Its not all about the players

[Swordy]

It is all about the players

In 2.5 years the playing group has changed significantly, yet they’re playing the same. The only constant is the coach and management. They need to go.

No mate it’s the players. They are the ones who drop balls, throw forward passes, miss tackles. We just don’t have the cattle at the moment to compete. That is slowly changing. You only need to look to the lower grades to know.

I disagree Mike. We’ve chopped and changed players a lot since Madge has arrived but unfortunately it’s made no difference. His coaching methods are antiquated and simply don’t work for the modern game. Our team is an embarrassment and he’s a large reason for it. He’s had 2.5 years, he’s failed, time to try something different. It doesn’t matter who we sign, with him at the helm we’ll never move forward.

Our lower grades success, in my opinion, is all Hartigan.

Well we disagree. Until we have actual NRL grade players results won’t change. Gladly that is happening, just not as quickly as everyone would like.

Our team now is much better than teams in previous years, but he can’t coach. Cleary got a team that was half as talented to play to their abilities, because he’s a good coach. We will never play finals with Madge as coach.

It’s a bottom 4 NRL squad. That’s the issue.

We finished higher previously with lesser squads. The problem is, he can’t coach. You bring Flanagan or another credentialed coach with an understanding of the modern game and we improve overnight.

It wouldn’t matter who the coach was, it’s a dud squad. Even Bellamy wouldn’t do any better, he be moving players on just like we are slowly.

If that’s the case, why did he sign them? 28/30 are his signings or re-signings.

You could put the Australian team under him and they’d struggle. His style is no longer relevant to the modern game.

And who are the two who aren't his signings? Very large and convenient part of the conversation left out. Remember he only cut the 27th dead wood out this offseason.

85% of the salary cap is made up of players he signed/re-signed. Of the two he didn’t sign, Mbye was a really good player under Cleary, but Madge doesn’t know how to use him or how to coach him. Packer was also effective under Cleary. Madge just can’t coach, that’s the problem.

Of course the bloke can coach, that is a silly statement.
Again players seem to escape there responsibilities to perform with effort, commitment and skill.

He USED to be able to coach. He can’t adapt his style to the modern game or the players under him. He can’t coach anymore.

Maguire can't coach anymore and we have a squad that should be camped in the top eight - both statements as ridiculous as each other.

That’s your opinion, but the bloke is done as a coach. More people are realising this each week.

More "people" like frustrated fans. Every fan of every club travelling poorly thinks the coach can't coach. Six weeks ago Des Hasler was washed up as well - but then he got his superstar player back and happy days at Manly again. No doubt the knives are out for Ricky Stuart atm too. Maguire will only last so long we all know that but let's not pretend the squad is any more than it is.

Yeah but Madge has been here almost 2.5 years. The longer he’s here the worse it gets. I can’t imagine how bad we’ll be by the end of the year. Get rid of him now, **bring in Flanagan or Morris and you’d see immediate improvement.**

How could you possibly know that? sorry another silly statement.

Because they’re both eons better than Madge as a coach.

Be careful what you wish for.

Lol as if it could be worse. Madge is hopeless.

It could be worse. We could have Bennett.

Bennett is a million times the coach Madge is.

Bennett is a better coach?

This kids, is why we say no to drugs.

Lol are you kidding, you think Madge is a better coach than Bennett? Sorry mate but that is one of the most ridiculous things i've heard on this forum. You are looking at things in the most white, orange and black glasses ever made.

Bennett is one of the best coaches of all time. 7 premierships, >60% winning percentage and has missed the finals what, 3 times in 33 years of coaching? Madge isn't even in the top half of coaches in the NRL right now, in fact he's probably bottom 4.

Lets have a good look at Bennett now youve raised it.

Last comp 10 years ago, that was taking StGeorge from a top 4 team to winners when the board let the money loose,which they wouldnt do for the previous coach, but lets track this factually through time.

All his years at the Broncos, in one team town which was NRL contract legislated, and without a salary cap. All he managed was 6 out of 20 years. Sounds impressive and credit where its due,but he had UNLIMITED money and the best players. Probably should have won 15 comps!

Surprisingly not, once the 'clydesdales' were caught and shut down, thats right, the group of businessmen who funded the Bro cos under the table, he was out of there.

Off he goes to the dragons. Already a top 8 side with the promise from CEO Doust that money is no object. He wins 1 comp from 4 years. And withthemoney drying up and promises from a cashed up Newcastle....he is gone. Mind you,St George have not recovered since. FACT.

Welcome Nathan Tinkler. Minings pretend billionaire from the Hunter and along comes old Wayne. Well, Wayne couldnt even see out his contract because coincidentally,Tinklers bubble burst, money was gone, and Wayne was feeling homesick. Newcastle then suffered, like St George, the Bennett hangover with big stars on too much (and secret) money...and numerous wooden spoons since, they havenot recovered.

Back to Brisbane after the lure of a cash injection to the club, but it didnt materialise and he was out of there in quick time. Credit though, he made a GF and got beat. But, there is that Bennett hangover again, several coaches later....still suffering.

Off to Souths and multi millionaire owner Russell Crowe. Well, that has yielded duck eggand he didnt even ask to stay when it was clear that Rusty was sick of bleeding money and was going to become fiscally responsible. Those supercoach words "im outta here" have been heard again.

Lets talk coaching of England. Sacked because he was crap. Can win without money and cattle can you supercoach?

The guy is a myth. Obviously a good man manager and popular with the players cause he lets them do what they want. His early years in Brisbane prove that.
He has NEVER taken on a rebuild. He coaches top 6 teams and gets the extra cash in the hope of a premiership. He almost always leaves the club in a state of disrepair, and NEVER builds the junior base or feeder clubs, hence why every club he has been to, including the broncos when he leaves, is instantly on its knees because there is no structure.

Once again, the guy is a myth. Plain and simple.

Now do the same for Madge.

I dont have to. Everyones record is there to be seen. He has won comps with lesser money and with lesser teams. Anyone can judge the two, but consider facts and truth. Its subjective. Stats suck as 7 premierships and 60%+ win rate only tell part of a story and im not blinded by the myth.

Madge has won 1 NRL premiership with an absolutely stacked team, then was fired 2 years later with much the same team, then has inflicted his misery on the tigers for the past 2.5 years, taking a team one spot out of the finals to bottom feeders.

But to be fair, Maguire took Wigan from outside top 6 i think to win the comp first year, then won challenge cup the next year. He was alsoBellamys assistant at Melbourne for a few years before that in a succesful team. He is 30 years younger, so we mught be abke to judge results in 30 years from now.

I guess its a bit like comparing F1 DRIVER Lewis Hamilton with his colleagues. he has the best car in the best team, and no one else has that luxury. Although once last year, when his car was driven by an unknown kid in George Russell, he went just as well. Its a subjective argument. I wonder if Macguire had those same opportu ities with the same cash flow and same cattle, would we know for sure?

 

[avocadoontoast]

It is all about the players

In 2.5 years the playing group has changed significantly, yet they’re playing the same. The only constant is the coach and management. They need to go.

No mate it’s the players. They are the ones who drop balls, throw forward passes, miss tackles. We just don’t have the cattle at the moment to compete. That is slowly changing. You only need to look to the lower grades to know.

I disagree Mike. We’ve chopped and changed players a lot since Madge has arrived but unfortunately it’s made no difference. His coaching methods are antiquated and simply don’t work for the modern game. Our team is an embarrassment and he’s a large reason for it. He’s had 2.5 years, he’s failed, time to try something different. It doesn’t matter who we sign, with him at the helm we’ll never move forward.

Our lower grades success, in my opinion, is all Hartigan.

Well we disagree. Until we have actual NRL grade players results won’t change. Gladly that is happening, just not as quickly as everyone would like.

Our team now is much better than teams in previous years, but he can’t coach. Cleary got a team that was half as talented to play to their abilities, because he’s a good coach. We will never play finals with Madge as coach.

It’s a bottom 4 NRL squad. That’s the issue.

We finished higher previously with lesser squads. The problem is, he can’t coach. You bring Flanagan or another credentialed coach with an understanding of the modern game and we improve overnight.

It wouldn’t matter who the coach was, it’s a dud squad. Even Bellamy wouldn’t do any better, he be moving players on just like we are slowly.

If that’s the case, why did he sign them? 28/30 are his signings or re-signings.

You could put the Australian team under him and they’d struggle. His style is no longer relevant to the modern game.

And who are the two who aren't his signings? Very large and convenient part of the conversation left out. Remember he only cut the 27th dead wood out this offseason.

85% of the salary cap is made up of players he signed/re-signed. Of the two he didn’t sign, Mbye was a really good player under Cleary, but Madge doesn’t know how to use him or how to coach him. Packer was also effective under Cleary. Madge just can’t coach, that’s the problem.

Of course the bloke can coach, that is a silly statement.
Again players seem to escape there responsibilities to perform with effort, commitment and skill.

He USED to be able to coach. He can’t adapt his style to the modern game or the players under him. He can’t coach anymore.

Maguire can't coach anymore and we have a squad that should be camped in the top eight - both statements as ridiculous as each other.

That’s your opinion, but the bloke is done as a coach. More people are realising this each week.

More "people" like frustrated fans. Every fan of every club travelling poorly thinks the coach can't coach. Six weeks ago Des Hasler was washed up as well - but then he got his superstar player back and happy days at Manly again. No doubt the knives are out for Ricky Stuart atm too. Maguire will only last so long we all know that but let's not pretend the squad is any more than it is.

Yeah but Madge has been here almost 2.5 years. The longer he’s here the worse it gets. I can’t imagine how bad we’ll be by the end of the year. Get rid of him now, **bring in Flanagan or Morris and you’d see immediate improvement.**

How could you possibly know that? sorry another silly statement.

Because they’re both eons better than Madge as a coach.

Be careful what you wish for.

Lol as if it could be worse. Madge is hopeless.

It could be worse. We could have Bennett.

Bennett is a million times the coach Madge is.

Bennett is a better coach?

This kids, is why we say no to drugs.

Lol are you kidding, you think Madge is a better coach than Bennett? Sorry mate but that is one of the most ridiculous things i've heard on this forum. You are looking at things in the most white, orange and black glasses ever made.

Bennett is one of the best coaches of all time. 7 premierships, >60% winning percentage and has missed the finals what, 3 times in 33 years of coaching? Madge isn't even in the top half of coaches in the NRL right now, in fact he's probably bottom 4.

Lets have a good look at Bennett now youve raised it.

Last comp 10 years ago, that was taking StGeorge from a top 4 team to winners when the board let the money loose,which they wouldnt do for the previous coach, but lets track this factually through time.

All his years at the Broncos, in one team town which was NRL contract legislated, and without a salary cap. All he managed was 6 out of 20 years. Sounds impressive and credit where its due,but he had UNLIMITED money and the best players. Probably should have won 15 comps!

Surprisingly not, once the 'clydesdales' were caught and shut down, thats right, the group of businessmen who funded the Bro cos under the table, he was out of there.

Off he goes to the dragons. Already a top 8 side with the promise from CEO Doust that money is no object. He wins 1 comp from 4 years. And withthemoney drying up and promises from a cashed up Newcastle....he is gone. Mind you,St George have not recovered since. FACT.

Welcome Nathan Tinkler. Minings pretend billionaire from the Hunter and along comes old Wayne. Well, Wayne couldnt even see out his contract because coincidentally,Tinklers bubble burst, money was gone, and Wayne was feeling homesick. Newcastle then suffered, like St George, the Bennett hangover with big stars on too much (and secret) money...and numerous wooden spoons since, they havenot recovered.

Back to Brisbane after the lure of a cash injection to the club, but it didnt materialise and he was out of there in quick time. Credit though, he made a GF and got beat. But, there is that Bennett hangover again, several coaches later....still suffering.

Off to Souths and multi millionaire owner Russell Crowe. Well, that has yielded duck eggand he didnt even ask to stay when it was clear that Rusty was sick of bleeding money and was going to become fiscally responsible. Those supercoach words "im outta here" have been heard again.

Lets talk coaching of England. Sacked because he was crap. Can win without money and cattle can you supercoach?

The guy is a myth. Obviously a good man manager and popular with the players cause he lets them do what they want. His early years in Brisbane prove that.
He has NEVER taken on a rebuild. He coaches top 6 teams and gets the extra cash in the hope of a premiership. He almost always leaves the club in a state of disrepair, and NEVER builds the junior base or feeder clubs, hence why every club he has been to, including the broncos when he leaves, is instantly on its knees because there is no structure.

Once again, the guy is a myth. Plain and simple.

Now do the same for Madge.

I dont have to. Everyones record is there to be seen. He has won comps with lesser money and with lesser teams. Anyone can judge the two, but consider facts and truth. Its subjective. Stats suck as 7 premierships and 60%+ win rate only tell part of a story and im not blinded by the myth.

Madge has won 1 NRL premiership with an absolutely stacked team, then was fired 2 years later with much the same team, then has inflicted his misery on the tigers for the past 2.5 years, taking a team one spot out of the finals to bottom feeders.

But to be fair, Maguire took Wigan from outside top 6 i think to win the comp first year, then won challenge cup the next year. He was alsoBellamys assistant at Melbourne for a few years before that in a succesful team. He is 30 years younger, so we mught be abke to judge results in 30 years from now.

I guess its a bit like comparing F1 DRIVER Lewis Hamilton with his colleagues. he has the best car in the best team, and no one else has that luxury. Although once last year, when his car was driven by an unknown kid in George Russell, he went just as well. Its a subjective argument. I wonder if Macguire had those same opportu ities with the same cash flow and same cattle, would we know for sure?

Wigan came 6th the year before he joined, had been rebuilt by Brian Noble and finished the season wellZ

 

[Telltails]

It is all about the players

In 2.5 years the playing group has changed significantly, yet they’re playing the same. The only constant is the coach and management. They need to go.

No mate it’s the players. They are the ones who drop balls, throw forward passes, miss tackles. We just don’t have the cattle at the moment to compete. That is slowly changing. You only need to look to the lower grades to know.

I disagree Mike. We’ve chopped and changed players a lot since Madge has arrived but unfortunately it’s made no difference. His coaching methods are antiquated and simply don’t work for the modern game. Our team is an embarrassment and he’s a large reason for it. He’s had 2.5 years, he’s failed, time to try something different. It doesn’t matter who we sign, with him at the helm we’ll never move forward.

Our lower grades success, in my opinion, is all Hartigan.

Well we disagree. Until we have actual NRL grade players results won’t change. Gladly that is happening, just not as quickly as everyone would like.

Our team now is much better than teams in previous years, but he can’t coach. Cleary got a team that was half as talented to play to their abilities, because he’s a good coach. We will never play finals with Madge as coach.

It’s a bottom 4 NRL squad. That’s the issue.

We finished higher previously with lesser squads. The problem is, he can’t coach. You bring Flanagan or another credentialed coach with an understanding of the modern game and we improve overnight.

It wouldn’t matter who the coach was, it’s a dud squad. Even Bellamy wouldn’t do any better, he be moving players on just like we are slowly.

If that’s the case, why did he sign them? 28/30 are his signings or re-signings.

You could put the Australian team under him and they’d struggle. His style is no longer relevant to the modern game.

And who are the two who aren't his signings? Very large and convenient part of the conversation left out. Remember he only cut the 27th dead wood out this offseason.

85% of the salary cap is made up of players he signed/re-signed. Of the two he didn’t sign, Mbye was a really good player under Cleary, but Madge doesn’t know how to use him or how to coach him. Packer was also effective under Cleary. Madge just can’t coach, that’s the problem.

Of course the bloke can coach, that is a silly statement.
Again players seem to escape there responsibilities to perform with effort, commitment and skill.

He USED to be able to coach. He can’t adapt his style to the modern game or the players under him. He can’t coach anymore.

Maguire can't coach anymore and we have a squad that should be camped in the top eight - both statements as ridiculous as each other.

That’s your opinion, but the bloke is done as a coach. More people are realising this each week.

More "people" like frustrated fans. Every fan of every club travelling poorly thinks the coach can't coach. Six weeks ago Des Hasler was washed up as well - but then he got his superstar player back and happy days at Manly again. No doubt the knives are out for Ricky Stuart atm too. Maguire will only last so long we all know that but let's not pretend the squad is any more than it is.

Yeah but Madge has been here almost 2.5 years. The longer he’s here the worse it gets. I can’t imagine how bad we’ll be by the end of the year. Get rid of him now, **bring in Flanagan or Morris and you’d see immediate improvement.**

How could you possibly know that? sorry another silly statement.

Because they’re both eons better than Madge as a coach.

Be careful what you wish for.

Lol as if it could be worse. Madge is hopeless.

It could be worse. We could have Bennett.

Bennett is a million times the coach Madge is.

Bennett is a better coach?

This kids, is why we say no to drugs.

Lol are you kidding, you think Madge is a better coach than Bennett? Sorry mate but that is one of the most ridiculous things i've heard on this forum. You are looking at things in the most white, orange and black glasses ever made.

Bennett is one of the best coaches of all time. 7 premierships, >60% winning percentage and has missed the finals what, 3 times in 33 years of coaching? Madge isn't even in the top half of coaches in the NRL right now, in fact he's probably bottom 4.

Lets have a good look at Bennett now youve raised it.

Last comp 10 years ago, that was taking StGeorge from a top 4 team to winners when the board let the money loose,which they wouldnt do for the previous coach, but lets track this factually through time.

All his years at the Broncos, in one team town which was NRL contract legislated, and without a salary cap. All he managed was 6 out of 20 years. Sounds impressive and credit where its due, but he had UNLIMITED money and the best players. Probably should have won 15 comps!

Surprisingly not, once the 'clydesdales' were caught and shut down, thats right, the well known group of businessmen who funded the Broncos under the table, he was out of there.

Off he goes to the dragons. Already a top 8 side with the open and well publicised promise from CEO Doust that money is no object. He wins 1 comp from 4 years. And with the money drying up and promises from a cashed up Newcastle....he is gone. Mind you, St George have not recovered since. FACT.

Welcome Nathan Tinkler. Minings 'pretend' billionaire from the Hunter and along comes old Wayne. Well, Wayne couldnt even see out his contract because coincidentally,Tinklers bubble burst in a hurry, money was gone, and Wayne was feeling homesick?. Newcastle then suffered, like St George, the Bennett hangover with big stars on too much (and secret) money...and numerous wooden spoons since, they have not recovered. FACT

Back to Brisbane after the lure of a cash injection to the club, but it didnt materialise and he was out of there in quick time. Credit though, he made a GF and got beat. But, there is that Bennett hangover again, several coaches later....still suffering. FACT

Off to Souths and multi millionaire owner Russell Crowe. Well, that has yielded duck egg and he didnt even ask to stay when it was clear that Rusty was sick of bleeding money and was going to become fiscally responsible. The non signing of Reynolds and edict of no more long term contracts is evidence of that. Those supercoach words "im outta here" have been heard again.

Lets talk coaching of England. Sacked because he was crap. Cant win without money and cattle can you supercoach?

The guy is a myth. Obviously a good man manager and popular with the players cause he lets them do what they want. His early years in Brisbane prove that. Oh so many hidden stories....

He has NEVER taken on a rebuild. He coaches top 6 teams and gets the extra cash in the hope of a premiership. He almost always leaves the club in a state of disrepair, and NEVER builds the junior base or feeder clubs, hence why every club he has been to, including the broncos when he leaves, is instantly on its knees because there is no structure. Cant blame the next coaches after him,who have to rebuild the wreckage left.

Once again, the guy is a myth. Plain and simple.

Great post.

 

[rozelle_rudy]

If these sort of defensive issues continue surely Madge has to go.
Talau and Noffa would struggle to defend in NSW cup

Who plays wing though? He tried Cini and he had a decent debut followed by an awful second game. Hoffman? Judging my the flurry of signing speculation and meetings he's clearly not satisfied with the talent he has.

Kiah Cooper, named at 21 in this week's team.
Cini is a fullback really.

 

[jirskyr]

It is all about the players

In 2.5 years the playing group has changed significantly, yet they’re playing the same. The only constant is the coach and management. They need to go.

No mate it’s the players. They are the ones who drop balls, throw forward passes, miss tackles. We just don’t have the cattle at the moment to compete. That is slowly changing. You only need to look to the lower grades to know.

I disagree Mike. We’ve chopped and changed players a lot since Madge has arrived but unfortunately it’s made no difference. His coaching methods are antiquated and simply don’t work for the modern game. Our team is an embarrassment and he’s a large reason for it. He’s had 2.5 years, he’s failed, time to try something different. It doesn’t matter who we sign, with him at the helm we’ll never move forward.

Our lower grades success, in my opinion, is all Hartigan.

Well we disagree. Until we have actual NRL grade players results won’t change. Gladly that is happening, just not as quickly as everyone would like.

Our team now is much better than teams in previous years, but he can’t coach. Cleary got a team that was half as talented to play to their abilities, because he’s a good coach. We will never play finals with Madge as coach.

It’s a bottom 4 NRL squad. That’s the issue.

We finished higher previously with lesser squads. The problem is, he can’t coach. You bring Flanagan or another credentialed coach with an understanding of the modern game and we improve overnight.

It wouldn’t matter who the coach was, it’s a dud squad. Even Bellamy wouldn’t do any better, he be moving players on just like we are slowly.

If that’s the case, why did he sign them? 28/30 are his signings or re-signings.

You could put the Australian team under him and they’d struggle. His style is no longer relevant to the modern game.

And who are the two who aren't his signings? Very large and convenient part of the conversation left out. Remember he only cut the 27th dead wood out this offseason.

85% of the salary cap is made up of players he signed/re-signed. Of the two he didn’t sign, Mbye was a really good player under Cleary, but Madge doesn’t know how to use him or how to coach him. Packer was also effective under Cleary. Madge just can’t coach, that’s the problem.

Of course the bloke can coach, that is a silly statement.
Again players seem to escape there responsibilities to perform with effort, commitment and skill.

He USED to be able to coach. He can’t adapt his style to the modern game or the players under him. He can’t coach anymore.

Maguire can't coach anymore and we have a squad that should be camped in the top eight - both statements as ridiculous as each other.

That’s your opinion, but the bloke is done as a coach. More people are realising this each week.

More "people" like frustrated fans. Every fan of every club travelling poorly thinks the coach can't coach. Six weeks ago Des Hasler was washed up as well - but then he got his superstar player back and happy days at Manly again. No doubt the knives are out for Ricky Stuart atm too. Maguire will only last so long we all know that but let's not pretend the squad is any more than it is.

Yeah but Madge has been here almost 2.5 years. The longer he’s here the worse it gets. I can’t imagine how bad we’ll be by the end of the year. Get rid of him now, **bring in Flanagan or Morris and you’d see immediate improvement.**

How could you possibly know that? sorry another silly statement.

Because they’re both eons better than Madge as a coach.

Be careful what you wish for.

Lol as if it could be worse. Madge is hopeless.

It could be worse. We could have Bennett.

Bennett is a million times the coach Madge is.

Bennett is a better coach?

This kids, is why we say no to drugs.

Lol are you kidding, you think Madge is a better coach than Bennett? Sorry mate but that is one of the most ridiculous things i've heard on this forum. You are looking at things in the most white, orange and black glasses ever made.

Bennett is one of the best coaches of all time. 7 premierships, >60% winning percentage and has missed the finals what, 3 times in 33 years of coaching? Madge isn't even in the top half of coaches in the NRL right now, in fact he's probably bottom 4.

Lets have a good look at Bennett now youve raised it.

Last comp 10 years ago, that was taking StGeorge from a top 4 team to winners when the board let the money loose,which they wouldnt do for the previous coach, but lets track this factually through time.

All his years at the Broncos, in one team town which was NRL contract legislated, and without a salary cap. All he managed was 6 out of 20 years. Sounds impressive and credit where its due,but he had UNLIMITED money and the best players. Probably should have won 15 comps!

Surprisingly not, once the 'clydesdales' were caught and shut down, thats right, the group of businessmen who funded the Bro cos under the table, he was out of there.

Off he goes to the dragons. Already a top 8 side with the promise from CEO Doust that money is no object. He wins 1 comp from 4 years. And withthemoney drying up and promises from a cashed up Newcastle....he is gone. Mind you,St George have not recovered since. FACT.

Welcome Nathan Tinkler. Minings pretend billionaire from the Hunter and along comes old Wayne. Well, Wayne couldnt even see out his contract because coincidentally,Tinklers bubble burst, money was gone, and Wayne was feeling homesick. Newcastle then suffered, like St George, the Bennett hangover with big stars on too much (and secret) money...and numerous wooden spoons since, they havenot recovered.

Back to Brisbane after the lure of a cash injection to the club, but it didnt materialise and he was out of there in quick time. Credit though, he made a GF and got beat. But, there is that Bennett hangover again, several coaches later....still suffering.

Off to Souths and multi millionaire owner Russell Crowe. Well, that has yielded duck eggand he didnt even ask to stay when it was clear that Rusty was sick of bleeding money and was going to become fiscally responsible. Those supercoach words "im outta here" have been heard again.

Lets talk coaching of England. Sacked because he was crap. Can win without money and cattle can you supercoach?

The guy is a myth. Obviously a good man manager and popular with the players cause he lets them do what they want. His early years in Brisbane prove that.
He has NEVER taken on a rebuild. He coaches top 6 teams and gets the extra cash in the hope of a premiership. He almost always leaves the club in a state of disrepair, and NEVER builds the junior base or feeder clubs, hence why every club he has been to, including the broncos when he leaves, is instantly on its knees because there is no structure.

Once again, the guy is a myth. Plain and simple.

Now do the same for Madge.

I dont have to. Everyones record is there to be seen. He has won comps with lesser money and with lesser teams. Anyone can judge the two, but consider facts and truth. Its subjective. Stats suck as 7 premierships and 60%+ win rate only tell part of a story and im not blinded by the myth.

Madge has won 1 NRL premiership with an absolutely stacked team, then was fired 2 years later with much the same team, then has inflicted his misery on the tigers for the past 2.5 years, taking a team one spot out of the finals to bottom feeders.

Firstly Madge's premiership - you call it a stacked team. If it is indeed stacked, it's Madge who did the stacking, because he had them for 3 years at that point and never missed the finals, whereas the previous 20 years they only made the finals once. That is not the record of a stacked side, or a previously successful team that the coach swanned into. You can't use the 3rd-year roster as an argument *against* the coach, when it's a roster he built himself. Souths weren't a good side before he got there: Madge was responsible for them becoming a good side.

You talk about Bennett being a good coach, and I won't argue with you on that, but Bennett has less premierships in the last decade than Madge does. More finals yes, but Bennett hasn't been able to get the job done with rosters that are arguably "stacked" themselves.

Whilst Madge has not been successful at Tigers, no doubt, it's a very spurious argument that Madge is no good simply because he "has taken Tigers from one spot out of the finals to bottom". No finals is no finals, I don't believe in "grading" the margin by which you miss the finals as some kind of measure of sub-success.

By corollary to your argument, Jason Taylor must be a decent coach, because he took Tigers from 15th in his first year to 9th in his second, a result only bettered 3 times in our history?. The results were improving but JT never got the opportunity to see out the 3rd year.

That 9th-placed ceiling was entrenched at Wests well before Madge arrived, and it would be a mistake to suggest or assume that the next coach is going to "do one better" than 9th, when it's been proven in Tiger history that a 9th place has very little impact on the following season.

The only thing proven in the history of Tigers coaching is we are successful only when we let the coach have a decent tenure, in the realm of a ~5-year cycle. Tim Sheens, initial premiership notwithstanding, only got Tigers to the finals once in the first 7 seasons. But then he had us at the top in 2010-2011. Sheens was able to have us legitimately contesting for the premiership approx every 5 seasons, in a cycle of dropping out then rebuilding to a finals run.

In the Tigers 21-year history of completed seasons, Madge's year-end results rank at equal-4th (9th place) and equal-13th (11th place). Another coach has done worse than Madge 7/21 times (33%). Not great but actually right on average for the club (our season-end average is 10th)

Now that's not to say Wests are on an upward trend or to defend Madge's results, that's just to get perspective on how Madge is doing compared to all the other coaches we have ever had, and to look at a history of the clubs results in total, rather than a single coach in isolation.

 

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If these sort of defensive issues continue surely Madge has to go.
Talau and Noffa would struggle to defend in NSW cup

Who plays wing though? He tried Cini and he had a decent debut followed by an awful second game. Hoffman? Judging my the flurry of signing speculation and meetings he's clearly not satisfied with the talent he has.

Kiah Cooper, named at 21 in this week's team.
Cini is a fullback really.

Cini is a centre in I believe. This is his first year playing fullback