It's time to take the fight back to HBG

cktiger said:
No one plays the pokies anymore?
Trust me that is not true.
Wests Ashfield have close to 400 poker machines with plans to go over 500 soon
They would be rolling in money without even trying.
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Well it's no wonder they have no clue about running an NRL club. You can't increase the success of a football club by adding a pokie machine to the training facility. It must be their only move.
 
Far out, why does this always devolve into a magpies thing? There's no need guys. While I understand the bias on the board, which is a problem in itself purely on time wastage, it cheapens any message about needing skilled, connected and experienced operators at the helm.

It's incredibly dumb to devolve this into a magpies vs balmain thing. It will get us nowhere.
 
Chunk said:
That’s just people’s opinions about home grounds, this is different.

Why wouldn’t it work? Do you know or is this your own thoughts?

Has anyone ever discussed it with them? I imagine they have.

What was the outcome?
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It won't work AI says amongst other things

Ultimately, asking Macarthur Leagues to give more to the Wests Tigers is a legal and ethical impossibility. Every extra dollar given to the professional NRL team would mean stripping a dollar away from a Campbelltown charity, a local junior footy player, or essential community support services

And AI says that WA owns Macarthur Leagues anyway.

So the 'fight' basically means we need to be able to access more funds from HBG. How do you make this happen?
 
Chunk said:
It won't work AI says amongst other things

Ultimately, asking Macarthur Leagues to give more to the Wests Tigers is a legal and ethical impossibility. Every extra dollar given to the professional NRL team would mean stripping a dollar away from a Campbelltown charity, a local junior footy player, or essential community support services

And AI says that WA owns Macarthur Leagues anyway.

So the 'fight' basically means we need to be able to access more funds from HBG. How do you make this happen?
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The only way we can truly make it happen in a sustainable way, if they aren't willing to do it themselves, is to make the directors accountable. If they actually feared losing their position, they'd stack the board with people more capable than themselves and fund the bejezzus out of us. Otherwise theyd be removed.

The problem is. We can't do that. L&G probably could if they developed a backbone and crafted some legislation around these protectionist structures, but that's not going to happen either.
 
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hammertime said:
The only way we can truly make it happen in a sustainable way, if they aren't willing to do it themselves, is to make the directors accountable. If they actually feared losing their position, they'd stack the board with people more capable than themselves and fund the bejezzus out of us. Otherwise theyd be removed.

The problem is. We can't do that. L&G probably could if they developed a backbone and crafted some legislation around these protectionist structures, but that's not going to happen either.
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Yes definately, however, for some reason its not in their 'charter' they have no 'legal' obligation. Why though? Is this the debenture system or is it more?

AI says

But other Leagues club contibute more to their football clubs.

The reason powerhouse clubs like the Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs receive more leagues club funding than the Wests Tigers comes down to differing board control structures, severe geographical division of profits, and the unique financial burdens of a merged joint venture.

While the Canterbury League Club routinely pours millions into the Bulldogs NRL team, the Holman Barnes Group (HBG) operates under a completely different corporate reality:

1. Board Control: Direct Ties vs. Separation. The most critical difference between the two setups is who controls the purse strings:The Bulldogs Model: The Canterbury-Bankstown Football Club holds a guaranteed structural majority on the Canterbury League Club board (appointing four out of seven directors). Because the football side legally controls the commercial leagues club, they can easily vote to approve massive, multi-million-dollar annual grants straight to their NRL football program.

The Wests Tigers Model: The Wests Tigers football management has zero control over HBG's corporate board. HBG operates completely independently as a licensed hospitality group. Their primary corporate priority is running profitable hospitality venues, treating the Wests Tigers as an investment portfolio piece rather than their singular purpose. (We're screwed 😉)

Even though they have the debenture system, it seems they still would have different priorities compared to the Bulldogs?

So even if it was the Wests Magpies, just for example, they still wouldn't recieve the funding like the Bulldogs?
 
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Chunk said:
Yes definately, however, for some reason its not in their 'charter' they have no 'legal' obligation. Why though? Is this the debenture system or is it more?

AI says

But other Leagues club contibute more to their football clubs.

The reason powerhouse clubs like the Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs receive more leagues club funding than the Wests Tigers comes down to differing board control structures, severe geographical division of profits, and the unique financial burdens of a merged joint venture.

While the Canterbury League Club routinely pours millions into the Bulldogs NRL team, the Holman Barnes Group (HBG) operates under a completely different corporate reality:

1. Board Control: Direct Ties vs. Separation. The most critical difference between the two setups is who controls the purse strings:The Bulldogs Model: The Canterbury-Bankstown Football Club holds a guaranteed structural majority on the Canterbury League Club board (appointing four out of seven directors). Because the football side legally controls the commercial leagues club, they can easily vote to approve massive, multi-million-dollar annual grants straight to their NRL football program.

The Wests Tigers Model: The Wests Tigers football management has zero control over HBG's corporate board. HBG operates completely independently as a licensed hospitality group. Their primary corporate priority is running profitable hospitality venues, treating the Wests Tigers as an investment portfolio piece rather than their singular purpose. (We're screwed 😉)

Even though they have the debenture system, it seems they still would have different priorities compared to the Bulldogs?

So even if it was the Wests Magpies, just for example, they still wouldn't recieve the funding like the Bulldogs?
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Yeah, thats a fair pickup. I actually didn't know that. But with HBG as a controlling interest on both, they can still make the same call. I don't think all clubs are setup like the dogs.
 
Chunk said:
Yes definately, however, for some reason its not in their 'charter' they have no 'legal' obligation. Why though? Is this the debenture system or is it more?

AI says

But other Leagues club contibute more to their football clubs.

The reason powerhouse clubs like the Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs receive more leagues club funding than the Wests Tigers comes down to differing board control structures, severe geographical division of profits, and the unique financial burdens of a merged joint venture.

While the Canterbury League Club routinely pours millions into the Bulldogs NRL team, the Holman Barnes Group (HBG) operates under a completely different corporate reality:

1. Board Control: Direct Ties vs. Separation. The most critical difference between the two setups is who controls the purse strings:The Bulldogs Model: The Canterbury-Bankstown Football Club holds a guaranteed structural majority on the Canterbury League Club board (appointing four out of seven directors). Because the football side legally controls the commercial leagues club, they can easily vote to approve massive, multi-million-dollar annual grants straight to their NRL football program.

The Wests Tigers Model: The Wests Tigers football management has zero control over HBG's corporate board. HBG operates completely independently as a licensed hospitality group. Their primary corporate priority is running profitable hospitality venues, treating the Wests Tigers as an investment portfolio piece rather than their singular purpose. (We're screwed 😉)

Even though they have the debenture system, it seems they still would have different priorities compared to the Bulldogs?

So even if it was the Wests Magpies, just for example, they still wouldn't recieve the funding like the Bulldogs?
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No...even the Magpies (Lidcombe era) when I was a kid were severely underfunded by WA.
The leagues club treated the football club as an afterthought.
I wish my dad was still with us id love to talk to him more about it and learn more...all the Ashie locals treated the club with disdain despite being Magpies fans
 
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