously with lesser squads. The problem is, he can’t coach. You bring Flanagan or another credentialed coach with an understanding of the modern game and we improve overnight.

It wouldn’t matter who the coach was, it’s a dud squad. Even Bellamy wouldn’t do any better, he be moving players on just like we are slowly.

If that’s the case, why did he sign them? 28/30 are his signings or re-signings.

You could put the Australian team under him and they’d struggle. His style is no longer relevant to the modern game.

And who are the two who aren't his signings? Very large and convenient part of the conversation left out. Remember he only cut the 27th dead wood out this offseason.

85% of the salary cap is made up of players he signed/re-signed. Of the two he didn’t sign, Mbye was a really good player under Cleary, but Madge doesn’t know how to use him or how to coach him. Packer was also effective under Cleary. Madge just can’t coach, that’s the problem.

Of course the bloke can coach, that is a silly statement.
Again players seem to escape there responsibilities to perform with effort, commitment and skill.

He USED to be able to coach. He can’t adapt his style to the modern game or the players under him. He can’t coach anymore.

Maguire can't coach anymore and we have a squad that should be camped in the top eight - both statements as ridiculous as each other.

That’s your opinion, but the bloke is done as a coach. More people are realising this each week.

More "people" like frustrated fans. Every fan of every club travelling poorly thinks the coach can't coach. Six weeks ago Des Hasler was washed up as well - but then he got his superstar player back and happy days at Manly again. No doubt the knives are out for Ricky Stuart atm too. Maguire will only last so long we all know that but let's not pretend the squad is any more than it is.

Yeah but Madge has been here almost 2.5 years. The longer he’s here the worse it gets. I can’t imagine how bad we’ll be by the end of the year. Get rid of him now, **bring in Flanagan or Morris and you’d see immediate improvement.**

How could you possibly know that? sorry another silly statement.

Because they’re both eons better than Madge as a coach.

Be careful what you wish for.

Lol as if it could be worse. Madge is hopeless.

It could be worse. We could have Bennett.

Bennett is a million times the coach Madge is.

Bennett is a better coach?

This kids, is why we say no to drugs.

 

[avocadoontoast]

It is all about the players

In 2.5 years the playing group has changed significantly, yet they’re playing the same. The only constant is the coach and management. They need to go.

No mate it’s the players. They are the ones who drop balls, throw forward passes, miss tackles. We just don’t have the cattle at the moment to compete. That is slowly changing. You only need to look to the lower grades to know.

I disagree Mike. We’ve chopped and changed players a lot since Madge has arrived but unfortunately it’s made no difference. His coaching methods are antiquated and simply don’t work for the modern game. Our team is an embarrassment and he’s a large reason for it. He’s had 2.5 years, he’s failed, time to try something different. It doesn’t matter who we sign, with him at the helm we’ll never move forward.

Our lower grades success, in my opinion, is all Hartigan.

Well we disagree. Until we have actual NRL grade players results won’t change. Gladly that is happening, just not as quickly as everyone would like.

Our team now is much better than teams in previous years, but he can’t coach. Cleary got a team that was half as talented to play to their abilities, because he’s a good coach. We will never play finals with Madge as coach.

It’s a bottom 4 NRL squad. That’s the issue.

We finished higher previously with lesser squads. The problem is, he can’t coach. You bring Flanagan or another credentialed coach with an understanding of the modern game and we improve overnight.

It wouldn’t matter who the coach was, it’s a dud squad. Even Bellamy wouldn’t do any better, he be moving players on just like we are slowly.

If that’s the case, why did he sign them? 28/30 are his signings or re-signings.

You could put the Australian team under him and they’d struggle. His style is no longer relevant to the modern game.

And who are the two who aren't his signings? Very large and convenient part of the conversation left out. Remember he only cut the 27th dead wood out this offseason.

85% of the salary cap is made up of players he signed/re-signed. Of the two he didn’t sign, Mbye was a really good player under Cleary, but Madge doesn’t know how to use him or how to coach him. Packer was also effective under Cleary. Madge just can’t coach, that’s the problem.

Of course the bloke can coach, that is a silly statement.
Again players seem to escape there responsibilities to perform with effort, commitment and skill.

He USED to be able to coach. He can’t adapt his style to the modern game or the players under him. He can’t coach anymore.

Maguire can't coach anymore and we have a squad that should be camped in the top eight - both statements as ridiculous as each other.

That’s your opinion, but the bloke is done as a coach. More people are realising this each week.

More "people" like frustrated fans. Every fan of every club travelling poorly thinks the coach can't coach. Six weeks ago Des Hasler was washed up as well - but then he got his superstar player back and happy days at Manly again. No doubt the knives are out for Ricky Stuart atm too. Maguire will only last so long we all know that but let's not pretend the squad is any more than it is.

Yeah but Madge has been here almost 2.5 years. The longer he’s here the worse it gets. I can’t imagine how bad we’ll be by the end of the year. Get rid of him now, **bring in Flanagan or Morris and you’d see immediate improvement.**

How could you possibly know that? sorry another silly statement.

Because they’re both eons better than Madge as a coach.

Be careful what you wish for.

Lol as if it could be worse. Madge is hopeless.

It could be worse. We could have Bennett.

Bennett is a million times the coach Madge is.

Bennett is a better coach?

This kids, is why we say no to drugs.

Lol are you kidding, you think Madge is a better coach than Bennett? Sorry mate but that is one of the most ridiculous things i've heard on this forum. You are looking at things in the most white, orange and black glasses ever made.

Bennett is one of the best coaches of all time. 7 premierships, >60% winning percentage and has missed the finals what, 3 times in 33 years of coaching? Madge isn't even in the top half of coaches in the NRL right now, in fact he's probably bottom 4.

 

[TheDaBoss]

It is all about the players

In 2.5 years the playing group has changed significantly, yet they’re playing the same. The only constant is the coach and management. They need to go.

No mate it’s the players. They are the ones who drop balls, throw forward passes, miss tackles. We just don’t have the cattle at the moment to compete. That is slowly changing. You only need to look to the lower grades to know.

I disagree Mike. We’ve chopped and changed players a lot since Madge has arrived but unfortunately it’s made no difference. His coaching methods are antiquated and simply don’t work for the modern game. Our team is an embarrassment and he’s a large reason for it. He’s had 2.5 years, he’s failed, time to try something different. It doesn’t matter who we sign, with him at the helm we’ll never move forward.

Our lower grades success, in my opinion, is all Hartigan.

Well we disagree. Until we have actual NRL grade players results won’t change. Gladly that is happening, just not as quickly as everyone would like.

Our team now is much better than teams in previous years, but he can’t coach. Cleary got a team that was half as talented to play to their abilities, because he’s a good coach. We will never play finals with Madge as coach.

It’s a bottom 4 NRL squad. That’s the issue.

We finished higher previously with lesser squads. The problem is, he can’t coach. You bring Flanagan or another credentialed coach with an understanding of the modern game and we improve overnight.

It wouldn’t matter who the coach was, it’s a dud squad. Even Bellamy wouldn’t do any better, he be moving players on just like we are slowly.

If that’s the case, why did he sign them? 28/30 are his signings or re-signings.

You could put the Australian team under him and they’d struggle. His style is no longer relevant to the modern game.

And who are the two who aren't his signings? Very large and convenient part of the conversation left out. Remember he only cut the 27th dead wood out this offseason.

85% of the salary cap is made up of players he signed/re-signed. Of the two he didn’t sign, Mbye was a really good player under Cleary, but Madge doesn’t know how to use him or how to coach him. Packer was also effective under Cleary. Madge just can’t coach, that’s the problem.

Of course the bloke can coach, that is a silly statement.
Again players seem to escape there responsibilities to perform with effort, commitment and skill.

He USED to be able to coach. He can’t adapt his style to the modern game or the players under him. He can’t coach anymore.

Maguire can't coach anymore and we have a squad that should be camped in the top eight - both statements as ridiculous as each other.

That’s your opinion, but the bloke is done as a coach. More people are realising this each week.

More "people" like frustrated fans. Every fan of every club travelling poorly thinks the coach can't coach. Six weeks ago Des Hasler was washed up as well - but then he got his superstar player back and happy days at Manly again. No doubt the knives are out for Ricky Stuart atm too. Maguire will only last so long we all know that but let's not pretend the squad is any more than it is.

Yeah but Madge has been here almost 2.5 years. The longer he’s here the worse it gets. I can’t imagine how bad we’ll be by the end of the year. Get rid of him now, **bring in Flanagan or Morris and you’d see immediate improvement.**

How could you possibly know that? sorry another silly statement.

Because they’re both eons better than Madge as a coach.

Be careful what you wish for.

Lol as if it could be worse. Madge is hopeless.

It could be worse. We could have Bennett.

Bennett is a million times the coach Madge is.

Unca said Souff's were defending well against the Pamfers as the reason he didn't bring Benji on..

Imagine if Madge came out with that Zinger..

He didn’t say that. He said they were defending poorly as it is so why would he bring Benji on when he’s not known as a good defender.

Correct ..
Saved Benji the embarrassment

Tbh i kinda wish benji did go on..would of been a good laugh

 

[jadtiger]

It is all about the players

In 2.5 years the playing group has changed significantly, yet they’re playing the same. The only constant is the coach and management. They need to go.

No mate it’s the players. They are the ones who drop balls, throw forward passes, miss tackles. We just don’t have the cattle at the moment to compete. That is slowly changing. You only need to look to the lower grades to know.

I disagree Mike. We’ve chopped and changed players a lot since Madge has arrived but unfortunately it’s made no difference. His coaching methods are antiquated and simply don’t work for the modern game. Our team is an embarrassment and he’s a large reason for it. He’s had 2.5 years, he’s failed, time to try something different. It doesn’t matter who we sign, with him at the helm we’ll never move forward.

Our lower grades success, in my opinion, is all Hartigan.

Well we disagree. Until we have actual NRL grade players results won’t change. Gladly that is happening, just not as quickly as everyone would like.

Our team now is much better than teams in previous years, but he can’t coach. Cleary got a team that was half as talented to play to their abilities, because he’s a good coach. We will never play finals with Madge as coach.

It’s a bottom 4 NRL squad. That’s the issue.

We finished higher previously with lesser squads. The problem is, he can’t coach. You bring Flanagan or another credentialed coach with an understanding of the modern game and we improve overnight.

It wouldn’t matter who the coach was, it’s a dud squad. Even Bellamy wouldn’t do any better, he be moving players on just like we are slowly.

If that’s the case, why did he sign them? 28/30 are his signings or re-signings.

You could put the Australian team under him and they’d struggle. His style is no longer relevant to the modern game.

And who are the two who aren't his signings? Very large and convenient part of the conversation left out. Remember he only cut the 27th dead wood out this offseason.

85% of the salary cap is made up of players he signed/re-signed. Of the two he didn’t sign, Mbye was a really good player under Cleary, but Madge doesn’t know how to use him or how to coach him. Packer was also effective under Cleary. Madge just can’t coach, that’s the problem.

Of course the bloke can coach, that is a silly statement.
Again players seem to escape there responsibilities to perform with effort, commitment and skill.

He USED to be able to coach. He can’t adapt his style to the modern game or the players under him. He can’t coach anymore.

Maguire can't coach anymore and we have a squad that should be camped in the top eight - both statements as ridiculous as each other.

That’s your opinion, but the bloke is done as a coach. More people are realising this each week.

More "people" like frustrated fans. Every fan of every club travelling poorly thinks the coach can't coach. Six weeks ago Des Hasler was washed up as well - but then he got his superstar player back and happy days at Manly again. No doubt the knives are out for Ricky Stuart atm too. Maguire will only last so long we all know that but let's not pretend the squad is any more than it is.

Yeah but Madge has been here almost 2.5 years. The longer he’s here the worse it gets. I can’t imagine how bad we’ll be by the end of the year. Get rid of him now, **bring in Flanagan or Morris and you’d see immediate improvement.**

How could you possibly know that? sorry another silly statement.

Because they’re both eons better than Madge as a coach.

Be careful what you wish for.

Lol as if it could be worse. Madge is hopeless.

It could be worse. We could have Bennett.

Bennett is a million times the coach Madge is.

Unca said Souff's were defending well against the Pamfers as the reason he didn't bring Benji on..

Imagine if Madge came out with that Zinger..

He didn’t say that. He said they were defending poorly as it is so why would he bring Benji on when he’s not known as a good defender.

Correct ..
Saved Benji the embarrassment

Tbh i kinda wish benji did go on..would of been a good laugh

He would have been "directing traffic" better than all of the others and giving his team mates filthy looks

 

[TheDaBoss]

It is all about the players

In 2.5 years the playing group has changed significantly, yet they’re playing the same. The only constant is the coach and management. They need to go.

No mate it’s the players. They are the ones who drop balls, throw forward passes, miss tackles. We just don’t have the cattle at the moment to compete. That is slowly changing. You only need to look to the lower grades to know.

I disagree Mike. We’ve chopped and changed players a lot since Madge has arrived but unfortunately it’s made no difference. His coaching methods are antiquated and simply don’t work for the modern game. Our team is an embarrassment and he’s a large reason for it. He’s had 2.5 years, he’s failed, time to try something different. It doesn’t matter who we sign, with him at the helm we’ll never move forward.

Our lower grades success, in my opinion, is all Hartigan.

Well we disagree. Until we have actual NRL grade players results won’t change. Gladly that is happening, just not as quickly as everyone would like.

Our team now is much better than teams in previous years, but he can’t coach. Cleary got a team that was half as talented to play to their abilities, because he’s a good coach. We will never play finals with Madge as coach.

It’s a bottom 4 NRL squad. That’s the issue.

We finished higher previously with lesser squads. The problem is, he can’t coach. You bring Flanagan or another credentialed coach with an understanding of the modern game and we improve overnight.

It wouldn’t matter who the coach was, it’s a dud squad. Even Bellamy wouldn’t do any better, he be moving players on just like we are slowly.

If that’s the case, why did he sign them? 28/30 are his signings or re-signings.

You could put the Australian team under him and they’d struggle. His style is no longer relevant to the modern game.

And who are the two who aren't his signings? Very large and convenient part of the conversation left out. Remember he only cut the 27th dead wood out this offseason.

85% of the salary cap is made up of players he signed/re-signed. Of the two he didn’t sign, Mbye was a really good player under Cleary, but Madge doesn’t know how to use him or how to coach him. Packer was also effective under Cleary. Madge just can’t coach, that’s the problem.

Of course the bloke can coach, that is a silly statement.
Again players seem to escape there responsibilities to perform with effort, commitment and skill.

He USED to be able to coach. He can’t adapt his style to the modern game or the players under him. He can’t coach anymore.

Maguire can't coach anymore and we have a squad that should be camped in the top eight - both statements as ridiculous as each other.

That’s your opinion, but the bloke is done as a coach. More people are realising this each week.

More "people" like frustrated fans. Every fan of every club travelling poorly thinks the coach can't coach. Six weeks ago Des Hasler was washed up as well - but then he got his superstar player back and happy days at Manly again. No doubt the knives are out for Ricky Stuart atm too. Maguire will only last so long we all know that but let's not pretend the squad is any more than it is.

Yeah but Madge has been here almost 2.5 years. The longer he’s here the worse it gets. I can’t imagine how bad we’ll be by the end of the year. Get rid of him now, **bring in Flanagan or Morris and you’d see immediate improvement.**

How could you possibly know that? sorry another silly statement.

Because they’re both eons better than Madge as a coach.

Be careful what you wish for.

Lol as if it could be worse. Madge is hopeless.

It could be worse. We could have Bennett.

Bennett is a million times the coach Madge is.

Unca said Souff's were defending well against the Pamfers as the reason he didn't bring Benji on..

Imagine if Madge came out with that Zinger..

He didn’t say that. He said they were defending poorly as it is so why would he bring Benji on when he’s not known as a good defender.

Correct ..
Saved Benji the embarrassment

Tbh i kinda wish benji did go on..would of been a good laugh


He would have been "directing traffic" better than all of the others and giving his team mates filthy looks

*becomes a turnstyle* blows up to cook about letting thru chin lol

 

[Telltails]

It is all about the players

In 2.5 years the playing group has changed significantly, yet they’re playing the same. The only constant is the coach and management. They need to go.

No mate it’s the players. They are the ones who drop balls, throw forward passes, miss tackles. We just don’t have the cattle at the moment to compete. That is slowly changing. You only need to look to the lower grades to know.

I disagree Mike. We’ve chopped and changed players a lot since Madge has arrived but unfortunately it’s made no difference. His coaching methods are antiquated and simply don’t work for the modern game. Our team is an embarrassment and he’s a large reason for it. He’s had 2.5 years, he’s failed, time to try something different. It doesn’t matter who we sign, with him at the helm we’ll never move forward.

Our lower grades success, in my opinion, is all Hartigan.

Well we disagree. Until we have actual NRL grade players results won’t change. Gladly that is happening, just not as quickly as everyone would like.

Our team now is much better than teams in previous years, but he can’t coach. Cleary got a team that was half as talented to play to their abilities, because he’s a good coach. We will never play finals with Madge as coach.

It’s a bottom 4 NRL squad. That’s the issue.

We finished higher previously with lesser squads. The problem is, he can’t coach. You bring Flanagan or another credentialed coach with an understanding of the modern game and we improve overnight.

It wouldn’t matter who the coach was, it’s a dud squad. Even Bellamy wouldn’t do any better, he be moving players on just like we are slowly.

If that’s the case, why did he sign them? 28/30 are his signings or re-signings.

You could put the Australian team under him and they’d struggle. His style is no longer relevant to the modern game.

And who are the two who aren't his signings? Very large and convenient part of the conversation left out. Remember he only cut the 27th dead wood out this offseason.

85% of the salary cap is made up of players he signed/re-signed. Of the two he didn’t sign, Mbye was a really good player under Cleary, but Madge doesn’t know how to use him or how to coach him. Packer was also effective under Cleary. Madge just can’t coach, that’s the problem.

Of course the bloke can coach, that is a silly statement.
Again players seem to escape there responsibilities to perform with effort, commitment and skill.

He USED to be able to coach. He can’t adapt his style to the modern game or the players under him. He can’t coach anymore.

Maguire can't coach anymore and we have a squad that should be camped in the top eight - both statements as ridiculous as each other.

That’s your opinion, but the bloke is done as a coach. More people are realising this each week.

More "people" like frustrated fans. Every fan of every club travelling poorly thinks the coach can't coach. Six weeks ago Des Hasler was washed up as well - but then he got his superstar player back and happy days at Manly again. No doubt the knives are out for Ricky Stuart atm too. Maguire will only last so long we all know that but let's not pretend the squad is any more than it is.

Yeah but Madge has been here almost 2.5 years. The longer he’s here the worse it gets. I can’t imagine how bad we’ll be by the end of the year. Get rid of him now, **bring in Flanagan or Morris and you’d see immediate improvement.**

How could you possibly know that? sorry another silly statement.

Because they’re both eons better than Madge as a coach.

Be careful what you wish for.

Lol as if it could be worse. Madge is hopeless.

It could be worse. We could have Bennett.

Bennett is a million times the coach Madge is.

Bennett is a better coach?

This kids, is why we say no to drugs.

Lol are you kidding, you think Madge is a better coach than Bennett? Sorry mate but that is one of the most ridiculous things i've heard on this forum. You are looking at things in the most white, orange and black glasses ever made.

Bennett is one of the best coaches of all time. 7 premierships, >60% winning percentage and has missed the finals what, 3 times in 33 years of coaching? Madge isn't even in the top half of coaches in the NRL right now, in fact he's probably bottom 4.

Bennett is not an idiot he would never take on a rebuild.

 

[Swordy]

It is all about the players

In 2.5 years the playing group has changed significantly, yet they’re playing the same. The only constant is the coach and management. They need to go.

No mate it’s the players. They are the ones who drop balls, throw forward passes, miss tackles. We just don’t have the cattle at the moment to compete. That is slowly changing. You only need to look to the lower grades to know.

I disagree Mike. We’ve chopped and changed players a lot since Madge has arrived but unfortunately it’s made no difference. His coaching methods are antiquated and simply don’t work for the modern game. Our team is an embarrassment and he’s a large reason for it. He’s had 2.5 years, he’s failed, time to try something different. It doesn’t matter who we sign, with him at the helm we’ll never move forward.

Our lower grades success, in my opinion, is all Hartigan.

Well we disagree. Until we have actual NRL grade players results won’t change. Gladly that is happening, just not as quickly as everyone would like.

Our team now is much better than teams in previous years, but he can’t coach. Cleary got a team that was half as talented to play to their abilities, because he’s a good coach. We will never play finals with Madge as coach.

It’s a bottom 4 NRL squad. That’s the issue.

We finished higher previously with lesser squads. The problem is, he can’t coach. You bring Flanagan or another credentialed coach with an understanding of the modern game and we improve overnight.

It wouldn’t matter who the coach was, it’s a dud squad. Even Bellamy wouldn’t do any better, he be moving players on just like we are slowly.

If that’s the case, why did he sign them? 28/30 are his signings or re-signings.

You could put the Australian team under him and they’d struggle. His style is no longer relevant to the modern game.

And who are the two who aren't his signings? Very large and convenient part of the conversation left out. Remember he only cut the 27th dead wood out this offseason.

85% of the salary cap is made up of players he signed/re-signed. Of the two he didn’t sign, Mbye was a really good player under Cleary, but Madge doesn’t know how to use him or how to coach him. Packer was also effective under Cleary. Madge just can’t coach, that’s the problem.

Of course the bloke can coach, that is a silly statement.
Again players seem to escape there responsibilities to perform with effort, commitment and skill.

He USED to be able to coach. He can’t adapt his style to the modern game or the players under him. He can’t coach anymore.

Maguire can't coach anymore and we have a squad that should be camped in the top eight - both statements as ridiculous as each other.

That’s your opinion, but the bloke is done as a coach. More people are realising this each week.

More "people" like frustrated fans. Every fan of every club travelling poorly thinks the coach can't coach. Six weeks ago Des Hasler was washed up as well - but then he got his superstar player back and happy days at Manly again. No doubt the knives are out for Ricky Stuart atm too. Maguire will only last so long we all know that but let's not pretend the squad is any more than it is.

Yeah but Madge has been here almost 2.5 years. The longer he’s here the worse it gets. I can’t imagine how bad we’ll be by the end of the year. Get rid of him now, **bring in Flanagan or Morris and you’d see immediate improvement.**

How could you possibly know that? sorry another silly statement.

Because they’re both eons better than Madge as a coach.

Be careful what you wish for.

Lol as if it could be worse. Madge is hopeless.

It could be worse. We could have Bennett.

Bennett is a million times the coach Madge is.

Bennett is a better coach?

This kids, is why we say no to drugs.

Lol are you kidding, you think Madge is a better coach than Bennett? Sorry mate but that is one of the most ridiculous things i've heard on this forum. You are looking at things in the most white, orange and black glasses ever made.

Bennett is one of the best coaches of all time. 7 premierships, >60% winning percentage and has missed the finals what, 3 times in 33 years of coaching? Madge isn't even in the top half of coaches in the NRL right now, in fact he's probably bottom 4.

Lets have a good look at Bennett now youve raised it.

Last comp 10 years ago, that was taking StGeorge from a top 4 team to winners when the board let the money loose,which they wouldnt do for the previous coach, but lets track this factually through time.

All his years at the Broncos, in one team town which was NRL contract legislated, and without a salary cap. All he managed was 6 out of 20 years. Sounds impressive and credit where its due, but he had UNLIMITED money and the best players. Probably should have won 15 comps!

Surprisingly not, once the 'clydesdales' were caught and shut down, thats right, the well known group of businessmen who funded the Broncos under the table, he was out of there.

Off he goes to the dragons. Already a top 8 side with the open and well publicised promise from CEO Doust that money is no object. He wins 1 comp from 4 years. And with the money drying up and promises from a cashed up Newcastle....he is gone. Mind you, St George have not recovered since. FACT.

Welcome Nathan Tinkler. Minings 'pretend' billionaire from the Hunter and along comes old Wayne. Well, Wayne couldnt even see out his contract because coincidentally,Tinklers bubble burst in a hurry, money was gone, and Wayne was feeling homesick?. Newcastle then suffered, like St George, the Bennett hangover with big stars on too much (and secret) money...and numerous wooden spoons since, they have not recovered. FACT

Back to Brisbane after the lure of a cash injection to the club, but it didnt materialise and he was out of there in quick time. Credit though, he made a GF and got beat. But, there is that Bennett hangover again, several coaches later....still suffering. FACT

Off to Souths and multi millionaire owner Russell Crowe. Well, that has yielded duck egg and he didnt even ask to stay when it was clear that Rusty was sick of bleeding money and was going to become fiscally responsible. The non signing of Reynolds and edict of no more long term contracts is evidence of that. Those supercoach words "im outta here" have been heard again.

Lets talk coaching of England. Sacked because he was crap. Cant win without money and cattle can you supercoach?

The guy is a myth. Obviously a good man manager and popular with the players cause he lets them do what they want. His early years in Brisbane prove that. Oh so many hidden stories....

He has NEVER taken on a rebuild. He coaches top 6 teams and gets the extra cash in the hope of a premiership. He almost always leaves the club in a state of disrepair, and NEVER builds the junior base or feeder clubs, hence why every club he has been to, including the broncos when he leaves, is instantly on its knees because there is no structure. Cant blame the next coaches after him,who have to rebuild the wreckage left.

Once again, the guy is a myth. Plain and simple.

 

[avocadoontoast]

It is all about the players

In 2.5 years the playing group has changed significantly, yet they’re playing the same. The only constant is the coach and management. They need to go.

No mate it’s the players. They are the ones who drop balls, throw forward passes, miss tackles. We just don’t have the cattle at the moment to compete. That is slowly changing. You only need to look to the lower grades to know.

I disagree Mike. We’ve chopped and changed players a lot since Madge has arrived but unfortunately it’s made no difference. His coaching methods are antiquated and simply don’t work for the modern game. Our team is an embarrassment and he’s a large reason for it. He’s had 2.5 years, he’s failed, time to try something different. It doesn’t matter who we sign, with him at the helm we’ll never move forward.

Our lower grades success, in my opinion, is all Hartigan.

Well we disagree. Until we have actual NRL grade players results won’t change. Gladly that is happening, just not as quickly as everyone would like.

Our team now is much better than teams in previous years, but he can’t coach. Cleary got a team that was half as talented to play to their abilities, because he’s a good coach. We will never play finals with Madge as coach.

It’s a bottom 4 NRL squad. That’s the issue.

We finished higher previously with lesser squads. The problem is, he can’t coach. You bring Flanagan or another credentialed coach with an understanding of the modern game and we improve overnight.

It wouldn’t matter who the coach was, it’s a dud squad. Even Bellamy wouldn’t do any better, he be moving players on just like we are slowly.

If that’s the case, why did he sign them? 28/30 are his signings or re-signings.

You could put the Australian team under him and they’d struggle. His style is no longer relevant to the modern game.

And who are the two who aren't his signings? Very large and convenient part of the conversation left out. Remember he only cut the 27th dead wood out this offseason.

85% of the salary cap is made up of players he signed/re-signed. Of the two he didn’t sign, Mbye was a really good player under Cleary, but Madge doesn’t know how to use him or how to coach him. Packer was also effective under Cleary. Madge just can’t coach, that’s the problem.

Of course the bloke can coach, that is a silly statement.
Again players seem to escape there responsibilities to perform with effort, commitment and skill.

He USED to be able to coach. He can’t adapt his style to the modern game or the players under him. He can’t coach anymore.

Maguire can't coach anymore and we have a squad that should be camped in the top eight - both statements as ridiculous as each other.

That’s your opinion, but the bloke is done as a coach. More people are realising this each week.

More "people" like frustrated fans. Every fan of every club travelling poorly thinks the coach can't coach. Six weeks ago Des Hasler was washed up as well - but then he got his superstar player back and happy days at Manly again. No doubt the knives are out for Ricky Stuart atm too. Maguire will only last so long we all know that but let's not pretend the squad is any more than it is.

Yeah but Madge has been here almost 2.5 years. The longer he’s here the worse it gets. I can’t imagine how bad we’ll be by the end of the year. Get rid of him now, **bring in Flanagan or Morris and you’d see immediate improvement.**

How could you possibly know that? sorry another silly statement.

Because they’re both eons better than Madge as a coach.

Be careful what you wish for.

Lol as if it could be worse. Madge is hopeless.

It could be worse. We could have Bennett.

Bennett is a million times the coach Madge is.

Bennett is a better coach?

This kids, is why we say no to drugs.

Lol are you kidding, you think Madge is a better coach than Bennett? Sorry mate but that is one of the most ridiculous things i've heard on this forum. You are looking at things in the most white, orange and black glasses ever made.

Bennett is one of the best coaches of all time. 7 premierships, >60% winning percentage and has missed the finals what, 3 times in 33 years of coaching? Madge isn't even in the top half of coaches in the NRL right now, in fact he's probably bottom 4.

Lets have a good look at Bennett now youve raised it.

Last comp 10 years ago, that was taking StGeorge from a top 4 team to winners when the board let the money loose,which they wouldnt do for the previous coach, but lets track this factually through time.

All his years at the Broncos, in one team town which was NRL contract legislated, and without a salary cap. All he managed was 6 out of 20 years. Sounds impressive and credit where its due,but he had UNLIMITED money and the best players. Probably should have won 15 comps!

Surprisingly not, once the 'clydesdales' were caught and shut down, thats right, the group of businessmen who funded the Bro cos under the table, he was out of there.

Off he goes to the dragons. Already a top 8 side with the promise from CEO Doust that money is no object. He wins 1 comp from 4 years. And withthemoney drying up and promises from a cashed up Newcastle....he is gone. Mind you,St George have not recovered since. FACT.

Welcome Nathan Tinkler. Minings pretend billionaire from the Hunter and along comes old Wayne. Well, Wayne couldnt even see out his contract because coincidentally,Tinklers bubble burst, money was gone, and Wayne was feeling homesick. Newcastle then suffered, like St George, the Bennett hangover with big stars on too much (and secret) money...and numerous wooden spoons since, they havenot recovered.

Back to Brisbane after the lure of a cash injection to the club, but it didnt materialise and he was out of there in quick time. Credit though, he made a GF and got beat. But, there is that Bennett hangover again, several coaches later....still suffering.

Off to Souths and multi millionaire owner Russell Crowe. Well, that has yielded duck eggand he didnt even ask to stay when it was clear that Rusty was sick of bleeding money and was going to become fiscally responsible. Those supercoach words "im outta here" have been heard again.

Lets talk coaching of England. Sacked because he was crap. Can win without money and cattle can you supercoach?

The guy is a myth. Obviously a good man manager and popular with the players cause he lets them do what they want. His early years in Brisbane prove that.
He has NEVER taken on a rebuild. He coaches top 6 teams and gets the extra cash in the hope of a premiership. He almost always leaves the club in a state of disrepair, and NEVER builds the junior base or feeder clubs, hence why every club he has been to, including the broncos when he leaves, is instantly on its knees because there is no structure.

Once again, the guy is a myth. Plain and simple.

Now do the same for Madge.

 

[Swordy]

It is all about the players

In 2.5 years the playing group has changed significantly, yet they’re playing the same. The only constant is the coach and management. They need to go.

No mate it’s the players. They are the ones who drop balls, throw forward passes, miss tackles. We just don’t have the cattle at the moment to compete. That is slowly changing. You only need to look to the lower grades to know.

I disagree Mike. We’ve chopped and changed players a lot since Madge has arrived but unfortunately it’s made no difference. His coaching methods are antiquated and simply don’t work for the modern game. Our team is an embarrassment and he’s a large reason for it. He’s had 2.5 years, he’s failed, time to try something different. It doesn’t matter who we sign, with him at the helm we’ll never move forward.

Our lower grades success, in my opinion, is all Hartigan.

Well we disagree. Until we have actual NRL grade players results won’t change. Gladly that is happening, just not as quickly as everyone would like.

Our team now is much better than teams in previous years, but he can’t coach. Cleary got a team that was half as talented to play to their abilities, because he’s a good coach. We will never play finals with Madge as coach.

It’s a bottom 4 NRL squad. That’s the issue.

We finished higher previously with lesser squads. The problem is, he can’t coach. You bring Flanagan or another credentialed coach with an understanding of the modern game and we improve overnight.

It wouldn’t matter who the coach was, it’s a dud squad. Even Bellamy wouldn’t do any better, he be moving players on just like we are slowly.

If that’s the case, why did he sign them? 28/30 are his signings or re-signings.

You could put the Australian team under him and they’d struggle. His style is no longer relevant to the modern game.

And who are the two who aren't his signings? Very large and convenient part of the conversation left out. Remember he only cut the 27th dead wood out this offseason.

85% of the salary cap is made up of players he signed/re-signed. Of the two he didn’t sign, Mbye was a really good player under Cleary, but Madge doesn’t know how to use him or how to coach him. Packer was also effective under Cleary. Madge just can’t coach, that’s the problem.

Of course the bloke can coach, that is a silly statement.
Again players seem to escape there responsibilities to perform with effort, commitment and skill.

He USED to be able to coach. He can’t adapt his style to the modern game or the players under him. He can’t coach anymore.

Maguire can't coach anymore and we have a squad that should be camped in the top eight - both statements as ridiculous as each other.

That’s your opinion, but the bloke is done as a coach. More people are realising this each week.

More "people" like frustrated fans. Every fan of every club travelling poorly thinks the coach can't coach. Six weeks ago Des Hasler was washed up as well - but then he got his superstar player back and happy days at Manly again. No doubt the knives are out for Ricky Stuart atm too. Maguire will only last so long we all know that but let's not pretend the squad is any more than it is.

Yeah but Madge has been here almost 2.5 years. The longer he’s here the worse it gets. I can’t imagine how bad we’ll be by the end of the year. Get rid of him now, **bring in Flanagan or Morris and you’d see immediate improvement.**

How could you possibly know that? sorry another silly statement.

Because they’re both eons better than Madge as a coach.

Be careful what you wish for.

Lol as if it could be worse. Madge is hopeless.

It could be worse. We could have Bennett.

Bennett is a million times the coach Madge is.

Bennett is a better coach?

This kids, is why we say no to drugs.

Lol are you kidding, you think Madge is a better coach than Bennett? Sorry mate but that is one of the most ridiculous things i've heard on this forum. You are looking at things in the most white, orange and black glasses ever made.

Bennett is one of the best coaches of all time. 7 premierships, >60% winning percentage and has missed the finals what, 3 times in 33 years of coaching? Madge isn't even in the top half of coaches in the NRL right now, in fact he's probably bottom 4.

Lets have a good look at Bennett now youve raised it.

Last comp 10 years ago, that was taking StGeorge from a top 4 team to winners when the board let the money loose,which they wouldnt do for the previous coach, but lets track this factually through time.

All his years at the Broncos, in one team town which was NRL contract legislated, and without a salary cap. All he managed was 6 out of 20 years. Sounds impressive and credit where its due,but he had UNLIMITED money and the best players. Probably should have won 15 comps!

Surprisingly not, once the 'clydesdales' were caught and shut down, thats right, the group of businessmen who funded the Bro cos under the table, he was out of there.

Off he goes to the dragons. Already a top 8 side with the promise from CEO Doust that money is no object. He wins 1 comp from 4 years. And withthemoney drying up and promises from a cashed up Newcastle....he is gone. Mind you,St George have not recovered since. FACT.

Welcome Nathan Tinkler. Minings pretend billionaire from the Hunter and along comes old Wayne. Well, Wayne couldnt even see out his contract because coincidentally,Tinklers bubble burst, money was gone, and Wayne was feeling homesick. Newcastle then suffered, like St George, the Bennett hangover with big stars on too much (and secret) money...and numerous wooden spoons since, they havenot recovered.

Back to Brisbane after the lure of a cash injection to the club, but it didnt materialise and he was out of there in quick time. Credit though, he made a GF and got beat. But, there is that Bennett hangover again, several coaches later....still suffering.

Off to Souths and multi millionaire owner Russell Crowe. Well, that has yielded duck eggand he didnt even ask to stay when it was clear that Rusty was sick of bleeding money and was going to become fiscally responsible. Those supercoach words "im outta here" have been heard again.

Lets talk coaching of England. Sacked because he was crap. Can win without money and cattle can you supercoach?

The guy is a myth. Obviously a good man manager and popular with the players cause he lets them do what they want. His early years in Brisbane prove that.
He has NEVER taken on a rebuild. He coaches top 6 teams and gets the extra cash in the hope of a premiership. He almost always leaves the club in a state of disrepair, and NEVER builds the junior base or feeder clubs, hence why every club he has been to, including the broncos when he leaves, is instantly on its knees because there is no structure.

Once again, the guy is a myth. Plain and simple.

Now do the same for Madge.

I dont have to. Everyones record is there to be seen. He has won comps with lesser money and with lesser teams. Anyone can judge the two, but consider facts and truth. Its subjective. Stats suck as 7 premierships and 60%+ win rate only tell part of a story and im not blinded by the myth.

 

[avocadoontoast]

It is all about the players

In 2.5 years the playing group has changed significantly, yet they’re playing the same. The only constant is the coach and management. They need to go.

No mate it’s the players. They are the ones who drop balls, throw forward passes, miss tackles. We just don’t have the cattle at the moment to compete. That is slowly changing. You only need to look to the lower grades to know.

I disagree Mike. We’ve chopped and changed players a lot since Madge has arrived but unfortunately it’s made no difference. His coaching methods are antiquated and simply don’t work for the modern game. Our team is an embarrassment and he’s a large reason for it. He’s had 2.5 years, he’s failed, time to try something different. It doesn’t matter who we sign, with him at the helm we’ll never move forward.

Our lower grades success, in my opinion, is all Hartigan.

Well we disagree. Until we have actual NRL grade players results won’t change. Gladly that is happening, just not as quickly as everyone would like.

Our team now is much better than teams in previous years, but he can’t coach. Cleary got a team that was half as talented to play to their abilities, because he’s a good coach. We will never play finals with Madge as coach.

It’s a bottom 4 NRL squad. That’s the issue.

We finished higher previously with lesser squads. The problem is, he can’t coach. You bring Flanagan or another credentialed coach with an understanding of the modern game and we improve overnight.

It wouldn’t matter who the coach was, it’s a dud squad. Even Bellamy wouldn’t do any better, he be moving players on just like we are slowly.

If that’s the case, why did he sign them? 28/30 are his signings or re-signings.

You could put the Australian team under him and they’d struggle. His style is no longer relevant to the modern game.

And who are the two who aren't his signings? Very large and convenient part of the conversation left out. Remember he only cut the 27th dead wood out this offseason.

85% of the salary cap is made up of players he signed/re-signed. Of the two he didn’t sign, Mbye was a really good player under Cleary, but Madge doesn’t know how to use him or how to coach him. Packer was also effective under Cleary. Madge just can’t coach, that’s the problem.

Of course the bloke can coach, that is a silly statement.
Again players seem to escape there responsibilities to perform with effort, commitment and skill.

He USED to be able to coach. He can’t adapt his style to the modern game or the players under him. He can’t coach anymore.

Maguire can't coach anymore and we have a squad that should be camped in the top eight - both statements as ridiculous as each other.

That’s your opinion, but the bloke is done as a coach. More people are realising this each week.

More "people" like frustrated fans. Every fan of every club travelling poorly thinks the coach can't coach. Six weeks ago Des Hasler was washed up as well - but then he got his superstar player back and happy days at Manly again. No doubt the knives are out for Ricky Stuart atm too. Maguire will only last so long we all know that but let's not pretend the squad is any more than it is.

Yeah but Madge has been here almost 2.5 years. The longer he’s here the worse it gets. I can’t imagine how bad we’ll be by the end of the year. Get rid of him now, **bring in Flanagan or Morris and you’d see immediate improvement.**

How could you possibly know that? sorry another silly statement.

Because they’re both eons better than Madge as a coach.

Be careful what you wish for.

Lol as if it could be worse. Madge is hopeless.

It could be worse. We could have Bennett.

Bennett is a million times the coach Madge is.

Bennett is a better coach?

This kids, is why we say no to drugs.

Lol are you kidding, you think Madge is a better coach than Bennett? Sorry mate but that is one of the most ridiculous things i've heard on this forum. You are looking at things in the most white, orange and black glasses ever made.

Bennett is one of the best coaches of all time. 7 premierships, >60% winning percentage and has missed the finals what, 3 times in 33 years of coaching? Madge isn't even in the top half of coaches in the NRL right now, in fact he's probably bottom 4.

Lets have a good look at Bennett now youve raised it.

Last comp 10 years ago, that was taking StGeorge from a top 4 team to winners when the board let the money loose,which they wouldnt do for the previous coach, but lets track this factually through time.

All his years at the Broncos, in one team town which was NRL contract legislated, and without a salary cap. All he managed was 6 out of 20 years. Sounds impressive and credit where its due,but he had UNLIMITED money and the best players. Probably should have won 15 comps!

Surprisingly not, once the 'clydesdales' were caught and shut down, thats right, the group of businessmen who funded the Bro cos under the table, he was out of there.

Off he goes to the dragons. Already a top 8 side with the promise from CEO Doust that money is no object. He wins 1 comp from 4 years. And withthemoney drying up and promises from a cashed up Newcastle....he is gone. Mind you,St George have not recovered since. FACT.

Welcome Nathan Tinkler. Minings pretend billionaire from the Hunter and along comes old Wayne. Well, Wayne couldnt even see out his contract because coincidentally,Tinklers bubble burst, money was gone, and Wayne was feeling homesick. Newcastle then suffered, like St George, the Bennett hangover with big stars on too much (and secret) money...and numerous wooden spoons since, they havenot recovered.

Back to Brisbane after the lure of a cash injection to the club, but it didnt materialise and he was out of there in quick time. Credit though, he made a GF and got beat. But, there is that Bennett hangover again, several coaches later....still suffering.

Off to Souths and multi millionaire owner Russell Crowe. Well, that has yielded duck eggand he didnt even ask to stay when it was clear that Rusty was sick of bleeding money and was going to become fiscally responsible. Those supercoach words "im outta here" have been heard again.

Lets talk coaching of England. Sacked because he was crap. Can win without money and cattle can you supercoach?

The guy is a myth. Obviously a good man manager and popular with the players cause he lets them do what they want. His early years in Brisbane prove that.
He has NEVER taken on a rebuild. He coaches top 6 teams and gets the extra cash in the hope of a premiership. He almost always leaves the club in a state of disrepair, and NEVER builds the junior base or feeder clubs, hence why every club he has been to, including the broncos when he leaves, is instantly on its knees because there is no structure.

Once again, the guy is a myth. Plain and simple.

Now do the same for Madge.

I dont have to. Everyones record is there to be seen. He has won comps with lesser money and with lesser teams. Anyone can judge the two, but consider facts and truth. Its subjective. Stats suck as 7 premierships and 60%+ win rate only tell part of a story and im not blinded by the myth.

Madge has won 1 NRL premiership with an absolutely stacked team, then was fired 2 years later with much the same team, then has inflicted his misery on the tigers for the past 2.5 years, taking a team one spot out of the finals to bottom feeders.